US Federal Government Shutdown Thread

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

The choice he gives is you either give money to Argentina or allow poor americans to eat.  Then claims it's not a false dichotomy.   

 

No I'm not giving a choice, dummy.  Both are possible.  But skids is ok with funding Argentina but not with funding healthcare.

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I would like one of the many Trump supporters in this forum to offer a serious defense of what the administration is doing, right now, in real time, to hold back on sending SNAP payments. Not only are the optics terrible (perhaps the worst ever optics for a President in my lifetime) it seems morally wrong to withhold funds for this program so long as the money remains available. But go ahead please defend this if you can. 

They can't, they won't, they will offer strawmen and deflect.  They are awful people.

[The Real timschochet 7,457]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

No I'm not giving a choice, dummy.  Both are possible.  But skids is ok with funding Argentina but not with funding healthcare.

They are using the mention of Argentina to avoid having to defend the real issue here: that Trump is purposefully withholding SNAP funds because he believes it will punish Democrats and force them to surrender on the shutdown. 

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

They are using the mention of Argentina to avoid having to defend the real issue here: that Trump is purposefully withholding SNAP funds because he believes it will punish Democrats and force them to surrender on the shutdown. 

Agreed.  The only reason I brought up Argentina because they've said, we don't have the money and we can't fund anything during a shutdown.  Both lies.

[The Real timschochet 7,457]

My new 3 part solution to ending the shutdown: 

1. The Nobel committee announces immediately that Trump will be the recipient of next year’s peace prize; it’s already been decided, and that it was a unanimous decision,  first time ever. 
 

2. The Washington Commanders announce that the new stadium will be named Trump stadium. 
 

3. The SNAP program will be renamed the “Trump SNAP Program”. 
 

If we can get these all done the shutdown will be over in a matter of minutes. 

[The Real timschochet 7,457]

New poll: 50% of the public blame Republicans for the shutdown, 42% blame Democrats: 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/09/trump-approval-rating-falls-in-new-poll-democrats-2026-stock-rises/87181915007/

According to @jerryskids this is only because the MSM, under the control of the DNC, tells the public what to think. That’s one explanation I suppose. Another might be that the public is watching what is happening and making up their own minds based on what they’re seeing and experiencing. 

[Grace Under Pressure 169]

Trump and the MAGA inner circle republicans ruining air travel for Americans while allowing private jets to operate unfettered isn’t even about the shutdown.

Trump and the Mar-a-lago crowd fly private. They don’t want you, MAGA rally goers included, but really just anyone besides them, to fly safely and orderly. That’s for them. In their opinion, they pay for you to fly safely. And they don’t want to do that for you anymore.

[seafoam1 3,416]

Just now, Grace Under Pressure said:

Trump and the MAGA 

Poor princess rusty...

[TimHauck 3,309]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Wut?  It gives them more money than if the extension wasn't included in the OBBB.   

Lol you’re dumb

[The Real timschochet 7,457]

So this article is filled with MAGA folks upset with Trump because they’re not getting SNAP benefits. One woman in a MAGA sweatshirt went beserk at a store because there was no money on her EBT card: 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/f-king-warned-maga-supporters-164108482.html

The second half of the article is filled with non-MAGA responses which are not exactly sympathetic: “We focking warned you, this is what you voted for.” I don’t share that sentiment. So what if these folks voted for Trump and continue to support him? They don’t deserve to suffer or go hungry. Nobody does. I despise people who take pleasure out of the suffering of others. 

[squistion 2,538]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So this article is filled with MAGA folks upset with Trump because they’re not getting SNAP benefits. One woman in a MAGA sweatshirt went beserk at a store because there was no money on her EBT card: 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/f-king-warned-maga-supporters-164108482.html

The second half of the article is filled with non-MAGA responses which are not exactly sympathetic: “We focking warned you, this is what you voted for.” I don’t share that sentiment. So what if these folks voted for Trump and continue to support him? They don’t deserve to suffer or go hungry. Nobody does. I despise people who take pleasure out of the suffering of others. 

Well, from his first term as POTUS, they knew (or should have known) that Trump is lacking the emphathy gene and is completey indifferent to human suffering - so, in a sense, that is what they voted for, although they certainly never expected the consequences to directly impact them. 

No they don't deserve to suffer but what is playing out was foreseeable IMO.

[jerryskids 7,085]

38 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lol you’re dumb

Lololol!

More serious discussion!

[jerryskids 7,085]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

No I'm not giving a choice, dummy.  Both are possible.  But skids is ok with funding Argentina but not with funding healthcare.

I didn't say that, dummy.  In fact, I specifically laid out how I would do it.  But you think finding a Leftie boondoggle to pay for it is a strawman, because you want to focus on muh Argentina!  It's the only alternative to you, but it's not a false dichotomy.   

[The Real timschochet 7,457]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't say that, dummy.  In fact, I specifically laid out how I would do it.  But you think finding a Leftie boondoggle to pay for it is a strawman, because you want to focus on muh Argentina!  It's the only alternative to you, but it's not a false dichotomy.   

Rather than keep going back to this side issue, care to comment on the Trump decision to withhold SNAP payments? 

[Strike 6,023]

New deal.on the table.  Apparently has enough Dem support to pass.  

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

22 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't say that, dummy.  In fact, I specifically laid out how I would do it.  But you think finding a Leftie boondoggle to pay for it is a strawman, because you want to focus on muh Argentina!  It's the only alternative to you, but it's not a false dichotomy.   

No it's not the only alternative

Where did I say it's the only alternative?  YOU made that up.

So now you're gonna deny that you approve of the Argentina currency swap?  Would be good if you were actually man enough to take a position on it.  Guess we'll never know.

[nobody 2,884]

7 minutes ago, Strike said:

New deal.on the table.  Apparently has enough Dem support to pass.  

I hope not.  The more they cry about a program that is clearly rife with corruption, the more I want it to stay shut down.

[The Real timschochet 7,457]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

New deal.on the table.  Apparently has enough Dem support to pass.  

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/09/senate-deal-to-end-government-shutdown-sunday-vote
 

“It would include a December vote to extend ACA benefits for 1 year”. 
 

Good enough. A compromise on both sides, nobody is seen as caving. (And a victory for Democrats since we all know that Republicans won’t dare vote publicly to reject the ACA unless it’s part of a larger deal.) 

Let’s get it done. 

[jerryskids 7,085]

17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No it's not the only alternative

Where did I say it's the only alternative?  YOU made that up.

So now you're gonna deny that you approve of the Argentina currency swap?  Would be good if you were actually man enough to take a position on it.  Guess we'll never know.

I never said I was against it. Everything I've said is being for it.  Are you drunk?  You are making no sense.

[Grace Under Pressure 169]

So Dems are just gonna cave. So what was the shutdown for lmao?

Cowards. That “vote in the future” is a Lucy, Charlie Brown and football moment waiting to happen. 

[MDC 7,887]

17 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

So Dems are just gonna cave. So what was the shutdown for lmao?

Cowards. That “vote in the future” is a Lucy, Charlie Brown and football moment waiting to happen. 

I figured they wanted to get Trump and the GOP on record again for letting the ACA subsidies expire so they can blame them when healthcare premiums spike.

They had to know Trump doesn’t GAF.

[Grace Under Pressure 169]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I figured they wanted to get Trump and the GOP on record again for letting the ACA subsidies expire so they can blame them when healthcare premiums spike.

They had to know Trump doesn’t GAF.

They allowed for a lot of chaos, some of which won’t get fixed.

Don’t be surprised when air travel isn’t put back to normal.

Dumb strategy. Backfired.

[MDC 7,887]

5 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

They allowed for a lot of chaos, some of which won’t get fixed.

Don’t be surprised when air travel isn’t put back to normal.

Dumb strategy. Backfired.

Well, they are democrats. They’re not known for good strategy.  

[The Real timschochet 7,457]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Well, they are democrats. They’re not known for good strategy.  

I think the strategy was fine. I don’t think it backfired at all given public opinion. I think they’re going to get the government open AND the ACA extension eventually, in about a month. 
It probably would have backfired if they allowed the shutdown to continue much longer. Hopefully the compromise is real. 

[weepaws 3,350]

Day nine Americans held captive by dictator trump.   Shame. 

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I never said I was against it. Everything I've said is being for it.  Are you drunk?  You are making no sense.

So you approve spending $20B on aregntina pesos but disapprove of spending $20B to provide Americans healthcare.

Wow.

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think the strategy was fine. I don’t think it backfired at all given public opinion. I think they’re going to get the government open AND the ACA extension eventually, in about a month. 
It probably would have backfired if they allowed the shutdown to continue much longer. Hopefully the compromise is real. 

They're not gonna get anything.  America lost.

[5-Points 3,766]

Lefties lamenting the fact that, under Trump, the right has adopted their negotiating tactics. Demand everything and give nothing. 

I don't care what anybody says, this place is awesome! 

 

[jerryskids 7,085]

18 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So you approve spending $20B on aregntina pesos but disapprove of spending $20B to provide Americans healthcare.

Wow.

I've explained my proposal for subsidies extension several times.  And again with the false dichotomy.  Mix in some water Gutter, this is embarrassing for you.

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

35 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I've explained my proposal for subsidies extension several times.  And again with the false dichotomy.  Mix in some water Gutter, this is embarrassing for you.

It's not a dichotomy you idiot.  Google false dichotomy and stop being stupid.  We have enough money to fund both.  You only want to fund Argentina.

Stop accusing people of being drunk when you're not smart enough to understand words.

[HellToupee 2,229]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

You only want to fund Argentina.

It was a currency swap , numbnuts. Google currency swap and stop being stupid

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

14 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

It was a currency swap , numbnuts. Google currency swap and stop being stupid

Look at the chart for the Argentina peso, then shut your mouth.

[HellToupee 2,229]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Look at the chart for the Argentina peso, then shut your mouth.

Stop being such a chump

https://buenosairesherald.com/economics/argentine-economists-believe-the-us-treasury-has-already-sold-its-pesos/amp

“Now, analysts have told the Herald that the U.S. appears to have either sold the pesos or converted them into part of the swap money, thereby activating it. Either option would result in a profit for the U.S.“

[FrancieFootball 162]

Looks like they have a deal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/09/government-funding-deal-on-track-to-advance-sunday-night-00644110

[The Real timschochet 7,457]

Deal had been agreed to. I know some progressives are disappointed, I disagree. I think this is a win for everyone, 

There will be a vote in December to extend the ACA subsidies for a year. I believe it will pass, but if Republicans vote against they’re just screwing fhemselves more for next November. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,449]

2 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

Looks like they have a deal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/09/government-funding-deal-on-track-to-advance-sunday-night-00644110

Trans Women are Men 

[Ron_Artest 2,224]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Deal had been agreed to. I know some progressives are disappointed, I disagree. I think this is a win for everyone, 

There will be a vote in December to extend the ACA subsidies for a year. I believe it will pass, but if Republicans vote against they’re just screwing fhemselves more for next November. 

There will not be a vote in December.

Happy for those that can now get paid.

Happy that the house will.go back in session and we'll get the Epstein files.

[Maximum Overkill 2,449]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

There will not be a vote in December.

Happy for those that can now get paid.

Happy that the house will.go back in session and we'll get the Epstein files.

No deal yet D-Bag

Trump still has to sign it 

[HellToupee 2,229]

Sounds like senate Dems caved

[HellToupee 2,229]

Burnie is throwing a hissy fit