Israel attacks Iran UPDATE: Trump claims a cease fire among all countries

[MDC 7,284]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Fair enough, but I think it goes deeper than that with Iran.  I don't want war anywhere either, but these m'fers have promised to kill every last one of us so taking advantage of an opportunity to remove them from power or disable/prevent their nuclear program from ever taking fruition is smart military strategy.  It was probably a tough call, but we've literally seen what 40 years of doing nothing did: Allowed Iran to build a nuclear program and continue to lie about it to the world.  This should have been done 40/30/20 years ago but now we have to deal with it.

You glossed over the part where the CIA couped their elected prime minister, backed a dictator for 25 years, armed Saddam Hussein against Iran, etc.

Maybe we’re no good at this sort of thing.  

[Gepetto 1,349]

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-38.pdf link is the reasons Israel and US took out Iran nuclear facilities 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK two parts to your post. 
 

1. First off your assumptions are wrong. Gabbard has access to ALL US intelligence and her job is to collate it and report to the President. The reporting is that Trump, in the last few days ignored her and the entire intelligence community. He’s not listening to anyone. He may be listening to Israeli intelligence. Who knows? But It is incorrect of you to assume that he’s listening to American intelligence sources contradicting Gabbard because that doesn’t exist (unless she’s making up sh!t; I do question her competence.) 

2. I don’t know. They have a nuclear enrichment program, I don’t know if they were close to nuclear weapons. @jerryskids has argued that the nuclear enrichment in itself may be an unacceptable risk and I can buy into that argument though unless they were very close I question the urgency. 
 

To conclude: I don’t know where Trump is getting his info. Maybe he will answer that when he addresses the nation shortly, Maybe he will provide exact evidence of nuclear weapons that were imminent. If he does I will be satisfied. But if he gives his typical vague “hey they were close OK? Trust me on this” bullsh!t then I won’t be satisfied and I suspect most people outside of the cheering squad won’t be satisfied. 

Talk about assumptions. 

You LITERALLY have no idea what has been going on in the War Room or in the briefings.  You are literally guessing and passing that off as fact.  I'm sure Obama agreed with EVERY one of his advisors and never had a differing opinion.

[Ron_Artest 1,326]

22 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't want a war.  And we don't have a war yet.  Nor do I think we will.

This isn't going to help.  Wait until netanyahu gets him to invade.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,254]

Libtards upset they can’t use their silly taco thing anymore.  Haha ! 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,254]

It’s very important that the Islamic world sees who has the true strength.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

You glossed over the part where the CIA couped their elected prime minister, backed a dictator for 25 years, armed Saddam Hussein against Iran, etc.

Maybe we’re no good at this sort of thing.  

Yeah, sure.  You're right, were not good at this subterfuge thing - hence the bombs.   At this point, I'm convinced (it's early) it's simply to stop the nuclear program.

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

Tim Kaine is misguided in his criticism of Trump for “starting a new war in the Middle East”. 
A single strike or set of air strikes is not a war. It could lead to a war depending on how Iran reacts, how we react to their reaction, etc. But I think that @EternalShinyAndChrome is right (about this part anyhow): Trump doesn’t want a war, he wanted a “get in get out strike” with no repercussions. Let’s hope that’s what he gets. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Tim Kaine is misguided in his criticism of Trump for “starting a new war in the Middle East”. 
A single strike or set of air strikes is not a war. It could lead to a war depending on how Iran reacts, how we react to their reaction, etc. But I think that @EternalShinyAndChrome is right (about this part anyhow): Trump doesn’t want a war, he wanted a “get in get out strike” with no repercussions. Let’s hope that’s what he gets. 

100% EternalShinyAndChrome approved. 

[Strike 5,412]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s very important that the Islamic world sees who has the true strength.  

Forget the Islamic world.  Notice how no other countries in that region have complained about what Israel has been doing in Iran?  They are fine with it.  This isn't going to escalate.  No one else is on Iran's side.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

Just now, Strike said:

Forget the Islamic world.  Notice how no other countries in that region have complained about what Israel has been doing in Iran?  They are fine with it.  This isn't going to escalate.  No one else is on Iran's side.

Why is that?

[Ron_Artest 1,326]

Magas love war.  Trump is desperate.

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

100% EternalShinyAndChrome approved. 

Peace brother. We may disagree about how Trump got to this point, about his overall competence, and about 99.99% of everything else. But we need Trump to be right about this decision and about his assumption that he can keep this a limited action. 

[BrahmaBulls 655]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK two parts to your post. 
 

1. First off your assumptions are wrong. Gabbard has access to ALL US intelligence and her job is to collate it and report to the President. The reporting is that Trump, in the last few days ignored her and the entire intelligence community. He’s not listening to anyone. He may be listening to Israeli intelligence. Who knows? But It is incorrect of you to assume that he’s listening to American intelligence sources contradicting Gabbard because that doesn’t exist (unless she’s making up sh!t; I do question her competence.) 

2. I don’t know. They have a nuclear enrichment program, I don’t know if they were close to nuclear weapons. @jerryskids has argued that the nuclear enrichment in itself may be an unacceptable risk and I can buy into that argument though unless they were very close I question the urgency. 
 

To conclude: I don’t know where Trump is getting his info. Maybe he will answer that when he addresses the nation shortly, Maybe he will provide exact evidence of nuclear weapons that were imminent. If he does I will be satisfied. But if he gives his typical vague “hey they were close OK? Trust me on this” bullsh!t then I won’t be satisfied and I suspect most people outside of the cheering squad won’t be satisfied. 

You think he bombed Iran because a fortune cookie told him to and not his IC?  

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Just now, BrahmaBulls said:

You think he bombed Iran because a fortune cookie told him to and not his IC?  

This is about as likely as anything else that occurred. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You think he bombed Iran because a fortune cookie told him to and not his IC?  

Okay, I laughed so hard I farted when I read this.  

[BrahmaBulls 655]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

This is about as likely as anything else that occurred. 

Probably the most honest post you've ever made.  Thanks for proving you're.a biased dunce I guess.

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

No one else is on Iran's side.

On paper both Russia and China is. China in particular gets most of their oil from Iran. But so long as that’s not interfered with, hopefully they will stay disinterested. 

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1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Probably the most honest post you've ever made.  Thanks for proving you're.a biased dunce I guess.

Dude all I can surmise is here is that you’re either delusional or not paying attention. But let me put it simply for you: Trump doesn’t listen to advisors. He is whimsical and incompetent, that is a big part of the reason I did not want him as President. In this situation he may have made the right choice (who knows?) because he was limited to a couple of choices. But he’s basically throwing darts. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

On paper both Russia and China is. China in particular gets most of their oil from Iran. But so long as that’s not interfered with, hopefully they will stay disinterested. 

Those countries may be allies with Iran on paper but there are reasons neither will get involved.  Google if you want to cure your ignorance for once.

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Dude all I can surmise is here is that you’re either delusional or not paying attention. But let me put it simply for you: Trump doesn’t listen to advisors. He is whimsical and incompetent, that is a big part of the reason I did not want him as President. In this situation he may have made the right choice (who knows?) because he was limited to a couple of choices. But he’s basically throwing darts. 

Dude was on the shitter tonight, flipped a coin, and it came up bomb dem MoFo's and here we are?   Listen to yourself.

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2 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Dude was on the shitter tonight, flipped a coin, and it came up bomb dem MoFo's and here we are?   Listen to yourself.

As likely as anything else, that’s the guy you voted for. 

[Strike 5,412]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

As likely as anything else, that’s the guy you voted for. 

Except he would have needed to be preparing for this for at least a day or two.

[Strike 5,412]

President addressing the country right now.

[Maximum Overkill 1,907]

I told you dumb shizz! Trump is playing chess you stupid asss Pedocrats are playing Candyland. I told you, he's playing you!!!! 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

As likely as anything else, that’s the guy you voted for. 

I did vote for this.  Iran doesn't need nukes.

[Strike 5,412]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I told dumb shizz! Trump is playing chess you stupid asss Pedocrats are playing Candyland. I told you, he's playing you!!!! 

Candyland.

[Strike 5,412]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

President addressing the country right now.

Quick and to the point. 

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4 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

 Iran doesn't need nukes.

On this if nothing else we can agree. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

On this if nothing else we can agree. 

See how easy that was? 

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

Well I thought he would offer at least SOME indication that Iran was close to a nuclear weapon. Nothing. A vague, awful cheerleading speech. Pretty pathetic. 

Still, what else can we do but hope he’s right? 

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On 6/19/2025 at 2:16 PM, Ron_Artest said:

Two weeks

That's actually good news, that means it's taco time.  Good news if you're anti-war

    

update?

[thegeneral 3,117]

If there is any attack on any US interest. Then what?

[HellToupee 1,705]

On 6/19/2025 at 2:51 PM, Ron_Artest said:

For Jerry this is from 2017...

https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/trumps-timeline-always-two-weeks-1513302785

He also just said that he would decide on sanctions for Russia in 2 weeks.  That was a month ago, no decision.

2 weeks is his crutch.

 

 

    

update?

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

The other thing is he said “this is a complete and TOTAL success.” Trump is infamous for exaggeration and this sort of language. But it’s a dangerous claim to make. 

[Engorgeous George 2,281]

I poresume impeachgment resolutions are being drawn up even as we speak.

 

I believe the timeline in this matter may have been impacted by domestic politics.  The opposition party had threatened resolutions and lawsuits to deny Trump the power to make this decision.  Before those matters came to fruition Trump decided to act.

 

The Senate now has a reason to take up matters other than Trump's Big Beautiful bill.

 

I wonder how visible the landscape change is from space.  Will we be seeing non-classified civilian photos comparing the sites before and after?

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The other thing is he said “this is a complete and TOTAL success.” Trump is infamous for exaggeration and this sort of language. But it’s a dangerous claim to make. 

Considering one bomb was thought to msaybe be able to do the job, and two bombs were thought to provide assurance in case one was insufficient, I suspect 6 bombs dug quite the hole.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Except that it’s certainly troubling that Trump rejected what our intelligence forces was telling him. So who knows? 

Not you,  not me. Thats for sure

[HellToupee 1,705]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If there is any attack on any US interest. Then what?

They’ll get the Soleimani treatment 

[Maximum Overkill 1,907]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If there is any attack on any US interest. Then what?

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