If Favre wins the Superbowl

[Dan 66]

What does this mean?

 

I think it's a reference to the fact that Mike Martz' arrogance may have played a hand in the Patriots being in position to win with a last-second field goal. Playing against a team that had shown no ability, to that point in the game, to stop the run, Martz decided to pass, pass, pass.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Joe Montana is the greatest QB! Favre is not even close and he choked in his second Superbowl appearance. Stick a fork in this guy, he is overrated!

 

Favre was supposed to stop TD?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Peyton Manning recently surpassed Dan Marino in my book as the greatest all time. And I'm a Dolphin fan. I put Farve around 6th or so because of his propensity for turnovers.

 

Yet...his TD to INT ratio is quite good.

Beats out Marino in ever passing stat.

More wins.

3 MVPs.

1 ring.

 

Dan....great QB...but no way to put him over guys like Montana, Favre, and Brady.

Manning has yet to surpass any of those guys at this point of his career.

[49ers_suck 0]

Yet...his TD to INT ratio is quite good.

Beats out Marino in ever passing stat.

More wins.

3 MVPs.

1 ring.

 

Dan....great QB...but no way to put him over guys like Montana, Favre, and Brady.

Manning has yet to surpass any of those guys at this point of his career.

you forgot that favre is overrated.

 

seriously, this guy can do no wrong in the public's eyes. i'll put him in the top 5 of all time. his playoff record, and his gunslinger ways keep him from #1, imo.

[donhaas 19]

Favre > Dilfer > Aikman > Charlie Batch > Romo

 

 

sounds about right

[NewbieJr 541]

Yet...his TD to INT ratio is quite good.

Beats out Marino in ever passing stat.

More wins.

3 MVPs.

1 ring.

 

Dan....great QB...but no way to put him over guys like Montana, Favre, and Brady.

Manning has yet to surpass any of those guys at this point of his career.

Marino's main downfall was that he never played wth a hall of fame receiver or a real good running back. A quarterback is the centerpiece of any team, and they get the credit and/or blame for championships or lack thereof. I realize that, but think of the stats that Marino put up with that cast of supporting players.

 

As long as he played, it's hard to remember him ever having a stud running back behind him. Sammy Malone? Karim Abdul Jabar? Tony Nathan?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Marino's main downfall was that he never played wth a hall of fame receiver or a real good running back. A quarterback is the centerpiece of any team, and they get the credit and/or blame for championships or lack thereof. I realize that, but think of the stats that Marino put up with that cast of supporting players.

 

As long as he played, it's hard to remember him ever having a stud running back behind him. Sammy Malone? Karim Abdul Jabar? Tony Nathan?

 

And Favre has?

What WRs did Favre have that were HOFers? Sharpe could have been. but his career ended short.

RBs? Hah!!!!

[NewbieJr 541]

And Favre has?

What WRs did Favre have that were HOFers? Sharpe could have been. but his career ended short.

RBs? Hah!!!!

I'd actually say the same thing about Favre. He was more than just a gatekeeper QB who was surrounded by an awesome team. Favre and Marino had similar talent surrounding them (although I think Sharpe may have been better than any receiver Marino ever had. Same for Ahman Green at RB).

Marino made one Super Bowl and lost. After that, his stats were great, but it couldn't overcome the team he was on.

[parrot 790]

I think it's a reference to the fact that Mike Martz' arrogance may have played a hand in the Patriots being in position to win with a last-second field goal. Playing against a team that had shown no ability, to that point in the game, to stop the run, Martz decided to pass, pass, pass.

 

The Rams went into the fourth quarter down by fourteen, tied it on their last possession, and then lost on the Patriots' last possession.

 

You could maybe argue that they maybe should have run more earlier in the game as the picks played a huge part in the outcome, but passing was a huge part of that offense and you dance with the one that brung ya. If they had committed to the run and still lost people would say they should have passed more. Hard to fault Martz too much for engineering a 14 point fourth quarter rally a.k.a. "when the game was on the line".

[parrot 790]

Peyton Manning recently surpassed Dan Marino in my book as the greatest all time. And I'm a Dolphin fan. I put Farve around 6th or so because of his propensity for turnovers.

 

I think Marino is the best pure passer I've seen and Montana the best field general. But I agree that Manning may have surpassed Marino as far as being a pure passer, and I think Brady is pressing Montana in the field general type of qualities.

 

I find Favre tough to quantify, I don't know that he is a great passer on par with Marino or Manning or a great field general on par with Montana or Brady, but he has enough combined qualities to make him great nonetheless. I do think his willingness to take chances has helped him compile a lot of his stats but at the same time has cost his team at times.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I am surprised that the "Favre is a Twat" alias has not shown his face in this thread

[donhaas 19]

I am surprised that the "Favre is a Twat" alias has not shown his face in this thread

 

I was thinking this the other day, but I forgot to post it...

 

 

MDC hasn't made it over to this side very often with Phillie not doing so well...

[Dan 66]

The Rams went into the fourth quarter down by fourteen, tied it on their last possession, and then lost on the Patriots' last possession.

 

You could maybe argue that they maybe should have run more earlier in the game as the picks played a huge part in the outcome, but passing was a huge part of that offense and you dance with the one that brung ya. If they had committed to the run and still lost people would say they should have passed more. Hard to fault Martz too much for engineering a 14 point fourth quarter rally a.k.a. "when the game was on the line".

 

It would have been easier to buy that as an argument if they had been using the run throughout the game and just been unsuccessful. But that was not the case. They simply did not run. Yes, the 4th quarter highlighted an impressive comeback, but it was nothing new . . . it just started getting all the way to the end zone. The run was abandoned early, which was mystifying, given that they were averaging a ridiculous number at the time.

 

Just saying . . .

 

And I was rooting for the Patriots that Super Bowl.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

I think Marino is the best pure passer I've seen and Montana the best field general. But I agree that Manning may have surpassed Marino as far as being a pure passer, and I think Brady is pressing Montana in the field general type of qualities.

 

I find Favre tough to quantify, I don't know that he is a great passer on par with Marino or Manning or a great field general on par with Montana or Brady, but he has enough combined qualities to make him great nonetheless. I do think his willingness to take chances has helped him compile a lot of his stats but at the same time has cost his team at times.

I agree with much of this. I always considered Manning a Marino-type, while Brady is more of a Montana-type. Favre is a gambler in an otherwise normally-conservative position. QBs are taught as children to "not make a big mistake". The most successful QBs in the league are the ones who have normally been successful in following that advice. Favre is just the opposite. He has probably made more passes that have made me wonder what the heck he was thinking, than any other quarterback in history. On the other hand, the fantastic plays he's made, when other QBs might have taken a sack or thrown the ball out of bounds, easily makes up for it.

There hasn't been a quarterback since I've been watching football that you can put in the same category, style-wise, as Favre.

[parrot 790]

It would have been easier to buy that as an argument if they had been using the run throughout the game and just been unsuccessful. But that was not the case. They simply did not run. Yes, the 4th quarter highlighted an impressive comeback, but it was nothing new . . . it just started getting all the way to the end zone. The run was abandoned early, which was mystifying, given that they were averaging a ridiculous number at the time.

 

Just saying . . .

 

And I was rooting for the Patriots that Super Bowl.

 

I won't disagree that they would have been well-served to give the ball to Faulk more througout the game, but I think gocolts phrasing was misleading in that it suggests there was a point in that game where they could have just given it to Faulk a few times and somehow salted the game away. That wasn't at all what actually transpired.

[listen2me 23 1,964]

you forgot that favre is overrated.

 

seriously, this guy can do no wrong in the public's eyes. i'll put him in the top 5 of all time. his playoff record, and his gunslinger ways keep him from #1, imo.

 

I think we should actually take this guys advice serious....he is a caowboys fan, he knows overated.

 

Emmitt was one of the most overated players ever

 

and

 

Romo might be the most overated player in today's game.

[parrot 790]

I agree with much of this. I always considered Manning a Marino-type, while Brady is more of a Montana-type. Favre is a gambler in an otherwise normally-conservative position. QBs are taught as children to "not make a big mistake". The most successful QBs in the league are the ones who have normally been successful in following that advice. Favre is just the opposite. He has probably made more passes that have made me wonder what the heck he was thinking, than any other quarterback in history. On the other hand, the fantastic plays he's made, when other QBs might have taken a sack or thrown the ball out of bounds, easily makes up for it.

There hasn't been a quarterback since I've been watching football that you can put in the same category, style-wise, as Favre.

 

 

And it's worth noting that that gambling attitude is part of why so many people love Favre. He's not a machine out there, he does make mistakes, he does make some plays that just make you shake your head. But he always gets up, dusts himself off and turns around and makes plays that are .

 

I don't know if Favre is the greatest QB ever, but he's been the most fun to watch. Whatever else his performances might be, they are almost always entertaining.

[listen2me 23 1,964]

I agree with much of this. I always considered Manning a Marino-type, while Brady is more of a Montana-type. Favre is a gambler in an otherwise normally-conservative position. QBs are taught as children to "not make a big mistake". The most successful QBs in the league are the ones who have normally been successful in following that advice. Favre is just the opposite. He has probably made more passes that have made me wonder what the heck he was thinking, than any other quarterback in history. On the other hand, the fantastic plays he's made, when other QBs might have taken a sack or thrown the ball out of bounds, easily makes up for it.

There hasn't been a quarterback since I've been watching football that you can put in the same category, style-wise, as Favre.

 

As a fan even if he isn't the best ever and Brady ends up with 6 SB to Favre's 1, I will still take Favre and the entertainment he brings.

 

No other QB playing right now comes close to how fun it is to watch Favre play, even at age 38.

[Dan 66]

 

And it's worth noting that that gambling attitude is part of why so many people love Favre. He's not a machine out there, he does make mistakes, he does make some plays that just make you shake your head. But he always gets up, dusts himself off and turns around and makes plays that are .

 

I don't know if Favre is the greatest QB ever, but he's been the most fun to watch. Whatever else his performances might be, they are almost always entertaining.

 

What's lost in this analysis is that Favre is not just entertaining. He is a leader, and he may be the best leader listed in this thread. Certainly this is a critical component in evaluating any quarterback, and is more of a reason that people love him than the gambling attitude. My opinion, but I am one of the ones that "loves that" about him.

[parrot 790]

What's lost in this analysis is that Favre is not just entertaining. He is a leader, and he may be the best leader listed in this thread. Certainly this is a critical component in evaluating any quarterback, and is more of a reason that people love him than the gambling attitude. My opinion, but I am one of the ones that "loves that" about him.

 

I agree for the most part, though I'm sure we could have another eight page thread just on who the best leader is.

 

But just as a point of order I never said he was "just entertaining" and I did say it was "part" of the reason people love him. Never meant to imply it was the sole reason.

[Dan 66]

I agree for the most part, though I'm sure we could have another eight page thread just on who the best leader is.

 

But just as a point of order I never said he was "just entertaining" and I did say it was "part" of the reason people love him. Never meant to imply it was the sole reason.

 

Noted, and I know that you don't throw such extremes out there, as far as I've seen in your posts. I was merely advancing my own case for Favre, and so emphasizing another quality.

[Pimptaddy 0]

Favre was supposed to stop TD?

 

 

Reggie White was supposed to stop him!

[Pimptaddy 0]

sounds about right

 

 

LOL! Aikman > Favre

[Pimptaddy 0]

Yeah cause your opinions are the "end all, be all".

 

 

Actually, this is not just my opinion. Montana is considered the greatest QB of the modern era and Unitas is considered the greatest prior to the modern era. They are both widely considered the two greatest QBs of all time and even their haters place them both in the top 5 of all time.

[donhaas 19]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpIfbneeHg...feature=related

 

 

Great song!!!!

 

 

I think it was a hit the last time the Dallas Lions won a playoff game!!!!

[Pimptaddy 0]

Great song!!!!

I think it was a hit the last time the Dallas Lions won a playoff game!!!!

 

 

The song is from 1985 and the last time I checked........Dallas had a dynasty in the 1990's and won :first: titles.

[donhaas 19]

The song is from 1985 and the last time I checked........Dallas had a dynasty in the 1990's and won :first: titles.

 

Q. Who has more playoff victories since then -- Dallas or Detroit???

 

 

I'll give you some time

[Pimptaddy 0]

Q. Who has more playoff victories since then -- Dallas or Detroit???

I'll give you some time

 

 

Puny little Green Bay, always talking about a meaningless playoff win. In Dallas we set the bar higher and go for titles. Dallas is the most successful team in the modern era and Detroit is the least successful team in the modern era. Dallas has eight Superbowl appearances and five wins, while Green Bay has only won one title in the last 40 years. LOL! Gay Bay Fudge Packers!

[donhaas 19]

I had a friend was a big baseball player

Back in high school

He could throw that speedball by you

Make you look like a fool boy

Saw him the other night at this roadside bar

I was walking in, he was walking out

We went back inside sat down had a few drinks

But all he kept talking about was

 

Chorus:

Glory days well they'll pass you by

Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye

Glory days, glory days

 

Well there's a girl that lives up the block

Back in school she could turn all the boy's heads

Sometimes on a friday i'll stop by

And have a few drinks after she put her kids to bed

Her and her husband bobby well they split up

I guess it's two years gone by now

We just sit around talking about the old times,

She says when she feels like crying

She starts laughing thinking about

 

Chorus

 

My old man worked 20 years on the line

And they let him go

Now everywhere he goes out looking for work

They just tell him that he's too old

I was 9 nine years old and he was working at the

Metuchen ford plant assembly line

Now he just sits on a stool down at the legion hall

But i can tell what's on his mind

 

Glory days yeah goin back

Glory days aw he ain't never had

Glory days, glory days

 

Now i think i'm going down to the well tonight

And i'm going to drink till i get my fill

And i hope when i get old i don't sit around thinking about it

But i probably will

Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture

A little of the glory of, well time slips away

And leaves you with nothing mister but

Boring stories of glory days

 

 

Yes... that's a great song.... staubach was great....

 

 

You didn't answer my question.... who has more playoff victories over the last 13 years???: Detroit Lions or Dallas Cowboys

 

 

 

Dallas Lions

[Pimptaddy 0]

Yes... that's a great song.... staubach was great....

You didn't answer my question.... who has more playoff victories over the last 13 years???: Detroit Lions or Dallas Cowboys

Dallas Lions

 

 

LOL! I can't believe you spent your Friday night typing that long post.

[donhaas 19]

LOL! I can't believe you spent your Friday night typing that long post.

 

It's called copy and paste.... you've done it before....

 

 

 

You know I'm just joking with you, pimp....

 

I don't want to piss you off too much because we're going to need your updates on figure skating while the rest of us our watching our football teams...

[Day Old Doughnut 0]

Puny little Green Bay, always talking about a meaningless playoff win.

 

Yeah, those playoff wins don't mean squat. It's much more impressive to go 13-3 in the regular season and be sitting at home than having to play for the right to go to the Super Bowl.

 

[Pimptaddy 0]

It's called copy and paste.... you've done it before....

You know I'm just joking with you, pimp....

 

I don't want to piss you off too much because we're going to need your updates on figure skating while the rest of us our watching our football teams...

 

The retards are out tonight in force. You and your fudge packer friends are so stupid.

[Day Old Doughnut 0]

The retards are out tonight in force.

 

So says the leader of the troops.

 

[Pimptaddy 0]

So says the leader of the troops.

 

 

 

You are the leader!

[Sho Nuff 720]

Puny little Green Bay, always talking about a meaningless playoff win. In Dallas we set the bar higher and go for titles. Dallas is the most successful team in the modern era and Detroit is the least successful team in the modern era. Dallas has eight Superbowl appearances and five wins, while Green Bay has only won one title in the last 40 years. LOL! Gay Bay Fudge Packers!

 

You mean like the title GB won after the 96 season?

 

Dallas is not the most successful team in the modern era.

Look straight to Pitt and how many rings they have for that.

Green Bay has 12 titles overall...umm...thats more than Dallas too.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The retards are out tonight in force. You and your fudge packer friends are so stupid.

 

The only retard here is you.

And you dumb down this board every time you log in.

[Mr. Dynasty 0]

 

And it's worth noting that that gambling attitude is part of why so many people love Favre. He's not a machine out there, he does make mistakes, he does make some plays that just make you shake your head. But he always gets up, dusts himself off and turns around and makes plays that are .

 

I don't know if Favre is the greatest QB ever, but he's been the most fun to watch. Whatever else his performances might be, they are almost always entertaining.

 

 

Favre = Phil

Brady = Tiger

[Pimptaddy 0]

The only retard here is you.

And you dumb down this board every time you log in.

 

 

You are a funny guy!

[donhaas 19]

Favre = Phil

Brady = Tiger

 

 

Brady was John Daly until he got Moss to caddy for him.