Cobb or Nelson?

[WooFantasyFootball 0]

I think both will be excellent and will help not having James Jones steal TD's from them. I think Jordy will get more targets, no?

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Nelson. Cobb is very meh imo.

[weepaws 2,460]

Cobb

[DamageIncVacc 6]

Both .nelson has more TDs and cobb more receptions. Both put up top 15 numbers with top 10 potential.

[The Moz 69]

Jordy has the bigger upside as long as he and rodgers are a go -- Nelson is minimum a 85 - 1250 - 9 TD wr1 with top 3 WR overall upside along with Mega, Julio, DT, and AJ

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

its pretty close but i believe Cobb has the higher ceiling even though Jordy may be the better receiver.

 

rodgers and McCarthy are just nuts about him. you constantly hear that he could lead the league in receptions. you don't hear that kind of hype around jordy (not that he needs it).

 

Cobb was targeted 42 times through the packers first 4 games last year... jordy was targeted 30 times in the same span. This was of course before Cobb went down.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Cobb is not meh, he's a super stud. So is Nelson, but Cobb is prob the guy to own. Easy top 10wr.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Cobb is not meh, he's a super stud. So is Nelson, but Cobb is prob the guy to own. Easy top 10wr.

How is he a super stud? He plays with Rogers which gives him an advantage, but there is absolutely nothing about his game that says super stud. Megatron, super stud. Julio, super stud. AJ green, super stud. Randle Cobb, definitely not super stud.

[donkeybalboa 2]

They are both going to be great contributors WR1s...no way does Jarrett Boykin steal as many TDs as James Jones did.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

How is he a super stud? He plays with Rogers which gives him an advantage, but there is absolutely nothing about his game that says super stud. Megatron, super stud. Julio, super stud. AJ green, super stud. Randle Cobb, definitely not super stud.

 

i believe he has the potential to be a top 5 WR. He does not possess the size of the guys you mentioned but neither does antonio brown, neither did wes welker, pierre garcon etc etc.

 

a target monster in the GB offensewith excellent moves with the ball in his hands? sign me up.

[heavy-set 39]

depends on the scoring system, but i would rather Cobb

[Kent 228]

Both like to get hurt but both are potentially amazing. I think it's a coin flip.

[vrabinec 19]

I'd take Cobb if given the choice. Nelson is more of a possession receiver. They ran him deep at times because Cobb was out. But with Cobb back, he'll be closer to the line. He'll get more catches, but the big plays and TD's won't be there. Cobb will be running the deep stuff, that means 20 and 30 yard receptions, and long TD's. He won't have as many catches as Nelson, but he'll have more fantasy points.......IF he stays healthy.

[Kent 228]

I'd take Cobb if given the choice. Nelson is more of a possession receiver. They ran him deep at times because Cobb was out. But with Cobb back, he'll be closer to the line. He'll get more catches, but the big plays and TD's won't be there. Cobb will be running the deep stuff, that means 20 and 30 yard receptions, and long TD's. He won't have as many catches as Nelson, but he'll have more fantasy points.......IF he stays healthy.

I think you've got them reversed.

[vrabinec 19]

Cobb is a half step faster than Nelson. They'll stick Boykin on the outside and stick Cobb in the slot, that means he'll move around more. Everyone gets mesmerized by that 18+ YPC Nelson had when he had his breakout year when he was the third receiver behind the big two, but his YPC last year wasn't that special when you compare it to other deep threats around the league. Probably around 15th in the league. He's big and strong. He'd be better suited if they kept him closer to the line more often to get the tough catches in close, then use Cobb as a quick guy like Antonio Brown, give it to him short and let him make plays, and then send him deep when the safeties start to creep up. Cobb's not built to make a living going over the middle. The Steelers tried to do that with Antonio Brown last year and he had 630 yards for 11.3 per catch over the first seven games. Then they started running him deeper and letting him create beyond the mess in close and he had 869 yards for a 16.1 YPC in the last 9 games. Cobb is more of a player like that. Yeah, Nelson is taller so he's good on the jump balls, but he's 20 pounds heavier than Cobb, and can push off the line for the quick hit stuff better than Cobb can.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Grab both these guys as soon as you can. Big year in the GB passing game coming up here.

 

How is he a super stud? He plays with Rogers which gives him an advantage, but there is absolutely nothing about his game that says super stud. Megatron, super stud. Julio, super stud. AJ green, super stud. Randle Cobb, definitely not super stud.

Everything about his game says that actually.

 

Both like to get hurt but both are potentially amazing. I think it's a coin flip.

Probably this.

 

depends on the scoring system, but i would rather Cobb

Bingo.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

I'd take Cobb if given the choice. Nelson is more of a possession receiver. They ran him deep at times because Cobb was out. But with Cobb back, he'll be closer to the line. He'll get more catches, but the big plays and TD's won't be there. Cobb will be running the deep stuff, that means 20 and 30 yard receptions, and long TD's. He won't have as many catches as Nelson, but he'll have more fantasy points.......IF he stays healthy.

Way off here. Nelson will get long catches and TDs. Cobb will get more catches and probably more yards overall.

[vrabinec 19]

Over the last two years:

 

Nelson has averaged a TD every 13.3 times he was targetted

Cobb has averaged a TD every 12.5 times he was targetted

 

Nelson has averaged a 20+ yard play every 6.6 times he was targetted

Cobb has averaged a 20+ yard play every 6.5 times he was targetted

 

Nelson has averaged 10.3 receiving yards every time he was targetted

Cobb has averaged 9.2 receiving yards every time he was targetted

Cobb has also added a few yards on runs

 

So, you're not talking about a whole lo of difference here. The reason I think they trend more toward running Cobb deep is because he's 23 and Nelson's 29. Cobb's on the ascendency, and Nelson is starting his decline. I think they both will have big years. With Boykin and his 4.75 speed being the 3rd receiver in lieu of Jones, Cobb is gonna be asked to go deep more often than he has, because they're not gonna run Boykin deep. Nelson looks slower to me every year.

 

There's very little daylight between Nelson and Cobb. But, if they're both healthy, I take Cobb because of the above.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Over the last two years:

 

Nelson has averaged a TD every 13.3 times he was targetted

Cobb has averaged a TD every 12.5 times he was targetted

 

Nelson has averaged a 20+ yard play every 6.6 times he was targetted

Cobb has averaged a 20+ yard play every 6.5 times he was targetted

 

Nelson has averaged 10.3 receiving yards every time he was targetted

Cobb has averaged 9.2 receiving yards every time he was targetted

Cobb has also added a few yards on runs

 

So, you're not talking about a whole lo of difference here. The reason I think they trend more toward running Cobb deep is because he's 23 and Nelson's 29. Cobb's on the ascendency, and Nelson is starting his decline. I think they both will have big years. With Boykin and his 4.75 speed being the 3rd receiver in lieu of Jones, Cobb is gonna be asked to go deep more often than he has, because they're not gonna run Boykin deep. Nelson looks slower to me every year.

 

There's very little daylight between Nelson and Cobb. But, if they're both healthy, I take Cobb because of the above.

im not going to disagree with you but I do want to be fair to Jordy. 29 is not the beginning of decline for WRs, its still his prime until around 32, unlike rbs that hit the wall at 30. So Jordy can still potentially have the best year of his career. But I do agree with your final assessment of cobb over him by a nose.

[vrabinec 19]

Yeah, I'm not talking about huge drop offs or anything. When you have two guys who are this close in production, we're talking about inches, and whether they stay healthy will probably play a lot bigger role in which one produces better.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

 

Everything about his game says that actually.

 

Wow thats some convincing evidence. Besides him being a smaller receiver without elite speed, yeah everything about that says elite to me...

[DrG 94]

Cobb gets more targets when both are healthy and I believe he is more consistent

[tanatastic 2,061]

Wow thats some convincing evidence. Besides him being a smaller receiver without elite speed, yeah everything about that says elite to me...

He plays bigger and faster than he is, hence his "game" is elite, not his measurables aka worthless stats. Granted, hes yet to truly have a great season and he could flop I suppose. But a top 2 wr on an offence primed for a passing explosion with a running game to back it up and a deep threat on the other side is a guy I want on my team.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

He plays bigger and faster than he is, hence his "game" is elite, not his measurables aka worthless stats. Granted, hes yet to truly have a great season and he could flop I suppose. But a top 2 wr on an offence primed for a passing explosion with a running game to back it up and a deep threat on the other side is a guy I want on my team.

Yeah youre right, calvin johnson isnt good because he is taller and faster than everyone, hes great because he wants to be great.

[lesjroza 70]

Nelson. Cobb is very meh imo.

 

Cobb is meh in the same way Kate Upton doing the Cat Daddy is meh. After all her dancing skills are questionable.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAsaY449PQc

[vrabinec 19]

I suddenly forgot what this thread was about...

[lesjroza 70]

I suddenly forgot what this thread was about...

 

I'm trying to bait FBN a little bit here. I have a few minutes for a solid debate right now. Hit me with your best "Cobb is meh" argument Beer Nuts.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I'd take Cobb if given the choice. Nelson is more of a possession receiver. They ran him deep at times because Cobb was out. But with Cobb back, he'll be closer to the line. He'll get more catches, but the big plays and TD's won't be there. Cobb will be running the deep stuff, that means 20 and 30 yard receptions, and long TD's. He won't have as many catches as Nelson, but he'll have more fantasy points.......IF he stays healthy.

 

Nelson has always been run deep and it had little to nothing to do with Cobb.

 

Cobb is not a deep route on the outside type WR.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Yeah youre right, calvin johnson isnt good because he is taller and faster than everyone, hes great because he wants to be great.

There are plenty of wrs who have been tall and fast and didnt do squat, so yea ur actually correct. His desire to be great and his other skill like hands, route running, awareness etc are what makes him the best wr in the nfl. Tall and fast just helps, but those other things I listed are more important. See Jerry Rice.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

There are plenty of wrs who have been tall and fast and didnt do squat, so yea ur actually correct. His desire to be great and his other skill like hands, route running, awareness etc are what makes him the best wr in the nfl. Tall and fast just helps, but those other things I listed are more important. See Jerry Rice.

Look at the wrs who are consistently at the top of the league every year. They arr usually the biggest and fastest guys

 

Andre johnson

Calvin johnson

Aj green

Julio jones

Brandon marshall

Alshon jeffery

Demaryius thomas

 

Seems like all those wrs have similar traits besides heart and desire.

 

Jerry Rice has been out of the league for how many years? So your outdated example doesnt really hold up. You need the physical tools before heart and desire can play a factor.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

Wow thats some convincing evidence. Besides him being a smaller receiver without elite speed, yeah everything about that says elite to me...

Was Reggie Wayne an elite wr in your opinion? Wayne is not much bigger than cobb. Maybe 2 inches 5 lbs?

 

I'm curious because I could buy the argument that his numbers were inflated due to peyton. Marvin harrison? Holt? Bruce? Those guys were not physical specimens in the 6 4 220 mold of calvin but put up elite numbers and had elite intagibles

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Was Reggie Wayne an elite wr in your opinion? Wayne is not much bigger than cobb. Maybe 2 inches 5 lbs?

 

I'm curious because I could buy the argument that his numbers were inflated due to peyton. Marvin harrison? Holt? Bruce? Those guys were not physical specimens in the 6 4 220 mold of calvin but put up elite numbers and had elite intagibles

There are receivers that are elite that dont have the eye popping measurables, and some of those you listed are definitely elite. My argument is specific to cobb. Nothing about him says elite. He is a solid receiver that gets pegged as one of the best receivers in the league, and a lot of people expect him to make the jump to top tier wrs.

 

A solid wr + rogers is always a recipe for success. I just dont get all the praise that seems to be put on his pure ability. He isnt THAT special of a wr to me.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

There are receivers that are elite that dont have the eye popping measurables, and some of those you listed are definitely elite. My argument is specific to cobb. Nothing about him says elite. He is a solid receiver that gets pegged as one of the best receivers in the league, and a lot of people expect him to make the jump to top tier wrs.

 

A solid wr + rogers is always a recipe for success. I just dont get all the praise that seems to be put on his pure ability. He isnt THAT special of a wr to me.

 

well, speaking for myself i view Cobb as a guy with top 5 fantasy potential. but its just that, FANTASY potential. I even went as far as to say Nelson is likely the better and more polished receiver.

 

but i also don't think you're giving quite enough credit to Cobb. He has elite quickness/agility and open field capability. Very Harvinesque. He will never have elite size but that won't keep him from reaching a high status.

[Breesman32 11]

How is he a super stud? He plays with Rogers which gives him an advantage, but there is absolutely nothing about his game that says super stud. Megatron, super stud. Julio, super stud. AJ green, super stud. Randle Cobb, definitely not super stud.

Um, Jordy did not draw the top corners last year, Cobb did. Jordy benefitted from the redskins secondary weakness week 2, the bengals slot defense and Hall on Cobb in Cincinatti, the ravens Smith on Cobb which led to him getting hurt. The last game at Chicago when Cobb was back he got two TDs while Nelson got a lot of yards. Nelson is the deep threat, Cobb is the slot receiver. The matchups basically determine who will do more. Rodgers checks down a lot if he is facing no tough defense and in no shootout. The lions game last year in an example. neither Cobb or Nelson scored but Cobb had over 100 all purpose yards.

[lesjroza 70]

There are receivers that are elite that dont have the eye popping measurables, and some of those you listed are definitely elite. My argument is specific to cobb. Nothing about him says elite. He is a solid receiver that gets pegged as one of the best receivers in the league, and a lot of people expect him to make the jump to top tier wrs.

 

A solid wr + rogers is always a recipe for success. I just dont get all the praise that seems to be put on his pure ability. He isnt THAT special of a wr to me.

 

 

Well, the thing is he already made the jump. In 2012 when he was a part time player for the 1st part of the year he finished as WR 14 in the scoring of Zeal league which we are in together.

 

In 2013 prior to the injury he was WR4 in PPG.

 

Incidentally this put him directly behind Antonio Brown who was WR3.

Antonio Brown is the same height and 6 lbs lighter.

 

Up there with them was D. Jackson who is the same height and 16 lbs lighter which might account for the fact that he is chicken ###### to go over the middle thus hurting his week-week consistency, Cobb doesn't have that issue.

 

Lots of smaller guys have been top FF WRS. I think Welker probably has as many WR1/2 YEARS as some of those big guys you mentioned combined.

 

Is it possible you are a prototypical size racist FBN?

 

 

Or is it something else, I'm still waiting for your comprehensive "Cobb is meh" argument to break out my real big guns.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

 

 

Well, the thing is he already made the jump. In 2012 when he was a part time player for the 1st part of the year he finished as WR 14 in the scoring of Zeal league which we are in together.

 

In 2013 prior to the injury he was WR4 in PPG.

 

Incidentally this put him directly behind Antonio Brown who was WR3.

Antonio Brown is the same height and 6 lbs lighter.

 

Up there with them was D. Jackson who is the same height and 16 lbs lighter which might account for the fact that he is chicken ###### to go over the middle thus hurting his week-week consistency, Cobb doesn't have that issue.

 

Lots of smaller guys have been top FF WRS. I think Welker probably has as many WR1/2 YEARS as some of those big guys you mentioned combined.

 

Is it possible you are a prototypical size racist FBN?

 

 

Or is it something else, I'm still waiting for your comprehensive "Cobb is meh" argument to break out my real big guns.

Ok he is better than meh. I think he is a good receiver in a great situation. I put him down originally more to emphasize that i believe nelson is the better option this year. I dont believe brown or djax are elite receivers either so you dont have to convince me.

 

Receivers who are not elite have great years all the time, it does not mean they are the best receivers in the league. It means they had a great fantasy season due to favorable circumstances.

 

Hey i could take the easy route and jump on the collective player bandwagons that everyone loves. I prefer to take a view that goes against the grain sometimes. Sometimes im right, sometimes im not.

 

I will tell you that a few players that people were huge on i backed away from since they had been dubbed cant miss. David wilson for one, monte ball as another last year.

 

Cobb will have a good season so i am not saying dnd.

[Boilermaker04 11]

Nelson adp is 2.10 and Cobb 3.4, and that's about right. Hype will push one up once we get closer to the opener. I'd honestly consider both at that price in a draft. Nelson first. If they fall I'd draft them without second thought.

[remote controller 133]

I prefer nelson but have no problem with Cobb. I feel a healthy Cobb catches more passes while jordy scores more.

[jaxjag 43]

Wow thats some convincing evidence. Besides him being a smaller receiver without elite speed, yeah everything about that says elite to me...

 

Sometimes there is the eyeball test... Cobb is a play maker... You're selling him short.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Draft them both and get 2800 and 25 of Rodgers yardage and touchdowns.