Is Obama's candidacy constitutional?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Just more ammo for Hillary to "un-suspend" her campaign the closer we get to Election Day.

 

This and the Michelle Obama whitey speech will do wonders for her.

Seroiusly, just elect McCain so we don't have to deal with four years of this cry baby bull crap. Jeesus.

[Me_2006 14]

What the fock is up with the kpbuckeye/footballpowers crap? Any thread either of you post in immediately becomes your own personal sissy-fight. Damnit you guys are annoying.

 

kpbuckeye- the quote manip is weak. We're of roughly the same political persuasion, but you're doing us no favors with the name-calling, even if they DO follow you around or whatever.

footballpowers- you didn't own him because you asked for a picture and he has better things to do than prove he hasn't gained 200 lbs in 3 years.

both of you- please go away, although I get a feeling you'll stalk me now.

 

 

 

so what's the general consensus on this? I don't see any chance anything ever comes of it. Surely he hasn't gotten this far without it catching him, and at this point he's got the power and people to just produce some fake documents or something.

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

I was posting about common sense, not grammar, therefore STFU stupid and mind your own business next time.

 

have a greAt day

 

 

"Mind your own business"

[IGotWorms 4,058]

so what's the general consensus on this? I don't see any chance anything ever comes of it. Surely he hasn't gotten this far without it catching him, and at this point he's got the power and people to just produce some fake documents or something.

 

Isn't it obvious? This is just another BS story thrown out there by right-wing hacks to remind people that Obama is supposedly not one of "us," and by "us" I mean "white." HTH.

[Me_2006 14]

Isn't it obvious? This is just another BS story thrown out there by right-wing hacks to remind people that Obama is supposedly not one of "us," and by "us" I mean "white." HTH.

Why is everyone that raises a question about him either a "right-wing hack", "racist", "afraid", or a painted as some moron who clings to their guns, religion, etc? The lack of acknowledgment that the guy has some flaws and majorly questionable associations only lends credibility to those stories out there that would otherwise appear obviously false.

[Big Blue 06 195]

Why is everyone that raises a question about him either a "right-wing hack", "racist", "afraid", or a painted as some moron who clings to their guns, religion, etc?

 

Well said.

[Korben Dallas 0]

Yes we are scared of him because he is a dangerous liberal appeaser and we all know the damage that will cause. Do me a favor and pass this quote on to your appeaser candidate:

 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."--Winston Churchill

 

 

The appeaser stuff is just stupid, you don't get to make up positions for the other guy because your sucks so bad.

 

I'm too lazy on the liberal comment, but I'm glad the country is waking up and realizing that liberalism isn't a bad word. Here's someone else's answer.

 

What, will he start some wars? Will the economy go to hell? Will gasoline suddenly cost four bucks a gallon, so that getting from one end of town to the other starts to be something you have to plan for in your family budget? Oh, wait, no -- that's what conservatism has wrought. So what big, scary menace will "liberalism" rain down upon us all?

 

The horror of free public education? The apocalypse of affordable healthcare for families and the elderly? An energy policy that consists of something other than "hell, let's just sit on our asses and see what happens"? My God, maybe we'll have a foreign policy that doesn't revolve around sucking thousands of dollars out of your constituents' pockets, lighting all that money on fire, and using the pyre to make super-special Democracy Smores in the middle of the Iraqi desert?

 

What, are we afraid less American soldiers will die? That our trade deficit will be, if not reversed, at least addressed? Are Oklahomans all huddled in their closets, lest some of the now-legions of outsourced jobs start reappearing in their towns? What? What is it that is so absolutely alarming about the word "liberal" that you'd rather stomach having everything that's happened to America for the past decade continue, rather than being seen as someone who might secretly have tolerance for, shudder, that word?

 

I think, in the end, perhaps the conservative fear of liberalism really is all about scary people ravishing their virgins. That is the only thing that comes up consistently in so-called conservative intellectual thought; the notion that someone, somewhere is just one dashing, hopelessly suave line from getting it on with your virgin daughter. Or son. For a long time, it was black people seeking to move into your neighborhoods and seduce your offspring. Then it was illegal immigrants -- yes, apparently all these people were swarming across our border because your virgin daughter was just that damn hot. Don't even get me started on the homosexuals -- they are all about corrupting your virgins. Except conservative Mark Foley, who was innocent. And conservative Larry Craig, who was twice as innocent. And conservative preacher Ted Haggard, who in his defense was mostly just in it for the drugs.

 

The problem, you see, is that since we can't be freaked out about ethnic people anymore, at least not in polite company, and you can't be all that freaked out about gay people now that we've figured out that most gay people are, you know, boring... so now it is simply the ephemeral liberals that are after your virgins

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Why is everyone that raises a question about him either a "right-wing hack", "racist", "afraid", or a painted as some moron who clings to their guns, religion, etc? The lack of acknowledgment that the guy has some flaws and majorly questionable associations only lends credibility to those stories out there that would otherwise appear obviously false.

 

Bullsh!t. There are legitimate flaws to any candidate, but his middle name, his color, his racial background (and that is what this is really about) and so forth are not among them. Opposing a candidate because you don't agree with his politics is one thing, but hate-mongering tactics to scare people out of voting for him is quite another. You are smart enough to know this.

[mighty_thor 115]

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So why does BO not just debunk this NOW??? Did he really not learn a thing from the Wright circus??? Nip this thing in the bud BEFORE it hits the main stream news media.

 

Not sure why they don't just release birth certificate either. Some birth certificates have parents religion. Maybe his dad had muslim listed. Maybe he had a different name at birth like muhammed or something. he better revamp his campaign team if this is the way they handle little controversies.

[Korben Dallas 0]

Why is everyone that raises a question about him either a "right-wing hack", "racist", "afraid", or a painted as some moron who clings to their guns, religion, etc? The lack of acknowledgment that the guy has some flaws and majorly questionable associations only lends credibility to those stories out there that would otherwise appear obviously false.

That's easy, but I have yet to see a question that actually requests or provides a least a aire of legitimate interest in his ACTUAL POSITIONS.

 

So far we've got what, we didn't like his Minister, criticism that his wife isn't some submissive tool, and some illogical and mildly racist attacks on his birth of all things.

 

Help me understand where any of that is anything but petty, juvenile and hack-like? I have yet to see the major flaws and to question his association would not be the best idea in this general election. Remember, he's running against Mr. Keating 5, I left my wife for money, my entire campaign is funded by lobbyists, I screw American defense contractors for money, I'm a friggin Republican, etc. etc.

 

I'm more than interested in listening to and/or having discussions about his positions, but this constant, "I heard there's a high school notebook that someone kept of his wife's were she wrote something that I can misinterpret to be a hate filled indictment of all white people" identifies you as either a "right-wing hack", "racist", "afraid". Just an FYI

[Me_2006 14]

Bullsh!t. There are legitimate flaws to any candidate, but his middle name, his color, his racial background (and that is what this is really about) and so forth are not among them. Opposing a candidate because you don't agree with his politics is one thing, but hate-mongering tactics to scare people out of voting for him is quite another. You are smart enough to know this.

Honestly, I see those associations as something that speaks to a lack of judgment and a willingness to do, say, associate with whoever/whatever it takes to get to where he wants to be and that is a concern for any candidate, especially as inexperienced as he is. He just appears to fake and "above" everyone else. Also, it's no more ridiculous than the age factor the Dems are harping on with regards to McCain is it? He might die! and He might be a terrorist! are both weak arguments, and neither sides extremes are above using them to their advantage and ignoring that neither is any better than the other. That's why I took issue to your "right wing hacks" comment.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Honestly, I see those associations as something that speaks to a lack of judgment and a willingness to do, say, associate with whoever/whatever it takes to get to where he wants to be and that is a concern for any candidate, especially as inexperienced as he is. He just appears to fake and "above" everyone else. Also, it's no more ridiculous than the age factor the Dems are harping on with regards to McCain is it? He might die! and He might be a terrorist! are both weak arguments, and neither sides extremes are above using them to their advantage and ignoring that neither is any better than the other. That's why I took issue to your "right wing hacks" comment.

 

As far as I know, there was ONE thread started here about McCain's age. That compared to how many countless threads about Obama's race, religion, place of birth, etc., etc.? So nice try with the "left wingers do it too" argument, but it just doesn't pass muster in this case.

[I have no idea what i'm doing 0]

As far as I know, there was ONE thread started here about McCain's age. That compared to how many countless threads about Obama's race, religion, place of birth, etc., etc.? So nice try with the "left wingers do it too" argument, but it just doesn't pass muster in this case.

I lean right and support McCain, but agree that the right wing nonsense heavily outweighs the left wing nonsense posted here. That isn't any reason to reply to any of it. If it's nonsense, it's nonsense. Why feed the trolls? Especially with more flamebait? The juvenile insults makes everyone look as bad as kpbuckeye and footballpowers consistently look. This is why the traffic on this board has declined so much (in addition to the major board shutdowns). Too many trolls, too little interesting discussion. And if you're feeding the trolls, be they Recliner Pilot, Giants Fan, footballpowers, kpbuckeye, Angry White Moron, or gocolts (sometimes, most of the eime he's a good poster), you're part of the problem.

 

 

By the way, common sense says this isn't true. First of all, there has to be some sort of check by the DNC or whoever on this, and secondly, if this was true, the Clintons would have found out and knocked him the fock out.

[gocolts 300]

Are your lips attached to his ass?

 

KPLGCHA

 

kpbuckey likes go colts hairy ass

 

Can't wait for your witty 3rd grade comeback

The guy who biatches and moans constantly about wanting to have good discussions about things repeatedly finds it necessary to the exact thing he complains about. I don't give a fock one way or the other, just that it is laughable how you cry so much about something and do the very thing you biatch and moan about. Incredible. Kinda like how you for some strange reason find it important to talk about mens hairy azzholes almost daily here. We get it. You can not stop thinking about mens hairy azzholes. You don't have to pound it home so hard.

 

The way you patted yourself on the back and pronounced ownage throughout this thread was embarrassing. It is almost as if this is highly important to you, thinking "I really told him today" before you fall asleep at night. You didn't own shiat and humiliated yourself the entire thread.

[gocolts 300]

Just more ammo for Hillary to "un-suspend" her campaign the closer we get to Election Day.

 

This and the Michelle Obama whitey speech will do wonders for her.

Seroiusly, just elect McCain so we don't have to deal with four years of this cry baby bull crap. Jeesus.

It would certainly shake things up if this or the whitey tape end up being true.

[kilroy69 1,251]

They are worried about what the coloreds will do if they take over the plantation.

Mass Chaos is what I picture.

 

 

If obama wins the blacks in L.A. may start a riot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course if he loses the blacks in L.A. may start a riot.

[I have no idea what i'm doing 0]

The guy who biatches and moans constantly about wanting to have good discussions about things repeatedly finds it necessary to the exact thing he complains about.

Exactly.

[kpbuckeye 3]

I lean right and support McCain, but agree that the right wing nonsense heavily outweighs the left wing nonsense posted here. That isn't any reason to reply to any of it. If it's nonsense, it's nonsense. Why feed the trolls? Especially with more flamebait? The juvenile insults makes everyone look as bad as kpbuckeye and footballpowers consistently look. This is why the traffic on this board has declined so much (in addition to the major board shutdowns). Too many trolls, too little interesting discussion. And if you're feeding the trolls, be they Recliner Pilot, Giants Fan, footballpowers, kpbuckeye, Angry White Moron, or gocolts (sometimes, most of the eime he's a good poster), you're part of the problem.

By the way, common sense says this isn't true. First of all, there has to be some sort of check by the DNC or whoever on this, and secondly, if this was true, the Clintons would have found out and knocked him the fock out.

 

 

How 'bout saving your little speech there leroy. Nothing worse than a hypocrite.

 

Holy crap! Aren't you the guy 'crying like a little girl' in the Obama thread?

 

 

me-I'll try to do better, sorry it gets old when you have these yo yo's following you around everywhere.

just go to any thread I post in and they will be there with the same name calling they turn around and cry about. see the dummy above for an example.

[Me_2006 14]

How 'bout saving your little speech there leroy. Nothing worse than a hypocrite.

me-I'll try to do better, sorry it gets old when you have these yo yo's following you around everywhere.

just go to any thread I post in and they will be there with the same name calling they turn around and cry about. see the dummy above for an example.

I've noticed dude, just put them on ignore or something. It gets old watching the same 2-3 people fight in every thread.

[ERZER 0]

Pretty interesting on both Obama and McCain to some degree. I would say one reason why BO won't nip it now, is that he wants the issue to grow legs so he can turn it around to being a right wing/republican conspiracy when he finally releases the document that "proves" he is legit.

 

The difference with McCain is that he was born to two American's residing on a military installation.

 

Here is a link to the NY Times.com which provides some historical situations.

 

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b]Excerpt:[/b] Mr. McCain is not the first person to find himself in these circumstances. The last Arizona Republican to be a presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, faced the issue. He was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, three years before it became a state. But Goldwater did not win, and the view at the time was that since he was born in a continental territory that later became a state, he probably met the standard.

 

It also surfaced in the 1968 candidacy of George Romney, who was born in Mexico, but again was not tested. The former Connecticut politician Lowell P. Weicker Jr., born in Paris, sought a legal analysis when considering the presidency, an aide said, and was assured he was eligible. Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. was once viewed as a potential successor to his father, but was seen by some as ineligible since he had been born on Campobello Island in Canada. The 21st president, Chester A. Arthur, whose birthplace is Vermont, was rumored to have actually been born in Canada, prompting some to question his eligibility.

 

 

What will be interesting is to see how not only Clinton handles it, but what speedy bills will be passed by congress to finally clarify this all, then the presidents potential veto and override attempt...then it will finally end up in the hands of the supreme court, but will it be in time.

 

Gotta say this much for our politics, they sure don't lack in drama...not necessarily good mind you.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Just more ammo for Hillary to "un-suspend" her campaign the closer we get to Election Day.

 

This and the Michelle Obama whitey speech will do wonders for her.

Seroiusly, just elect McCain so we don't have to deal with four years of this cry baby bull crap. Jeesus.

Wow, that was profound.

[gocolts 300]

I'm glad the country is waking up and realizing that liberalism isn't a bad word.

[gocolts 300]

Pretty interesting on both Obama and McCain to some degree. I would say one reason why BO won't nip it now, is that he wants the issue to grow legs so he can turn it around to being a right wing/republican conspiracy when he finally releases the document that "proves" he is legit.

That would be smart. I hadn't thought of that yet.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Bullsh!t. There are legitimate flaws to any candidate, but his middle name, his color, his racial background (and that is what this is really about) and so forth are not among them. Opposing a candidate because you don't agree with his politics is one thing, but hate-mongering tactics to scare people out of voting for him is quite another. You are smart enough to know this.

 

 

Disagree with his politics, his policies, his beliefs, his experience, etc., but make it material. This other stuff is fluff to pander to the lowest common denominator who are all too often influenced by political hacks like Karl Rove. People wonder why we don't get qualified candidates and it is because the really qualified folks want nothing to do with the BS that is politics today. This thread is an example why.

 

BTW - I am not an Obama supporter.

[gocolts 300]

 

Disagree with his politics, his policies, his beliefs, his experience, etc., but make it material. This other stuff is fluff to pander to the lowest common denominator who are all too often influenced by political hacks like Karl Rove. People wonder why we don't get qualified candidates and it is because the really qualified folks want nothing to do with the BS that is politics today. This thread is an example why.

 

BTW - I am not an Obama supporter.

So a possibility of BO not being an American citizen is a non issue to you. Interesting.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

So a possibility of BO not being an American citizen is a non issue to you. Interesting.

 

No more of an issue than when the issue of McCain not being a citizen was raised. It is all political posturing with little-to-no-substance.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

How did this thread get this many posts

 

 

Who cares about obama's birth certificate.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Pretty interesting on both Obama and McCain to some degree. I would say one reason why BO won't nip it now, is that he wants the issue to grow legs so he can turn it around to being a right wing/republican conspiracy when he finally releases the document that "proves" he is legit.

 

What will be interesting is to see how not only Clinton handles it, but what speedy bills will be passed by congress to finally clarify this all, then the presidents potential veto and override attempt...then it will finally end up in the hands of the supreme court, but will it be in time.

 

Gotta say this much for our politics, they sure don't lack in drama...not necessarily good mind you.

 

You guys are acting like this report is credible and will be picked up by mainstream sources. I haven't seen it anywhere yet. I'm assuming that at this point it is relegated to right-wing rumor-mongering blogs (which I personally do not frequent), and it will probably stay there!

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

You guys are acting like this report is credible and will be picked up by mainstream sources. I haven't seen it anywhere yet. I'm assuming that at this point it is relegated to right-wing rumor-mongering blogs (which I personally do not frequent), and it will probably stay there!

 

I believe you are correct here. I haven't heard a thing about this, besides this site, which is probably even more right than me.

[I have no idea what i'm doing 0]

How 'bout saving your little speech there leroy. Nothing worse than a hypocrite.

me-I'll try to do better, sorry it gets old when you have these yo yo's following you around everywhere.

just go to any thread I post in and they will be there with the same name calling they turn around and cry about. see the dummy above for an example.

Yeah bud, you got me. I just call it like I see it, which I was doing with the post that you quoted, In which I used your own words (in quotes) in an attempt to demonstrate your own hypocrisy to you in not-so-subtle terms. Lowbrow yeah, and inefective, since I don't think you got it. Here's the whole thing:

 

yea thats one of them. well I guess I will have to off myself, not sure I can live with what everyone else thinks of me. after all I come here to make friends and its pretty much all I have. I wish I was more like you and could come here to cry like a little girl and try and convince fantasy football guys to vote for someone. One can wish can't he? :tear:

Holy crap! Aren't you the guy 'crying like a little girl' in the Obama thread?

 

But i agree that it goes both ways. Yes, footballpowers and others go at you, but usually after you go into a thread, looking for a fight, calling anything that you disagree with 'whining and crying,' or worse, while pretending to be non-partisan when you clearly do have a bias. See your first post in this thread for an example:

 

being a whiney little bi0tch makes him very tired I guess.

 

So please, save your little speech about how you are being 'followed.'

[kpbuckeye 3]

Yeah bud, you got me. I just call it like I see it, which I was doing with the post that you quoted, In which I used your own words (in quotes) in an attempt to demonstrate your own hypocrisy to you in not-so-subtle terms. Lowbrow yeah, and inefective, since I don't think you got it. Here's the whole thing:

Holy crap! Aren't you the guy 'crying like a little girl' in the Obama thread?

But i agree that it goes both ways. Yes, footballpowers and others go at you, but usually after you go into a thread, looking for a fight, calling anything that you disagree with 'whining and crying,' or worse, while pretending to be non-partisan when you clearly do have a bias. See your first post in this thread for an example:

So please, save your little speech about how you are being 'followed.'

wow, you have put a lot of thought into me.

[jerryskids 6,799]

Pretty interesting on both Obama and McCain to some degree. I would say one reason why BO won't nip it now, is that he wants the issue to grow legs so he can turn it around to being a right wing/republican conspiracy when he finally releases the document that "proves" he is legit.

Interesting theory, but that seems risky and I find it hard to believe. Also interesting (OK, not really) that the thread topic has been discussed very little in this thread. People can say that it is whacko right-wing whatever, but if he isn't a natural-born citizen, then he isn't constitutionally qualified, period. Sorry.

[tikigods 76]

Interesting. I doubt it has teeth but the Constitution has stipulations for becoming President.

 

We need a Parliamentary system in the country. Plain and simple.

[Thornton Melon 620]

A legitimate concern over someone's eligibility to be President, and people get all pissy about it.

 

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

 

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

 

Why shouldn't any candidate have to prove he/she meets this criteria before his/her name is put on the ballot? Seems pretty reasonable to me.

[gocolts 300]

A legitimate concern over someone's eligibility to be President, and people get all pissy about it.

 

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

 

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

 

Why shouldn't any candidate have to prove he/she meets this criteria before his/her name is put on the ballot? Seems pretty reasonable to me.

That is just outrageous. To expect the messiah to have to prove anything of the sort. It is an insult, ridiculous, asinine, over the top, even racist to even considering asking this question of the holy one.

[Rattlesnake 0]

You people are just silly.

 

Seriously, are you that intimidated by him?

 

The answer to this question is "yes".

 

As for the original post in this thread...........

[gocolts 300]

The answer to this question is "yes".

 

As for the original post in this thread...........

Wow dude. How long did it take to come up with such a well thought out insightful post??? You are the gift that just keeps on giving.

[Korben Dallas 0]

A legitimate concern over someone's eligibility to be President, and people get all pissy about it.

 

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

 

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

 

Why shouldn't any candidate have to prove he/she meets this criteria before his/her name is put on the ballot? Seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

Is this

or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution

how McCain qualifies?

 

:Hesolderthanthefuckingconstituion"

 

Sorry, the thought that some people think there is even a remote amount of possibility that this is even possible as a minute chance kind of calls you out as a fool. You think that wouldn't have been investigated by the DNC, or the CLINTON campaign. You don't think Hillary would have pulled that out last month when she would have then waltzed to the nomination.

 

This helps me understand all about our country that there are people dumb enough to buy anything that Rove and the right wing brigade trots out.

[I have no idea what i'm doing 0]

http://reason.com/blog/show/126972.html

 

Basically there's only blog stuff on this, nothing in the mainstream. This would be HUGE, which makes me think it's all BS, in addition to the common sense part of it. I don't think anybody's debating that Obama would be disqualified, it's just to believe he's not a citizen you'd have to believe that he's monumentally stupid, that the DNC never checked this out, and that the Clinton political machine/RNC/mainstream media never dug this up.

 

Seems like a pretty big leap, unless it's something you really want to believe.

[jerryskids 6,799]

Is this how McCain qualifies?

 

:Hesolderthanthefuckingconstituion"

 

Sorry, the thought that some people think there is even a remote amount of possibility that this is even possible as a minute chance kind of calls you out as a fool. You think that wouldn't have been investigated by the DNC, or the CLINTON campaign. You don't think Hillary would have pulled that out last month when she would have then waltzed to the nomination.

 

This helps me understand all about our country that there are people dumb enough to buy anything that Rove and the right wing brigade trots out.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you're reluctance to accept this reality is why your side will lose. But hey, you'll have another 4 years of biotching with your holier than thou attitude, so you've go that going for you.