Jerry Jones Is A Focking Idiot

[listen2me 23 1,906]

Dan Patrick "it just doesnt make sense"

Cowboys insider Ed Werder "you do not trade Micah Parsons...you especially dont trade Parsons to GB"

Michael Irvin minutes before the deal guaranteed they would not trade him.  Afterwards he called it a dumb move.  

[Big Guy 1,416]

I like Micah, but he's pretty moody, pouty.....maybe it's just his youth

 

I'll be pissed if Green Bay gets all the calls when Micah is double teamed. Parsons is held on almost every play and we've only got a handful of calls through the years. 

[Mike Honcho 5,330]

Madden won't let you trade Michah for what Jerry got.   

 

[Fnord 2,316]

31 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I hope it doesn’t work out for either team. 

In yet another omen of the impending end times, I agree with HT.

I was just getting used to the idea that the Packers have a slightly above average QB they're paying like a top-line guy and that their demise would be slow and gradual as they realized that just because they're GB doesn't mean they're entitled to HOF QB play. This makes them better today, but I'm still not convinced they'll be a playoff team this year given how gnarly the NFC North is. The whining from Packa fans would be divine, like a soul-healing symphony.

Fock the Cowboys and Jerrah now and forevermore. 

[listen2me 23 1,906]

Im pretty happy with Love as QB.  Not every team can have Mahomes or Josh Allen.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

Probably gonna work out better for Dallas than Green Bay.  In the games I saw Parsons play against a 44+ year old QB and (lol), Baker Mayfield, I think he's a bit overrated.  I mean, he's really good, but he's not elite.  At his position, he's probably outside the top 15.

[listen2me 23 1,906]

There is definitely a long list of players who have had 12+ sacks in each of their first 4 years playing.  

*checks notes*

Oh nevermind, its only him and Reggie White.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

18 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

There is definitely a long list of players who have had 12+ sacks in each of their first 4 years playing.  

*checks notes*

Oh nevermind, its only him and Reggie White.  

Of his 52.5 sacks, literally half (26.5), came against the Redskins, Panthers, Eagles, and Giants.  Had only 27 against the rest of the league.  Really good, yes.  Elite, nah.  LOL 20% of his sacks are against Washington!

Last year, had 12 sacks... 10 came against the 4 teams I just mentioned.  

Prior year, those same 4 teams (plus the loser Jets), 10.5 of 14.

[listen2me 23 1,906]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Of his 52.5 sacks, literally half (26.5), came against the Redskins, Panthers, Eagles, and Giants.  Had only 27 against the rest of the league.  Really good, yes.  Elite, nah.  LOL 20% of his sacks are against Washington!

 

So im looking for 4 sacks vs the Skins in the divisional.  And at least 2 vs the Eagles in the NFCC.  Sold!

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

So im looking for 4 sacks vs the Skins in the divisional.  And at least 2 vs the Eagles in the NFCC.  Sold!

Yeah, that's my point.  The teams he plays against all the time (or that suck), he's great... everyone else... he's "good".

[Gladiators 2,009]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So im looking for 4 sacks vs the Skins in the divisional.  And at least 2 vs the Eagles in the NFCC.  Sold!

I’ll be happy if he beats up on the divisional foes. 

[Fnord 2,316]

3 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

I’ll be happy if he beats up on the divisional foes. 

I don't think it's out of line to mention that the offensive lines, and offenses in general, in the NFCN as a whole are in much better shape than those in the NFCE. At this point, the Pack might have the worst in the division, depending on how Caleb Williams plays.

[MDC 7,588]

1 hour ago, Big Guy said:

The plan is, Micah's not worth that and we already had 2 highly overpriced players. Sure Micah has great stats, but he's rarely showed up when needed the most. He's NOT a leader, he's just another high dollar diva.

Dak has 2 playoff wins in 9 years and they gave him the bag. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

21 minutes ago, MDC said:

Dak has 2 playoff wins in 9 years and they gave him the bag. 

This is a separate argument that I've been making for years.  Teams are paying QB's top money for being no different than almost any other QB.  Right now, there are 2 QB's that are truly better than everyone else... Mahomes and Burrow.  Then there's two that just a tick below... Jackson and Allen.  After that, there's like 20+ other guys who are the virtually the same guy in different situations... some perfect for them, others not so much.  But, teams will pay out the butt to keep JAG's, because they're scared, stupid, or conning their fanbase into a false sense of security.

[WhiteWonder 2,820]

21 hours ago, 5-Points said:

That is all. 

I have not paid attention to all the details of the issue that led to the trade. I assume Parsons wanted a bigger extension than what was offered, I guess Jerry was negotiatiing directly with Parsons? But also doesn't Parsons have the same agent that Tee Higgins fired recently before getting his deal done?

I'm sure you hate to lose Parsons and I'm sure he will go on to great things unlike Jamal Adams but the Jets got 2 1sts and a 3rd for Adams (less than the cowpokes got, but close) and the Jets directly turned that into Elijah Vera-Tucker and Garrett Wilson.   So all hope is not lost. 

[WhiteWonder 2,820]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Of his 52.5 sacks, literally half (26.5), came against the Redskins, Panthers, Eagles, and Giants.  Had only 27 against the rest of the league.  Really good, yes.  Elite, nah.  LOL 20% of his sacks are against Washington!

Last year, had 12 sacks... 10 came against the 4 teams I just mentioned.  

Prior year, those same 4 teams (plus the loser Jets), 10.5 of 14.

20% of his sacks may be against Washington but how many of his games are against Washington? When he plays a team twice a season and non division foes less than once per season it's not totally crazy. Big time players tend to rack up stats against the worst teams in their division. 

[WhiteWonder 2,820]

38 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

This is a separate argument that I've been making for years.  Teams are paying QB's top money for being no different than almost any other QB.  Right now, there are 2 QB's that are truly better than everyone else... Mahomes and Burrow.  Then there's two that just a tick below... Jackson and Allen.  After that, there's like 20+ other guys who are the virtually the same guy in different situations... some perfect for them, others not so much.  But, teams will pay out the butt to keep JAG's, because they're scared, stupid, or conning their fanbase into a false sense of security.

So I agree with you but I also sort of understand it. One QB sets the market, then the next expects more, and more and so on and so on... and coaches/front offices are afraid to hit reset buttons and show their lack of ability to find an elite QB. There are some guy who I think are better than JAGs and deserve to be paid, at least if you can ignore the ridiculous QB money landscape.  Jared Goff for example. Even if you think it's just the perfect situation for him, it's clearly the perfect situation for all involved. Detroit should continue to pay him and keep him happy if he continues to help them be a relevant, winning franchise. The Bucs may have the same situation with Baker, though I don't believe he is as talented as Goff. 

[listen2me 23 1,906]

"Over the last four years, the Cowboys are the league's best defense with Micah Parsons on the field by EPA per play.

Across a 1,039-play sample, they're the league's second-worst defense over that same stretch by EPA per play when Parsons isn't on the field," he wrote.

[MDC 7,588]

Super Bowl MVP Jalen Hurts seems like a MF bargain today at $50m per.

Stone cold killer when it matters.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

50 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

20% of his sacks may be against Washington but how many of his games are against Washington? When he plays a team twice a season and non division foes less than once per season it's not totally crazy. Big time players tend to rack up stats against the worst teams in their division. 

8 of 63 (12.6%), about the same as games against the Giants... one more than against the Eagles.  Yes, they are likely to rack up stats against the worst teams in their division... that's my point.  Racking up stats against the worst teams in your division isn't the mark of an elite player.  Like I said in another post, half of his sacks came against 4 teams... 3 were in-division, 1 was the Panthers.

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

40 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

"Over the last four years, the Cowboys are the league's best defense with Micah Parsons on the field by EPA per play.

Across a 1,039-play sample, they're the league's second-worst defense over that same stretch by EPA per play when Parsons isn't on the field," he wrote.

LOL, Parsons missed 5 games in his career.  Now that's a sample size!!

[Gepetto 1,389]

Jerry Jones wanted Parsons and Parsons wanted to stay. Jerry Jones wanted to keep Mike McCarthy. He wanted to and did keep Dak Prescott. 

He's the worst GM in the league and this team is going to suck balls.  Expect lots of pick sixes, and giving up over 30 points per game.

Fock this team. I hope they go 0-17.

[Big Guy 1,416]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Dak has 2 playoff wins in 9 years and they gave him the bag. 

Dak's a leader, and he gives it his all, sure his all isn't good enough sometimes, but it was the Cowboys best bet at the time.

[Big Guy 1,416]

"If Jerry can't trust you, you're done!" 

[MDC 7,588]

14 minutes ago, Big Guy said:

Dak's a leader, 

2-5 in his postseason career. Dak has led them to several embarrassing postseason losses. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

So I agree with you but I also sort of understand it. One QB sets the market, then the next expects more, and more and so on and so on... and coaches/front offices are afraid to hit reset buttons and show their lack of ability to find an elite QB. There are some guy who I think are better than JAGs and deserve to be paid, at least if you can ignore the ridiculous QB money landscape.  Jared Goff for example. Even if you think it's just the perfect situation for him, it's clearly the perfect situation for all involved. Detroit should continue to pay him and keep him happy if he continues to help them be a relevant, winning franchise. The Bucs may have the same situation with Baker, though I don't believe he is as talented as Goff. 

I think what teams do is double down on the idea of "Franchise QB's".  They over draft them.  Guys that have no business being drafted in the first round, are being taken in the top 10.  The net result is that they're forced to produce Day 1.  Most of those teams stink.  Many have terrible organizations.  These kids are doomed from the get-go.  The smart thing to do is use those premium picks on guys with a higher success rate and draft a QB in the 3rd round (or so), or keep drafting QB's in the 5th or 6th round.  If you have a great supporting cast (again, by using premium picks on higher success rate players), then an "ok" QB can at least keep you competitive until you find a good or great one.  Almost every year, there's a competent starter available in free agency (or via reasonable trade).

Now, when I say "JAG", I mean guys who aren't really better than anyone else... or, the average league QB.  So in your example of Goff... I don't think he's any better or worse than Mayfield, Stroud, Lawrence, Tua, or Murray.  So, with Detroit and Goff as your example.  The reason Detroit is in position to have to pay Goff a boatload of cash, is because they choose not to address the position.  Goff got there in March of 2021.  The Lions had 5 drafts to take a QB that they could develop.  How many did they take?  1.  Hendon Hooker.  My guess is that he was thought of as a high risk/high reward pick.  They could've traded him after the 2022 season after a 9-8 season.  There was a guy who threw 41 TD's last year who was a FA that year.  Another guy who was a FA that year won 14 games last year.

Here's a scenario for you.  Sign Sam Darnold for $30M AAV and trade Goff to Cleveland for pick #5 (maybe more... why not?  He's a can't miss starter, right?).  Use that #5 pick on a defensive player to help their defense.  In that, they save $20M to be spent elsewhere to improve their team.  Did they make their team worse?  I doubt it.  At worst, it's a push.  A push that saved you, anywhere from $40M to $70M.  You don't like Darnold?  They could've given up pick #70 for Geno Smith (who got traded for pick #92).  Here's my thinking... if you don't have a QB who could garner a top 10 draft pick (at worst, straight up), there's no point in giving that guy $50M AAV or more.

[WhiteWonder 2,820]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

8 of 63 (12.6%), about the same as games against the Giants... one more than against the Eagles.  Yes, they are likely to rack up stats against the worst teams in their division... that's my point.  Racking up stats against the worst teams in your division isn't the mark of an elite player.  Like I said in another post, half of his sacks came against 4 teams... 3 were in-division, 1 was the Panthers.

I guess my point was that racking up stats against the worst team in your division, which you play more often is not necessarily an argument for a player not being elite. It just is what it is. You’d expect an elite player to dominate them. 
im not saying he IS elite. Just speculating on the validity of the Washington example 

[Gepetto 1,389]

Dak will play for a few years. After that, or if an injury gives the backup an opportunity, I like Joe Milton's potential. 

[WhiteWonder 2,820]

37 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think what teams do is double down on the idea of "Franchise QB's".  They over draft them.  Guys that have no business being drafted in the first round, are being taken in the top 10.  The net result is that they're forced to produce Day 1.  Most of those teams stink.  Many have terrible organizations.  These kids are doomed from the get-go.  The smart thing to do is use those premium picks on guys with a higher success rate and draft a QB in the 3rd round (or so), or keep drafting QB's in the 5th or 6th round.  If you have a great supporting cast (again, by using premium picks on higher success rate players), then an "ok" QB can at least keep you competitive until you find a good or great one.  Almost every year, there's a competent starter available in free agency (or via reasonable trade).

Now, when I say "JAG", I mean guys who aren't really better than anyone else... or, the average league QB.  So in your example of Goff... I don't think he's any better or worse than Mayfield, Stroud, Lawrence, Tua, or Murray.  So, with Detroit and Goff as your example.  The reason Detroit is in position to have to pay Goff a boatload of cash, is because they choose not to address the position.  Goff got there in March of 2021.  The Lions had 5 drafts to take a QB that they could develop.  How many did they take?  1.  Hendon Hooker.  My guess is that he was thought of as a high risk/high reward pick.  They could've traded him after the 2022 season after a 9-8 season.  There was a guy who threw 41 TD's last year who was a FA that year.  Another guy who was a FA that year won 14 games last year.

Here's a scenario for you.  Sign Sam Darnold for $30M AAV and trade Goff to Cleveland for pick #5 (maybe more... why not?  He's a can't miss starter, right?).  Use that #5 pick on a defensive player to help their defense.  In that, they save $20M to be spent elsewhere to improve their team.  Did they make their team worse?  I doubt it.  At worst, it's a push.  A push that saved you, anywhere from $40M to $70M.  You don't like Darnold?  They could've given up pick #70 for Geno Smith (who got traded for pick #92).  Here's my thinking... if you don't have a QB who could garner a top 10 draft pick (at worst, straight up), there's no point in giving that guy $50M AAV or more.

So for me I think Goff is fairly underrated. So an example where my team adds Darnold or Geno (maybe I’m biased as a Jets fan) in order to save some $$ and add a draft pick does not actually appeal to me. 
 

i understand your point in general it just so happens that i believe Goff is a franchise QB. So if you wanted to use… Kyler Murray then I am with you. 

[Big Guy 1,416]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

2-5 in his postseason career. Dak has led them to several embarrassing postseason losses. 

Wow, thanks I didn't know 

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

I guess my point was that racking up stats against the worst team in your division, which you play more often is not necessarily an argument for a player not being elite. It just is what it is. You’d expect an elite player to dominate them. 
im not saying he IS elite. Just speculating on the validity of the Washington example 

Sure, I'd expect a great player to do great against terrible teams... I'd also expect them to be great against great teams.

[TBayXXXVII 2,593]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

So for me I think Goff is fairly underrated. So an example where my team adds Darnold or Geno (maybe I’m biased as a Jets fan) in order to save some $$ and add a draft pick does not actually appeal to me. 
 

i understand your point in general it just so happens that i believe Goff is a franchise QB. So if you wanted to use… Kyler Murray then I am with you. 

I don't have a problem with thinking Goff is a franchise QB, but people throw around the label of "Franchise QB" too easily. When they do, it devalues that label.  To me, if the bar is low enough where Jared Goff is a franchise QB, then at least 25 teams can claim they have a franchise QB.

[Gepetto 1,389]

A franchise quarterback is an NFL player who is the cornerstone of a team's offense and future, expected to lead the team for many years, win games, and consistently elevate the performance of the players around them. They possess exceptional leadership, football intelligence, and the ability to perform under pressure, making them an indispensable asset that a team will build its entire strategy around. 

google AI

[supermike80 1,983]

4 hours ago, Gepetto said:

 

Fock this team. I hope they go 0-17.

I wouldnt hate this one bit

[5-Points 3,624]

6 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

I have not paid attention to all the details of the issue that led to the trade. I assume Parsons wanted a bigger extension than what was offered, I guess Jerry was negotiatiing directly with Parsons? But also doesn't Parsons have the same agent that Tee Higgins fired recently before getting his deal done?

I'm sure you hate to lose Parsons and I'm sure he will go on to great things unlike Jamal Adams but the Jets got 2 1sts and a 3rd for Adams (less than the cowpokes got, but close) and the Jets directly turned that into Elijah Vera-Tucker and Garrett Wilson.   So all hope is not lost. 

Jerry is just a terrible GM. He always has been. But his pride won't allow him to hire somebody who knows wtf they're doing because it might result in immediate success. 

And that would prove to the rest of the world, who haven't been paying attention over the last 30 years, that he doesn't know wtf he's doing. 

He bought a hobby. A toy he could tinker with. And it has killed a once great franchise. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,582]

John Mara is a low key version of Jerry. Minus the bourbon.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,153]

Meanwhile, Howie Roseman is laughing at both teams  

Won a Superbowl without a an overpaid DE  

This changes nothing for Green Bay, the QB isn't a winner. He's never won anything