Matt Schaub traded to the Houston Texans

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

Why? They're saying Atlanta wants a power runner for their new blocking scheme, and there are reports SD would trade Turner for a high 2nd rounder.

 

Think he'd cost too much money?

 

Jerious Norwood has shown plenty of potential. He's not a power runner, but there's other needs to fill and no reason to give up on him. If they were that concerned about a power runner for their scheme, they could have kept the more than capable Justin Griffith at a reasonable price to compliment Dunn/Norwood.

[nobody 2,654]

Why? How are these related?

 

If we're just interjecting unrelated theories in this thread, I bet the Lions wish they could re-do the last 50 years now

 

I think he's trying to say that the Bears could've gotten more for Thomas Jones based on what Houston gave up to get Schaub. Although, I don't even remember what the Jets gave up to get Jones so I don't know if it's true or not.

[boogaloobboy 0]

To all of you thinking this is going to lead to a move for C. Johnson forget it. That is simply not the direction the franchise is going in. The team has immense needs on both lines after Kerney leaves, most likely scenario is that they take the highest rated end on the board or try to trade back down to 11-13ish and hope for Ogunlye. Buzz here in Atlanta was immediatley that they were going to target Adrian Peterson with the newly aquired picks but I don't think thats the play either. Lets review shall we.......

 

Falcons positional needs

 

DE help as they only have one legit starter and he is made of glass (John Abraham)-there are players rated 8-10 on the boards at this position

 

LB- there isn't a MLB on the roster, Brooking is aging and Demarrio Williams is still out there as a restricted FA -There isn't a LB in this draft among the top 15-20 players

 

CB- Hall is solid but the need for a second cover man exists. I would like to see them take one at 38 or 42. There are a few solid corners in this draft but one should be available in the front end of round 2.

 

Safety- Assuming that Williams gets moved over to safety that fills the hole there. Mathis/Crocker/Milloy and Williams (2nd round pick last year had first round grade) should be able to fill that out.

 

DT- Clearly another need here as Coleman is aging and Lavelae isn't a full time talent. I love the Louisvillle DT and Petrino probably does too. I wouldn't be upset to see him taken at 8 but would have been more happy with him at 10.

 

QB- Obviously a backup to Vick, Anthony Wright is the name hot right now. Draft won't help here and neither will DJ Shockley. No way they draft QB first or even second round.

 

RB- They have boatloads of money tied up but Dunn is old. Still Norwood should be given a chance and now that Bush is falling into the second day I can see a flier being taken. Those flyer picks are a lot easier to stomach when you have an additional 2 to fill out your draft. Wouldn't hate the pick of AP if he is there I don't see passing him but if they take him Dunn has to be cut.

 

WR- White is still year 2 and Jenkins has shown he can at least move the chains. If White blossoms year 3 into the deep guy and Jenkins becomes a possesion guy they may be ok. Horn is gonna be solid and at the very least give the young guys the mentor they never had. With $$$ invested in Horn AND two first round picks plus the cost to move up to 2 or 3 and nab CJ I see no way they take reciever here.

 

TE- Solid.

 

OL- They need to replace one tackle one guard and possibley the center. Thomas is gone and its to early for Levi. I bet money they look at Grubbs out of AU in round 2 if he's there but at least 1 and probably 2 of these first 3 picks are going to be used on BIG drive blocking lineman.

 

Basically my dream scenario is trade down to 11/12 and still get Ogunlye while picking up a 2 or 3 for next year. Then going Guard/Tackle or OL/CB with the two second round picks.

[Groundhog 24]

In Houston, the OL is pronounced "Ole!"

 

Schaub is going to be running for his life early and often.

[nobody 2,654]

But if he throws the slants and the posts, teams will respect him. If he throws the 18 yard outs, teams will fear him.

[chris_dub 0]

Not sure if it was posted:

 

Schaub, whose trade to the Texans will be officially announced today, has signed a six-year contract worth $48 million, including $7 million guaranteed. He will make $20 million over the first three years.

 

If the Texans want to keep Schaub for the last three years of the deal, they will pay him the $10 million option bonus in March 2010. In March 2006, they gave David Carr an $8 million option bonus that extended his contract for three more years.

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4649552.html

[dirty dug 0]

David Carr a Raider. From the area, grew up a fan, Tom Cable shuffles the o-line, starts Newberry, trades Moss for a 2nd rounder, draft Calvin Johnson, Jordan-Rhodes combo. I really can see this happening. Al rarely drafts a 1st round QB (only once with Marinovich).

 

I think this would be an extremely smart move on the Raiders part if they did it. If they're able to improve their OL and allow Carr to compete with Walters and whomever they draft in the 3-5 round (as I believe they will) then I feel the Raiders will see an improvement in the QB position. Carr would be a perfect fit for the Raiders.

[Ignition Technition 0]

I think this would be an extremely smart move on the Raiders part if they did it. If they're able to improve their OL and allow Carr to compete with Walters and whomever they draft in the 3-5 round (as I believe they will) then I feel the Raiders will see an improvement in the QB position. Carr would be a perfect fit for the Raiders.

 

Oakland just signed another Scrub QB as well.A guy who has been out of the league 3 years.

 

The Oakland Raiders signed quarterback Josh Booty on Wednesday. The former sixth round pick has been out of football since 2003.

 

Booty was originally selected by the Seattle Seahawks in the sixth round of the 2001 NFL Draft, the tenth quarterback taken that year. He was then acquired by the Cleveland Browns via waivers in 2001 and spent parts of three seasons with the Browns. The 31-year-old has been out of football since the second week of the 2003 season and has never thrown a pass in an NFL game.

 

Signed the wrong LSU QB

 

This is Oaklands cheap way of not having to even Draft a QB in later rounds.(Stanback would have been an Ideal Project)

 

Booty,Walter, and probably Carr.

 

Holy crap, Is the old man trying to set a new standard for crappiest collective group of QB's this league has ever seen?

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Schaub, whose trade to the Texans will be officially announced today, has signed a six-year contract worth $48 million, including $7 million guaranteed. He will make $20 million over the first three years.

 

[IN$TANT REPAY 11]

In Houston, the OL is pronounced "Ole!"

 

Schaub is going to be running for his life early and often.

 

 

There is still a very small chance that Quinn could still be there at #8. Houston could have just taken Brady Quinn at 8 and kept those 2nd round picks.....

 

 

I also believe that the Texans actually play the Falcons this year. So we will see how good that Texoran O-line is...if they can't even protect Shaub against his old team.

 

[Mack 1 6]

The Falcons have positioned themselves to make dramatic improvements next season, as they have three of the top 44 selections in the draft. Assuming they don't pull a Matt Millen, they could get a difference-maker or two with those picks.

 

The Texans sodomized themselves last year with the Mario Williams pick; now they're allowing the Falcons to bend them over the arm of the couch.

 

I didn't think an organization could be dumberer than the Lions; looks like I'm wrong.

[manola 0]

Jerious Norwood has shown plenty of potential. He's not a power runner, but there's other needs to fill and no reason to give up on him. If they were that concerned about a power runner for their scheme, they could have kept the more than capable Justin Griffith at a reasonable price to compliment Dunn/Norwood.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Norwood owner in a dynasty league and I think he's great. I've just been hearing a lot about them wanting to get a power running for their new scheme too. Although, I guess that doesn't mean they want to pay top dollar for one before seeing how Norwood does. I really hope they give him a chance and he tears it up.

 

I'm also a Turner owner in my Dynasty league, so I'm just hoping he goes somewhere!

[Ras66not99 0]

I'm guessing that Atlanta is getting some ammo to try and move up to #2 for CJ

Let's hope that's # 3, and not # 2

[yostevo 0]

 

 

I didn't think an organization could be dumberer than the Lions; looks like I'm wrong.

 

Sometimes you just have to give credit where credit is doo.

[Parja 0]

Value of Houston's 1.08 in the 2007 draft: 1,400 points

Value of Atlanta's 1.10 in the 2007 draft: 1,300 points

Value of Houston's 2nd rounder in 2007 draft (2.07): 510 points

Value of Houston's 2nd rounder in 2008 draft...trickier...most discussion I've read about trades involving future year picks is that you give it a 1-round discount for each year in the future. In other words, a 2nd rounder in '08 is more or less equivalent to a 3nd-rounder in '07. However we don't know whether that '08 pick is early in the round, or later in the round. Assume it's right in the middle at pick #16. On that basis, the value of 3.16 in this year's draft is worth 190 points.

 

Where do you get the draft pick values from?

[9-Route 0]

Where do you get the draft pick values from?

 

draft pick value chart. i dont think i can attach it to a post. shoot me an email and ill attach it to a reply.

 

rinku8411@yahoo.com

[skinsrule05 30]

But if he throws the slants and the posts, teams will respect him. If he throws the 18 yard outs, teams will fear him.

But are you really going to take football advice from a guy in a wheel chair

[LOD01 198]

I hope your not 100% serious.

 

I mean I like Schaub and think he can be good.....but they gave way too much. Spending those 2nds on quality players would have been the way to go.

You can't count on trades like the Favre one. They are less likely to heppen than to actually work out that way. And what do they have left to trade up with to get Joe Thomas?

 

It's just like Turner. The Chargers want a lot for him, I wouldn't risk a 1st round pick on a backup RB, then again I think 90% of all RBs arn't worth a 1st rounder. As for scouts seeing something in Schaub, what game footage do they have? a couple games worth? that can't be enough to give up this for a guy and fall in love with him

 

Falcons traded a bunch of picks and players to the Chargers for Vick....how did that turn out? Yes he fills seats but in winning not too much, in the end It now looks like the Falcons got robbed, and this was a for the best QB in the draft and most exciting player in a long time, Houston is trading this for a backup that was a 3rd rounder coming into the league.

 

And stick with Carr? YOU can't be serious. He's a PROVEN LOSER. He will never take a team to a winning record let alone a playoff game. With Schaub, at least they have a chance to improve now. With Carr they NEVER improved.

 

Psshh...that's beans. The Vikings should jump on this like a hobo on a ham sandwich.

 

Carr IS a hobo.

 

In Houston, the OL is pronounced "Ole!"

 

Schaub is going to be running for his life early and often.

 

 

Wrong. Another poster who has never seen a Texans game with Carr masquerading as a QB.

[listen2me 23 1,858]

And stick with Carr? YOU can't be serious. He's a PROVEN LOSER. He will never take a team to a winning record let alone a playoff game. With Schaub, at least they have a chance to improve now. With Carr they NEVER improved.

Carr IS a hobo.

Wrong. Another poster who has never seen a Texans game with Carr masquerading as a QB.

 

Im watching the same games as you....there is a reason why Carr has set the sack record....and everyone knows they have had a terrible line. Maybe Carr wasn't the answer but handing out 2nd rounders for a guy who was a 3rd rounder and has started 2 games..isn't exactly the answer either..Teams build through the draft...bad teams can't afford to give up Picks and throw a bunch of money at a guy who has started 2 games.

 

Atlanta bent Houston over on this one....if they can draft soem decent guys...Just seems to me like giving up this much on a guy who hasn't proven squat is a huge risk, that could set this franchise back another 3 years.

 

Maybe Shaub will turn out to be great, but at this point we don't know, but at this point it looks like a silly trade.

[LOD01 198]

Im watching the same games as you....there is a reason why Carr has set the sack record....and everyone knows they have had a terrible line. Maybe Carr wasn't the answer but handing out 2nd rounders for a guy who was a 3rd rounder and has started 2 games..isn't exactly the answer either..Teams build through the draft...bad teams can't afford to give up Picks and throw a bunch of money at a guy who has started 2 games.

 

Atlanta bent Houston over on this one....if they can draft soem decent guys...Just seems to me like giving up this much on a guy who hasn't proven squat is a huge risk, that could set this franchise back another 3 years.

 

Maybe Shaub will turn out to be great, but at this point we don't know, but at this point it looks like a silly trade.

 

 

As you can see, you are wrong.

 

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread...ed=1#post637079

 

Carr MAKES the O-line look bad.

 

Silly would be to keep going status quo with the WORST starting QB in the league over the last 5 years.

 

A little fact for you.

Once again, it goes like this. Week 8 vs TENN. Keith Bollock comments 'Carr is not a threat to beat us'.

 

Stat line, each playing 1/2.

PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT

S.Rosenfels 25 18 186 0/0 3 28 1 116.0

D.Carr 21 15 113 4/20 0 17 1 64.2

 

Say what you want but if the O-line was so bad, how did Rosenfels not get sacked? He only ran 1 time. Same as Carr.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

As you can see, you are wrong.

 

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread...ed=1#post637079

 

Carr MAKES the O-line look bad.

 

So you use a quote from a homer forum (one that is all opinion and no fact, I might add) to prove that listen2me is "wrong"?

 

Stat line, each playing 1/2.

PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT

S.Rosenfels 25 18 186 0/0 3 28 1 116.0

D.Carr 21 15 113 4/20 0 17 1 64.2

 

Say what you want but if the O-line was so bad, how did Rosenfels not get sacked? He only ran 1 time. Same as Carr.

 

I responded to your spurious use of these stats already, and you had no reply.

 

Ummm, you forgot to mention that those three TDs were scored during garbage time AFTER Tennessee took a 21-3 lead and took their foot off the gas pedal.

 

This is not to say that David Carr is Joe Montana, but to blame him (and him only) for Houston's woes is silly.

[T-HO 1]

If the topic is looking at the potential of qb's with no real starting stats, then look at Matt Hasselbeck. Something like 145 yds passing w/1td in his career traded for a 1st rd pick(17).

What do you think sea homers were saying when this trade was made? I like schaub's potential, but I dunno. I'm not taking him as my back-up. Bad surrounding cast. Just my 2 cents.

 

 

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=26103

[t.j 35]

If the topic is looking at the potential of qb's with no real starting stats, then look at Matt Hasselbeck. Something like 145 yds passing w/1td in his career traded for a 1st rd pick(17). What do you think sea homers were saying when this trade was made?

 

The difference is that Hasselbeck had played under Holmgren in Green Bay, and more importantly, Holmgren already had a track record of coaching up a QB to greatness. (Another guy who was traded for without having done anything goes by the name of Brett Favre!) What Hasselbeck and Favre have in common, aside from the trades they were involved in, is obviously Holmgren. I live in Seattle and I can tell you that Seahawk homers were not very optimistic about it and didn't believe in Hasselbeck until he proved it on the field (several years after the trade). Personally I never understood all the Holmgren/Hasselbeck criticism in this city and I am not the least bit surprised that the two of them went to a Super Bowl together and have won 3 straight division titles. I say that because Holmgren is a great coach. Gary Kubiak has proven nothing compared to Mike Holmgren. Even before he took the Green Bay job, Holmgren's resume was more impressive than Kubiak's is now. It really remains to be seen if Kubiak can coach up a promising quarterback to greatness.

[Bigunreal1 0]

As you can see, you are wrong.

 

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread...ed=1#post637079

 

Carr MAKES the O-line look bad.

 

Silly would be to keep going status quo with the WORST starting QB in the league over the last 5 years.

 

A little fact for you.

Once again, it goes like this. Week 8 vs TENN. Keith Bollock comments 'Carr is not a threat to beat us'.

 

Stat line, each playing 1/2.

PASSING ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD LG IN RT

S.Rosenfels 25 18 186 0/0 3 28 1 116.0

D.Carr 21 15 113 4/20 0 17 1 64.2

 

Say what you want but if the O-line was so bad, how did Rosenfels not get sacked? He only ran 1 time. Same as Carr.

 

 

You sound stupid enough to join the Houston front office. You also sound like the drunk derelicts in every NFL stadium where the home team is struggling. Yeah, it's always the quarterback. Football games are won up front. Period. Offensive lines have won Super Bowls for immortal QBs like Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien and Brad Johnson. Other all-time great QBs like Joe Kapp, David Woodley, Stan Humphries, Tony Eason and Rex Grossman have "led" teams to Super Bowls because of their offensive lines. It's so frustrating to listen to idiots like you give all the credit and all the blame to one player, who is dependent upon the line in front of him, not to mention the receivers and backs he delivers the ball to, in order for his team to succeed.

 

David Carr was never given a single real offensive weapon, outside of Andre Johnson in five years as QB. Not a single franchise back. Not a single high-priced free-agent WR or TE (don't tell me that washed up Eric Moulds qualifies there. Btw, wasn't it hilarious how Moulds jumped on the hate Carr bandwagon after last season, and then was CUT by the team? What an impact player!) Most incredibly, the Texans never pursued any high profile offensive linemen during those five years, and never drafted an offensive linemen higher than last year's two 3rd rounders. No highly-drafted QB in modern history has been left to his own devices by his team in this way. The fact that EVERYONE in the league was trashing their considently horrendous offensive line for years, and the team still didn't respond by trying to fix it at all, is testimony to how incredibly inept they were (and are). This moronic trade just provides further evidence of that. If David Carr gets a chance somewhere else, and is not too shell-shocked from years of terrible abuse (not to mention mental and emotional fatigue and loss of confidence because of bad management, bad coaching and unknowledgable lemmings like you blaming him for everything), then he will show the Tecans that he is indeed a great player.

[LOD01 198]

You sound stupid enough to join the Houston front office. You also sound like the drunk derelicts in every NFL stadium where the home team is struggling. Yeah, it's always the quarterback. Football games are won up front. Period. Offensive lines have won Super Bowls for immortal QBs like Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien and Brad Johnson. Other all-time great QBs like Joe Kapp, David Woodley, Stan Humphries, Tony Eason and Rex Grossman have "led" teams to Super Bowls because of their offensive lines. It's so frustrating to listen to idiots like you give all the credit and all the blame to one player, who is dependent upon the line in front of him, not to mention the receivers and backs he delivers the ball to, in order for his team to succeed.

 

David Carr was never given a single real offensive weapon, outside of Andre Johnson in five years as QB. Not a single franchise back. Not a single high-priced free-agent WR or TE (don't tell me that washed up Eric Moulds qualifies there. Btw, wasn't it hilarious how Moulds jumped on the hate Carr bandwagon after last season, and then was CUT by the team? What an impact player!) Most incredibly, the Texans never pursued any high profile offensive linemen during those five years, and never drafted an offensive linemen higher than last year's two 3rd rounders. No highly-drafted QB in modern history has been left to his own devices by his team in this way. The fact that EVERYONE in the league was trashing their considently horrendous offensive line for years, and the team still didn't respond by trying to fix it at all, is testimony to how incredibly inept they were (and are). This moronic trade just provides further evidence of that. If David Carr gets a chance somewhere else, and is not too shell-shocked from years of terrible abuse (not to mention mental and emotional fatigue and loss of confidence because of bad management, bad coaching and unknowledgable lemmings like you blaming him for everything), then he will show the Texans that he is indeed a great player. If you hold your breath waiting, you will die.

 

What Moulds is, is a player seeing Carr suck weekly and wondering why he signed up. YOU on the other hand are totally clueless. Tards like you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Name all the high priced Tom Brady WR's, TE's RB's, etc. Don't blabber when I can make you look so foolish. You embarrass yourself.

 

Let me add that many are now coming out saying what I have said for 3+ years now. The excuses of o-line, coaching, no weapons, etc. where just that: Excuses for a hack, bum QB. ESPN announcers are now saying it, Brad Childress with NO QB is now saying it and wants nothing to do with this ZERO, NFL.com showed tape of this LOSER watching Andre run a wide open crossing route, yet he sucks so bad he just stared Andre down UNTIL he was sacked. INEXCUSABLE.

 

 

The more I think about it, the more I realize what a MORON you are.

 

You of course, would continue LOSING with the WORST Starting QB in the last 5 years....NO CONTEST.

 

Isn't it interesting that in the same game, Fat Ron Dayne ran for 5.8 ypc and David Carr couldn't pass his way out of a torn, wet paper bag...4 INT's. Yeah, that o-line sucks, the RB's suck. Idiot. Hey, thanks for playing though. YOU LOSE. THe reason they don't draft linemen high is they know, that is not the problem. They addressed the problem and that POS is gone. Good riddance.

 

 

IDIOT.

[LOD01 198]

So you use a quote from a homer forum (one that is all opinion and no fact, I might add) to prove that listen2me is "wrong"?

I responded to your spurious use of these stats already, and you had no reply.

This is not to say that David Carr is Joe Montana, but to blame him (and him only) for Houston's woes is silly.

 

 

You hammerhead. That is what they NOW are saying. For 5 years they thought like you and made the excuses you and the other guy cling too. They have woken up, why don't you.

 

Those homers loved carr and last year were raving about what a great move the $8 mil toilet flush was. Now they realize that when I said, 'you will still be losers, with carr', they now agree.

[LOD01 198]

(Foghorn Leghorn @ Mar 21 2007, 05:39 PM) 3053717[/snapback]

 

Ummm, you forgot to mention that those three TDs were scored during garbage time AFTER Tennessee took a 21-3 lead and took their foot off the gas pedal.

 

So Garbage time is the 3rd quarter huh? Were you coaching the Titans? Were you in on this so called 'we will let up on them' statement? Where's your proof? They were down 11 points with 1 full Quarter to play. So by your accounts, that is insurrmountable. Advice to you: Don't apply for a job in the NFL.

 

The Bengals were up by 28-7 at the same time in one of their games this past year vs. the Chargers...did they also let up in your so called garbage time, because THEY LOST.

 

NO team in the NFL lets up in the 3rd Q. The above result proves that.

[Belushi 9]

I really don't understand this trade. I don't see Schaub as any better than Carr really. I think Houston fans are going to wish the Texans kept those draft picks. They have enough other holes on that team.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

You hammerhead. That is what they NOW are saying. For 5 years they thought like you and made the excuses you and the other guy cling too. They have woken up, why don't you.

 

Those homers loved carr and last year were raving about what a great move the $8 mil toilet flush was. Now they realize that when I said, 'you will still be losers, with carr', they now agree.

 

Listen JahRasta,

 

At the risk of opening the floodgates to further namecalling:

-I repeat, I NEVER said David Carr was great. All I said was that he wasn't the lone reason the Texans suck. Capice?

-you can spin your take on your stats any way you want. But answer me this then: if your stats had any meaning at all, then why didn't Houston just stick with Rosenfels as the starter and save themselves all those draft picks that could have been used to fix other problems?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

David Carr a Raider. From the area, grew up a fan, Tom Cable shuffles the o-line, starts Newberry, trades Moss for a 2nd rounder, draft Calvin Johnson, Jordan-Rhodes combo. I really can see this happening. Al rarely drafts a 1st round QB (only once with Marinovich).

 

For his sake, I hope not. I mean, let's trade the poor bastard from the 2nd worst offense in the league, to the absolute worst. Although, he is used to playing behind a crappy line.

[Texansfan 0]

The Falcons have positioned themselves to make dramatic improvements next season, as they have three of the top 44 selections in the draft. Assuming they don't pull a Matt Millen, they could get a difference-maker or two with those picks.

 

The Texans sodomized themselves last year with the Mario Williams pick; now they're allowing the Falcons to bend them over the arm of the couch.

 

I didn't think an organization could be dumberer than the Lions; looks like I'm wrong.

 

Funny how everyone is so quick to bash the Texans for making this trade without even seeing what Schaub can do. Why don't we let the guy get on the field before you start saying how bad the Texans got screwed. If he turns out to be the next Tom Brady or Matt Hasselbeck Falcons are the ones that got screwed by keeping that RB for a QB they have in Vick.

 

The Texans did NOT want to draft another rookie QB and have to take the time to groom him. Schaub is ready to go and knows the EXACT system Kubiak runs. He's a perfect fit.

 

And who knows about the 2nd round picks. There is no sure bet in the draft. If you have the opportunity to a player you covet and improve you NOW, especailly a QB which is the most important position on the field, you do it.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Funny how everyone is so quick to bash the Texans for making this trade without even seeing what Schaub can do. Why don't we let the guy get on the field before you start saying how bad the Texans got screwed. If he turns out to be the next Tom Brady or Matt Hasselbeck Falcons are the ones that got screwed by keeping that RB for a QB they have in Vick.

 

The Texans did NOT want to draft another rookie QB and have to take the time to groom him. Schaub is ready to go and knows the EXACT system Kubiak runs. He's a perfect fit.

 

And who knows about the 2nd round picks. There is no sure bet in the draft. If you have the opportunity to a player you covet and improve you NOW, especailly a QB which is the most important position on the field, you do it.

 

Trust me, there is a reason Petrino is letting this trade happen. Altanta is willing to part ways with him even with an "INJURY" prone QB at the helm.

[Super Cubs 154]

The Texans did NOT want to draft another rookie QB and have to take the time to groom him. Schaub is ready to go and knows the EXACT system Kubiak runs. He's a perfect fit.

 

As a Texans fan I agree and do not what to wait for a rookie to develope.

 

Trust me, there is a reason Petrino is letting this trade happen. Altanta is willing to part ways with him even with an "INJURY" prone QB at the helm.

 

The reason they let the trade happen is to get something in return. Instead of loosing him next season and getting nothing.

[49ER MAN 0]

Listen JahRasta,

 

At the risk of opening the floodgates to further namecalling:

-I repeat, I NEVER said David Carr was great. All I said was that he wasn't the lone reason the Texans suck. Capice?

-you can spin your take on your stats any way you want. But answer me this then: if your stats had any meaning at all, then why didn't Houston just stick with Rosenfels as the starter and save themselves all those draft picks that could have been used to fix other problems?

 

It's obvious he can't answer your question...

[listen2me 23 1,858]

It's obvious he can't answer your question...

 

Yea LOD just likes to call people names....I think he broke the record in this thread....

 

As a Texans fan I agree and do not what to wait for a rookie to develope.

The reason they let the trade happen is to get something in return. Instead of loosing him next season and getting nothing.

 

You do not want to wait for a rookie to develope??

 

So you think the Texans can win now with a decent QB?

 

I dont really get it...by the time a rookie would develop maybe teh rest of teh Texans would too. A bad team needs to build through the draft, not go spend multiple high picks on a guy who has started 2 games...

 

The should have traded down last year and drafted anyone of those QBs....but no they got "SUPER MARIO" haha...

[Super Cubs 154]

Yea LOD just likes to call people names....I think he broke the record in this thread....

You do not want to wait for a rookie to develope??

 

So you think the Texans can win now with a decent QB?

 

I dont really get it...by the time a rookie would develop maybe teh rest of teh Texans would too. A bad team needs to build through the draft, not go spend multiple high picks on a guy who has started 2 games...

 

The should have traded down last year and drafted anyone of those QBs....but no they got "SUPER MARIO" haha...

I hope the Texans can win with a decent QB. We've been waiting on Carr a top draft pick to be a winning QB for 5 years and to be honest I tired of waiting. The Houston fans are tired of waiting. I don't think a rookie is the way to go. Schaub has two years and two games under his belt. Not saying he's any better than Carr but he is a different player and some times change is good. Hopefully he'll be a good fit.

 

31 other teams all had the chance to trade up and none did. I think the jury is still out on "SUPER MARIO". Was Bruce Smith a Pro Bowler his rookie year? Not saying he's the next Bruce Smith just that its to early to tell. Everyone wants result now. Some times a player is like with ketchup you have to wait.

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I hope the Texans can win with a decent QB. We've been waiting on Carr a top draft pick to be a winning QB for 5 years and to be honest I tired of waiting. The Houston fans are tired of waiting. I don't think a rookie is the way to go. Schaub has two years and two games under his belt. Not saying he's any better than Carr but he is a different player and some times change is good. Hopefully he'll be a good fit.

 

31 other teams all had the chance to trade up and none did. I think the jury is still out on "SUPER MARIO". Was Bruce Smith a Pro Bowler his rookie year? Not saying he's the next Bruce Smith just that its to early to tell. Everyone wants result now. Some times a player is like with ketchup you have to wait.

 

Im not saying Mario will flat out suck, but when you have a prospect like Bush sitting right there for you and 3 good QBs right there (specially when the team is frusterated with Carr and decided to get rid of him the very next year) you take one.

 

At the draft last year did they plan on Carr turning it around? and being there next year (meaning this year)? If they did then they obviously didnt do a good job....if they didn't then why didn't they just move down and take a QB? When you have no RB and a QB that has had his time and hasnt panned out, why pass on Bush and 3 very good QBs? It just makes no sense. Instead you ended up trading a bunch of picks for a backup QB who has proved no more than a rookie, only differance is he has been in the league a few years...

 

Sorry to say but the Texans are not a decent QB away from anything....if Schaub comes in and does pretty well, I wouldn't plan on much more than 6-7 wins, they play in a Div. with the Colts, Jags, and improving (Vince Young led!) Titans. If I were a Texans fan Id be mad that I didn't end up with Cutler, Leinart, Young, or Bush...all of them had solid or very good rookie seasons...

 

Going with Mario just to spend a bunch of picks on a backup QB the next year doesn't seem worth it when you had 3 quality rookie QBs right there to take at #1 or trade down and end up with more picks...not too mention any of the 4 rookies I have mentioned would have put more excitment and brought more money in than Mario......when you are not happy with you QB and do not have a healthy RB and there are stars in the draft at each position and you hold the number 1 pick....your in the drivers seat....you take one!

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I find it interesting to go back and read some of the discussion (above) on Carr vs. the Texans O-line in regards to who was at fault for the bad play knowing what we know now.

 

I find it annoying when people hunt down and bump up OLD conversations.

 

Of course arguments are different between then and now.

Hindsights a beautiful thing.

 

[nobody 2,654]

I enjoy how wrong most people are on pretty much everything on this board.

[Gepetto 1,356]

I find it interesting to go back and read some of the discussion (above) on Carr vs. the Texans O-line in regards to who was at fault for the bad play knowing what we know now.