5-Points 2,729 Posted May 12, 2018 Then split Orville and Wilbur Wright and Lewis and Clark.Let's not get carried away. https://www.biography.com/people/orville-wright-20672999 Orville Wright is best known for inventing the airplane with his brother, Wilbur. https://www.biography.com/people/wilbur-wright-20672839 Wilbur Wright is best known for developing the first successful airplane with his brother, Orville. https://www.biography.com/people/meriwether-lewis-9381267 Meriwether Lewis teamed up with William Clark to form the historic Lewis and Clark expedition. Together they explored the lands west of the Mississippi. https://www.biography.com/people/william-clark-9542620 William Clark was half of the exploration team Lewis and Clark, who in the early 1800s explored and mapped the lands west of the Mississippi River. https://www.biography.com/people/neil-armstrong-9188943 Astronaut, military pilot, and educator, Neil Armstrong made history on July 20, 1969, by becoming the first man to walk on the moon. https://www.biography.com/people/buzz-aldrin-9179894 Astronaut Buzz Aldrin was one of the first people to walk on the moon. He and flight commander Neil Armstrong made the Apollo 11 moonwalk in 1969. Unlike the Wright bros. and Lewis & Clark, I think Neil and Buzz are viable stand alone options. However, while Armstrong's bio doesn't specifically name Aldrin in the first paragraph, it does mention the moonwalk and Aldrin's bio does name Armstrong specifically. I say we let it slide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted May 12, 2018 I do not. This whole draft is a BS sham if we let Armstrong and Aldrin be one pick. Outrageous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted May 12, 2018 I shouldnt have the first time and I corrected it. This time, its appropriate. They were the first to explore the moon. One drove the bus, the other got out walking. If I took just one, someone else could come in and take the other. It was one achievement, just like the wright brothers and Lewis & Clarke. I want the whole achievement on my roster, I dont want to share. I didn't see this while I was bitching about it. Yes I had Armstrong on my list and figured I'd go Buzz if I miss out on him. You don't get to choose the whole "achievement" at your own discretion!! That's rediculius. With the risk of dropping names - so then Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein is one pick ?? NO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 It seems to me Armstrong and Aldrin would qualify as partners and I don't have a problem with them being teamed. We'll see if anybody else agrees with shotsup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 RHR Times out ----- 6.8 Jim Thorpe - Athlete (Other) 7.1 New York Yankees - Sports Team Skip RHR again to shotsup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted May 12, 2018 It seems to me Armstrong and Aldrin would qualify as partners and I don't have a problem with them being teamed. We'll see if anybody else agrees with shotsup. If this stands I quit. Totally rediculius and I was not the first to complain. Second time Titians did it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted May 12, 2018 07.03 Buzz Aldrin Explorer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 If this stands I quit. Totally rediculius and I was not the first to complain. Second time Titians did it. You're right, RHR agreed with you on the last page. 5 Points and me would let it slide that'd be 2-2. We'll set TBBOM aside and request 2/3 of vudu, 90sbaby, and ZeroT to chime in and decide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,594 Posted May 12, 2018 Lewis and Clark - fine Wright brothers - fine Aldrin and Armstrong - two separate choices. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 12, 2018 Lewis and Clark - fine Wright brothers - fine Aldrin and Armstrong - two separate choices. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted May 12, 2018 You're right, RHR agreed with you on the last page. 5 Points and me would let it slide that'd be 2-2. We'll set TBBOM aside and request 2/3 of vudu, 90sbaby, and ZeroT to chime in and decide. Armstrong and Aldrin should be split imo. I had Armstrong alone in the geek club history draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fandandy 3,311 Posted May 12, 2018 If this stands I quit. Totally rediculius and I was not the first to complain. Second time Titians did it. 07.03 John Wilkes Booth. Criminal. My criminal killed my President. LOL I don't think he should be allowed to have all three. Maybe John and Wilkes, but Booth too?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 Well that's 4 votes "no" I feel bad as this is partly my fault. TBBOM asked me and I told him that would be fine, obviously, the rest of you disagree. TBBOM, I'll give you Neil Armstrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted May 12, 2018 I don't think he should be allowed to have all three. Maybe John and Wilkes, but Booth too?? Okay. I'll take Buzz Aldrin instead. I hear he got unfriended Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 I don't think he should be allowed to have all three. Maybe John and Wilkes, but Booth too?? John Wilkes was a great, outstanding human being. It's not his fault somebody named Booth named their turd son after him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 American History Draft 1.1 Volty Thomas Edison - Inventor 1.2 RHR George Washington - Wildcard 1.3 shotsup Abraham Lincoln - President 1.4 TBBOM Thomas Jefferson - President 1.5 90sbaby Henry Ford - Businessman 1.6 ZeroT Benjamin Franklin - Wildcard 1.7 vudu Albert Einstein - Physics 1.8 5Points John Adams - Thinker/Philosopher 2.1 5Points The Wright Brothers - Inventor 2.2 vudu Dwight D Eisenhower - General 2.3 ZeroT Franklin D Roosevelt - President 2.4 90sbaby John D. Rockefeller - Wildcard 2.5 TBBOM James Madison - thinker/philosopher 2.6 shotsup George Patton - General 2.7 RHR Martin Luther King Jr. - African American 2.8 Volty Mark Twain - Fiction Writer 3.1 Volty Merriweather Lewis and William Clark - Explorer 3.2 RHR Walt Disney - Business 3.3 shotsup Theodore Roosevelt - Wildcard 3.4 TBBOM J. Robert Oppenheimer - Physics 3.5 90sbaby Steve Wozniak - Inventor 3.6 ZeroT Alexander Hamilton - Cabinet 3.7 vudu Muhammad Ali - African American 3.8 5Points Andrew Carnegie - Businessman 4.1 5Points Al Capone - Criminal 4.2 vudu George Eastman - Inventor 4.3 ZeroT J.P. Morgan - Businessman 4.4 90sbaby Nikola Tesla - Engineer 4.5 TBBOM Chester Nimitz - Admiral 4.6 shotsup John Gotti - Criminal 4.7 RHR John Marshall - SCOTUS 4.8 Volty Henry Clay Sr. - Congressman 5.1 Volty Jonas Salk - Scientist (Other) 5.2 RHR Ulysses S. Grant - General 5.3 shotsup Andy Warhol - Visual Artist 5.4 TBBOM Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin - Explorers 5.5 90sbaby Donald Trump - Wildcard 5.6 ZeroT Alexander Graham Bell - Inventor 5.7 vudu Babe Ruth - Baseball 5.8 5Points Daniel Boone - Pioneer 6.1 5Points Ansel Adams - Visual Artist 6.2 vudu Michael Jordan Basketball 6.3 ZeroT Elvis Presley - Singer 6.4 90sbaby Barrack Obama - Fail 6.5 TBBOM Marilyn Monroe - Seductress 6.6 shotsup Michael Jackson. Singer 6.7 RHR Colin Kaepernick - Social Scientist 6.8 Volty Jim Thorpe - Athlete (Other) 7.1 Volty New York Yankees - Sports Team 7.2 RHR Cleveland Browns - Sports Team 7.3 shotsup Buzz Aldrin - Explorer 7.4 TBBOM 7.5 90sbaby 7.6 ZeroT 7.7 vudu 7.8 5Points 8.1 5Points 8.2 vudu 8.3 ZeroT 8.4 90sbaby 8.5 TBBOM 8.6 shotsup 8.7 RHR 8.8 Volty 9.1 Volty 9.2 RHR 9.3 shotsup 9.4 TBBOM 9.5 90sbaby 9.6 ZeroT 9.7 vudu 9.8 5Points 10.1 5Points 10.2 vudu 10.3 ZeroT 10.4 90sbaby 10.5 TBBOM 10.6 shotsup 10.7 RHR 10.8 Volty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 Voltaire 1.1 Volty Thomas Edison Inventor 2.8 Volty Mark Twain - Fiction Writer 3.1 Volty Merriweather Lewis and William Clark - Explorer 4.8 Volty Henry Clay Sr. - Congressman 5.1 Volty Jonas Salk - Scientist (Other) 6.8 Volty Jim Thorpe - Athlete (Other) 7.1 Volty New York Yankees - Sports Team RaiderHater's Revenge 1.2 RHR George Washington - Wildcard 2.7 RHR Martin Luther King Jr. - African American 3.2 RHR Walt Disney - Business 4.7 RHR John Marshall - SCOTUS 5.2 RHR Ulysses S. Grant - General shotsup 1.3 shotsup Abraham Lincoln - President 2.6 shotsup George Patton - General 3.3 shotsup Theodore Roosevelt - Wildcard 4.6 shotsup John Gotti Criminal 5.3 shotsup Andy Warhol - Visual Artist 6.6 shotsup Michael Jackson. Singer 7.3 shotsup Buzz Aldrin - Explorer titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 1.4 TBBOM Thomas Jefferson - President 2.5 TBBOM James Madison - thinker/philosopher 3.4 TBBOM J. Robert Oppenheimer and Enrico Fermi - Physics 4.5 TBBOM Chester Nimitz - Admiral 5.4 TBBOM Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin - Explorers 6.5 TBBOM Marilyn Monroe - Seductress iam90sbaby 1.5 90sbaby Henry Ford - Businessman 2.4 90sbaby John D. Rockefeller - Wildcard 3.5 90sbaby Steve Wozniak - Inventor 4.4 90sbaby Nikola Tesla - Engineer 5.5 90sbaby Donald Trump - Wildcard 6.4 90sbaby Barrack Obama - Fail Zero Tolerance 1.6 ZeroT Benjamin Franklin - Wildcard 2.3 ZeroT Franklin D Roosevelt - President 3.6 ZeroT Alexander Hamilton - Cabinet 4.3 ZeroT J.P. Morgan - Businessman 5.6 ZeroT Alexander Graham Bell - Inventor 6.3 ZeroT Elvis Presley - Singer vuduchile 1.7 vudu Albert Einstein - Physics 2.2 vudu Dwight D Eisenhower - General 3.7 vudu Muhammad Ali - African American 4.2 vudu George Eastman - Inventor 5.7 vudu Babe Ruth - Baseball 6.2 vudu Michael Jordan Basketball 5-Points 1.8 5Points John Adams - Thinker/Philosopher 2.1 5Points The Wright Brothers - Inventor 3.8 5Points Andrew Carnegie - Businessman 4.1 5Points Al Capone - Criminal 5.8 5Points Daniel Boone - Pioneer 6.1 5Points Ansel Adams - Visual Artist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 President 1.2 RHR George Washington - Wildcard 1.3 shotsup Abraham Lincoln - President 1.4 TBBOM Thomas Jefferson - President 2.3 ZeroT Franklin D Roosevelt - President Congressman 4.8 Volty Henry Clay Sr. - Congressman SCOTUS Justice 4.7 RHR John Marshall, SCOTUS Cabinet/Gvt Adviser/Gvt Administrator 3.6 ZeroT Alexander Hamilton - Cabinet General/Admiral 2.2 vudu Dwight D Eisenhower - General 2.6 shotsup George Patton - General 4.5 TBBOM Chester Nimitz - Admiral 5.2 RHR Ulysses S. Grant - General Band/Singer 6.3 ZeroT Elvis Presley - Singer 6.6 shotsup Michael Jackson. Singer Actor/Director Composer/Songwriter Other Performing Artist TV/Radio Personality Visual Artist 5.3 shotsup Andy Warhol - Visual Artist 6.1 5Points Ansel Adams - Visual Artist Baseball 5.7 vudu Babe Ruth - Baseball Football Hockey Basketball 6.2 vudu Michael Jordan - Basketball Other Athlete 6.8 Volty Jim Thorpe - Athlete (Other) Fiction Writer 2.8 Volty Mark Twain - Fiction Writer Nonfiction Writer Physics/Astronomy 1.7 vudu Albert Einstein - Physics 3.4 TBBOM J. Robert Oppenheimer and Enrico Fermi - Physics Other Science 5.1 Volty Jonas Salk - Scientist (Other) Social Scientist Inventor 1.1 Volty Thomas Edison - Inventor 2.1 5Points The Wright Brothers - Inventor 3.5 90sbaby Steve Wozniak - Inventor 4.2 vudu George Eastman - Inventor 5.6 ZeroT Alexander Graham Bell - Inventor Designer/Engineer 4.4 90sbaby Nikola Tesla - Engineer Thinker/Philosopher 1.8 5Points John Adams - Thinker/Philosopher 2.5 TBBOM James Madison - thinker/philosopher Businessman 1.5 90sbaby Henry Ford - Businessman 3.2 RHR Walt Disney - Business 3.8 5Points Andrew Carnegie - Businessman 4.3 ZeroT J.P. Morgan - Businessman Religious Leader Old West Pioneer/Settler/Explorer 3.1 Volty Merriweather Lewis and William Clark - Explorer 5.4 TBBOM Neil Armstrong - Explorer 5.8 5Points Daniel Boone - Pioneer 7.3 shotsup Buzz Aldrin - Explorer Educator Colonial Era Reformer African American 2.7 RHR Martin Luther King Jr. - African American 3.7 vudu Muhammad Ali - African American Native American Woman Seductress 6.5 TBBOM Marilyn Monroe - Seductress Criminal 4.1 5Points Al Capone - Criminal 4.6 shotsup John Gotti Criminal Dumbfock/Fail 6.4 90sbaby Barrack Obama - Fail Court Case Sports Team 7.1 Volty New York Yankees - Sports Team Media Company Wilcardx2 1.6 ZeroT Benjamin Franklin - Wildcard 2.4 90sbaby John D. Rockefeller - Wildcard 3.3 shotsup Theodore Roosevelt - Wildcard 5.5 90sbaby Donald Trump - Wildcard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted May 12, 2018 I sent my picks to 90's yesterday around 3 it was Jackie Robinson (reformer), New York Yankees (which Volty would get) then Gregory Pincus (Science) so 6.07 Jackie Robinson (reformer) 7.02 Gregory Pincus (Science) I am going for the first "who?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,206 Posted May 12, 2018 John Wilkes was a great, outstanding human being. It's not his fault somebody named Booth named their turd son after him. My hometown of Wilkes-Barre is named after John Wilkes, if you are referring to the English politician. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted May 12, 2018 Lewis and Clark - fine Wright brothers - fine Aldrin and Armstrong - two separate choices. this, I have never heard them paired together Lewis and Clark, Wright Brothers/ I have never not heard them paired together Lewis and Clark are so paired, most people don't even know their first names lets just put it this way if there was a category marked Astronaut these two guys would be 2 of the 1st 3 taken other acceptable pairings would be like Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,729 Posted May 12, 2018 this, I have never heard them paired together Lewis and Clark, Wright Brothers/ I have never not heard them paired together Lewis and Clark are so paired, most people don't even know their first names lets just put it this way if there was a category marked Astronaut these two guys would be 2 of the 1st 3 taken other acceptable pairings would be like Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals My first thoughts were "nobody would mention Orville Wright without including Wilbur or Meriweather Lewis without including William Clark. Lots of people would mention Neil Armstrong without including Buzz Aldrin and vice-versa." So I set out to prove my point and I looked them each up independently. I thought for sure Armstrong and Aldrin would have enough personal achievements that the other wouldn't necessarily be mentioned in the same breath, so to speak. The results made me question my position enough to let it slide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted May 12, 2018 My first thoughts were "nobody would mention Orville Wright without including Wilbur or Meriweather Lewis without including William Clark. Lots of people would mention Neil Armstrong without including Buzz Aldrin and vice-versa." So I set out to prove my point and I looked them each up independently. I thought for sure Armstrong and Aldrin would have enough personal achievements that the other wouldn't necessarily be mentioned in the same breath, so to speak. The results made me question my position enough to let it slide. what it all boils down to for me is that if you ask people who was the first man to step on the moon, most people know Armstrong, not as many people know Aldrin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,729 Posted May 12, 2018 what it all boils down to for me is that if you ask people who was the first man to step on the moon, most people know Armstrong, not as many people know Aldrin Yeah, I can't really argue with that. Another option could be to change one of the "wildcard" categories to "event" or something and give him Moon Landing. But I'm sure that won't fly either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted May 12, 2018 7.02 Gregory Pincus (Science) I am going for the first "who?" Without looking it up, I'm 80% sure he's the guy who invented birth control pill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,206 Posted May 12, 2018 Without looking it up, I'm 80% sure he's the guy who invented birth control pill. You are correct, but I had to look it up. Seems like a reach at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted May 13, 2018 You are correct, but I had to look it up. Seems like a reach at this point. after the car, the plane, the phone, and the Edison/Franklin stuff, its probably had more impact than anything else in the history of the US. It also is credited with starting the feminist movement somewhat as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted May 13, 2018 So riding in a canoe and walking together counts as a collaboration. Riding in an airplane together counts as a collaboration. But riding in a space capsule the size of a Volkswagen doesnt. What the fock ever. 7.4 - Harry Houdini - Other performing Artist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted May 13, 2018 So riding in a canoe and walking together counts as a collaboration. Riding in an airplane together counts as a collaboration. But riding in a space capsule the size of a Volkswagen doesnt. What the fock ever. 7.4 - Harry Houdini - Other performing Artist Im busy for the weekend and dont have a pick yet... you guys can skip me until the morning but I figure I should cast a vote on this. Im with titans. If all the others qualify (which I dont think they should I think it should be all individuals.. Steve Wozniak and Jobs are tied at the hip as much as any other these others but Id never do that, its a different discussion for a different draft) then his should too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 13, 2018 7.6 - Ernest Hemingway - Fiction Writer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted May 13, 2018 I mentioned another tied at the hip. Should we make a ruling now ? And Titians that was a stretch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,729 Posted May 13, 2018 So riding in a canoe and walking together counts as a collaboration. Riding in an airplane together counts as a collaboration. But riding in a space capsule the size of a Volkswagen doesnt. What the fock ever. 7.4 - Harry Houdini - Other performing Artist I'm kinda sympathetic to your cause but when you reduce "inventing the airplane" to "riding in an airplane together", it just looks silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,729 Posted May 13, 2018 Checkin out for the night fellas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted May 13, 2018 I mentioned another tied at the hip. Should we make a ruling now ? And Titians that was a stretch. Bullsh!t. Neil and Buzz are known for the Apollo moon mission. Thats it. There were two of them, together, in the capsule. When they returned home, it was the two of them together in all the photos and stories. Fock, Lewis and Clark had other people with them when they explored. If one is allowed together (as it should be) so should the other. What is weak is threatening to quit unless you get your way and then turning around and stealing half my pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,649 Posted May 13, 2018 I sent my picks to 90's yesterday around 3 it was Jackie Robinson (reformer), New York Yankees (which Volty would get) then Gregory Pincus (Science) so 6.07 Jackie Robinson (reformer) 7.02 Gregory Pincus (Science) I am going for the first "who?" Poor little Pinkus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,594 Posted May 13, 2018 Bullsh!t. Neil and Buzz are known for the Apollo moon mission. Thats it. There were two of them, together, in the capsule. When they returned home, it was the two of them together in all the photos and stories. Fock, Lewis and Clark had other people with them when they explored. If one is allowed together (as it should be) so should the other. What is weak is threatening to quit unless you get your way and then turning around and stealing half my pick. Sorry. Lewis and Clark, wright brothers. Those are known by those names. Although I agree with you, shots move was kind of low. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted May 13, 2018 Sorry. Lewis and Clark, wright brothers. Those are known by those names. Although I agree with you, shots move was kind of low. I absolutely am not arguing that the Wright brothers or l&c should be separate. But neither should the two guys who went to the moon together. The difference between Apollo mission and Lewis and Clarks exposition from a name standpoint is simply marketing. Armstrong and aldrin walked on the moon nine minutes apart. To argue that that is a separate endecour is absurd. But whatever. Shots can have the second man to walk on the moon. Im done arguing about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,649 Posted May 13, 2018 Better get a ruling on Sonny & Cher now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,729 Posted May 13, 2018 Better get a ruling on Sonny & Cher now.Right after Salt & Peppa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
