kilroy69 1,035 Posted January 21, 2008 BET ?? Maybe they think the giants have a weaker team. Which by the way they do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TommyGavin 790 Posted January 21, 2008 Maybe they think the giants have a weaker team. Which by the way they do. or NOT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,035 Posted January 21, 2008 or NOT Ok homer. Just because you are from new york does not mean you have to have blinders on. The giants will be lucky if they only get beat by 14. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted January 21, 2008 Ok homer. Just because you are from new york does not mean you have to have blinders on. The giants will be lucky if they only get beat by 14. i'll politely disagree... they held it close last time... NE hasn't blown anyone out in awhile... giants are playing well enough to actually make this a game... the one main thing that is in your favor is that this game won't be outside in the cold... i like the giants in anything over 10 points... i'll probably jump at this line (sucker bet)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane Ditka 0 Posted January 21, 2008 Well, I jumped in and got -13 with my bookie at -120. So I am on the Pats to blow out the Giants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Let Da Big Dog Eat 38 Posted January 21, 2008 Couple of points here: 1. Vegas does not set the line by what they think the outcome of the game will be. They set the spread based on what they think will give them equal action of both sides of the line. 2. Most SB's end up in a blowout. One team gets down by 10 in the 4th and ends up losing by much more due to the "there's no tomorrow" attitude and chucking it up, getting picks, sacks etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,087 Posted January 21, 2008 Can somebody please let me know the last time NE has covered the spread? It had to be before Thanksgiving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted January 21, 2008 BET ?? If your so confident, put everything you've got on the Giants. It's not that hard to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
art schlichter's bookie 0 Posted January 21, 2008 Like the GMen getting the points. NE is 2-7 ATS since the bye week... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,087 Posted January 21, 2008 Like the GMen getting the points. NE is 2-7 ATS since the bye week... Yup, me too. If the teams did not have any "name value" to them and we were strictly handicapping two football teams the line would be around 10. The extra 3-4 points is being taxed because Vegas knows that enough action will still be put on NE because of their early season blowouts and name value. IMO betting on the Giants at +14 is getting way the best of the number. That's not saying they still won't get blown out, but you are getting the best of it going in and that is about as much as you can ask for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 934 Posted January 21, 2008 Couple of points here: 1. Vegas does not set the line by what they think the outcome of the game will be. They set the spread based on what they think will give them equal action of both sides of the line. 2. Most SB's end up in a blowout. One team gets down by 10 in the 4th and ends up losing by much more due to the "there's no tomorrow" attitude and chucking it up, getting picks, sacks etc. I agree and you can also look at with the team that is up by 10 that will play it closer to the vest and more conservatively so u might not get that cover if you're on N.E. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtodd 7 Posted January 21, 2008 This is the first spread of the Patriots in a while that I would be willing to bet on the Patriots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted January 21, 2008 Yeah, them guys in Vegas are stoopid. That's why you see those casinos going belly up all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted January 21, 2008 NE hasn't blown anyone out in awhile... Which is one reason they are not the best team ever even if they win the Super Bowl. The greatest team ever is still the 85 Bears. They killed everyone in the playoffs. I don't think anyone even scored a point on them in the Playoffs that year. That being said, IF New England wins the Super Bowl, they will be one of the greatest ever, but not THE greatest ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lionsjunkie 1 Posted January 22, 2008 Well, I jumped in and got -13 with my bookie at -120. So I am on the Pats to blow out the Giants. Shoulda waited as this line is dropping quicker than a crack hore looking for that last nuggat. Currently at 12 at www.thegreek.com and www.bookmaker.com The days of local books are long, long over....get online and bet when you want, not when the book is answering phones. Let me know if you'd like to use me as a referral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lionsjunkie 1 Posted January 22, 2008 Couple of points here: 1. Vegas does not set the line by what they think the outcome of the game will be. They set the spread based on what they think will give them equal action of both sides of the line. 2. Most SB's end up in a blowout. One team gets down by 10 in the 4th and ends up losing by much more due to the "there's no tomorrow" attitude and chucking it up, getting picks, sacks etc. That was way back when dude....the last 4 SB's have been decided by 29 pts TOTAL (7.25/game for you math majors). Pats have won 3 SB's in last 5 years...all by THREE points. Of the last dozen SB's only 3 have been decided by more than 14 points: Bucs by 27 over OAK Ravens by 27 over G-Men Denver by 15 over ATL http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornton Melon 549 Posted January 22, 2008 Which is one reason they are not the best team ever even if they win the Super Bowl. The greatest team ever is still the 85 Bears. They killed everyone in the playoffs. I don't think anyone even scored a point on them in the Playoffs that year. That being said, IF New England wins the Super Bowl, they will be one of the greatest ever, but not THE greatest ever. The Pats scored 10 on them in the SB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted January 22, 2008 Shoulda waited as this line is dropping quicker than a crack hore looking for that last nuggat.Which supports the title of this thread. Vegas put the line WAY too high, Giants still are the smart pick until 11 points, then the money will start pouring in on the Pats. Game will be decided by less than 7 IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nzoner 936 Posted January 22, 2008 Game will be decided by less than 7 IMO. I can see why people think this however I don't see it.These teams played a thrilling game in week 17(that in its own right was for big stakes) and now know one another very well. That said,IMO,a healthy Brady and a scheming Belicheck and I see the Pats putting the cherry on top of the sundae with a message to go along to all those who questioned their other 3 point Super Bowl wins. Pats 41 G-Men 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
art schlichter's bookie 0 Posted January 23, 2008 Shoulda waited as this line is dropping quicker than a crack hore looking for that last nuggat. Currently at 12 at www.thegreek.com and www.bookmaker.com The days of local books are long, long over....get online and bet when you want, not when the book is answering phones. Let me know if you'd like to use me as a referral Yeah, well as long as local bookies let you bet on credit they will never die off... By the way, I see this line dropping to 10.5ish before NE money moves it back up. Key numbers are 10, 13, 14 so 11 and 12 mean very little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rattlesnake 0 Posted January 23, 2008 Something tells me that the Pats have this different gear that nobody's seen at length for quite awhile, because they haven't needed it. The Giants saw it for a few minutes in the 4th quarter of their game in week 17. I think we see it in the 1st quarter this time......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted January 23, 2008 With the way Maroney was running last week, I don't think the Gmen will come close Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TommyGavin 790 Posted January 23, 2008 Yeah, them guys in Vegas are stoopid. That's why you see those casinos going belly up all the time. it is actually scary how close some of these outcomes vs spreads come. I'm just saying I know I'm biased but the Jints werent even off the field and they were getting disrespected as a 14 underdog . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted January 23, 2008 I can see why people think this however I don't see it.These teams played a thrilling game in week 17(that in its own right was for big stakes) and now know one another very well. Pats 41 - G-Men 17 Vegas makes tons on people that think like this. Forget the regular season. It means very little right now. Right now if someone from another planet had just seen the playoffs and nothing else, he would think the Giants would be favored. Getting double digit points is a gift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,775 Posted January 23, 2008 Vegas makes tons on people that think like this. Forget the regular season. It means very little right now. Right now if someone from another planet had just seen the playoffs and nothing else, he would think the Giants would be favored. Getting double digit points is a gift. Oh really? 2000 Season, 2001 playoffs. The Giants beat the Vikings 41 - 0 in the NFC Championship. The Ravens beat the Raiders 16 - 3 in the AFC Chamionship. Super Bowl Ravens won 34 to 7 SO MUCH FOR THAT THEORY! RavensWildCard Denver Broncos 21 3 Division Tennessee Titans 24 10 ConfChamp Oakland Raiders 16 3 Giants Division Philadelphia Eagles 20 10 ConfChamp Minnesota Vikings 41 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted January 23, 2008 Oh really? 2000 Season, 2001 playoffs. The Giants beat the Vikings 41 - 0 in the NFC Championship. The Ravens beat the Raiders 16 - 3 in the AFC Chamionship. Super Bowl Ravens won 34 to 7 SO MUCH FOR THAT THEORY! Scores are bogus. Didn't I just claim that? It's how matchups are going. You Pats homers bet the Pats, I'll take the Giants. The difference being that you simply want to stir the pot as usual, but I WILL put money on this game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nzoner 936 Posted January 23, 2008 it is actually scary how close some of these outcomes vs spreads come. I'm just saying I know I'm biased but the Jints werent even off the field and they were getting disrespected as a 14 underdog . If you like to read I suggest checking out this book. Moldea, Dan E. Interference: How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football. New York: William Morrow, 1989. 512 pages. If football is the American religion, and the NFL its Vatican, then Dan Moldea is a heretic and excommunication is already in progress. Moldea is fighting back with a $10 million libel suit against the New York Times for its review of this book by sportswriter Gerald Eskenazi, an NFL mouthpiece. Moldea chronicles the long-standing relationship between the NFL and organized crime, which has resulted in no fewer than 26 past and present NFL team owners with documented ties to either gambling or the syndicate, evidence of 70 fixed professional games, and the suppression of at least 50 law enforcement investigations of NFL corruption. This book also offers an introduction to the world of betting lines, oddsmakers and handicappers, bookmakers, and high-stakes gambling. This is one of four books in NameBase by Dan Moldea, who has specialized in organized crime investigations since 1974. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,564 Posted January 23, 2008 Based on 10,000 simulations, the chances of the Giants winning the Super Bowl are not great -- just 25 percent. As a NY Giants fan, I'll take that 25%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TommyGavin 790 Posted January 24, 2008 Based on 10,000 simulations, the chances of the Giants winning the Super Bowl are not great -- just 25 percent. As a NY Giants fan, I'll take that 25%. :cheers: Me Too (especially because they are going to win) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
