Has any US President ever been dealt a worse hand than Obama?

[cbfalcon 828]

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[Lackman 0]

The Depression my ass. The Carter presidency crossover was 5 times worse. Right now is hunky dory by comparison.

 

I don't understand how people forget history so quickly. What do they teach kids in school today? For example, do they mention spending half a day in a line waiting for gasoline, hoping the station didn't run out before you got to the pump. Today, people complain about paying 2 dollars a gallon. Yeah, but you can get a fill up anywhere within a minute. Or how ridiculous unemployment was.

[Nomad99 866]

Trueman

 

 

He had to decide whether to invade Mainland Japan at the cost of 100's of 1000's of american lives OR become the first(and only) nation to use an atomic weapon agaist mankind.

 

It was just over 100 days after taking over that the Bomb was dropped

[Reality 3,176]

Umm, was Obama dropped off a space ship a few months ago?

 

Obama was elected to the Senate in 2004. The Democrats took over the House and Senate in 2006.

 

The entire premise of this thread is so fukn stupid..

 

When you were part of the problem from the beginning how can you be "handed" anything.. The "handed" implies you had nothing to do with it from the jump.

 

It's a sh!tty time and the short time Obama has been in charge things have gotten worse.. I think people are really starting to have buyers remorse and are seriously wondering if this guy is in over his head.

 

Sucks for us I guess..

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Newbie and the rest of the Demwits would truly love to erase ol' Peanuthead from the history books, wouldn't they.

I loved Ronald Reagen. One of our best Presidents,.

 

Guys like RP just can't comprehend that. A guy who could give a rat's ass what party a President comes from.

[pimptastic69 0]

I loved Ronald Reagen. One of our best Presidents,.

 

Guys like RP just can't comprehend that. A guy who could give a rat's ass what party a President comes from.

 

“I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.” Ronald Reagan, 1962

 

 

Dude is chock full of awesome quotes.

[swamp dog 0]

Lincoln, Johnson (Lincoln's successor), FDR...not sure where I'd rank them but those weren't very optimal positions, either.

 

Reagan...lol...you youngins that weren't around before MTV need to study history a bit more. Reagan...good one (and i voted for him twice, so shut it).

 

one might even argue ford...after nixon's resignation, the country now very cynical, the malaise of vietnam still ripe.

[Nomad99 866]

It's a sh!tty time and the short time Obama has been in charge things have gotten worse.. I think people are really starting to have buyers remorse and are seriously wondering if this guy is in over his head.

 

Sucks for us I guess..

 

I just have to post this again

[NewbieJr 541]

The democrats have control of the presidency, house of reps and the senate.

 

Yeah, he really has his back against the wall there.

I'm not talking about bi-partisan, political BS.

 

I'm talking about what the country is facing. Having a majority control of the house doesn't help with the economy or the war.

[posty 2,868]

Here's what I don't understand. If things were pretty shiity back in the early 80s, and we got out of it, why not follow the same roadmap? Apparently whatever Reagan did worked, so why do the complete opposite and hope to achieve the same result?

 

Because Democrats want to empower the government to be in control of everything...

[NewbieJr 541]

Economy is worse now than it was the day before he was elected. You do the math.

 

Dude, every single great economic mind in teh world has said that this economy is going to get worse before it gets better. They were saying that before they knew who the next President was going to be.

 

They've all said it isn't likely to level out until the end of 2009. If you (or anyone else) expected Obama to turn it around in his first month of office, you were definitely drinking the kool- Aid. Hell, even Obama didn't make that claim while running.

[posty 2,868]

 

Dude, every single great economic mind in teh world has said that this economy is going to get worse before it gets better. They were saying that before they knew who the next President was going to be.

 

They've all said it isn't likely to level out until the end of 2009. If you (or anyone else) expected Obama to turn it around in his first month of office, you were definitely drinking the kool- Aid. Hell, even Obama didn't make that claim while running.

 

And they also said that doing nothing would be much better than passing the "stimulus" package that Democrats pushed through...

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Reagan...lol...you youngins that weren't around before MTV need to study history a bit more. Reagan...good one (and i voted for him twice, so shut it).

 

Your idiocy knows no limits. There is no comparison between the chaos that Reagan overcame, and the recession Obama is making worse. I guess you missed this earlier post:

 

 

Things were pretty bad when Reagan took over.

 

Prime Rate

1981: 20.5%

2009: 3.25% (Current)

 

Inflation

1980: 14.8%

2008: 0% (December)

 

Unemployment Rate

1982: 10.8%

2008: 7.2% (December)

 

30-Year Mortgage Rate

1981: 18.5%

2009: 4.96% (Current)

 

Real Gas Price (2008 dollars)

1981: $3.45 per gallon

2009: $1.82 (Current)

 

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/01/th...80s-were-worse/

 

Also, add in the Cold War and Iran Hostage crisis.

[listen2me 23 1,977]

So basically, you will excuse him for any failures as president.

Thanks...but I think by your posts we already knew that.

 

Coming from the guy that whines all the time if you put words in his mouth or spin something into a bigger deal.

 

[Ravens 03 0]

Things were pretty bad when Reagan took over.

 

Prime Rate

1981: 20.5%

2009: 3.25% (Current)

 

Inflation

1980: 14.8%

2008: 0% (December)

 

Unemployment Rate

1982: 10.8%

2008: 7.2% (December)

 

30-Year Mortgage Rate

1981: 18.5%

2009: 4.96% (Current)

 

Real Gas Price (2008 dollars)

1981: $3.45 per gallon

2009: $1.82 (Current)

 

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/01/th...80s-were-worse/

 

Also, add in the Cold War and Iran Hostage crisis.

 

Anybody gonna defend Obama having a more challenging time?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Anybody gonna defend Obama having a more challenging time?

 

Swamp dog says that anyone who knows Reagan took over a worse situation it just "too young".

 

Isn't that good enough for ya?

[swamp dog 0]

Swamp dog says that anyone who knows Reagan took over a worse situation it just "too young".

 

Isn't that good enough for ya?

 

what were foreclosure rates? what was going bankrupt on wall street? chrsyler was in the shitter, but i don't remember the entire auto industry threatening bankruptcy. oh, yeah: some punk college students in iran held america hostage and let them go the day ronnie took the oath.

 

but that was much, much worse than a 2-front war and 7000 dead in mexican drug wars. silly me.

 

lol...wow. get your mouth off ronnie's schlong and get a clue.

 

as much as you want to credit ronnie, you also have conveniently left out the gops got gouged in mid-terms in 82 because the economy was still (gasp) in the shitter and ronnie did one of the biggest tax hikes in history to curb the deficit (one of several times he followed his tax cuts with massive government intervention and taxes to offset the spiraling deficit).

 

the. end.

[swamp dog 0]

and as we're foisting all blame on obama for the current numbers of the economy--it's his watch now, right?--let's see what happened under ronnie's watch in the early 80s:

 

--The early 1980s recession was a severe recession in the United States which began in July 1981 and ended in November 1982.The primary cause of the recession was a contractionary monetary policy established by the Federal Reserve System to control high inflation.

 

--By September 1982, the jobless rate reached 10.8%. Twelve million people were unemployed, an increase of 4.2 million people since July 1981.

 

 

 

http://investment-blog.net/us-double-digit...9-single-digit/

 

whaaattttt? things were actually GETTING WORSE under ronnie a full YEAR AND A HALF AFTER HE TOOK OFFICE?!

 

and here you are throwing obama under a bus, recliner, after 5 focking weeks. you must have been really biatching about ronnie back in 81 and 82, right? what a clusterfock he did there.

[jerryskids 7,270]

Comparing challenges like this is like comparing athletes from different eras. It's apples and oranges. That being said, I'd say the closest comparison (in situations and approaches) is FDR.

 

The difference is: FDR had a populace who was willing to sacrifice. Obama has an entitlement society which expects the government to solve its problems. And he seems to think he can do it by taking away from the people who make this country tick.

[Savage Beast 1]

Makes you wonder why any sane man would want the damn job.

 

[itsbigmoni 1]

Reagans legacy has been visited by revisionists more than any other president. Not saying he wasn't a good president, but the man was not anything at all like how he is remembered today.

[Vikings4ever 570]

Reagans legacy has been visited by revisionist more than any other president. Not saying he wasn't a good president, but the man was not anything at all like how he is remembered today.

Truman?

[BudBro 185]

Between the worst financial collapse (which was at it's early stages, unfortunately) since the 1920's, and the war situation in Iraq, has there ever been a US President who had the odds stacked against him as much as Barrack Obama?

 

Obviously, the mess with the economy was deep-rooted and started long before anyone even knew who Obama was, but he was handed the task of trying to strighten it out.

 

As for the war, by now, 99% of Americans know that we never should have even gone over there, but that doesn't change the fact that we are involved in what could be a worldwide political nightmare if the withdrawing of troops causes international problems and doesn't go smoothly.

The point of this thread isn't to discuss whether we think he'll succeed or not, everyone's opinion on that ois well documented. The question posed is, has any US President ever been handed a more daunting task?

 

Discuss.

nancy pelosi, harry reid, barney frank, and chris dodd created this economy to hand over to barryo. too bad for him they are in his own party and don't know their asses from a hole in the ground (except barney). they know this is their last hurrah and are getting theirs while they can. you can't biitch when you're one of the morons voting them in.

[NewbieJr 541]

and as we're foisting all blame on obama for the current numbers of the economy--it's his watch now, right?--let's see what happened under ronnie's watch in the early 80s:

 

--The early 1980s recession was a severe recession in the United States which began in July 1981 and ended in November 1982.The primary cause of the recession was a contractionary monetary policy established by the Federal Reserve System to control high inflation.

 

--By September 1982, the jobless rate reached 10.8%. Twelve million people were unemployed, an increase of 4.2 million people since July 1981.

http://investment-blog.net/us-double-digit...9-single-digit/

 

whaaattttt? things were actually GETTING WORSE under ronnie a full YEAR AND A HALF AFTER HE TOOK OFFICE?!

 

and here you are throwing obama under a bus, recliner, after 5 focking weeks. you must have been really biatching about ronnie back in 81 and 82, right? what a clusterfock he did there.

 

Oh, SNAP!

[remote controller 143]

Between the worst financial collapse (which was at it's early stages, unfortunately) since the 1920's, and the war situation in Iraq, has there ever been a US President who had the odds stacked against him as much as Barrack Obama?

 

Obviously, the mess with the economy was deep-rooted and started long before anyone even knew who Obama was, but he was handed the task of trying to strighten it out.

 

As for the war, by now, 99% of Americans know that we never should have even gone over there, but that doesn't change the fact that we are involved in what could be a worldwide political nightmare if the withdrawing of troops causes international problems and doesn't go smoothly.

The point of this thread isn't to discuss whether we think he'll succeed or not, everyone's opinion on that ois well documented. The question posed is, has any US President ever been handed a more daunting task?

 

Discuss.

Yes, the one dealt to Bush by Clinton. Horrible transition because Clinton was a piece of $hit. He had destroyed our Intelligence operations and sold out to China. 911 was the worst disaster done to us on our soil, and Bush had to step to the plate. He did so protecting us from that momemnt on, and he had to build the mechanism to do it. This financial mess was sign sealed and delivered by Barney Frank with help from hairyreed, and the lady with the big t!ts. The Dems allowed this economy to tank so they could win an election. The only thing Bush could be blamed for was spending too much time protecting this country, thinking that Congress, Reublicans and Democrats, would manage their business, and they didn't! Obama got just what the dems wanted, and now we still have hairyreed, the lady with the big t!ts, and Barney franks around to fock it up worse. I shutter at the thought of Obama in charge of this Countries safety. He is still too concerned with his Image abroad, and his standing in Hollywood.

[swamp dog 0]

Reagans legacy has been visited by revisionists more than any other president. Not saying he wasn't a good president, but the man was not anything at all like how he is remembered today.

 

the cons conveniently now completely ignore reagan's massive government intervention (taxes--especially to social security--and the infusion of tens of thousands of government workers into the system) and focus exclusively on his tax cuts (which were always followed by huge and frantic government intervention to offset the spiraling debt his tax cuts caused).

 

and they blame carter for the economy that got progressively worse for nearly two full years after ronnie took office--but of course say that obama and his 5 weeks on the job are exclusively to blame for our current woes.

 

but then again, all these people believe what rush tells them to believe so it isn't surprising.

[Lackman 0]

the cons conveniently now completely ignore reagan's massive government intervention (taxes--especially to social security--and the infusion of tens of thousands of government workers into the system) and focus exclusively on his tax cuts (which were always followed by huge and frantic government intervention to offset the spiraling debt his tax cuts caused).

 

and they blame carter for the economy that got progressively worse for nearly two full years after ronnie took office--but of course say that obama and his 5 weeks on the job are exclusively to blame for our current woes.

 

but then again, all these people believe what rush tells them to believe so it isn't surprising.

 

Do you have nightmares about Indians putting pillows over your face to end your misery of having a brain full of pudding?

[The Moz 72]

honestly - NO

 

world view was pretty much sh!t

 

economy - total sh!t

 

gov't organzation - sh!tty

 

 

that said barack hasn't exactly shined so far --- I do like his Foreign policy - I HATE his massive spending.

[Lackman 0]

I do like his Foreign policy

 

Other countries are telling us what to do.

[swamp dog 0]

Do you have nightmares about Indians putting pillows over your face to end your misery of having a brain full of pudding?

 

brilliant comeback. better go load up on the off-brand beer before the double-header of rush and sean and this afternoon's radio.

[NorthernVike 2,113]

Yes, the one dealt to Bush by Clinton. Horrible transition because Clinton was a piece of $hit. He had destroyed our Intelligence operations and sold out to China. 911 was the worst disaster done to us on our soil, and Bush had to step to the plate. He did so protecting us from that momemnt on, and he had to build the mechanism to do it. This financial mess was sign sealed and delivered by Barney Frank with help from hairyreed, and the lady with the big t!ts. The Dems allowed this economy to tank so they could win an election. The only thing Bush could be blamed for was spending too much time protecting this country, thinking that Congress, Reublicans and Democrats, would manage their business, and they didn't! Obama got just what the dems wanted, and now we still have hairyreed, the lady with the big t!ts, and Barney franks around to fock it up worse. I shutter at the thought of Obama in charge of this Countries safety. He is still too concerned with his Image abroad, and his standing in Hollywood.

 

 

Link to photo of the big t!ts

[Lackman 0]

brilliant comeback. better go load up on the off-brand beer before the double-header of rush and sean and this afternoon's radio.

 

Who the hell listens to political talk on the radio?

 

Sadly, you assume that I am a Republican. I assume your head can pop back and dispense tasty Pez candy. Only one of us is right. Wanna guess who it is?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

what were foreclosure rates? what was going bankrupt on wall street? chrsyler was in the shitter, but i don't remember the entire auto industry threatening bankruptcy. oh, yeah: some punk college students in iran held america hostage and let them go the day ronnie took the oath.

 

but that was much, much worse than a 2-front war and 7000 dead in mexican drug wars. silly me.

 

lol...wow. get your mouth off ronnie's schlong and get a clue.

 

as much as you want to credit ronnie, you also have conveniently left out the gops got gouged in mid-terms in 82 because the economy was still (gasp) in the shitter and ronnie did one of the biggest tax hikes in history to curb the deficit (one of several times he followed his tax cuts with massive government intervention and taxes to offset the spiraling deficit).

 

the. end.

 

 

Take the same numbers that compared what Obama walked into to what Reagan walked into and look at what they did during his 8 years. Compare unemployment, interest rates, the prime, and inflation between when Reagan took office and when he left.

 

The End.......

[Uh-huh 0]

Take the same numbers that compared what Obama walked into to what Reagan walked into and look at what they did during his 8 years. Compare unemployment, interest rates, the prime, and inflation between when Reagan took office and when he left.

Logic escaping you again? Now you're trying to compare Reagan's 8 years to Obama's 6 weeks? The Lemming... always good for a chuckle

[GobbleDog 1,023]

I totally agree that this was a bad hand for any President. Economy in recession, banking crisis, and an unwinnable war in Afganistan. For those reasons Obama will probably be a one term President. I think anyone in that sitation would be screwed - Obama or McCain.

[Frank M 181]

swamp dog won this thread.

 

 

And it wasn't even close.

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

This is going to reflect badly upon negroes...much the same way James Buchanan reflected poorly upon queers.

 

[corky 0]

I totally agree that this was a bad hand for any President. Economy in recession, banking crisis, and an unwinnable war in Afganistan. For those reasons Obama will probably be a one term President. I think anyone in that sitation would be screwed - Obama or McCain.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

swamp dog won this thread.

And it wasn't even close.

 

 

[Lackman 0]

swamp dog won this thread.

And it wasn't even close.

 

swamp dog wins as often as his Detroit Lions.