Guns are the problem?

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

 

 

 

[5-Points 3,868]

No. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,710]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

 

 

No, PEOPLE are the problem.  Rittenhouse was trying to protect property and was assaulted by criminals.  Pretti was actively trying to prevent legal law enforcement operations.  The two are not the same.  To me, this is the exact same as the Good and Babbit situation.  These, now THREE people, put themselves in harms way by making bad decisions.  Sadly, those bad decisions cost them their lives.  It sucks, but hopefully people will start to learn to not make these types of bad decisions.  STOP FOCKING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN YOU DON'T BELONG THERE!!

[nobody 3,008]

I was wondering where gutter got that talking point.  Turns out a comedy show.  Good grief.

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

36 minutes ago, nobody said:

I was wondering where gutter got that talking point.  Turns out a comedy show.  Good grief.

The admin was all over Sunday morning news shows repeating this anti 2A message, which I know you don't watch which is part of the reason why you're so ignorant, but I was just repeating what they said.  Then of course John Stewart puts together this comedy segment afterwards, better than I ever could.

[cyclone24 2,019]

I dislike all of you gun toting Neanderthals on both sides of the aisle equally.

[nobody 3,008]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

The admin was all over Sunday morning news shows repeating this anti 2A message, which I know you don't watch which is part of the reason why you're so ignorant, but I was just repeating what they said.  Then of course John Stewart puts together this comedy segment afterwards, better than I ever could.

Comedians purposely avoid nuance for the joke gutter.  That's why jon stewart himself said years ago not to take what he says seriously.

No one is saying get rid of guns.  They're saying use judgement when legally carrying by avoiding tussles with law enforcement.

Even the most bootlicking bootlickers here aren't saying get rid of 2A and neither is the administration.

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

Comedians purposely avoid nuance for the joke gutter.  That's why jon stewart himself said years ago not to take what he says seriously.

No one is saying get rid of guns.  They're saying use judgement when legally carrying by avoiding tussles with law enforcement.

Even the most bootlicking bootlickers here aren't saying get rid of 2A and neither is the administration.

Where did I say the admin wants to get rid of the 2A?  It's this kind of lying we can do without.

The message is that the gun led to his death, and being at a protest with a gun makes you a domestic terrorist or greater threat.  This is triggering for 2A lovers.  This isn't me saying this, this is gun rights advocates saying this.

[nobody 3,008]

Okay so no one is saying "guns are the problem."

Being at a protest with a gun isn't the problem.  Inserting yourself in the way of law enforcement while carrying will increase your odds of getting shot by law enforcement.  

That's common sense.  If you hear people saying "the gun is the problem" and extrapolate that to mean anything other than, "carrying a gun and getting into an altercation with law enforcement can lead to deadly use of force," you are misunderstanding the message.  If they tell you guns are the problem, they are being imprecise.  I know that always trips you up.

Jon stewart purposely misunderstands messages for a living so he can make jokes.  I wouldn't use him for real opinions.

[nobody 3,008]

20 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Where did I say the admin wants to get rid of the 2A?  It's this kind of lying we can do without.

 

And you said the admin was repeating the anti-2A message.

Then you said Jon stewart put together the comedy segment better than you ever could in which he says Republicans are giving away the 2nd amendment because Trump told them to.  

If you didn't mean that the admin wants to get rid of 2A, then maybe don't say the admin is repeating an anti-2A message and jizz yourself over a comedian saying it and then saying he's saying it better than you ever could.

[FrancieFootball 445]

Even Kyle Rittenhouse is calling out Trump and the MAGAs trying to justify Pretti's murder by saying he had a gun.

What's even worse was that Pretti was disarmed before he was shot.

MAGAs have really worked themselves into a corner on this one.

Rittenhouse brings an assault rifle to a riot and kills people. MAGAs say he was just protecting people and businesses, but he was nowhere near qualified to do that and had no business being there, particularly armed.

Pretti was legally carrying while just standing there using a cell phone to video ICE agents carrying out an operation.

MAGAs are feebly trying to spin this based on politics instead of common sense.

 

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

9 minutes ago, nobody said:

Okay so no one is saying "guns are the problem."

Being at a protest with a gun isn't the problem. 

Did you watch the clip?  Because that is exactly what Noem, Patel and Bessant said.  It's on video.  Stop lying.

 

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

And you said the admin was repeating the anti-2A message.

Yes they are.  anti-2A doesn't mean "repeal".  Any encroachment on the 2A is anti-2A.  This includes laws that put restrictions on gun ownership or saying that carrying a gun at a protest is a problem.

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

10 minutes ago, nobody said:

If you didn't mean that the admin wants to get rid of 2A, then maybe don't say the admin is repeating an anti-2A message 

You're contradicting gun rights owners.

Maybe you should stop bootlicking and letting @supermike80's daddy hold onto your balls.

[seafoam1 3,637]

Matches in the hands of liberals is the problem. Liberals should be illegal. 

 

[dogcows 1,524]

19 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

Even Kyle Rittenhouse is calling out Trump and the MAGAs trying to justify Pretti's murder by saying he had a gun.

What's even worse was that Pretti was disarmed before he was shot.

MAGAs have really worked themselves into a corner on this one.

Rittenhouse brings an assault rifle to a riot and kills people. MAGAs say he was just protecting people and businesses, but he was nowhere near qualified to do that and had no business being there, particularly armed.

Pretti was legally carrying while just standing there using a cell phone to video ICE agents carrying out an operation.

MAGAs are feebly trying to spin this based on politics instead of common sense.

 

It’s even more pathetic to watch the politicians running away from this and the MAGA faithful still trying to further the narratives abandoned by their puppet masters.

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

The 2nd amendment is not for hunting, it is not for self protection. It is there to ensure that free people can defend themselves if god forbid government became tyrannical and turned against its citizens.

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

Oh boy!

Maybe it's just the dementia

[Hardcore troubadour 16,317]

People still pay attention to Jon Stewart (not his real name) ?

[HellToupee 2,453]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

People still pay attention to Jon Stewart (not his real name) ?

Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz
 

I didn’t realize this 

[Nomad99 877]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

 but I was just repeating what they said.

And there you have it......thank you for stating what the REAL problem is.

I would have thought that even you could tell the difference between arming yourself against looters & going to a protest & arming yourself against law enforcement. This 2A hypocrisy crap is just that...crap. Yes you have the right to cary, that's your constitutional right and I endorse that right but please.....

I carry a LOT. Do I carry when I'm going out drinking for the night? NO....that's not an environment to INTENTIONALLY bring your weapon......NEITHER is it a good idea to arm up & go to a protest & interfere with law enforcement operations. There were very few firearms encountered during January 6th given the number of people involved....that number however SHOULD HAVE BEEN ZERO.......the number of people bringing guns to confront ICE should be ZERO as well.

The comparison between Rittenhouse & the ICE protesters being armed is like comparing someone bringing a camera to a fashion show & bringing one into a women's bathroom. 

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

4 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

And there you have it......thank you for stating what the REAL problem is.

I would have thought that even you could tell the difference between arming yourself against looters & going to a protest & arming yourself against law enforcement. This 2A hypocrisy crap is just that...crap. Yes you have the right to cary, that's your constitutional right and I endorse that right but please.....

I carry a LOT. Do I carry when I'm going out drinking for the night? NO....that's not an environment to INTENTIONALLY bring your weapon......NEITHER is it a good idea to arm up & go to a protest & interfere with law enforcement operations. There were very few firearms encountered during January 6th given the number of people involved....that number however SHOULD HAVE BEEN ZERO.......the number of people bringing guns to confront ICE should be ZERO as well.

The comparison between Rittenhouse & the ICE protesters being armed is like comparing someone bringing a camera to a fashion show & bringing one into a women's bathroom. 

I'm sure Alex didn't carry to confront ICE, he carried to defend himself.  Unfortunately he was murdered anyway but people carry for defense against all enemies including the govt.  And now you got Trump saying you can't have guns.

[HellToupee 2,453]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm sure Alex didn't carry to confront ICE, he carried to defend himself.  Unfortunately he was murdered anyway but people carry for defense against all enemies including the govt.  And now you got Trump saying you can't have guns.

Just because you can carry doesn’t make it the right decision. Same with Rittenhouse although it did save his life. It cost this guy his and saved Rittenhouse, both should’ve been wiser , imo. But it did  ultimately save Rittenhouse 

[nobody 3,008]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're contradicting gun rights owners.

Maybe you should stop bootlicking and letting @supermike80's daddy hold onto your balls.

Well according to you and jon stewart (who said it better than you ever could), @supermike80's daddy wants to take everyone's guns.  So who's boots am I licking, by saying we ain't giving up 2A?

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Well according to you and jon stewart (who said it better than you ever could), @supermike80's daddy wants to take everyone's guns.  So who's boots am I licking, by saying we ain't giving up 2A?

@supermike80's daddy.

But in an ironic twist, he said this afternoon "You can't have guns".  Now I know and you know that doesn't mean he's going to repeal the 2A, but it's another anti 2A message that his base is not gonna like hearing, which was my original point.

[nobody 3,008]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Did you watch the clip?  Because that is exactly what Noem, Patel and Bessant said.  It's on video.  Stop lying.

 

Classic Gutter.  Everyone else has to speak with absolute precision while he can speak in generalities and exaggerations.

No one is going after 2A.  If Trump were to go after 2A only the folks that love the taste of boot like everyone who flipped on the Epstein stuff would go along, but F those guys anyway.

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

Classic Gutter.  Everyone else has to speak with absolute precision while he can speak in generalities and exaggerations.

No one is going after 2A.  If Trump were to go after 2A only the folks that love the taste of boot like everyone who flipped on the Epstein stuff would go along, but F those guys anyway.

It's not my job to speak for the admin.

Look, you have the president and his toadies making anti 2A statements.  2A defenders don't like it.  But you have a problem with me talking about it.  Sounds like behavior from someone who likes the taste of boots.

A normal person would say "Yeah they shouldn't be saying this stuff, it makes them look like hypocrites and pisses off their base"

[nobody 3,008]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

@supermike80's daddy.

But in an ironic twist, he said this afternoon "You can't have guns".  Now I know and you know that doesn't mean he's going to repeal the 2A, but it's another anti 2A message that his base is not gonna like hearing, which was my original point.

I can't even follow this.

You're telling me @supermike80's daddy said we can't have guns?  @supermike80 should call a family meeting and get his pops under control.

[nobody 3,008]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's not my job to speak for the admin.

Look, you have the president and his toadies making anti 2A statements.  2A defenders don't like it.  But you have a problem with me talking about it.  Sounds like behavior from someone who likes the taste of boots.

A normal person would say "Yeah they shouldn't be saying this stuff, it makes them look like hypocrites and pisses off their base"

What you posted from your idle jon stewart was just them saying, "yeah, having a gun in that spot didn't help matters." (I'm paraphrasing before you freak out)

Somehow, you took that as, OMG, OMG OMG, @supermike80's daddy is taking away guns!!Q#@!31

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

I can't even follow this.

You're telling me @supermike80's daddy said we can't have guns?  @supermike80 should call a family meeting and get his pops under control.

 

Yes he said it.  Does that mean he's going to repeal 2A?  No.  Is he just an idiot in mental decline?  Probably.

 

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

What you posted from your idle jon stewart was just them saying, "yeah, having a gun in that spot didn't help matters." (I'm paraphrasing before you freak out)

Somehow, you took that as, OMG, OMG OMG, @supermike80's daddy is taking away guns!!Q#@!31

I never once said @supermike80's daddy is taking away guns so you can stop repeating that lie.

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

@SaintsInDome2006 your thoughts?

[MDC 8,351]

Trump admin falsely claimed Pretti brandished a weapon at law enforcement and was a would-be assassin who intended to massacre LEOs, and implied that no one brings a gun to a protest unless they’re looking for trouble.

Turns out gun owners don’t like the message that executing your 2A rights might be a reason for the feds to kill you.  

[Nomad99 877]

20 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm sure Alex didn't carry to confront ICE, he carried to defend himself. 

What you should be sure of is that his POOR JUDGMENT put him into an armed confrontation with law enforcement. What happened after the initial encounter is still up for debate. He brought a firearm to a place & event he shouldn't have. He knew where he was going & what he was doing. His poor decision was at the very least, a contributing factor. There are places you either don't go wearing a gun or just don't go.....this was one of them.

[nobody 3,008]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

Yes he said it.  Does that mean he's going to repeal 2A?  No.  Is he just an idiot in mental decline?  Probably.

 

Oh, that's all?

@supermike80, call off the family meeting.  That's a nothingburger.

 

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

1 minute ago, Nomad99 said:

What you should be sure of is that his POOR JUDGMENT put him into an armed confrontation with law enforcement. What happened after the initial encounter is still up for debate. He brought a firearm to a place & event he shouldn't have. He knew where he was going & what he was doing. His poor decision was at the very least, a contributing factor. There are places you either don't go wearing a gun or just don't go.....this was one of them.

You don't bring a firearm to defend yourself?  You don't believe in the 2A?

[SaintsInDome2006 932]

13 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

@SaintsInDome2006 your thoughts?

Thanks for asking.

I think people are confusing rights, ethics/responsibility, judgment. The USSC has determined gun ownership is an individual right & recently have been placing it alongside the 1st & 4th & basic rights like that. My view of the 2nd differs but it’s besides the point, Alito & Co have spoken. Pretti was well within his rights per the Trump appointee dominated Court.

As for Stewart’s point: Pretti owned his gun & had a license. Rittenhouse iirc got his gun from his dad? Pretti went to a peaceful protest, Rittenhouse drove 40-60 miles to insert himself into an active riot. Pretti had a handgun. Rittenhouse had an AR. Pretti kept his gun holstered, under a coat. Rittenhouse brandished his. Pretti never reached for his gun, he held up his gun hand, & he was pinned and beaten, & he never held or fired his weapon. Rittenhouse shot & killed someone. I’d say Stewart was being kind to Rittenhouse with the comp. 

This insistence on elevating authority over personal liberty isn’t hypocrisy imo, it’s just that people who used to consider themselves conservatives have surrendered their values at the behest of Trump & his corrupt bargain he asks all his followers to make. Which is they surrender their liberty for security (power), & in reality as we know they get neither.

[SaintsInDome2006 932]

20 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

Yes he said it.  Does that mean he's going to repeal 2A?  No.  Is he just an idiot in mental decline?  Probably.

 

Trump has no core beliefs. He said something similar in a meeting with Pelosi a few years back, he said his government would just take people’s guns. He obviously got loose from his handlers.

[Ron_Artest 2,912]

5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trump has no core beliefs. He said something similar in a meeting with Pelosi a few years back, he said his government would just take people’s guns. He obviously got loose from his handlers.

Expect to see some truth social posts later today about how he loves the 2A and he loves his guns.

[BrahmaBulls 1,028]

Gutter Midget having another bad day I see