If Favre wins the Superbowl

[NewbieJr 541]

And you Dallas fans just want to whine about GB because you have not won a playoff game in how long now?

 

Yeah...I must be sucking him off with my first post in this thread right...

Trivia:

Who's won more playoff games, Tony Romo or the accounting guy who sits three cubicles down from me?

 

 

Answer in a bit.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Trivia:

Who's won more playoff games, Tony Romo or the accounting guy who sits three cubicles down from me?

Answer in a bit.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Trivia:

Who's won more playoff games, Tony Romo or the accounting guy who sits three cubicles down from me?

Answer in a bit.

That is a tough one. How about a hint?

 

I do know that they reported in the Boston Globe that the Patriots have won 16 playoff games since the last time the Cowboys won a playoff game.

[KSB2424 3,174]

If you asked Philip Rivers where he ranks himself in this list he would prolly say somewhere between Marino and Bradshaw.

[parrot 790]

Brady needed outstanding coaching, defense, and the heroics of a 5'6, 122 pound kicker to barely, barely, barely sneak by three of the worst super bowl contestants in history.

 

I know I shouldn't take this bait, but on the outside chance than anyone is taking these statements remotely seriously or giving them a hint credence; Favre won one Superbowl with the best defense in the league, Mike Holmgren as his coach, and the heroics of the only kick returner ever to be named MVP I believe. Yes they won by 14, but they were also 14 point favorites. Favre played well but was surrounded by a very good supporting cast as well.

 

And yeah, that Rams team the Pats beat was just horrible, that's why the Pats were 14 point dogs going in. What was the score of their playoff game against the Packers again, 45-17? How many times did they pick Favre in that game? 6 you say?!

[Sho Nuff 720]

I know I shouldn't take this bait, but on the outside chance than anyone is taking these statements remotely seriously or giving them a hint credence; Favre won one Superbowl with the best defense in the league, Mike Holmgren as his coach, and the heroics of the only kick returner ever to be named MVP I believe. Yes they won by 14, but they were also 14 point favorites. Favre played well but was surrounded by a very good supporting cast as well.

 

And yeah, that Rams team the Pats beat was just horrible, that's why the Pats were 14 point dogs going in. What was the score of their playoff game against the Packers again, 45-17? How many times did they pick Favre in that game? 6 you say?!

 

To counter that.

Brady won an MVP while throwing for what...about 150 yards and 1 touch?

Favre threw for 250, 2 TDs, 0INTs, and rushed a TD as well. (not a little forward one yard sneak over the line either).

[NewbieJr 541]

What was the score of their playoff game against the Packers again, 45-17? How many times did they pick Favre in that game? 6 you say?!

Way to 'conveniently' leave out the fact that there was a terrible breeze as the result of a heating duct malfunction for that game.

[parrot 790]

To counter that.

Brady won an MVP while throwing for what...about 150 yards and 1 touch?

Favre threw for 250, 2 TDs, 0INTs, and rushed a TD as well. (not a little forward one yard sneak over the line either).

 

Favre played well in a solid team effort, and could have been named MVP. Brady played well in a solid team effort and someone else could have been named MVP. No argument here. I would have been fine with it if they had awarded that MVP to Ty Law or someone else on the defense.

 

I'm not really trying to knock Favre, I'm just countering this Donhaas silliness that Favre was packing his team in his one SB victory while Brady was along for the ride in his three.

[listen2me 23 1,964]

Favre is not going to win it this year. Brady is the top guy if he keeps winning titles at his current pace.

 

Go Cowboys!

[redtodd 7]

To counter that.

Brady won an MVP while throwing for what...about 150 yards and 1 touch?

Favre threw for 250, 2 TDs, 0INTs, and rushed a TD as well. (not a little forward one yard sneak over the line either).

 

You are conveniently forgetting the SECOND Super Bowl MVP that Brady won.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You are conveniently forgetting the SECOND Super Bowl MVP that Brady won.

 

Not at all.

I am countering the point that Favre won "the heroics of the only kick returner ever to be named MVP I believe."

I pointed out Favre's stats...then the stats of Brady's first SB where he won the MVP.

I think it shows Favre did quite well for himself in that game.

[donhaas 19]

I know I shouldn't take this bait

 

 

Brady's not a bad quarterback, Parrot...

 

 

 

If Big Tuna has Favre barely in his top 10, I'll concede the 17th spot to Brady

[KSB2424 3,174]

I just saw a 60 minutes special that said Big Tuna's are becoming an endangered species do to over-fishing. Kinda ironic....dontcha think?

[gocolts 300]

Brady's not a bad quarterback, Parrot...

I'll concede the 17th spot to Brady

That sounds about right.

[washers 0]

I'm not doubting that Brady can hit a spot... but for me, that play was like "meh..."

 

8-yard pass... defender had his back turned... Nice...

Throwing a rainbow pass to the far corner of the endzone and hitting Jennings perfectly in stride in a pouring blizzard would have impressed me more.

 

What about Brady rolling out under pressure to hit Stallworth in stride for a 53 yard pass? And it seems people are already forgetting...Brady used to be the "doing more with less" QB, and has always had the ability to squeeze a ball in deep between defenders. He played in this league before Moss and Welker showed up, and he was just as great then. Branch hasnt been that great without him, and where the hell did Reche Caldwell go? The O line is great (though I can remember him taking a lot of hits in the past) but don't tell me hes had the gift of any offensive superpowers throughout his career. Now we get to lay back and enjoy him while hes at his best.

 

Also, I don't remember too many occasions in which Brady runs to the sideline and throws an underarmed duck that gets picked off.

 

Montana

Brady (too hard to declare best of all time with so much more football left in his career)

Marino

Favre (put him above Marino if he takes down the Pats in the SB. If he wins it against the Bolts, not so much)

Elway

Manning (another ring, with him carrying his team through a game in the playoffs moves him up 1-2 slots)

[washers 0]

Brady needed the heroics of a 5'6, 122 pound kicker to barely, barely, barely sneak by three of the worst super bowl contestants in history.

 

There were also some beautiful drives put together to set up those field goals. Would he be better if he won the Super Bowls by a landslide rather than under intense pressure on the grandest stage in sports today? If all the whiners say Moss is the MVP for boosting Brady's numbers, then Brady gets credit for setting up Vinatieri.

[Dan 66]

There were also some beautiful drives put together to set up those field goals. Would he be better if he won the Super Bowls by a landslide rather than under intense pressure on the grandest stage in sports today? If all the whiners say Moss is the MVP for boosting Brady's numbers, then Brady gets credit for setting up Vinatieri.

 

You've missed the point in the comparison between the two Super Bowls. But all that aside, I still disagree with you. The offense was not special that day, and everybody knows it. The defense was amazing, stepping above themselves and stifling the potent Rams' offense. Brady's clutch drive, that apparently was all that he needed for the MVP, got them in field goal range - and a 47-yarder at that - not a TD, and they weren't behind in a game in which they had nothing to lose. Impressive, yes. MVP? Absolutely not.

[Dan 66]

What about Brady rolling out under pressure to hit Stallworth in stride for a 53 yard pass? And it seems people are already forgetting...Brady used to be the "doing more with less" QB, and has always had the ability to squeeze a ball in deep between defenders. He played in this league before Moss and Welker showed up, and he was just as great then. Branch hasnt been that great without him, and where the hell did Reche Caldwell go? The O line is great (though I can remember him taking a lot of hits in the past) but don't tell me hes had the gift of any offensive superpowers throughout his career. Now we get to lay back and enjoy him while hes at his best.

 

Also, I don't remember too many occasions in which Brady runs to the sideline and throws an underarmed duck that gets picked off.

 

Montana

Brady (too hard to declare best of all time with so much more football left in his career)

Marino

Favre (put him above Marino if he takes down the Pats in the SB. If he wins it against the Bolts, not so much)

Elway

Manning (another ring, with him carrying his team through a game in the playoffs moves him up 1-2 slots)

 

Just a couple of things . . . first, Brady has a nice deep ball that has improved over the years, but when was he ever known for being able to squeeze a ball in deep between defenders?

 

Doing more with less. His position players have not always been stellar, but some are underrated. Troy Brown, who played forever, obviously was something. Ben Watson is exceptional. Corey Dillon was very good, and Kevin Faulk, who has caught a few passes over the years. Deion Branch was very good in New England. You can say Tom Brady made him, but I don't think so. I think the coaching staff did. Tom Brady didn't teach him to hold onto a ball when being hit by a truck, and Branch did that very well. But the big thing is the line. That line has been underrated for a long time, but they have always been good. I'm not sure I recall these times when Brady was getting hit a lot. I think you're blurring him with Drew Bledsoe.

 

The last is coaching. Without a doubt, Brady has benefited from great coaching, not just personally, but also within the schemes that are created.

 

And the pass to Stallworth was beautiful.

 

And again, how do you put Favre behind Marino? I don't understand, didn't he just break all his records? Just wondering what you liked better about Marino's game.

[BMoney 0]

That is a tough one. How about a hint?

 

I do know that they reported in the Boston Globe that the Patriots have won 16 playoff games since the last time the Cowboys won a playoff game.

 

 

over 4000 days since the cowboys last won a playoff game...tagliabue was still commish....favre was only in his first year of talking retirement...

 

 

and the patriot fan base has quadrupled since that day as well...

[Sho Nuff 720]

Marino

Favre (put him above Marino if he takes down the Pats in the SB. If he wins it against the Bolts, not so much)

 

So the fact that he already has one more ring than Marino does not matter...nor the 3 MVPs...nor beating all of Marino's passing record...but he can pass Marino only if he beats the Pats? If he beats the Bolts for his 2nd ring (thats 2 more than Marino has) he would not pass him?

 

Sound logic.

[NewbieJr 541]

Thread summary:

 

To the rational, objective fans of 31 NFL teams and true football historians, it can never be assumed that one single QB was the definitive "best ever". There are way too many factors- receivers, offensive lines, defense, coaches, insane individual numbers, performance in clutch situations. We all know that Montana, Marino, Brady, Favre, Elway, and Manning are among the top. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. All of them could have probably done equally well with the teams the others played for. They were all difference makers, rather than simply guys put in there to 'not make mistakes'. Arguments can be made for or against any one of teh above named QBs as the best ever.

 

To Patriots fans, it's Tom Brady.

Thread over.

You guys must not have read my "thread over" comment.

Why is this still being debated?

[KSB2424 3,174]

You guys must not have read my "thread over" comment.

Why is this still being debated?

Who are you?

[parrot 790]

 

Brady's not a bad quarterback, Parrot...

If Big Tuna has Favre barely in his top 10, I'll concede the 17th spot to Brady

 

Favre is not bad either. I like him. I'm glad he was able to ride his top ranked defense and MVP kick returner to a Super Bowl ring.

 

 

 

[parrot 790]

You've missed the point in the comparison between the two Super Bowls. But all that aside, I still disagree with you. The offense was not special that day, and everybody knows it. The defense was amazing, stepping above themselves and stifling the potent Rams' offense. Brady's clutch drive, that apparently was all that he needed for the MVP, got them in field goal range - and a 47-yarder at that - not a TD, and they weren't behind in a game in which they had nothing to lose. Impressive, yes. MVP? Absolutely not.

 

Why are we only allowed to talk about those two SuperBowls, Brady's worst statistical performance and Favre's best? What about Brady's SuperBowl against Carolina where the defense was a sieve in the second half and Brady put the team on his back with 350+ 3/1? Brady's game against the Eagles was pretty comparable to both Favre SBs statistically as well.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Favre is not bad either. I like him. I'm glad he was able to ride his top ranked defense and MVP kick returner to a Super Bowl ring.

 

 

 

 

Oh...and have the #1 offense that year and win the MVP for the year?

[donhaas 19]

Favre is not bad either. I like him. I'm glad he was able to ride his top ranked defense and MVP kick returner to a Super Bowl ring.

 

 

 

 

Fair enough

 

 

 

 

....sorry about reusing all the old Brady stuff...

 

...but the writers have been on strike and I've been saving the good stuff I do have for super bowl week.

[redtodd 7]

Fair enough

....sorry about reusing all the old Brady stuff...

 

...but the writers have been on strike and I've been saving the good stuff I do have for super bowl week.

 

Going to the game? I hear it will be toasty.

[donhaas 19]

Going to the game? I hear it will be toasty.

 

I had tickets to the game (at face value ) almost in my hands, but somebody wised the old woman up....

[parrot 790]

Fair enough

....sorry about reusing all the old Brady stuff...

 

...but the writers have been on strike and I've been saving the good stuff I do have for super bowl week.

 

We do expect better from you, you're almost sounding like Newbie.

 

I'm sorry, that was uncalled for.

 

[redtodd 7]

but somebody wised the old woman up....

 

What does that mean?

[donhaas 19]

What does that mean?

 

It's Wisconsin slang

 

 

An old girlfriend of mine in Milwaukee has been getting six face value tickets from an older woman who doesn't know jack about football all season long. The woman was all set to sell them to her again ($52 a piece or whatever) when her relatives came in and told her they might be worth a little bit more than that...

[Dan 66]

Why are we only allowed to talk about those two SuperBowls, Brady's worst statistical performance and Favre's best? What about Brady's SuperBowl against Carolina where the defense was a sieve in the second half and Brady put the team on his back with 350+ 3/1? Brady's game against the Eagles was pretty comparable to both Favre SBs statistically as well.

 

I never suggested it, parrot! Not ever. I did not bring that comparison up; that was the manufacture of someone else in this thread. I have merely responded.

 

I have always stated that Brady deserved the MVP in the Super Bowl against the Panthers. Not even a question; he was absolutely the MVP. That doesn't justify the first. That became a discussion point at all because someone brought up his two MVPs and then starting comparing Brady's and Favre's Super Bowl performance, blah blah blah, you know how that goes.

 

Sorry if you thought that I was dissing Brady's Super Bowl performances. Not the case; just the first.

[redtodd 7]

It's Wisconsin slang

An old girlfriend of mine in Milwaukee has been getting six face value tickets from an older woman who doesn't know jack about football all season long. The woman was all set to sell them to her again ($52 a piece or whatever) when her relatives came in and told her they might be worth a little bit more than that...

 

Oh, that sucks. At first, I thought you meant that your girlfriends wasn't going to let you go. Glad it wasn't that.

[parrot 790]

I never suggested it, parrot! Not ever. I did not bring that comparison up; that was the manufacture of someone else in this thread. I have merely responded.

 

I have always stated that Brady deserved the MVP in the Super Bowl against the Panthers. Not even a question; he was absolutely the MVP. That doesn't justify the first. That became a discussion point at all because someone brought up his two MVPs and then starting comparing Brady's and Favre's Super Bowl performance, blah blah blah, you know how that goes.

 

Sorry if you thought that I was dissing Brady's Super Bowl performances. Not the case; just the first.

 

My bad. I got the impression washers was talking about more than the one Brady game is all. As I said earlier I pretty much agree on the first MVP for Brady. I wouldn't say he didn't deserve it but that was such a complete team win and so many different guys made plays it's hard to single anyone out. Brady got it almost by default.

[The Hood 9]

Joe Montana's Super Bowl wins came with defenses ranked #2, #10, #3, and #4 in the league for those that would like to start bashing him.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Joe Montana's Super Bowl wins came with defenses ranked #2, #10, #3, and #4 in the league for those that would like to start bashing him.

How in the world could we bash a man that looks like Barry Manilow?

[NewbieJr 541]

Joe Montana's Super Bowl wins came with defenses ranked #2, #10, #3, and #4 in the league for those that would like to start bashing him.

And what about Brady's?

[parrot 790]

Does it matter who he plays? I think beating this Pats team would bolster his chops quite a bit more than a victory over the Chargers.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I think beating this Pats team would bolster his chops quite a bit more than a victory over the Chargers.

Absolutely

 

If Favre won his second SB by beating the undefeated Patriots that would be a huge acomplishment and vault his status to the top IMO. Can you imagine what John Madden would say? I'm telling you I think Madden's head would explode if this happened.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Absolutely

 

If Favre won his second SB by beating the undefeated Patriots that would be a huge acomplishment and vault his status to the top IMO. Can you imagine what John Madden would say? I'm telling you I think Madden's head would explode if this happened.

 

Prolly because his mouth would be full of Favre's man-goo