Bobby Jindal

[wiffleball 4,799]

Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal’s ® response to President Obama’s speech tonight received a universal thumbs down from the Fox News panelists, who are traditionally conservatives’ most gentle critics:

 

BRIT HUME: “The speech read a lot better than it sounded. This was not Bobby Jindal’s greatest oratorical moment.”

 

NINA EASTON: “The delivery was not exactly terrific.”

 

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: “Jindal didn’t have a chance. He follows Obama, who in making speeches, is in a league of his own. He’s in a Reagan-esque league. … [Jindal] tried the best he could.”

 

JUAN WILLIAMS: “It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was sing-songy. He was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.”

[cribdog 0]

His delivery was borderline condescending. It's tough to explain, but everybody seems to think the same thing.

It was like he was reading a bedtime story to a bunch of 1st graders. It was BRUTAL to watch.

 

This is exactly what I thought. He was talking to us like we were little kids. I would like to think that the overall population is at least a little bit more intelligent than who he was catering to.

[Me_2006 14]

Well yeah, for you? You have the intellectual heft of a paper towel. I can understand why you wouldn't feel his tone was condescending.

 

Look up nihilism and do a term paper on it.

Ya know, you're really good at links and all that, but why do you resort to the name-calling and "condescending tone" when someone asks you a legit question?

 

You love to act like you're somehow intellectually superior to everyone here when ripping apart a dumbassed Recliner Pilot post, and rant about how no one thinks about things and we're all just Sarah Palin disciples or something, yet I ask an actual question about how it's condescening when Jindal does it yet virtually every politican I can remember has done the same thing and it's only a problem now?

[GettnHuge 2]

[KSB2424 3,174]

Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal’s ® response to President Obama’s speech tonight received a universal thumbs down from the Fox News panelists, who are traditionally conservatives’ most gentle critics:

 

BRIT HUME: “The speech read a lot better than it sounded. This was not Bobby Jindal’s greatest oratorical moment.”

 

NINA EASTON: “The delivery was not exactly terrific.”

 

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: “Jindal didn’t have a chance. He follows Obama, who in making speeches, is in a league of his own. He’s in a Reagan-esque league. … [Jindal] tried the best he could.”

 

JUAN WILLIAMS: “It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was sing-songy. He was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.”

 

Thanks for the quote Wiffle.

 

However, why is no one talking about what was said? Everything I am getting from you guys is that he "sounded" this, or his speech technique was not as good as Obama, ect. Is there any reaction to WHAT he said?

 

I fear America is only about looks and not content. At the end of the day does how someone looks or talks save the economy, or keep away terror, or reduce the deficit, or help education? :reallysadbanana:

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I get that, but from you of all people I am a little dissapointed. The biggest knock on Ron Paul was that he was a terrible public speaker, and he sounded crazy, blah blah. But if you could look past that, his message was worth sifting through the "bad speaking".

 

I guess even you look more at "how" something is said, as opposed to "what" is said. :sadbanana:

 

 

The question was: How do you think Jindal's speech was?

 

I replied..I thought it sucked. It was worse than any speech I've ever heard from Ron Paul and that's saying alot.

It was SO bad I could barely stand to listen to him, let alone try to comprehend what he was saying.

 

What I did gather was the typical Republican Bullshit. I'd rather have a bad speaker come out and say "if we don't address this, we're going to have very serious problems....here's why", not "Let me tell you a story...sit down and grab your favorite blanky".

 

I get what you're saying brother....but you have to admit it was terrible.

[wiffleball 4,799]

Ya know, you're really good at links and all that, but why do you resort to the name-calling and "condescending tone" when someone asks you a legit question?

 

You love to act like you're somehow intellectually superior to everyone here when ripping apart a dumbassed Recliner Pilot post, and rant about how no one thinks about things and we're all just Sarah Palin disciples or something, yet I ask an actual question about how it's condescening when Jindal does it yet virtually every politican I can remember has done the same thing and it's only a problem now?

 

Face it me, you're what? 14? We've seen your posts.

 

And the difference is when you say it like you're mother Fred Rogers (you do know who he is right?) it sounds like he's about to ask us to be his neighbor.

 

Check it out: Mr. Jindals Neighborhood

 

But yeah Me, damn near every Intelligent Conservative in the land has said virtually the same thing, but you? You've got it all figured out.

[Me_2006 14]

Face it me, you're what? 14? We've seen your posts.

 

And the difference is when you say it like you're mother Fred Rogers (you do know who he is right?) it sounds like he's about to ask us to be his neighbor.

 

Check it out: Mr. Jindals Neighborhood

 

But yeah Me, damn near every Intelligent Conservative in the land has said virtually the same thing, but you? You've got it all figured out.

Do you not find it ironic I'm asking you for your actual opinion and an explanation on it, yet you're just making fun of my age and intelligence?

 

I'm aware you have google and can link a bunch of sites and copy paste really well, but please defend your position on why it's any different when Jindal says "let me tell you a story."

 

Actually Wiff, just nevermind. It's not that important. You've never once been wrong or out of line on here and a kid like me sure isn't gonna change that today.

[wiffleball 4,799]

Thanks for the quote Wiffle.

 

However, why is no one talking about what was said? Everything I am getting from you guys is that he "sounded" this, or his speech technique was not as good as Obama, ect. Is there any reaction to WHAT he said?

 

I fear America is only about looks and not content. At the end of the day does how someone looks or talks save the economy, or keep away terror, or reduce the deficit, or help education? :reallysadbanana:

 

Seems like you're ignoring anything you don't want to see. A full-on analysis of his volcano comment. A Conservative's response to his idea that the Federal Government can't be trusted to do anything (by using a GOP disaster). - When at this point, even the GOP agreed that massive bialouts were necessary.

 

- That's content. He missed it by a mile. That's not just my opinion, I've posted many very smart conservatives who felt the same way. Yes, his delivery was focking goofy as hell, but once you get past that, to be opposed to everything but tax cuts, to say stupid shiit like $x dollars for a train to Disneyland (not true). - He represented the GOP last night - badly - but accurately - they don't have a platform other then "the other guys suck". They have to have a plan of their own - and he didn't.

 

You may feel differently - and that's cool, but man, when Fox says you sucked - and you're a conservative running for POTUS? That's something.

 

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I guess when he stated the following quotes I remember nodding my head in agreement. I could care less about his voice tone or volcanoes.

 

"Democratic leaders say their legislation will grow the economy. What it will do is grow the government, increase our taxes down the line, and saddle future generations with debt. Who among us would ask our children for a loan, so we could spend money we do not have, on things we do not need? That is precisely what the Democrats in Congress just did. It's irresponsible. And it's no way to strengthen our economy, create jobs, or build a prosperous future for our children.

 

"To solve our current problems, Washington must lead. But the way to lead is not to raise taxes and put more money and power in hands of Washington politicians. The way to lead is by empowering you - the American people. Because we believe that Americans can do anything.

 

"A few weeks ago, the President warned that our nation is facing a crisis that he said 'we may not be able to reverse.' Our troubles are real, to be sure. But don't let anyone tell you that we cannot recover - or that America's best days are behind her."

 

Especially this one:

 

"In recent years, these distinctions in philosophy became less clear - because our party got away from its principles. You elected Republicans to champion limited government, fiscal discipline, and personal responsibility. Instead, Republicans went along with earmarks and big government spending in Washington. Republicans lost your trust - and rightly so.

[The Moz 72]

I'm making an early prediction. Bobby Jindal will be in Slumdog II

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Anyone else pretty sure the GOP will pick a different guy to do the rebuttle speech next time?

 

Wow, talk a bout a kid being thrown out there long before he's ready.

 

They were so desperate to find a 'young, minority, energetic' prototype as a possible 2012 opponent, that they forgot to make sure he doesn't come off as the nerd who used to sit behind you in chemistry class.

 

That was FAIL with a capital F.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Anyone else pretty sure the GOP will pick a different guy to do the rebuttle speech next time?

 

Wow, talk a bout a kid being thrown out there long before he's ready.

 

They were so desperate to find a 'young, minority, energetic' prototype as a possible 2012 opponent, that they forgot to make sure he doesn't come off as the nerd who used to sit behind you in chemistry class.

 

That was FAIL with a capital F.

You're right. The GOP needs to get with the times. No way he would win an American Idol type contest like a Presidential election in the 21rst century. Jindal is way to nerdy. He prolly wouldn't even make it to Hollywood...errr...Washington.

[surferskin 31]

Anyone else pretty sure the GOP will pick a different guy to do the rebuttle speech next time?

 

Wow, talk a bout a kid being thrown out there long before he's ready.

 

They were so desperate to find a 'young, minority, energetic' prototype as a possible 2012 opponent, that they forgot to make sure he doesn't come off as the nerd who used to sit behind you in chemistry class.

 

That was FAIL with a capital F.

Honestly, did you really even watch his speech?

[NewbieJr 541]

Honestly, did you really even watch his speech?

Absolutely. Very condescending and amateurish.

[MedStudent 56]

the simple answer for me was:

 

Jindal did not connect with me. I thought he was a terrible speaker.

[wiffleball 4,799]

I guess when he stated the following quotes I remember nodding my head in agreement. I could care less about his voice tone or volcanoes.

Especially this one:

 

 

Democratic leaders say their legislation will grow the economy. What it will do is grow the government, increase our taxes down the line, and saddle future generations with debt. Who among us would ask our children for a loan, so we could spend money we do not have, on things we do not need? That is precisely what the Democrats in Congress just did. It's irresponsible. And it's no way to strengthen our economy, create jobs, or build a prosperous future for our children.

 

But we know that's not true. Hell Schwarzenneger himself came out and said it would create a ton of jobs in Gulleyforna. I don't know where that is, but that's good news for them.

 

"To solve our current problems, Washington must lead. But the way to lead is not to raise taxes and put more money and power in hands of Washington politicians. The way to lead is by empowering you - the American people. Because we believe that Americans can do anything.

 

Didn't I just see a thread where 95% of people are supposedly getting a tax cut? The Stimulus is almost half tax cuts. That's just deceptive, no?

 

"A few weeks ago, the President warned that our nation is facing a crisis that he said 'we may not be able to reverse.' Our troubles are real, to be sure. But don't let anyone tell you that we cannot recover - or that America's best days are behind her."

 

Apparently, he didn't watch Obama's speech where he said "we will recover, we will rebuild?"

 

 

Good posting on your part. But this is what I'm talking about saying empty things like "You can do ANYTHING!" sure sounds nice, people like to hear taht, but WTF does that mean to the out or work construction worker who can't even feed his family? Like I pointed out, to just flat-out ignore the tax cuts, to cherry pick one sentence, but not another, to not really offer any real plan of your own - sure the words are pretty (and yes, I agree with your last choice), but there was no THERE there.

 

And, you're Slumdog comment is POD.

[NewbieJr 541]

This thread is bullsh!t. People are bashing a young Republican before they even give him a chance? Isn't that only reserved by Obama?

[wiffleball 4,799]

This thread is bullsh!t. People are bashing a young Republican before they even give him a chance? Isn't that only reserved by Obama?

 

If Obama ever gives a speech like that, I"m sure the bashing will come fast and furious. Rigth now, both sides are bashing an absolutely painful speech.

[NewbieJr 541]

If Obama ever gives a speech like that, I"m sure the bashing will come fast and furious. Rigth now, both sides are bashing an absolutely painful speech.

That party is so desperate to find a "great white (or non) hope" that they're jamming anyone with even an ounce of potential down the public's throat.

 

I guarantee you that they're about the public's response to Jindal last night.

[Lackman 0]

If Obama ever gives a speech like that, I"m sure the bashing will come fast and furious. Rigth now, both sides are bashing an absolutely painful speech.

 

Absolutely brutal. It was well over an hour long too. And all that clapping was annoying. Just sit down and shutup, and let the scary man with giant ears that could have been an extra in a George Romero film lie to you some more.

[posty 2,862]

I'm not sure why the GOP feels like they need to cater to the stupid.

 

Because 69,456,897 (according to Wiki) proved that they are...

[KSB2424 3,174]

That party is so desperate to find a "great white (or non) hope" that they're jamming anyone with even an ounce of potential down the public's throat.

Jindal is being jammed down our throats? Fock, I'm allergic to spiced curry.

 

But seriously, there is always a rebutle speech. The democrats did it too. He is not being jammed down anyone's throats. It was a speech, somebody had to give it. Come on dude.

 

this is the point where I think you are just fishing

[NewbieJr 541]

Jindal is being jammed down our throats? Fock, I'm allergic to spiced curry.

 

But seriously, there is always a rebutle speech. The democrats did it too. He is not being jammed down anyone's throats. It was a speech, somebody had to give it. Come on dude.

 

this is the point where I think you are just fishing

You don't think he was chosen because he's 1. Young (like Obama), 2. Energetic (like Obama), and 3. a minority (like Obama)????? Come on now. You know better than that. Just like they put Palin on the ticket for demographic reasons, they chose Jindal.

 

They know what's popular with the public right now and they're trying to find their-Obama.

[KSB2424 3,174]

You don't think he was chosen because he's 1. Young (like Obama), 2. Energetic (like Obama), and 3. a minority (like Obama)????? Come on now. You know better than that. Just like they put Palin on the ticket for demographic reasons, they chose Jindal.

 

They know what's popular with the public right now and they're trying to find their-Obama.

I'm sure that the GOP looked at his age and ethinic background as a plus. I also think they chose him because of his ideals and opposition to the stimulus.

 

My main arguement with your post was the whole "jamming down our throats" comment. Jindal made a speech. That was it. I would say that 95% of the American public outside of Louisiana didn't even know who the fock he was.

 

Exactly how is he being jammed down our throats?

[Lackman 0]

Exactly how is he being jammed down our throats?

 

I'd defer to NewbieJr on this topic. He is used to meat poles sliding way down his windpipe.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

I'm out of the country so I didn't see the speech. Reading conservative blogs and stuff, it's getting absolutely awful reviews. The main thing that I am reading is that it was good on substance, poor on delivery.

 

I don't blame most of America for ignoring what the guy said, and instead focusing on how he said it. I did the same thing with Ron Paul...until eventually I actually listened to the guy.

 

I've read alot of good things on Jindal, and he seems to be a pretty hard line conservative and a definite rising star in the party. This is disappointing to hear he was pretty much awful tonight, as I like what the guy has to offer. Hopefully, he learns from his mistakes and comes across better next time.

[Four More Beers 0]

Jindal was focking stupid for even taking that gig. You're never going to get good reviews following Obama.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Jindal was focking stupid for even taking that gig. You're never going to get good reviews following Obama.

This is prolly true in the 21rst century of political blogs, 24 hour news channels, message boreds, cell phones, gossip magazines, and all the glitz and glamour.

 

I learned a valuable lesson today. The media and most of America cares most about how you look and how well you speak. Values, morals, world issues, and ideals come second fiddle. The fact that most everyone is only focusing on the presentation of Jindals speech rather than what was actually said only solidifies this for me.

[MedStudent 56]

This is prolly true in the 21rst century of political blogs, 24 hour news channels, message boreds, cell phones, gossip magazines, and all the glitz and glamour.

 

I learned a valuable lesson today. The media and most of America cares most about how you look and how well you speak. Values, morals, world issues, and ideals come second fiddle. The fact that most everyone is only focusing on the presentation of Jindals speech rather than what was actually said only solidifies this for me.

 

America has NEVER elected a geek as president and that is how he came off. I was really hoping he would give a good speech. America needs more talented people to run for higher office. But i was disapointed. I am amazed that you thought it was any good. Not only was it poorly delivered but I think his speech was poorly written. No specifics. Just typical rhetoric from the right to match the left's rhetoric. To be fair these speeches by the other party are rarely worth listening to. I just listened to this one because i heard Jindal is a rising star. But i was disapointed.

[KSB2424 3,174]

America has NEVER elected a geek as president and that is how he came off. I was really hoping he would give a good speech. America needs more talented people to run for higher office. But i was disapointed. I am amazed that you thought it was any good. Not only was it poorly delivered but I think his speech was poorly written. No specifics. Just typical rhetoric from the right to match the left's rhetoric. To be fair these speeches by the other party are rarely worth listening to. I just listened to this one because i heard Jindal is a rising star. But i was disapointed.

I already said his little stories and parts of his delievery were less than desirable. I think I even used the term "nerdy". However the meat and potatoes of the speech I agreed with. I even quoted the portions I liked earlier in the thread. You prolly missed it because only Wiffle responded to that post. Everyone else keeps focusing on the poor delivery instead.

 

This was not a speech about specifics. It was a retort about philosophical differences that the GOP has (especially in regards to the stimulus and big gov't) with the current administration, and a heads up that they realize the Repubs have gotten away from their true ideals and vow to learn from those mistakes. A very big statement IMO that is being overlooked.

 

The reason it is being overlooked? Because he wasn't pretty and came off nerdy. Just think about that for a second.

[itsbigmoni 1]

He's more to the right than RP and his minions. But what the hell happened to his accent? You should hear him when he's not giving a national speech. The first time i heard him talk i couldn't stop laughing. He was the first brown person i've ever heard talk with a southern accent so thick it seemed like he was faking it. I guess he was either faking it before, or figured on a national stage, he should tone it down.

 

But yea, he's in favor of creationism being taught in school. :epicfail:

[Lackman 0]

The reason it is being overlooked? Because he wasn't pretty and came off nerdy. Just think about that for a second.

 

Clearly, a Geek has to be physically attracted to a candidate before voting for him.

[MedStudent 56]

But yea, he's in favor of creationism being taught in school. :epicfail:

 

Didn't realize that. Then I think he is an idiot besides being a poor speaker.

 

It was a retort about philosophical differences that the GOP has (especially in regards to the stimulus and big gov't) with the current administration, and a heads up that they realize the Repubs have gotten away from their true ideals and vow to learn from those mistakes. A very big statement IMO that is being overlooked.

 

McCain said the same thing. Too late republicans. Time for the other side to get a turn.

[wiffleball 4,799]

Didn't realize that. Then I think he is an idiot besides being a poor speaker.

 

Google Jindall and 'exorcism'. - Geez, the stuff he says about that (He believes in them, has performed them) makes the creation stuff look tame.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Google Jindall and 'exorcism'. - Geez, the stuff he says about that (He believes in them, has performed them) makes the creation stuff look tame.

 

Ugh....I heard about that somewhere. Forgot about that.

 

Why can't there be a good fiscal conservative candidate who is not so deeply rooted in religion? Why does it have to go hand in hand? I can't stand the base of the Repub party...

[FeelingMN 273]

This was not a speech about specifics. It was a retort about philosophical differences that the GOP has (especially in regards to the stimulus and big gov't) with the current administration, and a heads up that they realize the Repubs have gotten away from their true ideals and vow to learn from those mistakes. A very big statement IMO that is being overlooked.

 

The reason it is being overlooked? Because he wasn't pretty and came off nerdy. Just think about that for a second.

 

But how convenient they say that NOW, after the American public voted a lot of their asses out of office. Seriously, the last two elections were as much about voting for a candidate as it was voting against Republicans. So now they can sit back and say, "ohhhhh, crap, we screwed up. We're sorry. We'll return to our roots ASAP." I mean, it sounds good but is it sincere?

 

 

I just don't trust any politicians, and until some candidate can really empathize with the average American, my distrust will continue.

 

Still though, you're exactly right about perception >>>>>> substance. What else would you expect from a populace composed mainly of consumers?

[Uh-huh 0]

the GOP is screwed

 

No message, no direction, no stars, no solutions.

[SUXBNME 1,636]

Wiff, me2006 dwarfs you with his intelligence.

 

You may have more wisdom, but that is only because you are like 40 years older then him.

 

HTH

[corky 0]

This is exactly what I thought. He was talking to us like we were little kids. I would like to think that the overall population is at least a little bit more intelligent than who he was catering to.

What do you expect from an injun?