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[Maximum Overkill 2,409]

12 hours ago, peenie said:

I’m not going to quote you @Voltaire  only to save space. The facts are always presented in a way to make it seem like white people aren’t the most. It’s the same with inmates and every other stat. Instead of looking at the numbers, let’s look at the percentages of the demographic and do all sorts of shenanigans to look away from the main point; whites are the most getting food stamps, welfare and are the most in jail. 

To put salve on the wound, the story is told this way: blacks have a higher percentage of their population on welfare, receiving food stamps and in jail than whites. Why is the stat told that way? 

If you then say, well whites are still the majority and that’s the reason why they are the most receiving benefits well then I am going to come back with well blacks were slaves for hundreds of years, denied income, land and education and until recently, quite unable to move upward in society due segregation and lack of resources to good education, health services and jobs. You don’t want to hear all of that anymore than I want to hear the convoluted way the stats are presented in order to dim the fact that whites are in fact the face of poverty and crime but politicians and the media has convinced the world otherwise, hence the entire conversation on the matter. Hence people talking about illegal immigrants getting handouts instead of their dad or sister. 

And I say all of this as a way WE should be unified. It’s like you guys are blind, election after election blind to your own needs. 

How do the poorest states that need the most help vote against getting help when in fact they are receiving the most help. Make it make sense!! 

You need to speak with Schumer. He doesn't want to help people of color. He's a Nazi, waging genocide on your people. 

[shadrap 253]

19 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This lie started long before Trump. Rush Limbaugh told them the only people getting food stamps were lazy blacks and illegal Mexicans. Now they accept it as gospel. You can keep telling them the truth but they’ll never accept it. 

so no link to Rush saying this?  Did you just decide make it up like the white guy stabbing a black guy on a bus in LA?

[Voltaire 5,467]

10 minutes ago, peenie said:

I’m not going to quote you @Voltaire  only to save space. The facts are always presented in a way to make it seem like white people aren’t the most. It’s the same with inmates and every other stat. Instead of looking at the numbers, let’s look at the percentages of the demographic and do all sorts of shenanigans to look away from the main point; whites are the most getting food stamps, welfare and are the most in jail. 

To put salve on the wound, the story is told this way: blacks have a higher percentage of their population on welfare, receiving food stamps and in jail than whites. Why is the stat told that way? 

If you then say, well whites are still the majority and that’s the reason why they are the most receiving benefits well then I am going to come back with well blacks were slaves for hundreds of years, denied income, land and education and until recently, quite unable to move upward in society due segregation and lack of resources to good education, health services and jobs. You don’t want to hear all of that anymore than I want to hear the convoluted way the stats are presented in order to dim the fact that whites are in fact the face of poverty and crime but politicians and the media has convinced the world otherwise, hence the entire conversation on the matter. Hence people talking about illegal immigrants getting handouts instead of their dad or sister. 

And I say all of this as a way WE should be unified. It’s like you guys are blind, election after election blind to your own needs. 

How do the poorest states that need the most help vote against getting help when in fact they are receiving the most help. Make it make sense!! 

The facts I just posted are themselves presented showing that whites make up the majority of SNAP recipients. Whites are at 35%, significantly more that the second and third largest racial group. If this is the point that you are making, I think everyone here agrees.

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

6 hours ago, shadrap said:

please provide link where  "Rush Limbaugh told them the only people getting food stamps were lazy blacks and illegal Mexicans".

Feel free to Google “Rush Limbaugh and food stamps” and be prepared for about a thousand offensive quotes in this general direction. My favorite is probably this one: 

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/rush_limbaugh_454800

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

Or here’s one when Limbaugh claimed that the real purpose of food stamps is “reparations for slavery”: 

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/colorofchange-takes-on-rush-limbaugh-and-gop-racism/

[HellToupee 2,173]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Feel free to Google “Rush Limbaugh and food stamps” and be prepared for about a thousand offensive quotes in this general direction. My favorite is probably this one: 

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/rush_limbaugh_454800

So you can’t find that quote 

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

And this article refers to Limbaugh suggesting that food stamps are a means to increase illegal immigration- the “Lazy Mexican” part: 

https://wildcat.arizona.edu/99132/uncategorized/food-stamp-fallacy-an-insult-to-mexican-americans/

[shadrap 253]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Feel free to Google “Rush Limbaugh and food stamps” and be prepared for about a thousand offensive quotes in this general direction. My favorite is probably this one: 

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/rush_limbaugh_454800

as I thought, he didn't say "Rush Limbaugh told them the only people getting food stamps were lazy blacks and illegal Mexicans".

You made it up.

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

I’ll stop there because I don’t like to speak ill of the dead- whether it’s Rush Limbaugh or Charlie Kirk. But my point stands- conservatives have held false views about food stamp recipients for a long time which border on racism. That’s why @peenie’s posts in this thread have been so accurate and so important. She is setting the record straight. 

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

as I thought, he didn't say "Rush Limbaugh told them the only people getting food stamps were lazy blacks and illegal Mexicans".

You made it up.

I didn’t make it up. Did he say that exact line? No and I never claimed he did. Did he heavily imply that argument on a constant basis? Yes, as shown. Did conservatives lap it up and still do? Yes as shown in this very thread. 

[HellToupee 2,173]

On 10/27/2025 at 9:19 PM, peenie said:

WHITES ARE THE LARGEST DEMOGRAPHIC RECEIVING FOOD STAMPS AND WELFARE. 

Snap —-35% white , black 26%

population - 59.3% white , black 12.6%

 

can you figure the math out?

[HellToupee 2,173]

Meanwhile keep your head on a swivel 

 

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

9 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Snap —-35% white , black 26%

population - 59.3% white , black 12.6%

 

can you figure the math out?

Yes black Americans remain among the poorest of Americans. Historically black Americans have also been the most mistreated of Americans along with native Americans who are also among the poorest of Americans. 

Isn’t it obvious at this point that there is a connection between the mistreatment of these people and their economic plight? Unless you believe that there is an inherent reason for their poverty (the definition of racism). 

[HellToupee 2,173]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Unless you believe that there is an inherent reason for their poverty

The government found a way to keep people on welfare impoverished. It’s also currently happening with student loan debt

[nobody 2,870]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Isn’t it obvious at this point that there is a connection between the mistreatment of these people and their economic plight?

The systemic racism of low expectations and handouts is certainly a contributing factor.  I wish your team would stop doing that.

 

[shadrap 253]

28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I didn’t make it up. Did he say that exact line? No and I never claimed he did. Did he heavily imply that argument on a constant basis? Yes, as shown. Did conservatives lap it up and still do? Yes as shown in this very thread. 

yes, YOU DID claim he did sat THIS:  "Rush Limbaugh told them the only people getting food stamps were lazy blacks and illegal Mexicans".  He didn't say that, and for you to say he did and then do a backflip to extrapolate that you didn't from your links is, well............ predictable and very disingenuous.  You lied to make a point. 

just accept it and move on.

 

[supermike80 2,070]

50 minutes ago, shadrap said:

yes, YOU DID claim he did sat THIS:  "Rush Limbaugh told them the only people getting food stamps were lazy blacks and illegal Mexicans".  He didn't say that, and for you to say he did and then do a backflip to extrapolate that you didn't from your links is, well............ predictable and very disingenuous.  You lied to make a point. 

just accept it and move on.

 

Glad im not the only one that sees that guy for what he is

[peenie 1,949]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

Snap —-35% white , black 26%

population - 59.3% white , black 12.6%

 

can you figure the math out?

But why is the second stat needed? This was my point about the chart about immigrants receiving SNAP and how this framing is also done when discussing the inmate population. 

Why the jump from the demographics of SNAP recipients do we then go to the population of that particular group in the United States? What is the purpose, other than to make the impact lessen the reality or switch the topic away from the fact that whites are the majority. 
Explain the purpose of the second stat….

[nobody 2,870]

4 minutes ago, peenie said:

But why is the second stat needed? This was my point about the chart about immigrants receiving SNAP and how this framing is also done when discussing the inmate population. 

Why the jump from the demographics of SNAP recipients do we then go to the population of that particular group in the United States? What is the purpose, other than to make the impact lessen the reality or switch the topic away from the fact that whites are the majority. 
Explain the purpose of the second stat….

Because the per capita stats should be uniform across demographics.  

[Ron_Artest 2,159]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Because the per capita stats should be uniform across demographics.  

If everything among the races was fair.  It's obviously not.

[Voltaire 5,467]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes black Americans remain among the poorest of Americans. Historically black Americans have also been the most mistreated of Americans along with native Americans who are also among the poorest of Americans. 

Isn’t it obvious at this point that there is a connection between the mistreatment of these people and their economic plight? Unless you believe that there is an inherent reason for their poverty (the definition of racism). 

While the Jim Crow situation set them back for generations, it has not only been non-existed for the entire lifetimes of anyone under 60, but was instead replaced for the last 60 years with racial preferences. Rising from a lower starting point is only one factor. The breakdown of the traditional families specifically absentee fatherhood, lack of quality adult community role models, low quality schools, the high crime rates, prevalence of substance abuse, glamorization of crime and lower priority of education in culture all play a part as well.

The reason African and black Caribbean immigrants excel rather than suffer from the same levels of malfeasance that our domestic black population encounters should prove to you that ongoing (anti-black) racial discrimination is no longer an inhibiting factor. Outcomes vary... Nigerian and Ghanan immigrants tend to do exceedingly well, while Somalis seem to have brought the rampant corruption and scamming with them from their failed culture.

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

16 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Glad im not the only one that sees that guy for what he is

It’s a waste of my time to have arguments with people who refuse to accept nuance and implication. If you choose to see me as a liar go ahead. It only highlights your narrowness and limitations while failing to impugn my honesty. 

[BrahmaBulls 914]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s a waste of my time to have arguments with people who refuse to accept nuance and implication. If you choose to see me as a liar go ahead. It only highlights your narrowness and limitations while failing to impugn my honesty. 

A lof of people see you as a liar because you are a liar.

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

While the Jim Crow situation set them back for generations, it has not only been non-existed for the entire lifetimes of anyone under 60, but was instead replaced for the last 60 years with racial preferences. Rising from a lower starting point is only one factor. The breakdown of the traditional families specifically absentee fatherhood, lack of quality adult community role models, low quality schools, the high crime rates, prevalence of substance abuse, glamorization of crime and lower priority of education in culture all play a part as well.

The reason African and black Caribbean immigrants excel rather than suffer from the same levels of malfeasance that our domestic black population encounters should prove to you that ongoing (anti-black) racial discrimination is no longer an inhibiting factor. Outcomes vary... Nigerian and Ghanan immigrants tend to do exceedingly well, while Somalis seem to have brought the rampant corruption and scamming with them from their culture.

You make an interesting point about recent African immigrants. There are certainly long lasting cultural elements among American blacks that contribute to their problems more than any current racism that exists- (though I do believe that current racism DOES exist and is still a factor) and you list most of them- high crime rates, single family homes, glamorization of crime, etc. 

However my argument is that all of these problems were created by the history- 300 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow- and therefore it is still our collective responsibility to fix. The white conservative always says to me, “it’s been 50 years since the Civil Rights Act and I had nothing to do with Jim Crow. Why is this my problem, and when does it stop being my problem?” My answer is never. It will always be our problem and our responsibility. 

[The Real timschochet 7,385]

1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

A lof of people see you as a liar because you are a liar.

Not a lot of people- the same 4-5 people. 
 

Yourself 

@shadrap

@seafoam1

@supermike80

@Strike

Probably a couple of others. You all have a few other things in common as well. 

[Voltaire 5,467]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You make an interesting point about recent African immigrants. There are certainly long lasting cultural elements among American blacks that contribute to their problems more than any current racism that exists- (though I do believe that current racism DOES exist and is still a factor) and you list most of them- high crime rates, single family homes, glamorization of crime, etc. 

However my argument is that all of these problems were created by the history- 300 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow- and therefore it is still our collective responsibility to fix. The white conservative always says to me, “it’s been 50 years since the Civil Rights Act and I had nothing to do with Jim Crow. Why is this my problem, and when does it stop being my problem?” My answer is never. It will always be our problem and our responsibility. 

The way forward is, and should always have been, to treat everyone equally as individuals based on their own character and not on their skin color. The opportunity is there, take it. If/when the opportunity is not there... yes, that is our collective civic responsibility to fix.

[peenie 1,949]

You all don’t see the shift? You start talking about black, black, black, black and then this poverty issue is shifted. It’s not about your brother or your father or your neighbor. It becomes distant and therefore not about you, it’s about those lazy criminals or undeserving immigrants over there. And then you don’t have sympathy and vote against giving help because you don’t want to help them in the projects over there. Jim Crow, blah, blah, blah…. Why is the pretty blonde girl on food stamps? Why is the blue eyed young man on food stamps? Why is the white family of 4 where the dad is working on food stamps? 
New Mexico has the highest number of its residents receiving food stamps. Talk about that.

Oregon, South Dakota, Alaska, Oklahoma…. Discuss those people in those states. 

[nobody 2,870]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

You all don’t see the shift? You start talking about black, black, black, black and then this poverty issue is shifted. It’s not about your brother or your father or your neighbor. It becomes distant and therefore not about you, it’s about those lazy criminals or undeserving immigrants over there. And then you don’t have sympathy and vote against giving help because you don’t want to help them in the projects over there. Jim Crow, blah, blah, blah…. Why is the pretty blonde girl on food stamps? Why is the blue eyed young man on food stamps? Why is the white family of 4 where the dad is working on food stamps? 
New Mexico has the highest number of its residents receiving food stamps. Talk about that.

Oregon, South Dakota, Alaska, Oklahoma…. Discuss those people in those states. 

Peenie, no one here was even talking about black people on SNAP until you came in.  You are the one that came in talking about black black black black black.

 

[Voltaire 5,467]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

New Mexico has the highest number of its residents receiving food stamps. Talk about that.

 

I'm not convinced that a deep dive into why so many people from New Mexico  receive SNAP benefits would go in the direction you would want it to go.

But that aside, and my memory is pretty short on this, so I may be wrong, but I get the sense that Nobody is right about how the racial breakdown of SNAP benefit  recipients wasn't being discussed until you brought it up and harped on it.

[Voltaire 5,467]

On 10/28/2025 at 12:13 PM, Maximum Overkill said:

And Joe Biden was not demented 

Hypocriting again 

[Maximum Overkill 2,409]

8 hours ago, peenie said:

You all don’t see the shift? You start talking about black, black, black, black and then this poverty issue is shifted. It’s not about your brother or your father or your neighbor. It becomes distant and therefore not about you, it’s about those lazy criminals or undeserving immigrants over there. And then you don’t have sympathy and vote against giving help because you don’t want to help them in the projects over there. Jim Crow, blah, blah, blah…. Why is the pretty blonde girl on food stamps? Why is the blue eyed young man on food stamps? Why is the white family of 4 where the dad is working on food stamps? 
New Mexico has the highest number of its residents receiving food stamps. Talk about that.

Oregon, South Dakota, Alaska, Oklahoma…. Discuss those people in those states. 

   Racist Peenie at it again 

[peenie 1,949]

I was trying to illuminate that focusing on the percentage breakdown of immigrants receiving SNAP, the way it’s presented, is the same way they do with black Americans. I was pointing out that the way they give the statistics about immigrants shifts the focus of the reality. Very few immigrants make up the total of those receiving SNAP. But instead they say, 25% of immigrants receive SNAP, to make it seem like a big number. If you say the truth, if you give the facts correctly, it sounds like this:

 1% of SNAP recipients are immigrants. 

You see how that stat is less tragic than 25% of immigrants receive SNAP.? 

Okay, I’ve beat the point into the ground. Thanks for giving it your attention. Bowing out now. 

[TimHauck 3,294]

On 10/27/2025 at 2:40 PM, jonnyutah said:

Imagine getting convicted for assuming a false identity and getting fraudulent SNAP benefits to the tune of 19,000 bucks. 

Are you referring to a specific case here?