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10 hours ago, thegeneral said:

IMO it’s pretty gross all around to try and pin the actions of some mentally ill fockhead to millions of people. We live in a free society so unfortunately this shet is going to occur. 

This guy was a Trump voter, very likely ultra conservative. So what? He’s a lunatic, scumbag leave it at that.

What is important is that all the sane people that make up like 99.99% of the country do their part and not make some game of this and make it worse.

Good post :thumbsup:

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15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t think it’s a “MAGA movement,” but I could certainly see some of the opinions from the shooter being shared by extreme MAGA’s, and IMO it’s noteworthy that the shooter did intentionally target the Mormon church, it’s not like he just went crazy and happened to be near the church.  

Not for nothing but things like polygamy for example probably wouldn’t go over well with folks like Harrison Butker.

Some Christians don't like LDS.  Some Christians are MAGA.  Therefore, this attack was a MAGA thing?  You need help with logic.

Not to mention your own article mentioned that he has struggled with drug addiction, and that he had a relationship with a woman whose family was LDS when he lived in Utah.  Both of which are probably more relevant than "muh MAGA!"

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Known details about the attacker and his potential motives:
  • Hate for the Mormon faith: White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told Fox News that the FBI was investigating Sanford as an individual who "hated people of the Mormon faith". A candidate for city council in a nearby town also told CBS News that Sanford had previously expressed a "particular dislike" for the church, claiming its followers "believe they're above Jesus".
  • Failed relationship: The city council candidate said Sanford told him he had a relationship with an LDS woman in Utah that fell apart after she asked him to get rid of his tattoos and "do all this stuff".
  • Mental health and drug use: Sanford, a Marine veteran who served in the Iraq War, reportedly told the city council candidate he had issues with drugs after returning from deployment.

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Some Christians don't like LDS.  Some Christians are MAGA.  Therefore, this attack was a MAGA thing?  You need help with logic.

Not to mention your own article mentioned that he has struggled with drug addiction, and that he had a relationship with a woman whose family was LDS when he lived in Utah.  Both of which are probably more relevant than "muh MAGA!"

I literally said in the OP that him being MAGA may not have had anything to do with his motivation for the attack.

But he was, in fact, MAGA.

I just find the dichotomy interesting. If a tranny commits a mass shooting, it’s “tHe LeFt WiNg ViOlEnCe Is OuT oF cOnTrOL!!!.”  If a MAGA dude commits a mass shooting, it’s “yeah but him being MAGA isn’t why he did the shooting!!!”

The other interesting dichotomy is the number of posts on the subject.  Likely Democrat mass shooters get probably 5x the posts as likely Republican mass shooters.

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34 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I literally said in the OP that him being MAGA may not have had anything to do with his motivation for the attack.

But he was, in fact, MAGA.

I just find the dichotomy interesting. If a tranny commits a mass shooting, it’s “tHe LeFt WiNg ViOlEnCe Is OuT oF cOnTrOL!!!.”  If a MAGA dude commits a mass shooting, it’s “yeah but him being MAGA isn’t why he did the shooting!!!”

The other interesting dichotomy is the number of posts on the subject.  Likely Democrat mass shooters get probably 5x the posts as likely Republican mass shooters.

He is a liberal freak who is part of the liberal collective. Get rid of him. 

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I literally said in the OP that him being MAGA may not have had anything to do with his motivation for the attack.

But he was, in fact, MAGA.

I just find the dichotomy interesting. If a tranny commits a mass shooting, it’s “tHe LeFt WiNg ViOlEnCe Is OuT oF cOnTrOL!!!.”  If a MAGA dude commits a mass shooting, it’s “yeah but him being MAGA isn’t why he did the shooting!!!”

The other interesting dichotomy is the number of posts on the subject.  Likely Democrat mass shooters get probably 5x the posts as likely Republican mass shooters.

I literally asked for how this was part of the MAGA movement.  You responded with your moderate tripe.  Whether or not he was MAGA is irrelevant.  And you conveniently ignored the parts I referenced about his real issues.

Keep on your moderate ways, Tim.  :thumbsup: 

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

I just find the dichotomy interesting. If a tranny commits a mass shooting, it’s “tHe LeFt WiNg ViOlEnCe Is OuT oF cOnTrOL!!!.”  If a MAGA dude commits a mass shooting, it’s “yeah but him being MAGA isn’t why he did the shooting!!!”

This is it 100%

Anytime a trump supporter commits a mass murder, oh it has nothing to do with Trump.

But somehow I'm responsible for Charlie Kirk's death because he was killed by a "leftist" and the leftist movement needs to stop.

Peak hypocrisy.

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5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I literally asked for how this was part of the MAGA movement.  

Murdering LDS is not part of the maga movement.

Murdering Charlie Kirk is not part of the Democrats movement.

Do you get it?  Or do you need a graphic?

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I literally said in the OP that him being MAGA may not have had anything to do with his motivation for the attack.

But he was, in fact, MAGA.

I just find the dichotomy interesting. If a tranny commits a mass shooting, it’s “tHe LeFt WiNg ViOlEnCe Is OuT oF cOnTrOL!!!.”  If a MAGA dude commits a mass shooting, it’s “yeah but him being MAGA isn’t why he did the shooting!!!”

The other interesting dichotomy is the number of posts on the subject.  Likely Democrat mass shooters get probably 5x the posts as likely Republican mass shooters.

You trolling blatant falsehoods to get a reaction.  Be better.  

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This isn’t a politically motivated shooting because he went after Christians. 
if he had shot up an abortion clinic or shot a Democrat politician then you could make a comparison to the Charlie Kirk shooting but right against left as opposed to Kirk’s shooter being left against right. 

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10 minutes ago, Gepetto said:


if he had … shot a Democrat politician then you could make a comparison to the Charlie Kirk shooting 

Except when that happened GC righties blamed it on leftists too

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18 hours ago, thegeneral said:

IMO it’s pretty gross all around to try and pin the actions of some mentally ill fockhead to millions of people. We live in a free society so unfortunately this shet is going to occur. 

This guy was a Trump voter, very likely ultra conservative. So what? He’s a lunatic, scumbag leave it at that.

What is important is that all the sane people that make up like 99.99% of the country do their part and not make some game of this and make it worse.

Spot on.  Once we agree someone who is transgender has mental illness we will be 100% in agreement.

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7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I literally asked for how this was part of the MAGA movement.  You responded with your moderate tripe.  Whether or not he was MAGA is irrelevant.  And you conveniently ignored the parts I referenced about his real issues.

Keep on your moderate ways, Tim.  :thumbsup: 

 

43 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

This isn’t a politically motivated shooting because he went after Christians. 
if he had shot up an abortion clinic or shot a Democrat politician then you could make a comparison to the Charlie Kirk shooting but right against left as opposed to Kirk’s shooter being left against right. 

So the Anunciation church shooting in Minneapolis was not political either, correct?

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19 hours ago, thegeneral said:

IMO it’s pretty gross all around to try and pin the actions of some mentally ill fockhead to millions of people.

 

57 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Spot on.

 

On 9/10/2025 at 6:23 PM, Alias Detective said:

Why are the left so deranged?

:lol:

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48 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

So the Anunciation church shooting in Minneapolis was not political either, correct?

lol, the usual suspects...

 

On 8/27/2025 at 2:29 PM, HellToupee said:

 The Democrats need to accept some blame

 

On 8/27/2025 at 4:46 PM, HellToupee said:

Today’s killing of Christian children at a church in Minneapolis occurred in the context of a surge in far-left trans propaganda encouraging Trantifa and other leftists to take up arms to kill transphobes and “fascists.”

Their targets: Christians and conservatives. 

 

On 8/27/2025 at 5:54 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

We just need to round up all the lefties and export them to North Korea

 

On 8/27/2025 at 8:05 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hopefully the left can find a solution for this cohort of violence.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Murdering LDS is not part of the maga movement.

Murdering Charlie Kirk is not part of the Democrats movement.

Do you get it?  Or do you need a graphic?

Can you make him a graphic?

I just want to see it

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

 

:lol:

Spot on.  Once we agree someone who is transgender has mental illness we will be 100% in agreement. Glad we agree.  :)

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58 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

lol, the usual suspects...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you make it a habit to eat paint chips when you were a kid

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5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Murdering LDS is not part of the maga movement.

Murdering Charlie Kirk is not part of the Democrats movement.

Do you get it?  Or do you need a graphic?

I asked a general audience question for a memo of how we MAGA folk are supposed to hate on LDS.  Moderate Tim replied to me with a NY Post article saying the shooter was MAGA. Is it fair to presume that he was attempting to provide me such corroboration?  Unfortunately for Tim, his article mentioned that the shooter had substance abuse problems and a relationship with a woman from an LDS family in Utah, so his gotcha, as usual, was an utter phayle.

As for your part, this post will likely be the dumbest thing I'll read on the interwebs today, which is impressive for 8:10 AM my time.  This false equivalency is idiotic.  That being said, I do like how you equate Democrats with MAGA.  I agree that the platform of the far Left has increasingly made it into mainstream Democrat views.  :thumbsup: 

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I asked a general audience question for a memo of how we MAGA folk are supposed to hate on LDS.  Moderate Tim replied to me with a NY Post article saying the shooter was MAGA. Is it fair to presume that he was attempting to provide me such corroboration?  Unfortunately for Tim, his article mentioned that the shooter had substance abuse problems and a relationship with a woman from an LDS family in Utah, so his gotcha, as usual, was an utter phayle.

As for your part, this post will likely be the dumbest thing I'll read on the interwebs today, which is impressive for 8:10 AM my time.  This false equivalency is idiotic.  That being said, I do like how you equate Democrats with MAGA.  I agree that the platform of the far Left has increasingly made it into mainstream Democrat views.  :thumbsup: 

Replying with that article alone was a bit of a troll, I did not mean to imply that the shooter’s motivation for the shooting had to do with MAGA, as I specifically said in the OP.   But as I noted, hating Mormons probably isn’t incredibly unique among extreme far right folks.  Here’s an old article for example talking about other Christians attacking Mitt Romney for being Mormon:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormons-beliefs-once-again-under-attack

Again, my main point is to point out the hypocrisy of folks who attack “the left” if a tranny commits a mass shooting for example.  Maybe a better title for the thread to point out this comparison would have been “MAGA is a mental illness”?

Speaking of, I’m a bit confused by your comment about “equating Democrats with MAGA.”  Are you saying MAGA isn’t mainstream among Republicans (not all Republicans are MAGA, but many are).

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Replying with that article alone was a bit of a troll, I did not mean to imply that the shooter’s motivation for the shooting had to do with MAGA, as I specifically said in the OP.   But as I noted, hating Mormons probably isn’t incredibly unique among extreme far right folks.  Here’s an old article for example talking about other Christians attacking Mitt Romney for being Mormon:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormons-beliefs-once-again-under-attack

Again, my main point is to point out the hypocrisy of folks who attack “the left” if a tranny commits a mass shooting for example.  Maybe a better title for the thread to point out this comparison would have been “MAGA is a mental illness”?

Speaking of, I’m a bit confused by your comment about “equating Democrats with MAGA.”  Are you saying MAGA isn’t mainstream among Republicans (not all Republicans are MAGA, but many are).

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22 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

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That’s it. Just mock this clown. He’s the worst poster ever. I would like newbie and Rusty and worms and others I went at it with to return. I wish this ruiner of every thread he posts in would just GTFO of here. 

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On 9/29/2025 at 12:55 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Liberals have made it ok to attack Christians. You see it here all the time. The belittling and ridicule is out of control.  

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I think this thread has served the useful purpose of showing everyone how hopelessly absurd it is to obsess over the political leanings of cold-blooded murderers. Hopefully it is the last of its kind.

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Just now, Fnord said:

I think this thread has served the useful purpose of showing everyone how hopelessly absurd it is to obsess over the political leanings of cold-blooded murderers. Hopefully it is the last of its kind.

Until the next time a tranny or someone who once voted for a Democrat commits one and then we will be lectured about the left’s violence problem 

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8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I think this thread has served the useful purpose of showing everyone how hopelessly absurd it is to obsess over the political leanings of cold-blooded murderers. Hopefully it is the last of its kind.

Are you new here? :lol: 

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Also worth noting that in regards to this incident in particular that many on social media quickly jumped to the conclusion based on nothing that a Muslim committed this attack.   Since the first thread here about it was deleted I don’t recall if anyone here did that.

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Replying with that article alone was a bit of a troll, I did not mean to imply that the shooter’s motivation for the shooting had to do with MAGA, as I specifically said in the OP.   But as I noted, hating Mormons probably isn’t incredibly unique among extreme far right folks.  Here’s an old article for example talking about other Christians attacking Mitt Romney for being Mormon:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormons-beliefs-once-again-under-attack

Again, my main point is to point out the hypocrisy of folks who attack “the left” if a tranny commits a mass shooting for example.  Maybe a better title for the thread to point out this comparison would have been “MAGA is a mental illness”?

Speaking of, I’m a bit confused by your comment about “equating Democrats with MAGA.”  Are you saying MAGA isn’t mainstream among Republicans (not all Republicans are MAGA, but many are).

Your entire thread is a troll, look at the title.

The problem with your analogy is that the Left (including the MSDNC) has created an environment of acceptance of violence from intersectional folks including trans (as an example, see the Summer of Love).  People like Real Tim foolishly believe that the only reason trans people have such a high percentage of mental health comorbidities is because normies are mean to them.  So they don't get the help they so sorely need.  And of course, words are violence, so the Left accepts that such marginalized people may respond with actual violence.

Before you point out some Democrat in Peoria who doesn't feel that way, I'm not saying everyone on the Left endorses it.  I'm saying it is part of the larger belief system in place.

Finally, I acknowledge that a majority of Republicans associate with MAGA, but I don't think it means the same thing to them as it does to Gutter.  Gutter thinks all MAGAs worship Trump and would accept any behavior of his.  I don't believe that is true for 70% of Republicans.  So my comment was wrt Gutter MAGA, not Real MAGA.

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Your entire thread is a troll, look at the title.

The problem with your analogy is that the Left (including the MSDNC) has created an environment of acceptance of violence from intersectional folks including trans (as an example, see the Summer of Love).  People like Real Tim foolishly believe that the only reason trans people have such a high percentage of mental health comorbidities is because normies are mean to them.  So they don't get the help they so sorely need.  And of course, words are violence, so the Left accepts that such marginalized people may respond with actual violence.

Before you point out some Democrat in Peoria who doesn't feel that way, I'm not saying everyone on the Left endorses it.  I'm saying it is part of the larger belief system in place.

Finally, I acknowledge that a majority of Republicans associate with MAGA, but I don't think it means the same thing to them as it does to Gutter.  Gutter thinks all MAGAs worship Trump and would accept any behavior of his.  I don't believe that is true for 70% of Republicans.  So my comment was wrt Gutter MAGA, not Real MAGA.

Wait, you think the left has “an acceptance of violence,” but call me the troll?  Lol, you are not a serious poster.

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wait, you think the left has “an acceptance of violence,” but call me the troll?  Lol, you are not a serious poster.

I stand by everything I said.  It's not my fault that you are too moderate to see it.

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wait, you think the left has “an acceptance of violence,” but call me the troll?  Lol, you are not a serious poster.

No he's not.  He just repeats what Trump tells him, and then he has the balls to say he doesn't worship Trump lol.

Yes, all magas love Trump.  Not all Trump voters are "magas".  Not all republicans are "magas"

The republican party that is running washington, 95% of them are lock step with Trump and do whatever he says.  There is virtually no independent thought with the party.

If you say things like MSDNC and "the left" endorses violence, then are a braindead troll in the maga cult.  I'm sorry but it's the truth.

And of course these same cultists will accuse me of being in a cult, but I don't worship the DNC.  I hate Chuck Schumer.  I think the democrats are terrible.  Kamala was a flawed candidate.  Biden was too old to run.

I don't follow party.  I believe in America, the rule of law, checks and balances, country over party, character, morals, treating people with respect, being honest and just.

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s it. Just mock this clown. He’s the worst poster ever. I would like newbie and Rusty and worms and others I went at it with to return. I wish this ruiner of every thread he posts in would just GTFO of here. 

ShoHack is so much better on ignore.  I only have to read his bullsh!t when you of you quotes him but he proved a long time ago he's more worthless than a cumstain.

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2 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

ShoHack is so much better on ignore.  I only have to read his bullsh!t when you of you quotes him but he proved a long time ago he's more worthless than a cumstain.

^how many times have you talked about having me on ignore?   1,000 maybe?  I sure do take up a lot of space in your brain (same with Lying Troubador), I’m flattered.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Also worth noting that in regards to this incident in particular that many on social media quickly jumped to the conclusion based on nothing that a Muslim committed this attack.   Since the first thread here about it was deleted I don’t recall if anyone here did that.

Pattern Recognition.   

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

The problem with your analogy is that the Left (including the MSDNC) has created an environment of acceptance of violence from intersectional folks including trans (as an example, see the Summer of Love). 

Not so long ago you took umbrage at me using the word Turnip instead of Trump. Your MSDNC slag is equally stupid and far more tired.

What it sounds like you're saying here is that lefties just accept violence without consideration, and that trannies are so inherently violent and warped that they're more prone toward committing acts of violence. Which "the left" then effectively cheers on. Am I misinterpreting?

 Trans people are 4X more likely to be victimized violently than the average person. You're suggesting that these people WOULDN'T be positively influenced by less violence being perpetrated against them? Violence, I will add, that is much more likely to be committed by those of a certain political affiliation than others.

To me, it seems for all the world that MAGA (and in this instance, that DOES include you) have no qualms with that violence, since these folks are just irreparably broken and societally dangerous. They have successfully been dehumanized and "othered" by this admin and it's adherents. We read as much every day here. Overwhelming support for taking away their healthcare, their ability to serve their country, to villainize and ostracize. It's gross.

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3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Wait, you think the left has “an acceptance of violence,” but call me the troll?  Lol, you are not a serious poster.

The left does.  

Left run governments allowed riots to go unchecked for a summer because they thought it would win them votes.  When they realized it wouldn't they policed the riots away in days.

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31 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Not so long ago you took umbrage at me using the word Turnip instead of Trump. Your MSDNC slag is equally stupid and far more tired.

What it sounds like you're saying here is that lefties just accept violence without consideration, and that trannies are so inherently violent and warped that they're more prone toward committing acts of violence. Which "the left" then effectively cheers on. Am I misinterpreting?

 Trans people are 4X more likely to be victimized violently than the average person. You're suggesting that these people WOULDN'T be positively influenced by less violence being perpetrated against them? Violence, I will add, that is much more likely to be committed by those of a certain political affiliation than others.

To me, it seems for all the world that MAGA (and in this instance, that DOES include you) have no qualms with that violence, since these folks are just irreparably broken and societally dangerous. They have successfully been dehumanized and "othered" by this admin and it's adherents. We read as much every day here. Overwhelming support for taking away their healthcare, their ability to serve their country, to villainize and ostracize. It's gross.

The difference between Turnip and MSDNC is that Turnip is just an insult, whereas MSDNC is rooted in the incontrovertible fact that the main stream media is a mouthpiece for the Left.  But muh Fox$#@! :cry:  I see you Fox and raise you ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NPR, and every major newspaper not named the NY Post (until recent purchases, anyway).

I've never said anything like "so inherently violent and warped" regarding trans people.  I'm disappointed you think so.  It is known, however, that trans people have significant comorbidities with mental health issues.  I also never said that the Left cheers them on, but they certainly make excuses for them.  I didn't post much at FBG, but one timeout I got was when I said regarding CHAZ and Portland during the Summer of Love, that the Left's opinion was "what are you going to do, animals gonna animal."  It was misinterpreted by some turd mod as me calling them animals, but I digress... heck, you made excuses in your next paragraph...

... which is crap.  The biggest abusers, actual abusers, are likely their romantic partners.  Yes, some parents are not accepting, but those same parents are not accepting of gay kids, and there doesn't seem to be that same problem.  You claim to know a bunch of good old boys up near Buffalo; do they get together on the weekends to drive around looking for trans people to abuse?  Didn't think so. Oh, did they get bullied in HS?  You know who else gets bullied in HS?  Everyone.  HS is just one big Lord of the Flies where hormones rule the land.  Fat kids, skinny kids, smart kids, dumb kids, you name a trait, I'll show you a way to make fun of the person for it.  

Finally, I have always maintained a personal respect for trans individuals while strongly objecting to the social contagion of the movement.  Heck, 90sbaby calls me a Rockefeller Republican because I'm not "based" enough for him regarding trans folks.  There are specific, valid objections to trans people in the military and "healthcare," but I've already diluted this more than a shaken martini.

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