RaiderHaters Revenge 4,437 Posted 16 hours ago 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: If it isn’t possible doesn’t that suggest that we do not live in a society with equal opportunity for all? no it means we live in a society that there are only 13% blacks and 55% whites, that means its easier to form enclaves based on the white % logic isn't a strong suit for you, when you see every comment as its based on racism every black in America has a chance to move into upper class neighbors, just as any other race 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,711 Posted 16 hours ago 6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: According to the U.S. Census Bureau in 2023, there are 37 million Americans who live in poverty. That’s 11% of the population. Would you say that’s very little? In comparison Denmark has a poverty rate of 0.8% I don’t accept their version of poverty. No one goes hungry in this country. We have fat, well dressed poor people that get a free education, housing and healthcare. You show me the 37 million people without access to those things. Maybe they don’t have id’s? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 437 Posted 15 hours ago 20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Same question for you as @iam90sbaby: suppose it was 100% black but same economic conditions: would it be a high violent crime area? I googled "black crime rates still high when income is equalized" First sentence of AI overview. "Black crime rates remain higher than white crime rates even when accounting for income differences, according to sociological studies." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,437 Posted 15 hours ago 5 minutes ago, jonnyutah said: I googled "black crime rates still high when income is equalized" First sentence of AI overview. "Black crime rates remain higher than white crime rates even when accounting for income differences, according to sociological studies." thats probably racist or something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 2,028 Posted 15 hours ago 25 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: he thinks its possible to have 80000 blacks in a city making 400k+ a year They do in Wakanda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,538 Posted 15 hours ago 52 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The point is this: 1. Liberal policies do not increase crime. 2. Conservative polices do not decrease crime. 3. We can argue the details over which specific policy makes more sense but there is no liberal or conservative “solution” to crime; the factors behind crime are bigger than either liberal or conservative politics. 1-Liberal policies and liberal judges, civil and criminal, increased ten fold 2-Conservative policies and conservative judges, civil, and criminal. There’s a reason why DA don’t waste their time trying to convict them with liberal jury’s 3-We can argue over the details. And it is liberal vs conservative politics. Jail them. Build more jails. Teacher them they can’t rob, steal, rape, murder, constantly break the law 4-Raise your fawking kids right. Ever notice how in bad neighborhoods the good kids have a strong mother and or father? Read a book and learn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,120 Posted 15 hours ago 13 minutes ago, jonnyutah said: I googled "black crime rates still high when income is equalized" First sentence of AI overview. "Black crime rates remain higher than white crime rates even when accounting for income differences, according to sociological studies." All right sir. You don’t strike me as racist like @iam90sbaby. Perhaps I’m wrong about that (I hope not.) My own theory is that this is due to cultural problems among blacks caused by years of institutional racism against them. I suspect that as a conservative you disagree with this theory? I’d so, how do you explain the discrepancy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,120 Posted 15 hours ago 2 minutes ago, BunnysBastatrds said: 1-Liberal policies and liberal judges, civil and criminal, increased ten fold 2-Conservative policies and conservative judges, civil, and criminal. There’s a reason why DA don’t waste their time trying to convict them with liberal jury’s 3-We can argue over the details. And it is liberal vs conservative politics. Jail them. Build more jails. Teacher them they can’t rob, steal, rape, murder, constantly break the law 4-Raise your fawking kids right. Ever notice how in bad neighborhoods the good kids have a strong mother and or father? Read a book and learn I’ve read a lot of books on this subject, the majority of them disagree rather strongly with your point of view here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,437 Posted 15 hours ago 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: All right sir. You don’t strike me as racist like @iam90sbaby. Perhaps I’m wrong about that (I hope not.) My own theory is that this is due to cultural problems among blacks caused by years of institutional racism against them. I suspect that as a conservative you disagree with this theory? I’d so, how do you explain the discrepancy? It’s not institutional racism. It’s liberal policy that destroyed the black family. Thank Lyndon Johnson for that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,437 Posted 15 hours ago 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I’ve read a lot of books on this subject, the majority of them disagree rather strongly with your point of view here. You don’t read a lot of books on it. You read a lot of liberal books. Talk to black men who believe in personal responsibility. Guys like Larry elder, Ben Carson of course they are just uncle toms as how can they be part of the racist gop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,711 Posted 15 hours ago Real Tim has never seen real poverty in his life. Instead of going to some resort on your next vacation, get a real education and go to a country where people are actually living in poverty and report back. You’ll never say the US has a poverty problem again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,120 Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: You don’t read a lot of books on it. You read a lot of liberal books. Talk to black men who believe in personal responsibility. Guys like Larry elder, Ben Carson of course they are just uncle toms as how can they be part of the racist gop. Very familiar with Larry Elder- I’ve read a few books by him too, and I used to call him now and then back in the 90s. When he was more libertarian and less of a Trumper, when he was the Sage from South Compton. Nice guy. But I disagree strongly with his POV on this subject. Carson I only know from his association with Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,119 Posted 15 hours ago 6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: It’s not institutional racism. It’s liberal policy that destroyed the black family. Thank Lyndon Johnson for that He’s right for once but it’s a total self own because the institutions causing racism in black communities are totally run by leftists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,437 Posted 15 hours ago Just now, The Real timschochet said: Very familiar with Larry Elder- I’ve read a few books by him too, and I used to call him now and then back in the 90s. When he was more libertarian and less of a Trumper, when he was the Sage from South Compton. Nice guy. But I disagree strongly with his POV on this subject. Carson I only know from his association with Trump. What don’t you agree with elder on? And why would you think you know better than a man who has lived the experience? He’s still a libertarian. But us libertarians were given no choice. Democrats put up zero candidate. Libertarians put up a blm supporter. Therefore it’s Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,120 Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Real Tim has never seen real poverty in his life. Instead of going to some resort on your next vacation, get a real education and go to a country where people are actually living in poverty and report back. You’ll never say the US has a poverty problem again. You’re very patronizing. Poverty in different countries is relative to the rest of society. If people don’t have enough to feed their children without help I call that poverty. Is it the equivalent of poverty in Bangladesh? No. But it also isn’t Denmark either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,120 Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: What don’t you agree with elder on? And why would you think you know better than a man who has lived the experience? He’s still a libertarian. But us libertarians were given no choice. Democrats put up zero candidate. Libertarians put up a blm supporter. Therefore it’s Trump. This deserves a much longer answer than I have time for. I’ll get back to it later. (I almost wrote “I’ll circle back to it later which is a term my daughters always use and I hate- lol- what does “circle back even mean??) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,711 Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: You’re very patronizing. Poverty in different countries is relative to the rest of society. If people don’t have enough to feed their children without help I call that poverty. Is it the equivalent of poverty in Bangladesh? No. But it also isn’t Denmark either. Denmark has very little to no diversity. Why are you holding them up as an example? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,538 Posted 15 hours ago Just now, The Real timschochet said: I’ve read a lot of books on this subject, the majority of them disagree rather strongly with your point of view here. You and I must read different books and opinions on the matter. I read both sides though. Know your adversaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,538 Posted 15 hours ago 13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: It’s not institutional racism. It’s liberal policy that destroyed the black family. Thank Lyndon Johnson for that Johnson built more projects and section housing than any other president in his first term, which he didn’t earn. People in different cities other than mine, laugh and say that’s the project Howard Johnson didn’t build. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,437 Posted 15 hours ago 8 minutes ago, BunnysBastatrds said: Johnson built more projects and section housing than any other president in his first term, which he didn’t earn. People in different cities other than mine, laugh and say that’s the project Howard Johnson didn’t build. Not to mention he’d have those N***** voting blue for 200 years with his welfare program Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,580 Posted 14 hours ago 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Laguna Beach is one of the safest cities on Earth: https://ktla.com/news/this-orange-county-coastal-city-named-lowest-for-violent-crime-rate/amp/ Now any one who’s been there knows that Laguna Beach is INCREDIBLY liberal, a bastion of woke in conservative Orange County. So why is it so safe? Answer: it is also an incredibly wealthy area, very expensive to live there. And here is the REAL story: wealthy areas are the safe areas. Crime, especially violent crime, is caused by poverty. Specifically urban poverty. Liberal politics have nothing to do with it. Hahahah. This is THE biggest load of I've ever seen you post here. And you post a LOT of . Focking nepo baby. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 437 Posted 14 hours ago 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: All right sir. You don’t strike me as racist like @iam90sbaby. Perhaps I’m wrong about that (I hope not.) My own theory is that this is due to cultural problems among blacks caused by years of institutional racism against them. I suspect that as a conservative you disagree with this theory? I’d so, how do you explain the discrepancy? I dont disagree entirely with those things. I mean I think that contributes a bit to some home ownership rates and some other things. This is obviously a difficult topic and unfortunately people usually want to make racism accusations so they view discussions in the worst light possible. On a micro level I think a big reason why crime rates stay higher even when equalized for income is an association issue. I will never forget when a black family moved in two houses down the street from me. The parents were super nice. Nurse and a COO of a midsized company. The kids sucked. The kids friends sucked worse. Now this is anecdotal, but if you google "second generation black wealth back to normal crime rates." You will see it says "A central aspect of Black wealth is that its accumulation does not reliably correlate with reduced crime rates in the same way as it does for white wealth. In fact, studies show that affluent Black youth are more likely to be incarcerated than poor white youth." I believe black teens have an identity issue. If you lined up asian teens, white teens, and black teens and somehow could make them like hollow man and you could only see clothes and posture, you would be able to pick out the black teens with a decent level of accuracy and the other teens would be more of a random thing. Black teens feel the need to be black. Subsequently it forces them to often have reactionary personalities instead of being authentic. There is unfortunately an often self created narrow version of "blackness" they feel the need to live up to. Google "narrow version of blackness" and you will see I am not just making that up. There are several references to internal factors not just the view from external. Visit a busy area in the ghetto and watch black kids cross the street. They often walk the same, are all dressed the same, and often slow down when a car is approaching. They make fun of the kid that speeds up to gtfo of the road. These kinds of things can lead to a degredation of manners. Poor behavior often races to the front. They are less likely than their parents to form bonds to the community. Their parents and them become very different. Parents can feel like their kids are pissing away opportunities. This now worsens the identity crisis and crime can be the next byproduct. I think the mistake the parents make here is to have allowed the narrow view of blackness to have taken any hold at all. To have humored the idea that a black identity is a good thing to have, or even a necessary thing rather than pushing their kid to just have their own identity, but obviously with the guardrails that a parent should impose. So many things are cliches and stereotypes in these discussions, but if you look at the example of the way young black males wear their jeans the whole thing is preposterous. 1. It is objectively stupid to wear your pants that way. 2. It is horribly inefficient from a pure time perspective. 3. It is associated with blackness(particularly from the black perspective). 4. It is considered racist to point this out. I mean think about it. We let it get to the point in America where black teens walk around pulling their pants up every 22 seconds and somehow it is something that teachers, pastors, coaches, and even their own parents are supposed to stfu about because it is part of the black identity. None of this is the end all be all of anything. Just some factors of many that partially explain why affluent black kids have some struggles that really are unique to them as a whole. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,711 Posted 14 hours ago “Reactionary personalities” = quick twitch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,120 Posted 13 hours ago 22 minutes ago, jonnyutah said: I dont disagree entirely with those things. I mean I think that contributes a bit to some home ownership rates and some other things. This is obviously a difficult topic and unfortunately people usually want to make racism accusations so they view discussions in the worst light possible. On a micro level I think a big reason why crime rates stay higher even when equalized for income is an association issue. I will never forget when a black family moved in two houses down the street from me. The parents were super nice. Nurse and a COO of a midsized company. The kids sucked. The kids friends sucked worse. Now this is anecdotal, but if you google "second generation black wealth back to normal crime rates." You will see it says "A central aspect of Black wealth is that its accumulation does not reliably correlate with reduced crime rates in the same way as it does for white wealth. In fact, studies show that affluent Black youth are more likely to be incarcerated than poor white youth." I believe black teens have an identity issue. If you lined up asian teens, white teens, and black teens and somehow could make them like hollow man and you could only see clothes and posture, you would be able to pick out the black teens with a decent level of accuracy and the other teens would be more of a random thing. Black teens feel the need to be black. Subsequently it forces them to often have reactionary personalities instead of being authentic. There is unfortunately an often self created narrow version of "blackness" they feel the need to live up to. Google "narrow version of blackness" and you will see I am not just making that up. There are several references to internal factors not just the view from external. Visit a busy area in the ghetto and watch black kids cross the street. They often walk the same, are all dressed the same, and often slow down when a car is approaching. They make fun of the kid that speeds up to gtfo of the road. These kinds of things can lead to a degredation of manners. Poor behavior often races to the front. They are less likely than their parents to form bonds to the community. Their parents and them become very different. Parents can feel like their kids are pissing away opportunities. This now worsens the identity crisis and crime can be the next byproduct. I think the mistake the parents make here is to have allowed the narrow view of blackness to have taken any hold at all. To have humored the idea that a black identity is a good thing to have, or even a necessary thing rather than pushing their kid to just have their own identity, but obviously with the guardrails that a parent should impose. So many things are cliches and stereotypes in these discussions, but if you look at the example of the way young black males wear their jeans the whole thing is preposterous. 1. It is objectively stupid to wear your pants that way. 2. It is horribly inefficient from a pure time perspective. 3. It is associated with blackness(particularly from the black perspective). 4. It is considered racist to point this out. I mean think about it. We let it get to the point in America where black teens walk around pulling their pants up every 22 seconds and somehow it is something that teachers, pastors, coaches, and even their own parents are supposed to stfu about because it is part of the black identity. None of this is the end all be all of anything. Just some factors of many that partially explain why affluent black kids have some struggles that really are unique to them as a whole. I think this is a good, thoughtful post. I appreciate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,663 Posted 11 hours ago 3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: All right sir. You don’t strike me as racist like @iam90sbaby. Perhaps I’m wrong about that (I hope not.) My own theory is that this is due to cultural problems among blacks caused by years of institutional racism against them. I suspect that as a conservative you disagree with this theory? I’d so, how do you explain the discrepancy? Yes, you’re right. Cultural problems. Black culture resists whiteness. It’s just the way it is. This isn’t me saying it, it’s countless black people I’ve talked to over my career who have decided to chart their own path and not absorb the negativity around them. I see it almost every day of my life in some of the most dangerous and poverty stricken hoods in the country. That same whiteness is what established Western cultural norms. When anyone decides to resist cultural norms, you’re limiting your ability to succeed. Sadly, we kept black people from educating themselves for decades. Now, they refuse to conform to white education out of spite. Black schools woefully underperform because they choose to. This has literally played out on numerous episodes of Diff’rent Strokes as Willis and Arnold wrestled with losing their “blackness” when moving to Park Ave. It’s not rocket math. It’s just the way it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,120 Posted 11 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Yes, you’re right. Cultural problems. Black culture resists whiteness. It’s just the way it is. This isn’t me saying it, it’s countless black people I’ve talked to over my career who have decided to chart their own path and not absorb the negativity around them. I see it almost every day of my life in some of the most dangerous and poverty stricken hoods in the country. That same whiteness is what established Western cultural norms. When anyone decides to resist cultural norms, you’re limiting your ability to succeed. Sadly, we kept black people from educating themselves for decades. Now, they refuse to conform to white education out of spite. Black schools woefully underperform because they choose to. This has literally played out on numerous episodes of Diff’rent Strokes as Willis and Arnold wrestled with losing their “blackness” when moving to Park Ave. It’s not rocket math. It’s just the way it is. I think this is a good post too. I don’t agree with all of it, and I don’t agree with @jonnyutah either. But you’ve both made some thoughtful arguments here and I appreciate the good discussion which is often sorely lacking in this forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,275 Posted 10 hours ago 5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Do you believe that if it was 80% black but with the same economic conditions (highly wealthy) it would be high violent crime? It's not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,292 Posted 9 hours ago I keep hearing people say there are crazies on both side. Both extremists left and right. Who commits the most crime and the most damage when gathering in large groups to protest? It overwhelmingly leans one side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 437 Posted 9 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: I keep hearing people say there are crazies on both side. Both extremists left and right. Who commits the most crime and the most damage when gathering in large groups to protest? It overwhelmingly leans one side. These studies are such junk regarding this. Saw one where they counted ashley babbitt getting killed as a right wing violence death. Same with comperatore. But the people that died from buildings being burned or the Rittenhouse shootings didnt count as left wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,701 Posted 1 hour ago You guys will make an endless amount of excuses for blacks instead of admitting what’s right in front of you, because you’re scared someone will call you racist. How stupid do you have to be to not have the most basic pattern recognition? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,701 Posted 1 hour ago 10 hours ago, Fireballer said: Yes, you’re right. Cultural problems. Black culture resists whiteness. It’s just the way it is. This isn’t me saying it, it’s countless black people I’ve talked to over my career who have decided to chart their own path and not absorb the negativity around them. I see it almost every day of my life in some of the most dangerous and poverty stricken hoods in the country. That same whiteness is what established Western cultural norms. When anyone decides to resist cultural norms, you’re limiting your ability to succeed. Sadly, we kept black people from educating themselves for decades. Now, they refuse to conform to white education out of spite. Black schools woefully underperform because they choose to. This has literally played out on numerous episodes of Diff’rent Strokes as Willis and Arnold wrestled with losing their “blackness” when moving to Park Ave. It’s not rocket math. It’s just the way it is. Blacks create their own culture and they made a stupid one because they aren’t very bright, quit grasping at straws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,437 Posted 1 hour ago Tim thinks he knows more about systemic racism than a black man who grew up in the hood and rose above it. This is who we’re talking to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,701 Posted 1 hour ago Bum fock West Virginia, which has some of the poorest counties in the country and is overwhelmingly White is STILL safer than black communities that are pushing middle class. You guys are chasing a ghost and are incredibly stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,701 Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Tim thinks he knows more about systemic racism than a black man who grew up in the hood and rose above it. This is who we’re talking to You are one of the worst culprits with this honestly. Go spend a few years in the south and your entire opinion will 180. You talk about this from a distance in your majority white area of California. Also there aren’t anymore obstacles or anything to overcome anymore than a poor White person. Your choice of words and verbiage let’s me know you’re still cucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,615 Posted 1 hour ago 14 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: nope not at all unless it was rapper and nba stars Weeeelllll.....???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,615 Posted 1 hour ago 15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: I don’t agree. And your position is clearly racist (but you’re one of the few people here willing to admit it so I guess that’s something.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,437 Posted 1 hour ago 13 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: You are one of the worst culprits with this honestly. Go spend a few years in the south and your entire opinion will 180. You talk about this from a distance in your majority white area of California. Also there aren’t anymore obstacles or anything to overcome anymore than a poor White person. Your choice of words and verbiage let’s me know you’re still cucked. Bro I don’t live in a majority white area. I live in San Bernardino county. I don’t believe there is any obstacle for anyone other than not having a father Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted 1 hour ago 16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Laguna Beach is one of the safest cities on Earth: https://ktla.com/news/this-orange-county-coastal-city-named-lowest-for-violent-crime-rate/amp/ Now any one who’s been there knows that Laguna Beach is INCREDIBLY liberal, a bastion of woke in conservative Orange County. So why is it so safe? Answer: it is also an incredibly wealthy area, very expensive to live there. And here is the REAL story: wealthy areas are the safe areas. Crime, especially violent crime, is caused by poverty. Specifically urban poverty. Liberal politics have nothing to do with it. really short sighted commentary, even from you. Yes, of course wealthier areas tend to be the safer areas... safer areas also tend to be the wealthier areas as wealth tends to go where they feel the school systems are better, neighborhood is safer, community is cleaner, etc. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? the wealth or the safety? So yes, I think a case can be made for the politics in a town or city, state playing a major part in things. As for liberal politics, lib/dem is the party of the marginalized. They will always find a way to create new marginalized groups and it is always in their best interest for those groups to continue to feel marginalized in order to garner their vote as people tend to vote for what they feel a party can do for them moving forward, not what they think they have done for them in the past. Libs/dems promise equality (in many shapes and forms), do you really think they want to truly deliver it? Putting politics aside, there are some cultural issues as well. I've talked about this in the past but there are towns around me that are spectacular. Some of the best towns to live in the state. There are also some absolute shiit holes. When you drive through those shiit holes you see trash in the parks, dirty shoes over telephone wires, graffiti on buildings, living room furniture in front yards, etc. I mention some of these things because often the excuse is poverty and systemic racism. I have yet to understand why "systemic racism" and income level would lead to any of the things I mentioned. It takes no money to NOT spray paint buildings. It takes no money to throw your trash in a trash can, keep indoor furniture inside, not litter in general. Community groups can get together and clean up parks. ... but when mom or dad get through medical school and start making money, the first thing they do is "get up out the hood". they don't use their wealth to change the neighborhood, they use it to change neighborhoods. I don't blame them. If I lived in an area where everyone was lazy and apathetic and my surroundings reflected that, once my financial situation changed I would likely choose to leave as well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,701 Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Bro I don’t live in a majority white area. I live in San Bernardino county. I don’t believe there is any obstacle for anyone other than not having a father Just stop blaming socioeconomics on the behavior of blacks. Every other race in the world has their poor people and literally no one else acts like this but blacks. No one glorifies bad behavior the way they do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Hunt 297 Posted 59 minutes ago 16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Laguna Beach is one of the safest cities on Earth: https://ktla.com/news/this-orange-county-coastal-city-named-lowest-for-violent-crime-rate/amp/ Now any one who’s been there knows that Laguna Beach is INCREDIBLY liberal, a bastion of woke in conservative Orange County. So why is it so safe? Answer: it is also an incredibly wealthy area, very expensive to live there. And here is the REAL story: wealthy areas are the safe areas. Crime, especially violent crime, is caused by poverty. Specifically urban poverty. Liberal politics have nothing to do with it. If they are so liberal and WOKE why do they live in their protected little bubble in Laguna Beach? They should be living in Compton or East LA working with the community. Squid and yourself can pound the keyboard all day about racism and injustice yet do nothing in your own communities. I remember when you were carpet bombing the PSF 24-7 Joe Bryant actually told you to take a break and find something more helpful to do with your time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites