Seattle fixes gun violence problem with a gun and ammo tax. Voila. Solved.

[tubby_mcgee 686]

See how easy that was, you conservative dum-dums?

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/15/seattle-gun-tax-failure-firearm-sales-plummet-violence-spikes-after-law-passes.html

 

[Alias Detective 1,179]

The tax wasn't high enough to keep this pesky criminals from obtaining them.

[tubby_mcgee 686]

The tax wasn't high enough to keep this pesky criminals from obtaining them.

 

 

I think its more so criminals don't buy guns the same way the good guys do.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

I think its more so criminals don't buy guns the same way the good guys do.

 

Don't say. I was being facetious bud.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Taxing the crap out of something in a way to protect us from it doesn't work. Look at cigarettes..... people will spend as much as they have to to get what they want.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584]

so lets see, this creates a "drive to Oregon or Idaho situation" it doesnt fix anything

 

last I checked taxes aren't high priorities for gang bangers, and Tyrone doesn't sell his guns out of his trunk for 500+ 13.5% sales tax

[Baker Boy 1,485]

From the Left:

 

We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but 
 we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.

 

 

 

 

No gun zones are the most dangerous areas in America

[Cdub100 3,380]

From the Left:

 

We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but 
 we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.

 

 

 

 

No gun zones are the most dangerous areas in America

 

The worst part is the vast majority of those lunatics stole or got guns in unlawful manners.

 

But sure lets keep pushing the banishment of guns, errrr I mean "gun control" It's not the legal gun owners you have to worry about. It's the 70% of democrats who commit gun violence.

[MDC 5,891]

Taxing the crap out of something in a way to protect us from it doesn't work. Look at cigarettes..... people will spend as much as they have to to get what they want.

Cigarette taxes have actually coincided with sharply declining smoking rates just about everywhere.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584]

Cigarette taxes have actually coincided with sharply declining smoking rates just about everywhere.

 

it also correlates to the rise in usage with vapes, which avoid those taxes currently in most places

[MDC 5,891]

 

it also correlates to the rise in usage with vapes, which avoid those taxes currently in most places

I'm sort of on the fence on sin taxes mainly because they never seem to end up finding why people say they're going to fund. Just saying they actually have reduced smoking.

 

Long term effects of vaping are unknown but the medical community mostly agrees that it's probably a lot better than smoking since its non carcinogenic and people generally vape less than they smoke.

[MDC 5,891]

While we're on the topic I quit about a year ago and the cost wa a big factor. Cigarettes in Philky went from $7 to over $10/pack in a period of about a year. In Manhattan a pack of smokes costs up to $15. It's nuts.

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

Cigarette taxes have actually coincided with sharply declining smoking rates just about everywhere.

So if a smoking tax keeps people from smoking, what does an income tax do? Hmm...

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584]

I'm sort of on the fence on sin taxes mainly because they never seem to end up finding why people say they're going to fund. Just saying they actually have reduced smoking.

 

Long term effects of vaping are unknown but the medical community mostly agrees that it's probably a lot better than smoking since its non carcinogenic and people generally vape less than they smoke.

 

the biggest problem of raising sin taxes imo is that maybe what 5% and I am being generous actually goes to an actual cause

 

I remember when California voted for the lottery, it was going to be great for the public schooling, 30 years later, and under 1% annually from the lotto goes to schools

[MDC 5,891]

So if a smoking tax keeps people from smoking, what does an income tax do? Hmm...

We have an income tax, you tell me? I'm not trying to win an argument here, it's just factually wrong to say cigarette taxes don't reduce smoking.

[MDC 5,891]

 

the biggest problem of raising sin taxes imo is that maybe what 5% and I am being generous actually goes to an actual cause

 

I remember when California voted for the lottery, it was going to be great for the public schooling, 30 years later, and under 1% annually from the lotto goes to schools

Agreed. Most of these taxes are highly regressive too. Philly just enacted a "soda tax" that covers juices / juice boxes, Gatorade etc. A 20 oz bottle of soda costs over $2 now.

 

This wa supposed to find the schools but I am very doubtful that is going to happen. It's also regressive in that lower class people are going to spend a far higher % of their income on soft drinks.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584]

Agreed. Most of these taxes are highly regressive too. Philly just enacted a "soda tax" that covers juices / juice boxes, Gatorade etc. A 20 oz bottle of soda costs over $2 now.

 

This wa supposed to find the schools but I am very doubtful that is going to happen. It's also regressive in that lower class people are going to spend a far higher % of their income on soft drinks.

 

thats insane, well if their goal was to get people to stop on soda that would stop me, although I never drink soda, I only drink natural unsweetened Iced Tea, but I am sure that tax would carry over at the drive thru

[MDC 5,891]

 

thats insane, well if their goal was to get people to stop on soda that would stop me, although I never drink soda, I only drink natural unsweetened Iced Tea, but I am sure that tax would carry over at the drive thru

I buy more soda now. When I'm standing there drinking my Diet Coke with a bendy straw I want everyone to know I'm rich.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584]

I buy more soda now. When I'm standing there drinking my Diet Coke with a bendy straw I want everyone to know I'm rich.

 

watch out, soda could become the new sneakers

[Vikings4ever 496]

Agreed. Most of these taxes are highly regressive too. Philly just enacted a "soda tax" that covers juices / juice boxes, Gatorade etc. A 20 oz bottle of soda costs over $2 now.

I remember reading the mayor got pissed that stores raised their prices following the tax. Because apparently the taxes were supposed to reduce soda consumption, but not affect the people buying it.

[MDC 5,891]

I remember reading the mayor got pissed that stores raised their prices following the tax. Because apparently the taxes were supposed to reduce soda consumption, but not affect the people buying it.

The tax is technically on the wholesaler - they pass it to the stores who pass it to the consumer. I'm not a big soda drinker anyway but they tax my power aide zero, the fockers.

 

All it does is encourage people to buy in NJ or DE.

[DonS 3,067]

Agreed. Most of these taxes are highly regressive too. Philly just enacted a "soda tax" that covers juices / juice boxes, Gatorade etc. A 20 oz bottle of soda costs over $2 now.

 

This wa supposed to find the schools but I am very doubtful that is going to happen. It's also regressive in that lower class people are going to spend a far higher % of their income on soft drinks.

Seattle is adding a soda tax as well. Seattle city council hasn't met a tax it doesn't like.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I'm sort of on the fence on sin taxes mainly because they never seem to end up finding why people say they're going to fund. Just saying they actually have reduced smoking.

 

Long term effects of vaping are unknown but the medical community mostly agrees that it's probably a lot better than smoking since its non carcinogenic and people generally vape less than they smoke.

Absolutely right about smoking rates going way down, even before vaping became a thing.

 

But the medical community doesn't support vaping either. The more data that comes out, the worse it looks. And most people who vape still smoke.

[penultimatestraw 473]

No gun zones are the most dangerous areas in America

Worse than inner cities?

[MDC 5,891]

Absolutely right about smoking rates going way down, even before vaping became a thing.

 

But the medical community doesn't support vaping either. The more data that comes out, the worse it looks. And most people who vape still smoke.

Obviously your doctor would prefer you not smoke or vape but if that's the choice they recommend vaping:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/27/eu-to-make-e-cigarettes-weaker/amp/

 

Do most people who vape also smoke? That surprises me if it's true. I just assumed vaping was mostly for smoking cessation.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Obviously your doctor would prefer you not smoke or vape but if that's the choice they recommend vaping:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/27/eu-to-make-e-cigarettes-weaker/amp/

 

Do most people who vape also smoke? That surprises me if it's true. I just assumed vaping was mostly for smoking cessation.

When they buy them, it is for cessation.

 

What ends up happening is that you use the vape for places you can't smoke, and then smoke the rest of the time. So I hear anyway.

[frank 2,145]

Finally, someone is trying bullet control.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

We have an income tax, you tell me? I'm not trying to win an argument here, it's just factually wrong to say cigarette taxes don't reduce smoking.

 

Reduce? Sure. Eliminate? Nope.

 

Does the government raise taxes to reduce the number of smokers or increase revenue?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Finally, someone is trying bullet control.

 

I think it's called aiming the weapon frank.

[MDC 5,891]

 

Reduce? Sure. Eliminate? Nope.

 

Does the government raise taxes to reduce the number of smokers or increase revenue?

I never said the tax would eliminate smoking.

 

Increase revenue.

[frank 2,145]

[penultimatestraw 473]

Obviously your doctor would prefer you not smoke or vape but if that's the choice they recommend vaping:https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/27/eu-to-make-e-cigarettes-weaker/amp/

Do most people who vape also smoke? That surprises me if it's true. I just assumed vaping was mostly for smoking cessation.

There is no group of physicians in this country advocating vaping. I just went to a conference sponsored by UCSF that said it wasn't particularly effective for smoking cessation, with unclear health risks. Admittedly I haven't read the primary data.

[penultimatestraw 473]

When they buy them, it is for cessation.

What ends up happening is that you use the vape for places you can't smoke, and then smoke the rest of the time. So I hear anyway.

I think this pretty much sums it up.

[MDC 5,891]

There is no group of physicians in this country advocating vaping. I just went to a conference sponsored by UCSF that said it wasn't particularly effective for smoking cessation, with unclear health risks. Admittedly I haven't read the primary data.

Doctors in the UK advocate vaping as a form of smoking cessation and there are plenty of studied that show the effectiveness of nicotine replacement in general (gum patch vape etc).

 

The health risks are unclear but I'd take what I don't know about vaping over what we do know about smoking.

[supermike80 1,285]

When they buy them, it is for cessation.

 

What ends up happening is that you use the vape for places you can't smoke, and then smoke the rest of the time. So I hear anyway.

As someone who tried many ways to quit, including vaping, I agree with this. Vaping didn't make me want to smoke less. It just pumped more nicotine into my system cause now I can vape indoors....I did enjoy the vaping.......but it sure didn't work to make me quit.

[MDC 5,891]

Vaping helped me quit, especially in the early going. Bought a pen and a package of Nicorete and give myself permission to do both or either as much as necessary to get over the habit. After a week or two I tapered down both. Now I don't ever use the gum and rarely vape at night, usually if I know I will be around smokers.

 

I highly recommend it to people who want to quit smoking.