Trump rigging midterms

[TimHauck 3,108]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's like you didn't read the article.  Not a serious poster.

Congrats on successfully moving the goalposts 

[5-Points 3,683]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course it’s legal. The voters of California are going to decide whether or not to change the rules. If they decide to do so it’s perfectly legal. Texas refuses to let their voters decide. 
 

And as I mentioned Texas is violating the Voters Rights Act as traditionally understood,  

Yet you have no problem with CA violating the 2A as traditionally understood. 

Hypocrite much? 

ETA: we already voted on it. Now he wants to change it. Like he always does. Ignore the will of the voters. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,301]

Just now, 5-Points said:

Yet you have no problem with CA violating the 2A as traditionally understood. 

Hypocrite much? 

Weird how that works.  It's almost as if Hypocrisy is a plank in the liberal platform.

[TimHauck 3,108]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Sure.  You're a jew too!!!!!  

I am.  Shalom.

[5-Points 3,683]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Weird how that works.  It's almost as if Hypocrisy is a plank in the liberal platform.

It's the founding principle. 

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[Ron_Artest 1,841]

How could anyone support the political elites removing the votes of constituents?  Maga has completely lost their minds.  You guys are sheep.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

How could anyone support the political elites removing the votes of constituents?  Maga has completely lost their minds.  You guys are sheep.

People don’t get to vote now?

[Ron_Artest 1,841]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

People don’t get to vote now?

Their votes don't count now.

This is like saying that Russians get to vote so there is no problem.

[Ron_Artest 1,841]

Of course tardcore defends this.  He'll defend anything trump does.  Cover up child trafficking, give money to the elites, corruption, he loves all of it now.  Used to care about the little guy, not anymore.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

14 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Their votes don't count now.

This is like saying that Russians get to vote so there is no problem.

 But they get to vote. And it counts. What are you talking about? 

[jonnyutah 419]

27 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

People don’t get to vote now?

I wish! But sadly that isnt the deal here. 

[Ron_Artest 1,841]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 But they get to vote. And it counts. What are you talking about? 

It's hard to tell with you, but you are just playing stupid here.  Your previous defense of this was that the Democrats did this in Northeast states.  Now you're trying the "it's not a big deal" defense.  However it is a big deal as the attempt is to keep the house republican to avoid impeachment.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's hard to tell with you, but you are just playing stupid here.  Your previous defense of this was that the Democrats did this in Northeast states.  Now you're trying the "it's not a big deal" defense.  However it is a big deal as the attempt is to keep the house republican to avoid impeachment.

I haven’t defended it. I’m just pointing out that unlike you and Tim have claimed,  no one is loosing their right to vote or have it not counted. Fact. So stop lying. 

[Strike 5,829]

Multiple red states joining the redistricting war.  Good job Gavin!!!  

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I would rather all the gerrymandering be unwound, but given that is not likely I get why Republicans see their best move being to copy Democrats and seek to offset their gerrymandering.

[squistion 2,364]

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/21/poll-democrats-california-texas-trump-gerrymander-00517098

National poll: Majority of Democrats back California’s effort to counter Texas despite claims of hating gerrymandering

Democratic voters loathe partisan redistricting, but support California doing it to counter Texas, according to a new national poll on Gavin Newsom’s high-stakes gerrymander.

The POLITICO-UC Berkeley Citrin Center survey conducted by TrueDot found that 70 percent of Democrats believe gerrymandering is “never acceptable.” But a strong majority of Democratic voters across the country think California Democrats should “fight back” and create more favorable House districts if Texas Republicans do, embracing the exact idea likely to go before California voters.

“The real divide isn’t about whether it’s fair,” said Jon Cohen, founder and CEO of TrueDot. “The real divide is whether to fight fire with fire or hold the line on principle.” 

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[Ron_Artest 1,841]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I haven’t defended it. I’m just pointing out that unlike you and Tim have claimed,  no one is loosing their right to vote or have it not counted. Fact. So stop lying. 

You clearly don't understand gerrymandering 

[Ron_Artest 1,841]

Democrats tried to stop gerrymandering twice the last 5 years.  Republicans opposed. Here we are.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

You clearly don't understand gerrymandering 

I clearly do. You continue to claim that voters rights are being denied. That’s  a lie. Besides, it’s ok with you if some peoples votes don’t count

[jonnyutah 419]

6 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/21/poll-democrats-california-texas-trump-gerrymander-00517098

National poll: Majority of Democrats back California’s effort to counter Texas despite claims of hating gerrymandering

Democratic voters loathe partisan redistricting, but support California doing it to counter Texas, according to a new national poll on Gavin Newsom’s high-stakes gerrymander.

The POLITICO-UC Berkeley Citrin Center survey conducted by TrueDot found that 70 percent of Democrats believe gerrymandering is “never acceptable.” But a strong majority of Democratic voters across the country think California Democrats should “fight back” and create more favorable House districts if Texas Republicans do, embracing the exact idea likely to go before California voters.

“The real divide isn’t about whether it’s fair,” said Jon Cohen, founder and CEO of TrueDot. “The real divide is whether to fight fire with fire or hold the line on principle.” 

[...]

Omg, we hate this thing that we have done. But i guess we just have to do it again because...republicans. 

Lol. You are all so delisional i bet you have convinced yourselves you are against gerrymandering. 

[Ron_Artest 1,841]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I clearly do. You continue to claim that voters rights are being denied. That’s  a lie. Besides, it’s ok with you if some peoples votes don’t count

You clearly don't.  But you're gonna defend the pedo child trafficker who wants to avoid impeachment, I get it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

You clearly don't.  But you're gonna defend the pedo child trafficker who wants to avoid impeachment, I get it.

How are people’s right to vote being denied? And if they are, damn near every blue state is guilty. But they aren’t. They are manipulating the process. Say what it is, no need to lie. 

[Ron_Artest 1,841]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How are people’s right to vote being denied? And if they are, damn near every blue state is guilty. But they aren’t. They are manipulating the process. Say what it is, no need to lie. 

2024: me and people in my district vote to elect a Democrat.

2026: the same people vote for a Democrat but since more Republicans were added, they now lose.  My vote doesn't count anymore.

Call it whatever you want, it's wrong

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

57 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

2024: me and people in my district vote to elect a Democrat.

2026: the same people vote for a Democrat but since more Republicans were added, they now lose.  My vote doesn't count anymore.

Call it whatever you want, it's wrong

It’s the system. And I never defended it. I don’t like it either. Gerrymandering should only happen when there is a shift in population. That’s it. And just because your candidate loses that doesn’t mean your vote didn’t count. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Now in the case of voter fraud, that does render some people’s votes meaningless. But you don’t seem concerned about that. Chump. 

[The Real timschochet 7,091]

This is going to backfire on Republicans in a big way. And yes Republicans are absolutely the guilty party here and the public will see that. 

[Strike 5,829]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is going to backfire on Republicans in a big way. And yes Republicans are absolutely the guilty party here and the public will see that. 

Sure.  Multiple red states joining the redistricting war.  Thanks Gavin!!!

[The Real timschochet 7,091]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

Sure.  Multiple red states joining the redistricting war.  Thanks Gavin!!!

Gavin didn’t start this, Trump and Texas did. Gavin has no choice. He’s the good guy in this fight. 

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[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

Are there many African- Americans left in California? 

[Horseman 2,674]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

My vote doesn't count anymore.

Good. Low IQ people shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.  

[Strike 5,829]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Gavin didn’t start this, Trump and Texas did. Gavin has no choice. He’s the good guy in this fight. 

Of course he has a choice.  But that's ok.   Other Red states are joining in.  The Dems will lose in the end.  Good job Gavin!!!!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

Missouri is in the fight. Bringing a knife to a gun fight. Nice job Gavin. 

[Ron_Artest 1,841]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Good. Low IQ people shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.  

I'm good with this. If this happened trump never gets elected.

[cmh6476 1,052]

https://x.com/MissouriSenate/status/1966570945704775948

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14 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

https://x.com/MissouriSenate/status/1966570945704775948

You're not one of the political junkie wackadoodles like many of us. What do you think about this?

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On 8/21/2025 at 3:45 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Are there many African- Americans left in California? 

The only black Republicans in the House all represent majority white districts. There are no black Republicans representing majority black districts. Not from Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, NY, CA, MO. None. Seems like ALL the black people suddenly live in blue states. Meanwhile, majority Hispanic districts, which have recently started swinging red, have numerous Republican representatives, including newly created districts in TX.

What a coincidence!

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2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

You're not one of the political junkie wackadoodles like many of us. What do you think about this?

I guess I don't mind if it ends up like it probably will, but why not just do it after the 2030 census like it's scheduled to be done.   

I've seen the inside baseball of this happen when I did work in politics after the 2010 census.   There's a lot of back and forth trading as elected officials try to get what they want from redistricting.   The process in general feels icky, but how else is it supposed to get done?

The reality is at best missouri guess from 6-2 to 7-1 as the district with KC in it now comes into play for the GOP.  That's not a huge shift but I guess with tight margins it matters.   

I guess I liked when the democrats gave the middle class something to vote for, even though I worked on the gop side of things.   I got along with democrats and I think in general government functions better when sides have to work together and come together on issues.   Even if we still worked to kick their ass in elections.   

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4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

The only black Republicans in the House all represent majority white districts. There are no black Republicans representing majority black districts. Not from Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, NY, CA, MO. None. Seems like ALL the black people suddenly live in blue states. Meanwhile, majority Hispanic districts, which have recently started swinging red, have numerous Republican representatives, including newly created districts in TX.

What a coincidence!

In Missouri i don't know that there's a majority of black voters in any of our congressional districts, even STL.  But there is a black member of congress who represents STL

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1 minute ago, cmh6476 said:

In Missouri i don't know that there's a majority of black voters in any of our congressional districts, even STL.  But there is a black member of congress who represents STL

Sure, but they're a democrat. That's my point. There are a lot of black people in St. Louis and KC, many of which are presumably (I don't know for sure) living in close proximity to each other. But yet, no majority black districts.

Thanks for your response, and sorry to drag you into a conversation you probably would rather avoid, being a decent human being and all.