Dwight Freeney Fined for Speaking the truth about the refs.

[FlaHawker 24]

The Man Has a Good Point...

[Cuse9 129]

The Man Has a Good Point...

He is right. I do believe the refs are still "part time". You have lawyers, shoe salesmen and whatever calling games on their day off. They need to pay them accordingly and mandate they take classes and/or whatever during the week to be sure they are doing a quality job.

 

Too many blown calls.

[roroco 75]

I didn't know Freeney was such an idiot. It is one thing to complain about the officiating if you are a fan, but if you are on the field at the time and you can't stop the opposing team from driving the length of the field, you have NO right to biotch about the officiating. Plus, you may say the hold was a bit iffy (which I don't) but the other two calls were legit. Quit your whinnying Indy... And stay classy.

[roroco 75]

He is right. I do believe the refs are still "part time". You have lawyers, shoe salesmen and whatever calling games on their day off. They need to pay them accordingly and mandate they take classes and/or whatever during the week to be sure they are doing a quality job.

 

Too many blown calls.

Yeah... lets make a full time job where someone works at most 20 days in a year. Where do I sign up?

[Cuse9 129]

I didn't know Freeney was such an idiot. It is one thing to complain about the officiating if you are a fan, but if you are on the field at the time and you can't stop the opposing team from driving the length of the field, you have NO right to biotch about the officiating. Plus, you may say the hold was a bit iffy (which I don't) but the other two calls were legit. Quit your whinnying Indy... And stay classy.

I think that is his point. Even if they stopped them, it didn't matter, the refs gave them 40 yards in penalties. It's one thing to be good enough to stop them, it's another thing to be good enough and have the refs make the decisions.

 

I think the problem is there is no consistancy with the calls. It's the same in basebll and basketball. Refs all have their own ideas of what is right and wrong. Officiating in professional sports is a joke.

[roroco 75]

I think that is his point. Even if they stopped them, it didn't matter, the refs gave them 40 yards in penalties. It's one thing to be good enough to stop them, it's another thing to be good enough and have the refs make the decisions.

 

I think the problem is there is no consistancy with the calls. It's the same in basebll and basketball. Refs all have their own ideas of what is right and wrong. Officiating in professional sports is a joke.

If that face mask and PI weren't called, then we would be having the same discussion about the refs giving the Colts the win. Us fans are just too hard to please... The problem is that football has a lot of rules and a handful or people enforcing those rules while watching 22 people on the field. Considering how hard it is to call a game perfectly, they do a good job.

 

All that said... fans can ###### about it all they want... players need to shut up about it.

[Phurfur 70]

Yeah... lets make a full time job where someone works at most 20 days in a year. Where do I sign up?

 

Officiating is a problem but do people think paying them more will help?

[phillybear 366]

The NFL fines are a joke almost every single time one is announced.

 

If I were a player that just got fined, I'd call a press conference, and announce that the NFL commissioner tried to grab my naked ass in the locker room. Or corner him, knock him out, put glue on his hand, his hand on my ass, then drag him to where the photographers are hanging out.

[Phurfur 70]

The NFL fines are a joke almost every single time one is announced.

 

If I were a player that just got fined, I'd call a press conference, and announce that the NFL commissioner tried to grab my naked ass in the locker room. Or corner him, knock him out, put glue on his hand, his hand on my ass, then drag him to where the photographers are hanging out.

 

 

You are a very clever fellow.

[Cuse9 129]

Yeah... lets make a full time job where someone works at most 20 days in a year. Where do I sign up?

The NBA, MLB and NHL all have full time officials (granted it's a longer season). The NFL makes enough money that they could afford to pay the refs to be full time officials. It woudn't be just 20 days a year. It's no different than the NFL players. They play 16 games, but is that it. They do nothing during the week, nothing during the offseason. Like I said there would have to be stuff that they do during the week. It may not be a 40 hour a week, 52 weeks a year job, but with the viewers and money that is generated from the NFL you would think they would want to give us the best officiating possible, which they surely don't.

[mzf5c5 0]

I know Freeney was upset and honestly I support what he said.

 

I think 80% or more of the people on these forums can agree, the refs were horrible this year in many, many games and determined the outcome or potiental outcome of many games. Starting with the Chargers/Denver game.

[Drizzay 722]

Funny, I don't remember Freeney bitching when the Colts were benefiting from calls.

[mzf5c5 0]

Funny, I don't remember Freeney bitching when the Colts were benefiting from calls.

 

Trust me, we had the bad end of the calls this year. Hardly had any calls go our way that were bad thank you very much.

 

He vented in frustation of a bad season of calls on the Colts. So that is why there wasn't much bitching from our benefits.

[Dan 66]

Trust me, we had the bad end of the calls this year. Hardly had any calls go our way that were bad thank you very much.

 

He vented in frustation of a bad season of calls on the Colts. So that is why there wasn't much bitching from our benefits.

 

Yeah. That's probably why.

[49ers_suck 0]

I know Freeney was upset and honestly I support what he said.

 

I think 80% or more of the people on these forums can agree, the refs were horrible this year in many, many games and determined the outcome or potiental outcome of many games. Starting with the Chargers/Denver game.

that was bad call, but come on. Hochuli's crew is money. he made a big mistake. it happens. it's too bad it decided the outcome of a game.

 

i honestly think the NFL refs do a pretty dam good job. they are going to miss calls, they are human. you guys think being an NFL ref is easy? and i'm not sure you could make them much better, unless you replay every close call. that aint happenin.

[49ers_suck 0]

Trust me, we had the bad end of the calls this year. Hardly had any calls go our way that were bad thank you very much.

 

He vented in frustation of a bad season of calls on the Colts. So that is why there wasn't much bitching from our benefits.

now that i think about it, thats why the Cowboys didnt make the playoffs. it was the ref's fault!

[t.j 35]

Yeah... lets make a full time job where someone works at most 20 days in a year. Where do I sign up?

 

Ask any NFL player.

[the_risen_demon 0]

The NBA, MLB and NHL all have full time officials (granted it's a longer season). The NFL makes enough money that they could afford to pay the refs to be full time officials. It woudn't be just 20 days a year. It's no different than the NFL players. They play 16 games, but is that it. They do nothing during the week, nothing during the offseason. Like I said there would have to be stuff that they do during the week. It may not be a 40 hour a week, 52 weeks a year job, but with the viewers and money that is generated from the NFL you would think they would want to give us the best officiating possible, which they surely don't.

 

As I understand it, NFL officials are part-time positions not because the NFL doesn't want the expense of paying them a full time salary. As was pointed out, the expense of doing so is insignificant compared to the value of appropriately called games. NFL officials are not full time because the league believes that if someone derived their sole income from the job that they would be more susceptible to bribery. I'm not at all sure that I agree with that, but I do believe that is their reasoning.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

I think that is his point. Even if they stopped them, it didn't matter, the refs gave them 40 yards in penalties. It's one thing to be good enough to stop them, it's another thing to be good enough and have the refs make the decisions.

 

I think the problem is there is no consistancy with the calls. It's the same in basebll and basketball. Refs all have their own ideas of what is right and wrong. Officiating in professional sports is a joke.

The crew that officiated that game handed out the most penalty yards of any crew this season. They were consistent. Indy knew that anything close was going to be called, and should of done a better job.

[Me_2006 14]

He might have been able to tackle Sproles a little better with his mouth closed and I wouldn't have had to watch that beatdown the Steelers just gave the Chargers while they walk on to the AFC title game. They didn't bring it. They got beat. Same as all year, except Peyton didn't get the ball back to bail them out.

[mzf5c5 0]

The crew that officiated that game handed out the most penalty yards of any crew this season. They were consistent. Indy knew that anything close was going to be called, and should of done a better job.

 

Actually, they had been letting a LOT go that game, I saw many holdings, hands to the face and many other things they were allowing, but to crack down in overtime, was pathetic.

[NewbieJr 541]

Should a player be disciplined and/or fined if he jumps offsides? How about a quarterback who throws an interception? Should we penalize a sfatey for a missed tackle?

 

LOL at players expecting perfection from the officials, who are paid about 1/1000 of what they get for screwing up every game.

[RoadLizard 73]

I think that is his point. Even if they stopped them, it didn't matter, the refs gave them 40 yards in penalties. It's one thing to be good enough to stop them, it's another thing to be good enough and have the refs make the decisions.

 

I think the problem is there is no consistancy with the calls. It's the same in basebll and basketball. Refs all have their own ideas of what is right and wrong. Officiating in professional sports is a joke.

 

100% correct. Inconsistency is the biggest issue I have. Its WAY too iffy with calls. There are phantom pass interference calls, holding that gets overlooked and then holding calls that are barely holding, etc, etc.

 

My favorite is illegal contact...what the fock is that? They seem to be able to call that anytime they want, even if its on the other side of the field and has NO bearing on the play. It sucks when refs take over and its the worst in the NFL. Penalties should NOT ever be called unless it is incredibly obvious and REALLY affects the outcome of the play. No excptions. Refs should be trained to NOT throw the flag unless its an incredibly brutal penalty or rule-breakage.

[The Moz 69]

Tennesse has a right to pissed - that was a terrible blown call.

 

Indy - every call made was a actual penalty - are the refferee's just not supposed to call obvious penalties because it's overtime?

[RoadLizard 73]

Tennesse has a right to pissed - that was a terrible blown call.

 

Indy - every call made was a actual penalty - are the refferee's just not supposed to call obvious penalties because it's overtime?

 

No, they shouldnt be calling anything borderline which in many peoples opinions happens too often in the NFL. Like I said, how many illegal contact calls or stoopid holding calls have been made that just dont need to be? The fans have a right to have the game determined by the players and thats all. Now, blatant pass interference or holding is one thing...but all too often very borderline things get called and it just ruins the game.

 

Refs should be instructed to call penalties ONLY when its extremely obvious that a penalty occured AND it actually affected the play which many times it would NOT have.

[RLLD 4,232]

Refs should be instructed to call penalties ONLY when its extremely obvious that a penalty occured AND it actually affected the play which many times it would NOT have.

 

Totally agree.....

[FlaHawker 24]

LOL at players expecting perfection from the officials, who are paid about 1/1000 of what they get for screwing up every game.

There is a huge difference between perfection and competence. I'm not suprised you wouldn't understand the difference. No one expects the refs to be perfect, but we do expect them to be competent. Take yourself for example. No one expects you to be perfect, but when you showed yourself to be incompetent, you got canned at work. That's all we're asking the NFL to do. Hold these incompetent refs' feet to the fire and can their arses when they are incompetent instead of covering for them. Simple.

[t.j 35]

Tennesse has a right to pissed - that was a terrible blown call.

 

Indy - every call made was a actual penalty - are the refferee's just not supposed to call obvious penalties because it's overtime?

 

I disagree. That illegal contact penalty was bullshit. I don't remember what the other two were.

[e-factor 13]

I disagree. That illegal contact penalty was bullshit. I don't remember what the other two were.

 

Yes it was. The other penalty was defensive holding on a DT on a running play. Very seldom called and I'm sorry, it wasn't that blatant to be called at that point of the game. The face mask was legit, but I'm kind of liking the old rule of differentiating between grabbing and pulling the face mask vs grabbing and releasing. Didn't really think about it much until it actually affected the outcome of an important game...........

[roroco 75]

I disagree. That illegal contact penalty was bullshit. I don't remember what the other two were.

Yeah... It should have been a PI. Come on man... The receiver got mugged on that play.

[Franknbeans 46]

figures you'd post about a whiner

[wiffleball 4,790]

I didn't know Freeney was such an idiot. It is one thing to complain about the officiating if you are a fan, but if you are on the field at the time and you can't stop the opposing team from driving the length of the field, you have NO right to biotch about the officiating. Plus, you may say the hold was a bit iffy (which I don't) but the other two calls were legit. Quit your whinnying Indy... And stay classy.

 

Yep. I have to agree with this. He specifically referenced the calls in OT. I've seen some bad calls this year, but none of those were that bad. You can't grab a guy's facemask - ever. I'm pretty sure they teach that day one in Pop Warner. And yes, D players will get called more for holding that O linemen. Deal with it.

 

There may be a discussion to be had about full time / part time argument, but not as a result of these calls. A badly dinged-up Charger team drove the field on its first possession in OT. Then lost badly the next game. When that happens, you prove that you don't belong to win that game. - And it ain't because of the refs.

[wiffleball 4,790]

As I understand it, NFL officials are part-time positions not because the NFL doesn't want the expense of paying them a full time salary. As was pointed out, the expense of doing so is insignificant compared to the value of appropriately called games. NFL officials are not full time because the league believes that if someone derived their sole income from the job that they would be more susceptible to bribery. I'm not at all sure that I agree with that, but I do believe that is their reasoning.

 

Yeah, like I said, there may be an argument to be made, but I haven't heard it yet. Our neighbor was a NCAA ref for 20+ years. Really cool guy. Chemical Engineer on the side. Brilliant guy.

 

The question you have to ask yourself is this: Would another six months of study really pay off? Think about all the 'blown' calls you've seen; I'd be willing to wager that 99% of them have nothing to do with the guy not knowing the rule book. We're talking about split-second judgement calls. You geniuses get to see the play 98 times from every angel in super slo-mo. They don't. Do you think an ump that botches a pitch doesn't know where the strike zone is?

 

The reality is, Refs don't just show up for 3 hours then go back to their lives. Here's a pretty good article that covers some of that.

 

It's not about NFL "cheapness", it's about effectiveness - If someone can guarantee everyone that making the job full time would eliminate 'botched' split-second judgement calls, great. But think about this - We have full time soldiers and pilots in a voluntary army who do nothing BUT train for years and years, every single day. Do they fock up split-second decisions? Do cops? Do surgeons?

[t.j 35]

Yeah... It should have been a PI. Come on man... The receiver got mugged on that play.

 

Well, I will have to watch it agian, but from what I remember, the WR ran right at the DB, pushed him back, they got tangled up a bit, and both guys had their hands up at that point, but neither was holding the other. Ball was thrown way over the WR and he was backing away from the DB not getting touched while the ball was in the air. Definitely not PI, and the contact before was initiated by the offense.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Over the long run, the good calls even out the bad calls per team.

 

Nothing to see here.

[t.j 35]

The face mask was legit, but I'm kind of liking the old rule of differentiating between grabbing and pulling the face mask vs grabbing and releasing. Didn't really think about it much until it actually affected the outcome of an important game...........

 

I never liked that rule change to begin with. But yeah that one was the right call.

[t.j 35]

Over the long run, the good calls even out the bad calls per team.

 

Nothing to see here.

 

This is the most worthless, generic, overused, and incorrect philosophy with regard to penalties that there is.

[t.j 35]

And yes, D players will get called more for holding that O linemen.

 

Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?

 

A badly dinged-up Charger team drove the field on its first possession in OT. Then lost badly the next game. When that happens, you prove that you don't belong to win that game.

 

That's a fallacy.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

No, they shouldnt be calling anything borderline which in many peoples opinions happens too often in the NFL. Like I said, how many illegal contact calls or stoopid holding calls have been made that just dont need to be? The fans have a right to have the game determined by the players and thats all. Now, blatant pass interference or holding is one thing...but all too often very borderline things get called and it just ruins the game.

 

Refs should be instructed to call penalties ONLY when its extremely obvious that a penalty occured AND it actually affected the play which many times it would NOT have.

 

This

[NewbieJr 541]

Is this the thread where losing teams' fans come to whine about being ripped off?