TheNewGirl 1,496 Posted April 25, 2006 No, that's not what happened. The truth is, dogs will snap whenever they see fit, for no reason whatsoever. But how do you explain that to a 4 year old. She's been told in the past never to approach a dog that's eating. As far as my reaction (and my dad's), I'm pretty sure she knows why we did it. We've had your typical child/parent conversations in the past about the boogie man and ghosts. "Daddy won't let anyone hurt you"..stuff like that. If she ever brings it up, I'll expand on it then. You can explain it to her. You can explain the your reactions to her as well. Boogieman and ghost conversations aren't the same as real-life animals that might hurt her. Of course she knows that daddy won't let anything bad happen to her, but kids dont know what that MEANS. To never approach a dog that's eating is one thing...was this dog eating? Not from your story, I don't think it was. Explaining to her that "doggies sometimes try and protect things that they think are theirs. The dog in the golf cart thought that was his home, and he was trying to protect it. You and I know that you wouldn't try to hurt the doggie, or take his house from him, but HE didn't know that. So, he got scared and a little mad. Next time, wait for daddy to say bye to the doggies with you, okay?" Sure, it means that you might have to put down what you're doig, walk around and say BYE to every animal there, but still...it will give her peace of mind, and also protect her. Perhaps, in the future, just telling her to not get to close to dogs, even ones that she knows, unless daddy is there with her. She would then be reassured that she would be safe because daddy was there. Knowing that "dogs snap whenever they see fit" wouldn't you feel better if you were standing next to her she she wanted to approach an animal? The animal might also view you as the alpha and decide not to snap. As for explaining WHY you beat the dog, I am not sure that she "knows" why you did this. I am going to guess that she's probably a little confused, but doesn't know how to verbalize it. We have a VERY tempermental cat. Sometimes she lets our son hold her, sometimes not. It's been easy to explain to him when to leave her alone, sometimes if I see him approach her, all I have to say is, "The kitty isn't in a very good mood right now, let's leave her alone, okay?" He's fine with that. Or using other words that he knows..."Kitty doesn't feel good and wants to rest..." even if she's fine and *I* know that she's just sleeping the day away, he understands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted April 25, 2006 Hopefully you tried to explain why Stepdaddy was mean to the dog: "Stepdaddy is just old and got scared when he saw the doggy be mean to you. That and the fact that he was kind of upset about how so many moths could have chewed holes in his favorite red-checkered flannel shirt and how those old grease stains never did come out of his WalMart blue jeans. Add in that he was really angry that the Sheriff broke down his meth lab, and Stepdaddy was having a real bad day. Not saying it's any excuse to beat a dog nearly half to death with a rake in front of you, but Stepdaddy loves you. Sometimes people show that love by taking all of their frustrations out on defenseless animals. Who can blame him when he just got that property tax bill from the Rural R1 Redistricted School District accompanied by a letter informing him that some Negroes were now attending the Ronald Reagan Middle School. Stepdaddy enjoys our visits and told me that he was going to get rid of that old golf cart so it will never bring up any bad memories for you of that scary doggy. He is going to put it out back behind the three rusted out Chevy El Caminos on cinderblocks, and the 52 Dodge chasis. He told me that where he's going to put it, you won't hardly be able to see it unless you're standing next the new grave where he put the scary doggy's carcass, or at least what was left of it after the Stepdaddy got through with the chainsaw and weed-whacker. So, Honey, it's like that. No reason to think any less of that doggy or Stepdaddy, they both were just following their instincts brought out by years of breeding." Dude, we've seen your pics. We don't need your autobiography. and this is from a redneckI nominate this thread as best since the board resurrection Then you don't get out much. The stevejohnson/xman meltdown was far better IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macca 0 Posted April 25, 2006 JOE CARCUSS: ATTENTION!!!! You didn't answer my questions: Would you still be objecting if the FIL had just shot the dog in the head? Is it the way he handled it or the fact that a poor lil poochie woochie got hurt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted April 25, 2006 JOE CARCUSS: ATTENTION!!!! You didn't answer my questions: Would you still be objecting if the FIL had just shot the dog in the head? Is it the way he handled it or the fact that a poor lil poochie woochie got hurt? No, if he took the little girl out of danger and then later (after she was gone) put the dog down with a shot to the head or had a vet do it, that would be OK if he thought the animal was dangerous! Prepairing yourself by getting leather gloves and a rake and then beating the dog half to death well after the kid was in danger is sick behavior in my opinion! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macca 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Ouch. A bit out of line, don't you think? Acreed. While I don't exactly agree with the way that the FIL handled the situation (should have just shot the dog, not beat it), to paint a person he doesn't know with such a broad stroke for actions that happened in a heated moment where his granddaughter was just in possible danger is as much of a focking joke. That was a pretty moronic post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toro 1 Posted April 25, 2006 Then you don't get out much. The MDC meltdown was far better IMO. Fixarama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Acreed. While I don't exactly agree with the way that the FIL handled the situation (should have just shot the dog, not beat it), to paint a person he doesn't know with such a broad stroke for actions that happened in a heated moment where his granddaughter was just in possible danger is as much of a focking joke. That was a pretty moronic post. The girl WAS NOT IN DANGER according to his account. The dog was barking at her (did NOT BITE her) and the father came over to get the kid. Well AFTER the girl was safe and the dog stopped barking, this guy carefully prepared himself and began to beat the dog. When he was finished bullying a stupid animal he then said something along the lines of "you'll never see him again"......ALL of this in front of a 4 year old girl! Yeah, real classy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macca 0 Posted April 25, 2006 No, if he took the little girl out of danger and then later (after she was gone) put the dog down with a shot to the head or had a vet do it, that would be OK if he thought the animal was dangerous! Prepairing yourself by getting leather gloves and a rake and then beating the dog half to death well after the kid was in danger is sick behavior in my opinion! I can't say I disagree with you(although I see a little pussification in the statement "take the dog to the vet"-you kill the focking thing on the spot). I agree that it should probably not have been beaten to death, but at the same time, I think it is rather easy for you to sit back and call this man the things you did just because he flew off at the handle when a loved one was in perceived danger. Does this make his actions right? No. Does it give you and Paul the right to call him a "wife beater" or "future serial killer". No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Cdub100 3,925 Posted April 25, 2006 Good job! That little girls knows if she's ever in trouble she can count on dad and grand dad to protect her. No, if he took the little girl out of danger and then later (after she was gone) put the dog down with a shot to the head or had a vet do it, that would be OK if he thought the animal was dangerous! Prepairing yourself by getting leather gloves and a rake and then beating the dog half to death well after the kid was in danger is sick behavior in my opinion! That's because you're a puszy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted April 25, 2006 I can't say I disagree with you(although I see a little pussification in the statement "take the dog to the vet"-you kill the focking thing on the spot). I agree that it should probably not have been beaten to death, but at the same time, I think it is rather easy for you to sit back and call this man the things you did just because he flew off at the handle when a loved one was in perceived danger. Does this make his actions right? No. Does it give you and Paul the right to call him a "wife beater" or "future serial killer". No. If he isn't, why would he care what we think? This is a message board for crying out loud! The fact that he A, put a thread like this up to begin with and B, continued to attempt to justify beating a dog, tells me that this guy may have a few screws loose! BTW I think HE beat the dog and this step dad stuff is all a front. Like the guy that goes to the doctor and says "my freind has warts on his nuts, should he be worried?" Just my OPINION! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macca 0 Posted April 25, 2006 The girl WAS NOT IN DANGER according to his account. The dog was barking at her (did NOT BITE her) and the father came over to get the kid. Well AFTER the girl was safe and the dog stopped barking, this guy carefully prepared himself and began to beat the dog. When he was finished bullying a stupid animal he then said something along the lines of "you'll never see him again"......ALL of this in front of a 4 year old girl! Yeah, real classy! Don't play focking stupid. A dog is growling and snapping at the kid, and the kid is curled up on the ground, the KID IS IN DANGER!!! You must be a dog pschologist to know FOR SURE that dog was not going to attack his child, huh. Do I agree with how the FIL handled it? No. And maybe YOU should read the post again. The kid was not around when the dog was being beaten. To help you out, if a formerly stray dog is snarling and snapping at a child, it is FOCKING DANGEROUS!!! Any dog is dangerous to a child, even if that dog is the nicest dog ever up to that point. If it shows an aggressive behaviour, it is all of a sudden a dangerous entity. Don't play focking stupid. continued to attempt to justify beating a dog, tells me that this guy may have a few screws loose! Link to where he justified his FILs actions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Don't play focking stupid. A dog is growling and snapping at the kid, and the kid is curled up on the ground, the KID IS IN DANGER!!! You must be a dog pschologist to know FOR SURE that dog was not going to attack his child, huh. Do I agree with how the FIL handled it? No. And maybe YOU should read the post again. The kid was not around when the dog was being beaten. To help you out, if a formerly stray dog is snarling and snapping at a child, it is FOCKING DANGEROUS!!! Any dog is dangerous to a child, even if that dog is the nicest dog ever up to that point. If it shows an aggressive behaviour, it is all of a sudden a dangerous entity. Don't play focking stupid. Then he is a moron, bad parent, or both! Good defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macca 0 Posted April 25, 2006 In what way does any of what I said make him a bad parent? Explain You must have a learning disability or problem with your reading comprehension. Did you skip the part where he didn't know about the dog's aggressive nature in certain situations until AFTER the occurance? READING-It's a tip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,496 Posted April 25, 2006 :raisonettes: :juniormints: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_probert_2000 1 Posted April 25, 2006 Dog snaps at my kids, I put it down. While the method here, may have been over the top- the end result was necessary. It's not like they choke focked it, they got the kid out of danger. THe beating was extreme, but I wasn't there to evaluate it- so I reserve judgement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted April 25, 2006 In what way does any of what I said make him a bad parent? Explain Allowing a 4 year old around a dog your aren't totally sure about. The Stepdad keeping a dog he said he knew was protective of the golf cart around a little kid, beating an animal in front of a kid, I could go on but I made my point! Thanks but I'm done here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macca 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Dog snaps at my kids, I put it down. While the method here, may have been over the top- the end result was necessary. It's not like they choke focked it, they got the kid out of danger. THe beating was extreme, but I wasn't there to evaluate it- so I reserve judgement. Ding Ding Ding How it was handled: End result(dead dog): Multiple examples of Pussification of America and illiteracy Allowing a 4 year old around a dog your aren't totally sure about. The Stepdad keeping a dog he said he knew was protective of the golf cart around a little kid, beating an animal in front of a kid, I could go on but I made my point! Thanks but I'm done here! Yeah, you definately proved one thing: your reading comprehension is for sh!t Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty Syringes 478 Posted April 25, 2006 and this is from a redneckI nominate this thread as best since the board resurrection From a redneck? I was born and raised in Houston, fourth largest U.S. city. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JScott 20 Posted April 25, 2006 If that dog wanted to maul the girl, it would have. Dogs intent on biting exercise more stealth during an attack. That dog was just growling and snapping. Besides, if that dog was a biter, Shovel would have gotten his ass bit while going Chuck Norris. How dare you disrespect Chuck Norris that way! He wouldn't have punched the dog, he would have round-house back kicked the golf cart and the dog! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 527 Posted April 25, 2006 Allowing a 4 year old around a dog your aren't totally sure about. The Stepdad keeping a dog he said he knew was protective of the golf cart around a little kid, beating an animal in front of a kid, I could go on but I made my point! Thanks but I'm done here! How many times are you going to be "done here"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 25, 2006 :juniormints: :rawrockymountainoysters: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Ding Ding Ding How it was handled: End result(dead dog): Multiple examples of Pussification of America and illiteracy Yeah, you definately proved one thing: your reading comprehension is for sh!t Oh man, I got served Must be more "Pussification of America"! What a classy bunch of guys this thread attracted. Thanks for the tips on how to beat/kill dogs! Later Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 25, 2006 Thanks for the tips on how to beat/kill dogs! Yeah, but what is the most efficient way? Start a poll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,509 Posted April 25, 2006 Oh man, I got served Must be more "Pussification of America"! What a classy bunch of guys this thread attracted. Thanks for the tips on how to beat/kill dogs! Later Making alot of friends here, xman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,925 Posted April 25, 2006 From a redneck? I was born and raised in Houston, fourth largest U.S. city. You're still a dirty redneck mexican lover Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_probert_2000 1 Posted April 25, 2006 Making alot of friends here, xman I'll put my first guess in as Gutterboy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lindust20 2 Posted April 25, 2006 My observations.....first off i wondered why you would let a young small girl go say bye to dogs, but i can see it if they havent been mean EVER until this happened. My second observation is the step dad did go a little overboard. My third observation is if a dog was over anyone i loved, i would go whack that dog with a baseball bat if i had one in my hand. So i think shovels reaction was the right choice but the stepdad went a lil overboard......the lesson here is never let ur kids play with animals unless they are grown adults. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DuckStupid 40 Posted April 25, 2006 Good read ... Someone else above summed up my feelings on the matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macca 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Oh man, I got served Must be more "Pussification of America"! What a classy bunch of guys this thread attracted. Thanks for the tips on how to beat/kill dogs! Later No problem. Don't forget, this thread also attracted people like you who can't read. I don't want to be classless and leave anyone out who contributed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty Syringes 478 Posted April 25, 2006 You're still a dirty redneck mexican lover Better than being a pawn shop-burglarzing, crack-ho-licking Upper Peninsula reject. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toro 1 Posted April 25, 2006 Better than being a pawn shop-burglarzing, crack-ho-licking Upper Peninsula reject. Texas >>>>>> Michigan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty Syringes 478 Posted April 25, 2006 Cdub the Yooper took a job with Odovero Construction to paint lines on M28. The first day he painted ten miles. The boss was very impressed. The second day he painted two miles. The boss was a little disappointed. The third day he only painted 500 feet. The boss sat him down and said," Cdub, how come you paint ten miles the first day, two miles the next day, but only 500 feet today?". Cdub replied, "Well boss, each day I get farther and farther away from the paint can". Cdub the Yooper heads for the Motor City. When he gets across the bridge, he sees a sign that reads "DETROIT LEFT." So he turned around and went home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Q.Lazzarus 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Stray animals being kept outside of the house are bad news waiting to happen. The blame here lies with the FIL for being irresponsible enough to allow stray dogs around the grandkids. Shovel was perhaps a bit naive, in letting his daughter around the dog. ANY dog can bite at ANY given time, regardless of the situation. Beating a dog, however, is disturbing, and criminal. Call the local animal control, don't take it upon yourself to kill a dog , unless you want to spend 12 months in jail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_probert_2000 1 Posted April 25, 2006 Cdub the Yooper took a job with Odovero Construction to paint lines on M28. The first day he painted ten miles. The boss was very impressed. The second day he painted two miles. The boss was a little disappointed. The third day he only painted 500 feet. The boss sat him down and said," Cdub, how come you paint ten miles the first day, two miles the next day, but only 500 feet today?". Cdub replied, "Well boss, each day I get farther and farther away from the paint can". Cdub the Yooper heads for the Motor City. When he gets across the bridge, he sees a sign that reads "DETROIT LEFT." So he turned around and went home. Redtodd>Rusty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isotopes 1 Posted April 25, 2006 Stray animals being kept outside of the house are bad news waiting to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,925 Posted April 25, 2006 Cdub the Yooper took a job with Odovero Construction to paint lines on M28. The first day he painted ten miles. The boss was very impressed. The second day he painted two miles. The boss was a little disappointed. The third day he only painted 500 feet. The boss sat him down and said," Cdub, how come you paint ten miles the first day, two miles the next day, but only 500 feet today?". Cdub replied, "Well boss, each day I get farther and farther away from the paint can". Cdub the Yooper heads for the Motor City. When he gets across the bridge, he sees a sign that reads "DETROIT LEFT." So he turned around and went home. I'm not a yooper. You're still a hick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty Syringes 478 Posted April 25, 2006 Cdub the Yooper just got married, and he and his wife are driving down to Saginaw for their honeymoon. As they are driving, his wife slides over next to him, and he starts rubbing her leg. She says, "Honey, now that we're married you can go a lot further than that!" So Cdub drove all the way to Detroit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,925 Posted April 25, 2006 Rusty pulled over the car by the side of the road and showed Jed where he'd first had sex. "It was right down there by that tree. I remember the day plainly. It was a warm summer day. She and I were so much in love. We walked down to the tree and made love for hours," Rusty recalled. "That sounds wonderful," said Jed. "Yes. It was okay until I looked up and noticed her mother was standing right there watching us." "Oh my God! What did her mother say when she saw you making love to her daughter?" "Baaaaa..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites