Charlie Kirk was just shot

[TimHauck 3,201]

4 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

1. What products? Car manufacturers are eating them. Lots of companies eating them. 

2. Nobody has lost healthcare from the OBBB. The only losers that will are already voting democrat because they are too lazy to get a job or help out at a food bank. 

3. Nonsense. Trump is literally following the roadmap put in place by democrats. The real overreach going on is in the courts. 

Agree on #2, disagree on 1 & 3.

1. Some companies have been eating them, but if input costs are going up and they can’t be passed onto the consumer that’s not a good sign for job prospects or the economy overall.

Also with the way they’ve been constantly changing many companies plan to pass them on but haven’t yet.  But some places where they have had a significant impact already include:

Furniture: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUUS0000SAH3

Coffee: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000717311

I know you’ll mock these items as being NBD, but again this is just an example of what’s to come if the tariffs stay in place, and also what we do know is that tariffs certainly aren’t helping prices come down.

 

3.  Many people other than hardcore MAGA’s aren’t thrilled with things like what ICE has been doing or the recent instances of lawfare.

[nobody 2,829]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

3.  Many people other than hardcore MAGA’s aren’t thrilled with things like what ICE has been doing or the recent instances of lawfare.

Normies don't really care how illegal aliens are rounded up.  

And from the perspective of stemming illegal immigrants, putting on a big scary show and having people in the news crying about how abuela is going to alligator Alcatraz is likely dissuading some folks from crossing in.

Of course, when Gavin wins, all that will be undone and it'll be open floodgates, so I'm sure they're all just chilling for a couple of years, but at least it's being dealt with now.

[TimHauck 3,201]

10 minutes ago, nobody said:

Normies don't really care how illegal aliens are rounded up.  

And from the perspective of stemming illegal immigrants, putting on a big scary show and having people in the news crying about how abuela is going to alligator Alcatraz is likely dissuading some folks from crossing in.

Of course, when Gavin wins, all that will be undone and it'll be open floodgates, so I'm sure they're all just chilling for a couple of years, but at least it's being dealt with now.

A lot of normies don’t like that the workers at their favorite Mexican restaurant are being rounded up 

[nobody 2,829]

On 9/27/2025 at 1:44 PM, TimHauck said:

A lot of normies don’t like that the workers at their favorite Mexican restaurant are being rounded up 

That won't be a hot button issue.

[jonnyutah 485]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Agree on #2, disagree on 1 & 3.

1. Some companies have been eating them, but if input costs are going up and they can’t be passed onto the consumer that’s not a good sign for job prospects or the economy overall.

Also with the way they’ve been constantly changing many companies plan to pass them on but haven’t yet.  But some places where they have had a significant impact already include:

Furniture: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUUS0000SAH3

Coffee: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000717311

I know you’ll mock these items as being NBD, but again this is just an example of what’s to come if the tariffs stay in place, and also what we do know is that tariffs certainly aren’t helping prices come down.

 

3.  Many people other than hardcore MAGA’s aren’t thrilled with things like what ICE has been doing or the recent instances of lawfare.

Did i look at the wrong firniture chart? We are still a decent amount off the peak in march of 2023. 

[edjr 6,784]

AGAIN?!\?\>|!\!]!.

[TimHauck 3,201]

20 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

Did i look at the wrong firniture chart? We are still a decent amount off the peak in march of 2023. 

you may have read the chart wrong.  It was currently higher than 2023

[jonnyutah 485]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

you may have read the chart wrong.  It was currently higher than 2023

Haha. I read "Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers:" and didnt keep reading. I scrolled down and selected the furniture tag which takes you to a while different set of charts. 

[Fnord 2,441]

On 9/27/2025 at 10:35 AM, Frozenbeernuts said:

You have no clue. It's like talking to a child. Here's why:

You are placing way too much importance on healthcare. What if people didn't need Healthcare nearly as much because they were healthier? Why isn't the root cause of needing so much expensive medical care the main issue?

Why? Because people like you are told what to focus on. You obey your master. You never look at the root cause of things. Just like medical treatment, you are always wanting to treat symptoms. You and the people like you literally think like children, and you can't understand what we are saying.

I'm not insulting you. I'm just stating common sense. I used to think this way, like a child. I couldn't understand how to solve problems from first principles. This is part or why Elon Musk is so successful. He attacks the root of issues. Something you are not capable of because your masters won't allow you.

"What if people didn't need healthcare because they were healthier?"

:TRUMPSNAPSFINGERS: "Everyone's healthy! I got rid of all disease, genetic conditions, pre-existing issues, birth defects, and changed every level of the entire US food economy, from the C-suite at Con Agra to the Iowa soybean farmer. Some people call me Thanos, but I'm much better looking!"

And you say I'm a child obeying my master. Do you know what radiation therapy does? It treats the CAUSE, not the symptom. Do doctors say "you should really keep that bad kidney, we'll just keep treating the symptoms of renal failure?" No, they don't.

You really don't have a concept how healthcare works, or of how many people rely on government subsidized healthcare, do you? Our healthcare system is a mess, I won't deny that. But if you're one of the folks that says "it's just there to make money off of our illnesses" then you have a myopic, naive view of the world and should know better than to condescendingly tell a professional in the field that their field is fraudulent. Makes you look simple.

[nobody 2,829]

My observation is healthcare is shoddy at best.  

It's fine if you have something routine, but best not have something that the doctor can't treat in 15 minutes because that all the time they got for you.  

Then they'll pass you around to siloed up specialists and every specialist thinks whatever their specialty is is what your problem is without ever reading and absorbing what all the other doctors said or did.  human nature I suppose.  To a guy with a hammer every problem is a nail is a saying, and sayings are sayings for a reason.

Then the problem solving is haphazard.  During, covid, the politicians co-opted and bastardized the word science, but these guys don't take a scientific approach to problem solving.  They shotgun shìt way too much.  In science, you develop a hypothesis.  Figure out a way to test that.  Change one variable at a time, and keep revising your hypothesis.  These guys form multiple hypotheses and try to test all of them at the same time which usually results in muddy results.  

Have a procedure?  Good luck seeing a surgeon post op.  You're going to get a PA who only knows the script they're taught so better not go off script on some non-routine complication.

And for the love of god, I hope you don't run into some doctor that just wants to sell you procedures.  I never understood the whole get a second opinion until I ran into those guys.  Don't just get a second.  Get a third and fourth.  There are some pretty greedy docs out there that have no conscience.

And in my opinion all of it stems from patient mills where they just want to get people in and out as quickly as possible to keep the billings up.

[nobody 2,829]

In conclusion.  Medical system is fine for routine stuff, but lord help you if you don't have a routine issue.

 

[TimHauck 3,201]

On 9/27/2025 at 11:35 AM, Frozenbeernuts said:

You have no clue. It's like talking to a child. Here's why:

You are placing way too much importance on healthcare. What if people didn't need Healthcare nearly as much because they were healthier? Why isn't the root cause of needing so much expensive medical care the main issue?

 

Maybe we should replace high fructose corn syrup in Coca Cola with cane sugar.  That should do the trick.

[SaintsInDome2006 520]

On 9/27/2025 at 10:35 AM, Frozenbeernuts said:

You are placing way too much importance on healthcare. What if people didn't need Healthcare nearly as much because they were healthier? Why isn't the root cause of needing so much expensive medical care the main issue?

I wasn’t pro-ACA, but fwiw Obama did raise this. The idea was to shift emphasis towards testing, screening, access, better pre-care. I’m pretty sure that’s what Michelle Obama’s school nutrition program was tied in to as well. This is all part of a holistic discussion I agree with but (1) there’s *always a cost & (2) should government be doing any of this.

But maga seems perfectly fine with both factors.

[Big Guy 1,417]

IMO, he was either shot from the right rear or shocked then carried away and is still alive.

Either way I think there's a great chance much of his team was in on it.

It's all quite shady, especially the official ( or lack of ) narrative.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,311]

11 hours ago, Fnord said:

"What if people didn't need healthcare because they were healthier?"

:TRUMPSNAPSFINGERS: "Everyone's healthy! I got rid of all disease, genetic conditions, pre-existing issues, birth defects, and changed every level of the entire US food economy, from the C-suite at Con Agra to the Iowa soybean farmer. Some people call me Thanos, but I'm much better looking!"

And you say I'm a child obeying my master. Do you know what radiation therapy does? It treats the CAUSE, not the symptom. Do doctors say "you should really keep that bad kidney, we'll just keep treating the symptoms of renal failure?" No, they don't.

You really don't have a concept how healthcare works, or of how many people rely on government subsidized healthcare, do you? Our healthcare system is a mess, I won't deny that. But if you're one of the folks that says "it's just there to make money off of our illnesses" then you have a myopic, naive view of the world and should know better than to condescendingly tell a professional in the field that their field is fraudulent. Makes you look simple.

You aren't very bright. What if someone didn't get cancer in the first place because their food wasn't sprayed with chemicals? It's like talking to a baby.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,311]

11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Maybe we should replace high fructose corn syrup in Coca Cola with cane sugar.  That should do the trick.

Thank you for proving my point.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,311]

6 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I wasn’t pro-ACA, but fwiw Obama did raise this. The idea was to shift emphasis towards testing, screening, access, better pre-care. I’m pretty sure that’s what Michelle Obama’s school nutrition program was tied in to as well. This is all part of a holistic discussion I agree with but (1) there’s *always a cost & (2) should government be doing any of this.

But maga seems perfectly fine with both factors.

Obama didn't do sht. Doctors get 2 weeks of nutrition in med school. If that. They push medicine before natural preventative care. It's all backwards.

[Fnord 2,441]

11 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

You aren't very bright. What if someone didn't get cancer in the first place because their food wasn't sprayed with chemicals? It's like talking to a baby.

FFS. Let's pretend your magic thinking is accurate and the DJT/RFK are sorcerers that somehow convince 350 million Americans that their Coke, Cheetos, and M&M's are going away because they cause cancer. They ID everything that causes it and make all those factors go away.

How long will it take cancer to go away? A few generations? How do you propose treating the patients for the next 50 years?

Or, we can live in the real world, where chemicals are in use for many reasons. Their use is backed by powerful corporations and lobbies. A strong FDA and EPA would be the best counterweight to their influence. Your boy gutted those agencies. Their enforcement capabilities are GONE.

Look up Dunning Kruger effect and stare in the mirror while reading aloud.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,311]

54 minutes ago, Fnord said:

FFS. Let's pretend your magic thinking is accurate and the DJT/RFK are sorcerers that somehow convince 350 million Americans that their Coke, Cheetos, and M&M's are going away because they cause cancer. They ID everything that causes it and make all those factors go away.

How long will it take cancer to go away? A few generations? How do you propose treating the patients for the next 50 years?

Or, we can live in the real world, where chemicals are in use for many reasons. Their use is backed by powerful corporations and lobbies. A strong FDA and EPA would be the best counterweight to their influence. Your boy gutted those agencies. Their enforcement capabilities are GONE.

Look up Dunning Kruger effect and stare in the mirror while reading aloud.

Great plan. Manage the symptoms until we spray so many chemicals it only takes a few minutes to get cancer. Use your brain.

[Fnord 2,441]

4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Great plan. Manage the symptoms until we spray so many chemicals it only takes a few minutes to get cancer. Use your brain.

Did you even read what I wrote? If so, this seems like a nonsensical response. Take a break.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,311]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Did you even read what I wrote? If so, this seems like a nonsensical response. Take a break.

You will get it one day. You will be like Ohhhh that's what he was talking about.

[Fnord 2,441]

2 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

You will get it one day. You will be like Ohhhh that's what he was talking about.

It's much more likely that someday you will refuse to admit that you voted for our nation's most notorious criminal president. Maybe even to the point of shame.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,311]

52 minutes ago, Fnord said:

It's much more likely that someday you will refuse to admit that you voted for our nation's most notorious criminal president. Maybe even to the point of shame.

I'm getting something. Hold on. There is a word coming to me... Ahah. Yes. That fits perfectly. The Gods whispered into my ear, and they blessed me with a single word when I thought of you. Nincompoop. Have a great day, brother.

[Fnord 2,441]

1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I'm getting something. Hold on. There is a word coming to me... Ahah. Yes. That fits perfectly. The Gods whispered into my ear, and they blessed me with a single word when I thought of you. Nincompoop. Have a great day, brother.

You as well, fellow nincompoop.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,311]

33 minutes ago, Fnord said:

You as well, fellow nincompoop.

 

[Strike 5,900]

Stay classy Libs:

https://twitter.com/realNickMiles/status/1973469251596960040?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Don't tell me you lefties don't encourage and condone violence.  Disgusting.

[TimHauck 3,201]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

Stay classy Libs:

https://twitter.com/realNickMiles/status/1973469251596960040?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Don't tell me you lefties don't encourage and condone violence.  Disgusting.

I gotta say, it’s impressive that people are able to find this stuff in the far corners of the internet.  I’m fine with expelling this kid, but I wouldn’t say some college kid on a show that nobody watches is representative of “the left”

 

[Ron_Artest 1,992]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I gotta say, it’s impressive that people are able to find this stuff in the far corners of the internet.  I’m fine with expelling this kid, but I wouldn’t say some college kid on a show that nobody watches is representative of “the left”

 

Strike isn't a serious poster.

[Strike 5,900]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I gotta say, it’s impressive that people are able to find this stuff in the far corners of the internet.  I’m fine with expelling this kid, but I wouldn’t say some college kid on a show that nobody watches is representative of “the left”

 

This kid?  It was an entire production crew, overseen by faculty and financed with taxpayer money.  GTFOH trying to minimize this incident.

[TimHauck 3,201]

16 minutes ago, Strike said:

This kid?  It was an entire production crew, overseen by faculty and financed with taxpayer money.  GTFOH trying to minimize this incident.

How do you know it was more than one person that knew that was going to be on there?  We’re just taking the word of whoever the heck “Nick Miles” is now?  I’m supposed to believe faculty told them to remove that, but was perfectly fine with them giving a special thanks to cocaine?

Most of these YouTube videos have like 10-20 views, and that’s after 30k people have seen this post from Miles. 

This is nothing.  Now if maybe the President’s son condoned an attack of a top politician’s spouse, then you could probably argue that might be indicative of a larger trend.  Oh wait.

[Ron_Artest 1,992]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

This kid?  It was an entire production crew, overseen by faculty and financed with taxpayer money.  GTFOH trying to minimize this incident.

More fake outrage

[jerryskids 6,985]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

This kid?  It was an entire production crew, overseen by faculty and financed with taxpayer money.  GTFOH trying to minimize this incident.

If you want Moderate Tim to believe your source, simply tell him that they hate Israel and Jews in general.   

[TimHauck 3,201]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If you want Moderate Tim to believe your source, simply tell him that they hate Israel and Jews in general.   

So count you as thinking that a college YouTube show getting literally 15 views an episode is relevant?

[jerryskids 6,985]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So count you as thinking that a college YouTube show getting literally 15 views an episode is relevant?

Nope, I didn't even click through the link.  I'm pointing out that if such a show hated Israel and Jews, you would trust it implicitly.  I thought that was clear, but if not, here you go.   

[TimHauck 3,201]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Nope, I didn't even click through the link.  I'm pointing out that if such a show hated Israel and Jews, you would trust it implicitly.  I thought that was clear, but if not, here you go.   

Good joke.

Not.

[jerryskids 6,985]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Good joke.

Not.

Link to an anti-Israel post you've discredited?

Link to a pro-Israel post you've accepted?