Israel attacks Iran UPDATE: Trump claims a cease fire among all countries

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Closing the Strait of Hormuz isn’t “some pain”. It would be a terrible thing for us (but arguably worse for Iran so hopefully they won’t.) 

Tim, this is geopolitical politics.  What do you think happens with this stuff?  

I mean, c'mon already. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Obviously we don't know what they will do but you do understand that if they close the Strait of Hormuz that is not some "some pain." That will cause very deep ripples into the world economy which will directly impact America. 

Okay, but if the threat is that the US can't ever do anything because it might be hard, then we'd never do anything.   But I bet dollars to donuts if Biden/Obama did this you wouldn't say a f'n word.

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Tim, this is geopolitical politics.  What do you think happens with this stuff?  

I mean, c'mon already. 

I don’t understand your point here. 
 

If they close Hormuz we would likely have to send our navy in to open it up. Meanwhile the price of oil goes through the roof and the stock market crashes. It would be 1973 x10 (look it up if you don’t know about 1973.) Do you get this at all? 

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Okay, but if the threat is that the US can't ever do anything because it might be hard, then we'd never do anything.   But I bet dollars to donuts if Biden/Obama did this you wouldn't say a f'n word.

The reason that Biden and Obama (and Bush and Trump in his first term and Clinton) didn’t attack Iran is because they were worried about this EXACT threat- closing Hormuz. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

The reason that Biden and Obama (and Bush and Trump in his first term and Clinton) didn’t attack Iran is because they were worried about this EXACT threat- closing Hormuz. 

B and S.  Sorry, Tim. That's just wish-casting.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t understand your point here. 
 

If they close Hormuz we would likely have to send our navy in to open it up. Meanwhile the price of oil goes through the roof and the stock market crashes. It would be 1973 x10 (look it up if you don’t know about 1973.) Do you get this at all? 

Again, the US can't ever do anything because it might be hard, painful or the slightest bit uncomfortable.  I'm not buying that argument and that should never be a reason to NOT defend yourself, your allies or the world.  Iran is a state sponsor of terror.  If they close Hormuz it will be a LOT more painful for them.  Might even expedite their destruction, which would be a GOOD thing.  Short term pain for long term gain.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Again, the US can't ever do anything because it might be hard, painful or the slightest bit uncomfortable.  I'm not buying that argument and that should never be a reason to NOT defend yourself, your allies or the world.  Iran is a state sponsor of terror.  If they close Hormuz it will be a LOT more painful for them.  Might even expedite their destruction, which would be a GOOD thing.  Short term pain for long term gain.

 

It’s done now anyhow. 

[Strike 5,412]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

B and S.  Sorry, Tim. That's just wish-casting.

Tim always finds some sky is falling scenario to blame on Trump before anything bad even happens.  Remember he promised us that tariffs were going to destroy our economy six months ago.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Tim always finds some sky is falling scenario to blame on Trump before anything bad even happens.  Remember he promised us that tariffs were going to destroy our economy six months ago.

I do remember that and have seen my 401K grow like gangbusters since then. 

[Ron_Artest 1,326]

Mission accomplished?

[Ron_Artest 1,326]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Tim always finds some sky is falling scenario to blame on Trump before anything bad even happens.  Remember he promised us that tariffs were going to destroy our economy six months ago.

That's because he paused the tariffs

So dishonest 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

12 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Okay, but if the threat is that the US can't ever do anything because it might be hard, then we'd never do anything.   But I bet dollars to donuts if Biden/Obama did this you wouldn't say a f'n word.

A decision with many bad potential consequences is not a great decision regardless of who does it.

But I bet dollars to donuts if Biden/Obama did this you would be on here parroting everything the left is saying towards Trump right now. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

A decision with many bad potential consequences is not a great decision regardless of who does it.

But I bet dollars to donuts if Biden/Obama did this you would be on here parroting everything the left is saying towards Trump right now. 

Nope.  I've said previously that Iran (and Afghanistan) is a bad actor and should be taken out.  I even supported Obama when he took out Al-Akwari, ILLEGALLY.  

So, nice try, but there is only ONE of us here between us that is consistent in his position, and that person is me. 

[Strike 5,412]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

That's because he paused the tariffs

So dishonest 

He has paused some tariffs and reduced some others but many of them are still in effect.  And many of the reductions are because he made deals with those countries. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,254]

lol. Shitlibs didn’t mind when oil skyrocketed under Biden. 

[thegeneral 3,117]

6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I do remember that and have seen my 401K grow like gangbusters since then. 

Back to where it started before the genius tariff plan was put in place!

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

lol. Shitlibs didn’t mind when oil skyrocketed under Biden. 

Yep.  Not a single word about "OMG!  END OF THE WORLD!! SO MUCH PAIN!!".

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

16 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Again, the US can't ever do anything because it might be hard, painful or the slightest bit uncomfortable.  I'm not buying that argument and that should never be a reason to NOT defend yourself, your allies or the world.  Iran is a state sponsor of terror.  If they close Hormuz it will be a LOT more painful for them.  Might even expedite their destruction, which would be a GOOD thing.  Short term pain for long term gain.

 

I'll only speak for me- I don't think the US should avoid doing anything because it might cause pain. However, I do think the US needs to assess short term and long term goals. They need to discuss long ranging aspects of fallout from this. They also need to make sure they have exhausted everything they can up to the point of an attack like this. I've said before (in this thread even)- I am all for the stay out of this sh!t way of thinking. Iran is shitty. Israel is shitty. Let them bomb each other apart and step in when we need to in order to play mediator and keep our American economy and interests rolling. The jury is still long out on this to know whether it was effective or not in what it was aiming for. But Trump implicitly took a side 10 days ago and last night explicitly picked a side. He put us on the war pathway. 

But the US right now has inflation still way to high. Have tariffs hanging over our heads which raise the prices of things. And now we took action that very well could close off an avenue where a third of the world's oil runs through. That will hammer everything. I won't go full chicken little and say "1973 X 10" but there are a lot fo outcomes that could spin in some semblance of that direction. 

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18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t understand your point here. 
 

If they close Hormuz we would likely have to send our navy in to open it up. Meanwhile the price of oil goes through the roof and the stock market crashes. It would be 1973 x10 (look it up if you don’t know about 1973.) Do you get this at all? 

What would you have done?

[Strike 5,412]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Back to where it started before the genius tariff plan was put in place!

So did the economy crash like Tim said it would?

[thegeneral 3,117]

Just now, Strike said:

So did the economy crash like Tim said it would?

Not yet! 

I wouldn’t be super pumped about the Trump stock market thus far is the point

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yep.  Not a single word about "OMG!  END OF THE WORLD!! SO MUCH PAIN!!".

Ah but see- I said a President here can't necessarily control what is going on in the world...and again in this very thread I reiterated that on Thursday taking the blame on oil prices being up off of Trump.

 

So I'm consistent. 

[Strike 5,412]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Not yet! 

I wouldn’t be super pumped about the Trump stock market thus far is the point

I didn't say I was.  The whole point of the discussion was that Tim goes all Chicken Little all the time and then when it doesn't come to fruition he pretends he didn't say it.  Now we got Mooney up here saying the inflation rate is still way too high.  Certainly it's not exactly where we want it to be but saying it's still way too high is pretty pathetic at this point in time.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

7 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Nope.  I've said previously that Iran (and Afghanistan) is a bad actor and should be taken out.  I even supported Obama when he took out Al-Akwari, ILLEGALLY.  

So, nice try, but there is only ONE of us here between us that is consistent in his position, and that person is me. 

Is this where I'm supposed to ask for proof of that?

If you did- fine. But none of your reactions to Biden indicate you'd have been levelheaded about it in any way. Maybe you would've only said "glory hole" 3 times. 

And my position is consistent 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

Just now, Strike said:

I didn't say I was.  The whole point of the discussion was that Tim goes all Chicken Little all the time and then when it doesn't come to fruition he pretends he didn't say it.  Now we got Mooney up here saying the inflation rate is still way too high.  Certainly it's not exactly where we want it to be but saying it's still way too high is pretty pathetic at this point in time.

Is it not?

Do you think there is a 0% chance it doesn't rise because of some of the fallout that might be coming. 

[Strike 5,412]

All libs in here saying that Iran is going to shut the Strait of Hormuz.  They can't even control their own airspace.  How about we wait and see if they're capable of actually doing it before we go all Chicken Little again.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

All libs in here saying that Iran is going to shut the Strait of Hormuz.  They can't even control their own airspace.  How about we wait and see if they're capable of actually doing it before we go all Chicken Little again.

I am an independent but you will note I've used "if" throughout this. 

[Strike 5,412]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

I am an independent but you will note I've used "if" throughout this. 

You're not an independent. 

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41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They haven’t done it yet, they’ve voted to do it but it’s up to the Supreme Commander (Khameini.) 

Hegseth says he’s confident they won’t because of China. But it’s what I was concerned about all along. Let’s hope Hegseth is right for once. 

Unfortunately we can't stop them from making a wrong decision that hurts us and likely ends their regime.  But the fact that we are even contemplating they could take that action now, gives support to why you can't allow them to have nuclear weapons.  They are zealots and don't always act rationally.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'll only speak for me- I don't think the US should avoid doing anything because it might cause pain. However, I do think the US needs to assess short term and long term goals. They need to discuss long ranging aspects of fallout from this. They also need to make sure they have exhausted everything they can up to the point of an attack like this. I've said before (in this thread even)- I am all for the stay out of this sh!t way of thinking. Iran is shitty. Israel is shitty. Let them bomb each other apart and step in when we need to in order to play mediator and keep our American economy and interests rolling. The jury is still long out on this to know whether it was effective or not in what it was aiming for. But Trump implicitly took a side 10 days ago and last night explicitly picked a side. He put us on the war pathway. 

But the US right now has inflation still way to high. Have tariffs hanging over our heads which raise the prices of things. And now we took action that very well could close off an avenue where a third of the world's oil runs through. That will hammer everything. I won't go full chicken little and say "1973 X 10" but there are a lot fo outcomes that could spin in some semblance of that direction. 

And you don't think they did any of that?  They just flipped a coin yesterday afternoon and sent the planes in?  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,026]

11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Is this where I'm supposed to ask for proof of that?

If you did- fine. But none of your reactions to Biden indicate you'd have been levelheaded about it in any way. Maybe you would've only said "glory hole" 3 times. 

And my position is consistent 

My reaction to Biden?  Huh?  You're out on the reservation now.  My problems with Biden are that he wasn't running the country.  I certainly would have backed dropping bombs on Iran's nuclear program if he had done it - but he never would have.  He, or more importantly the cabal actually running the country, would have sent them pallets of cash, like I said. 

And i have said numerous times I supported Obama's strike on Al-Awaki.  

[Ron_Artest 1,326]

17 minutes ago, Strike said:

He has paused some tariffs and reduced some others but many of them are still in effect.  And many of the reductions are because he made deals with those countries. 

He only made 1 deal, and that's the UK who is a small trading partner anyway.

So dishonest.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

17 minutes ago, Strike said:

You're not an independent. 

That's a lie from you but I expect that from the MAGA mooks on here.

But you also didn't address any of my questions

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

16 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

And you don't think they did any of that?  They just flipped a coin yesterday afternoon and sent the planes in?  

That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying that dropping bombs should've been the absolute last thing we do because we are getting involved the minute we do.

We weren't at a point where bomb dropping was needed yet. You know this. 

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

The Right: Trump is going to liberate us from foreign conflicts. Murica First!

Also the Right: Whatever Daddy Trump wants is fine by me!  

Yes

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Informative graphic.  Click to see entire thing including who sends how much oil through there.  Also, it looks like the shipping lanes are actually in Omani waters.

 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t understand your point here. 
 

If they close Hormuz we would likely have to send our navy in to open it up. Meanwhile the price of oil goes through the roof and the stock market crashes. It would be 1973 x10 (look it up if you don’t know about 1973.) Do you get this at all? 

We should let them keep building nukes then.  Good point.

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

“Oy vey” is a Yiddish term, from Eastern European Jews. It’s not really related to Israel, whose national language is Hebrew. Yiddish is pretty much a dead language except among Hasidic Jews in New York. When you relate it to actions connected to Israel you come close to anti-Semitic tropes. I’m not suggesting you’re anti-Semitic like @Cdub100 is; just figure you were unaware. 

Yiddish was not uncommon in Milwaukee in the early 60's.  I can't speak for now.

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