Broncos trade away #22 to San Fran for

[Franknbeans 46]

just announced on NFL Sirius

 

Discuss.

 

So, basically Denver's 1st rounder for San Fran's 2nd and 3rd rounder

[football_scooter 0]

Has to be 15 & 22.

 

Otherwise what possible reason would the Niners have to do it?

 

 

Denver: "hey, I'll give you 22nd overall for the 6th overall...what do you say?"

 

SF: "duuuuuuuuuh, o-k."

 

[football_scooter 0]

#35 and a 3rd rounder? stay tuned for more

 

 

ooooooh, now that would be a nice deal for the Niners. So this is more the Niners moving up at the price of a 3rd rounder.

 

love that...

[Franknbeans 46]

Yes, Pat and the other dude just compared draft values for the positions and it seems the Niners are making out a little.

 

Apparantly it was exact value according to this

 

22=780

 

37=530

68=250

[Grind 0]

My prediction based on this info. Denver want to use their first pick on a RB and didn't like the potential options at WR with pick #22; therefore, they trade back, acquire another pick, and use pick #35 and a 3rd in draft day deal to land Javon Walker. So in essence, they are getting a RB with their first pick and Javon Walker with what was pick #22.

[CA_7 0]

Has to be 15 & 22.

 

Otherwise what possible reason would the Niners have to do it?

Denver: "hey, I'll give you 22nd overall for the 6th overall...what do you say?"

 

SF: "duuuuuuuuuh, o-k."

 

 

 

York will do some crazy things to save money

[Vikings4ever 550]

Has to be 15 & 22.

 

Otherwise what possible reason would the Niners have to do it?

Denver: "hey, I'll give you 22nd overall for the 6th overall...what do you say?"

 

SF: "duuuuuuuuuh, o-k."

 

 

The 9ers gave their 2nd and 3rd for the 22nd pick. Now the 9ers have 2 1st round picks.

[murf74 461]

My guess is 49ers get a WR with #22? What say you guys?

[eefflrat 0]

My prediction based on this info. Denver want to use their first pick on a RB and didn't like the potential options at WR with pick #22; therefore, they trade back, acquire another pick, and use pick #35 and a 3rd in draft day deal to land Javon Walker. So in essence, they are getting a RB with their first pick and Javon Walker with what was pick #22.

I feel like you're in the War Room with the Broncos there. This makes a ton of sense. A second and a 3rd this year would most definitely be great ammo to get Walker

[Vikings4ever 550]

Denver's draft trades come down to this:

 

Gave:

29

93

2007 4th

 

Got:

15

37

68

 

 

[GeminiV 0]

Yes, Pat and the other dude just compared draft values for the positions and it seems the Niners are making out a little.

 

The tricky thing for the Niners, though, is that they can't be sure that the player they're targetting will be there. I'm not sure I like this move for them right now. Until the draft unfolds, they can't be sure the player they'll get at #22 will help them more than the player at #37.

[t.j 35]

Denver's draft trades come down to this:

 

Gave:

29

93

2007 4th

 

Got:

15

37

68

 

They gave 22, not 29. But still, wow.

[swamp dog 0]

The tricky thing for the Niners, though, is that they can't be sure that the player they're targetting will be there. I'm not sure I like this move for them right now. Until the draft unfolds, they can't be sure the player they'll get at #22 will help them more than the player at #37.

 

i agree. i suspect the thinking is that the draft is deep--especially in rounds 2 and 3. from scouting reports i've seen it looks solid and sustained from about 20s all the way through round 2 with about the same quality of players.

 

and for san fran's part, they must have their eye on a specific player--or be near the front/middle on the run of first tier of cbs. there's also a possibilty they could package 22 and 6 to move up into the top-5...but that wouldn't make a lot of sense given their holes. then again, they just traded away 2 picks for 1, so who knows.

[Vikings4ever 550]

They gave 22, not 29. But still, wow.

Actually they gave up both (29 in the Abraham trade, 22 in this trade).

 

So

22

29

93

2007 4th

 

for

15

37

68

 

 

Not as good as I thought.

[Datathief 0]

My prediction based on this info. Denver want to use their first pick on a RB and didn't like the potential options at WR with pick #22; therefore, they trade back, acquire another pick, and use pick #35 and a 3rd in draft day deal to land Javon Walker. So in essence, they are getting a RB with their first pick and Javon Walker with what was pick #22.

 

 

Then why not just offer the 22 for Walker instead of giving it to SF who is also interested in trading for Walker. Seems to me SF might have jumped into a better position to aquire Walker than Denver did. Considering both teams made an effort to contact GB about Walker, they should know better than us what GB might consider. GB has only told the media they dont want to trade Walker. So while we cant say what GB's asking price would be, what would make you think they are more interested in the 35 and 68 than the 22?

[football_scooter 0]

i agree. i suspect the thinking is that the draft is deep--especially in rounds 2 and 3. from scouting reports i've seen it looks solid and sustained from about 20s all the way through round 2 with about the same quality of players.

 

and for san fran's part, they must have their eye on a specific player--or be near the front/middle on the run of first tier of cbs. there's also a possibilty they could package 22 and 6 to move up into the top-5...but that wouldn't make a lot of sense given their holes. then again, they just traded away 2 picks for 1, so who knows.

 

Uh, the definition of irony is a Lions fan ripping on any team for their drafting.

 

Seriously though - how can you rip this? In a fairly deep draft, the Niners just gave up a 3rd and 2nd to get another 1st. I think it's a great move.

 

It also makes me think that the Niners will keep that 1.06 pick to select Huff or Williams (preferably Williams).

 

this is a terrific deal for the Niners, IMO. You need to pay for picks, and this didn't cost them much considering how many picks they already had. There are no guarentees for any player being available, but obviously there's enough talent there for them to feel confident that they'll get someone they want/need.

 

Players I could see them targeting at 1.22 include the following:

Jimmy Williams, DB, Virginia Tech

Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State

DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama

DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis

Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College

 

Any of whom could help. I seriously doubt they take Williams though he'd be a nice player to have.

 

And to those speculating a WR, don't hold your breath. Nolan will build this team in his mold - OL and defense will be premiums for him throughout the draft. Maybe they'll grab an upside receiver in the later rounds, but after acquiring Bryant, I don't see them drafting a WR with anything but a late pick.

[epileptik 0]

Also, this trade blocks Denver from moving up and taking Vernon Davis away from the 49ers.

[Portis26 0]

This means Defense with the #6 pick; and offense with the #22 pick.

 

 

so - NO VERNON DAVIS at #6

[kristv 0]

This means Defense with the #6 pick; and offense with the #22 pick.

so - NO VERNON DAVIS at #6

 

 

Why? This draft is deep with defensive talent. I'd grab Davis at 6 and the best LB or S/CB available at #22.

[RicemanX 20]

hmmm..what do the niners want with a pick 13 picks ahead of their 2nd rounder...?

 

CHAD JACKSON?!

 

correction, the kids on the niners forum are pushing for Manny Lawson with the 22nd pick, and they are still in love with Vernon Davis.

[kristv 0]

hmmm..what do the niners want with a pick 13 picks ahead of their 2nd rounder...?

 

CHAD JACKSON?!

 

correction, the kids on the niners forum are pushing for Manny Lawson with the 22nd pick, and they are still in love with Vernon Davis.

 

 

LOL! Good point! Hey, they could pick up Davis and Jackson in the first round and still pick up a quality defensive player with their 2nd round pick.

 

[edit] wow, you were fast with that edit! [/edit]

[Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 0]

Why? This draft is deep with defensive talent. I'd grab Davis at 6 and the best LB or S/CB available at #22.

 

 

Agreed. If anything I think this means they are taking Davis and will grab the best defensive player available or go OL. Those positions are very deep this year. Offensive studs are not.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Then why not just offer the 22 for Walker instead of giving it to SF who is also interested in trading for Walker. Seems to me SF might have jumped into a better position to aquire Walker than Denver did. Considering both teams made an effort to contact GB about Walker, they should know better than us what GB might consider. GB has only told the media they dont want to trade Walker. So while we cant say what GB's asking price would be, what would make you think they are more interested in the 35 and 68 than the 22?

 

 

Denver may not have been willing to give up the 22 for Walker...but will now offer a few of their other picks...to try and get him. also saves them from having to sign Walker to a new deal that he will want...plus 2 1st round draft picks.

[remote controller 143]

My prediction based on this info. Denver want to use their first pick on a RB and didn't like the potential options at WR with pick #22; therefore, they trade back, acquire another pick, and use pick #35 and a 3rd in draft day deal to land Javon Walker. So in essence, they are getting a RB with their first pick and Javon Walker with what was pick #22.

As a Pack fan, I like this, for I feel the trade you speak of above is now going to happen on draft day.

I also see the 9er's moving one of those first rounders now.

[DrJ 0]

Actually they gave up both (29 in the Abraham trade, 22 in this trade).

 

So

22

29

93

2007 4th

 

for

15

37

68

Not as good as I thought.

 

Still not too shabby though, I'd think that 15 and 37 > than 22 and 29 since 7 spots earlier are worth more than 8 spots later.

 

They also trade from the back of the 3rd to the way front for just their 4th in 07. Nice.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

My prediction based on this info. Denver want to use their first pick on a RB and didn't like the potential options at WR with pick #22; therefore, they trade back, acquire another pick, and use pick #35 and a 3rd in draft day deal to land Javon Walker. So in essence, they are getting a RB with their first pick and Javon Walker with what was pick #22.

 

I don't think they go RB with their first pick. Aside from it being a very UnShannihan-like move to spend a first rounder on a RB, their needs in the front four and for depth at LB, particularly a prime pass rusher, are much greater. I could see him liking Chad Jackson, but Philly could snag him one pick earlier, so I think Ngata or Bunkley or his choice of DE, with only Mario Williams likely off the board, at that point are what they are looking at.

[mozzy84 0]

Then why not just offer the 22 for Walker instead of giving it to SF who is also interested in trading for Walker. Seems to me SF might have jumped into a better position to aquire Walker than Denver did. Considering both teams made an effort to contact GB about Walker, they should know better than us what GB might consider. GB has only told the media they dont want to trade Walker. So while we cant say what GB's asking price would be, what would make you think they are more interested in the 35 and 68 than the 22?

 

I don't think anyone would give up a first rounder for Walker, I don't think anyone would give a 2nd and 3rd for him either. Walker killed any leverage gb had in a trade, the best they can hope for is a 3rd imo.

 

I am not sure if I like this trade for san fran with all the holes they have and how deep this draft is supposed to be. But either way a 2nd and 3rd for a 1st doesn't sound to shabby.

[Texansfan 0]

Hmmmm, trying to get ammo to go after Reggie?

 

Problem is Houston won't move down to #6. By then Mario & Brick are LONG gone.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Lelie and a 3rd for JW. Think it helps both parties. Get rid of WR's who want out. Denver gets the WR with more upside and GB gets another very average WR and a pick. Both GM's can say they got the better of the deal.

[t.j 35]

Problem is Houston won't move down to #6. By then Mario & Brick are LONG gone.

 

There would be plenty of players who could help the Texans available still, though.

[mggoilers 0]

There would be plenty of players who could help the Texans available still, though.

 

 

I thought the same thing, San Fran is either trading up or more likely moving down on draft day.

 

They could package picks to possibly get to #1 overall to draft Bush

 

They would have to send the #6/#22/and 2007 1st rounder for starters, but could Houston live with the players at #6. They could actually have Vince Young fall to that spot, wouldn't that be quite the PR move.

 

Houston needs players, but passing on Bush/Williams/D'Brick could set the franchise back...but seeing that they have already reached bottom. What the hell?

[stonecoldsoonerfan 0]

Niners trade for another first-round pick

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The San Francisco 49ers now have two first-round picks in the NFL draft.

 

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The Niners acquired the 22nd overall selection in the draft from the Denver Broncos on Wednesday for picks in the second round and third round.

 

The Broncos will receive the 37th and 68th overall picks in the deal.

 

The Niners own the sixth overall pick in the draft as well as No. 22 in the first round. The Jets are the only other team with two first-round picks in the April 29 draft.

 

The Broncos now own seven picks in the first four rounds. They have the 15th overall selection after moving up from 29th in a deal with Atlanta.

 

Denver had acquired the 22nd overall pick from Washington in a trade last April.

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[football_scooter 0]

I don't see the niners dealing either of the 1st rounders at this point.

 

They aren't in the market for Walker - that's a rumor without teeth from everything I've seen. The placeit originated was on April fool's day from a bogus article that KFFL then ran with as they so often do. Packers fans can keep dreaming of it if it makes them happy, but it's not going to happen. WR is one of the least need positions for the Niners right now. They addressed it with Bryant, who will do all the things Lloyd wouldn't. They are happy with Battle as a #2 for now, and likely will take a WR late in the draft, probably with one of the 6th round selections they have.

 

As for Bush, I seriously doubt that would happen either.

 

Niners can now take a Williams, Huff or VDavis, and then go with one of the talented DBs at 22.

 

This cost them little, considering how many picks they had, and they now have two 1st rounders in a very deep draft.

 

I am stoked - as a fan of the team, I have been nothing but thrilled with how well managed the off-season has been. I tip my cap to Nolan & company.

 

I think the Niners have not only been among the most active of all teams so far, but among the most successful. they've now got a boatload of picks, and managed to parlay one of their 3rds into another first rounder. It's been a long and painful ride waiting for this team to turn it around - since they hired Nolan things have gone up up up up up. I am very excited to see what they do in the draft.

[t.j 35]

On a lighter note, this is the first reported case of anyone in San Francisco being interested in bush.

[BattyRidas 0]

I think this move makes it more likely they're going to move their 6th pick for more picks later in the draft.

[mggoilers 0]

I don't see the niners dealing either of the 1st rounders at this point.

 

They aren't in the market for Walker - that's a rumor without teeth from everything I've seen. The placeit originated was on April fool's day from a bogus article that KFFL then ran with as they so often do. Packers fans can keep dreaming of it if it makes them happy, but it's not going to happen. WR is one of the least need positions for the Niners right now.

 

Now Denver has the ammunition to go get Javon Walker. They can send one of their 2nd rounders to GB for Walker...they could even throw in Lelie.

 

 

Denver can now go get a better WR then they would have received in the draft.

[swamp dog 0]

Uh, the definition of irony is a Lions fan ripping on any team for their drafting.

 

Seriously though - how can you rip this? In a fairly deep draft, the Niners just gave up a 3rd and 2nd to get another 1st. I think it's a great move.

 

It also makes me think that the Niners will keep that 1.06 pick to select Huff or Williams (preferably Williams).

 

this is a terrific deal for the Niners, IMO. You need to pay for picks, and this didn't cost them much considering how many picks they already had. There are no guarentees for any player being available, but obviously there's enough talent there for them to feel confident that they'll get someone they want/need.

 

Players I could see them targeting at 1.22 include the following:

Jimmy Williams, DB, Virginia Tech

Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State

DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama

DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis

Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College

 

Any of whom could help. I seriously doubt they take Williams though he'd be a nice player to have.

 

And to those speculating a WR, don't hold your breath. Nolan will build this team in his mold - OL and defense will be premiums for him throughout the draft. Maybe they'll grab an upside receiver in the later rounds, but after acquiring Bryant, I don't see them drafting a WR with anything but a late pick.

 

i wasn't ripping the trade. what the hell are you talking about?

 

Denver may not have been willing to give up the 22 for Walker...but will now offer a few of their other picks...to try and get him. also saves them from having to sign Walker to a new deal that he will want...plus 2 1st round draft picks.

 

i doubt walker, coming off a blown knee, is worth more than a mid-round pick--a single one at that--come draft day.

 

i'd say about 3rd.

[remote controller 143]

On a lighter note, this is the first reported case of anyone in San Francisco being interested in bush.

[Yo Son!!! 0]

A lot of talk about the 9ers end of this deal. What does this deal allow Denver to do at #15, and the other 6 picks in the first 4 rounds?

 

I think the point of this deal is to go with Chad Jackson at #15 like I've seen in so many mock drafts thus far, and do the normal Denver thing and find... maybe Addai at #37 that they traded down to. I don't know too much about that next level of RBs starting with Addai, but I'm sure Denver has something planned thats going to have one of them wearing a Broncos' uni this year.

 

But on the other hand... maybe they finally go for a top 1st round RB this year. Kubiak is gone. Will they still have the same zone blocking scheme to make it easier for thier RB? If not, maybe they need top talent?

 

Any other thoughts?

[swamp dog 0]

the broncos have scheduled a meeting with harrington. that's where one of the lower picks they've got could be headed.