jocstrap 8 Posted June 9, 2014 but here is one thing for sure Gettnhuge FEDERER=NADAL>>>WOODS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted July 2, 2015 Someone told him it would be a clay court tourney Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted September 5, 2015 Bumping tennis threads has to be a crime right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,725 Posted June 10, 2019 Feds - 20 (37 years old) Nads - 18 (33 years old) Joker - 15 (32 years old) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,562 Posted June 10, 2019 Ya know what I like about Nadal? He never quits Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,993 Posted June 10, 2019 I don't care who you are - to win a major 12 focking times? Wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted June 10, 2019 Just now, Cruzer said: I don't care who you are - to win a major 12 focking times? Wow. Far and away the best clay player ever. And he's going to get so many on that surface that he may just surpass Federer. Federer is still the best ever, all around. But the clay ones count too, so Nedal may just end up on top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted June 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cruzer said: I don't care who you are - to win a major 12 focking times? Wow. Best on clay of all time. You have a net worth of a couple hundred million for specializing on the clay court, not a bad life decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,579 Posted June 10, 2019 A reason why Feds is overrated in thr Tiger Feds thread. 2 other guys basically matched his major total in and just after his run. Like Ive said, in tennis is is much easier for the best to win. Feds is great obviously. But all ive heard is just how crazy his run was. How cam it be that crazy when 2 others basically matched him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted June 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: A reason why Feds is overrated in thr Tiger Feds thread. 2 other guys basically matched his major total in and just after his run. Like Ive said, in tennis is is much easier for the best to win. Feds is great obviously. But all ive heard is just how crazy his run was. How cam it be that crazy when 2 others basically matched him? Just because 2 guys are great at the same time, it doesn't diminish one of them to being "just really good". Federer is an all time great. he has like 20 grand slam victories. I didn't look it up but the 10 or so he lost are probably to Nadal on clay in the finals. How many majors has Woods won? 15? Seems Federer had greater competition than Woods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,579 Posted June 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, sderk said: Just because 2 guys are great at the same time, it doesn't diminish one of them to being "just really good". Federer is an all time great. he has like 20 grand slam victories. I didn't look it up but the 10 or so he lost are probably to Nadal on clay in the finals. How many majors has Woods won? 15? Seems Federer had greater competition than Woods. Didnt say he wasnt an all time great tennis player. Hes the best tennis player. But when 2 others do similar things it shows that it is easier for the top players to win. The cream rises to the top much easier in that format. Feds has a losing record to both Nadal and joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,147 Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, The Observer said: Far and away the best clay player ever. And he's going to get so many on that surface that he may just surpass Federer. Federer is still the best ever, all around. But the clay ones count too, so Nedal may just end up on top. I don't think we should count the surface against Nadal...we don't against Tiger and he's won all of his on the same surface. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted June 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Didnt say he wasnt an all time great tennis player. Hes the best tennis player. But when 2 others do similar things it shows that it is easier for the top players to win. The cream rises to the top much easier in that format. Feds has a losing record to both Nadal and joke. Does he have a losing record to Nedal if you take away the matches on clay? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: I don't think we should count the surface against Nadal...we don't against Tiger and he's won all of his on the same surface. I'm not holding it against him. His dominance on clay is one of the most impressive feats in all of sports. I think he's a top 5 all-time player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,315 Posted June 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Observer said: Does he have a losing record to Nedal if you take away the matches on clay? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federer–Nadal_rivalry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted June 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, posty said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federer–Nadal_rivalry So Federer is 13-10 against him on non-clay. Closer than I thought, but still the edge to Federer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted June 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Didnt say he wasnt an all time great tennis player. Hes the best tennis player. But when 2 others do similar things it shows that it is easier for the top players to win. The cream rises to the top much easier in that format. Feds has a losing record to both Nadal and joke. In majors, Federer has won a record eight Wimbledon titles, six Australian Open titles, five US Open titles (all consecutive, a record), and one French Open title. He is one of eight men to have achieved a Career Grand Slam. Dude is still competing at the top level in a sport that often times burns players out in relatively short periods of time. I think his first singles grand slam was in 2003. 16 years at the highest level in tennis is a very different than 15 or so years playing a game where John Daly could win tournaments while smoking Marlborough Reds. With that many years under his belt, off course he is going to get beat from time to time. Even the Patriots lose ever other year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,725 Posted June 11, 2019 19 hours ago, kutulu said: Ya know what I like about Nadal? He never quits https://www.google.com/search?q=nadal+withdraws&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS838US838&oq=nadal+with&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4821j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,562 Posted June 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, edjr said: https://www.google.com/search?q=nadal+withdraws&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS838US838&oq=nadal+with&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4821j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Come on e, the DNDL was your creation... Would not be the same without you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,579 Posted June 11, 2019 18 hours ago, sderk said: In majors, Federer has won a record eight Wimbledon titles, six Australian Open titles, five US Open titles (all consecutive, a record), and one French Open title. He is one of eight men to have achieved a Career Grand Slam. Dude is still competing at the top level in a sport that often times burns players out in relatively short periods of time. I think his first singles grand slam was in 2003. 16 years at the highest level in tennis is a very different than 15 or so years playing a game where John Daly could win tournaments while smoking Marlborough Reds. With that many years under his belt, off course he is going to get beat from time to time. Even the Patriots lose ever other year. Hes great. But ive always heard tennis is a youngans game. Tell that to Nadal and Serena. Old players are winning these days. Im just saying he has peers. Tiger didnt. Tennis has always been dominated my 1 or 2 players each era. There isnt parity in tennis. Format doesnt allow it. How many titles Serena have? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,993 Posted June 11, 2019 Not saying one way or the other, mostly bcoz it doesn't matter to me...... But these are some interesting stats. (from Wiki) "They have played each other 39 times. Their most recent encounter was in the semifinal of the 2019 French Open. Nadal leads the head to head 24–15. Nadal leads 14–10 in finals. Of these matches, 13 have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 10–3.[18][19] Nadal leads 6–0 at the French Open and 3–1 at the Australian Open, while Federer leads 2–1 at Wimbledon. The two have yet to meet in the US Open." "Of their 39 matches, 20 have been on hard court (14 of them in outdoor hard court and 6 on indoor hard court), 16 have been on clay, and 3 have been on grass. Nadal leads both on clay (14–2) and outdoor hard court (8–6), while Federer has the edge on indoor hard court (5–1) and grass (2–1)." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted June 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Hes great. But ive always heard tennis is a youngans game. Tell that to Nadal and Serena. Old players are winning these days. Im just saying he has peers. Tiger didnt. Tennis has always been dominated my 1 or 2 players each era. There isnt parity in tennis. Format doesnt allow it. How many titles Serena have? Woods had a crazy 5-6 years where he won 10 of his 15 championships. That sets him apart. Not the rest of his career. The rest of his career, He's Mickelson. Which aint that bad either. In the majors, for that the same time frame, they are about equal in top 10 finishes. I think it's 41-38 Woods. But the victories are lopsided in Woods favor. I think their career earnings are about +20 million in favor of Woods as well. But I guess once you hit 90 million, like Mickelson has, why bother counting anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted June 11, 2019 It's hard to even imagine how many slam titles either Federer or Nadal would have if they weren't playing at the same time. Federer could easily have 6 of those French Open titles if he wasn't playing in the era of the best clay court player in tennis history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,579 Posted June 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, The Observer said: It's hard to even imagine how many slam titles either Federer or Nadal would have if they weren't playing at the same time. Federer could easily have 6 of those French Open titles if he wasn't playing in the era of the best clay court player in tennis history. Yea he would have more for sure if you take one of the 3 players with a chance to win, out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,725 Posted June 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Yea he would have more for sure if you take one of the 3 greatest players out. yup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,579 Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, edjr said: yup Those 3 have won the last 10 majors. 15 out of the last 18. Just doesnt happen in golf. The field is much tougher. The win rate isnt the same for great players. Serena has like 25. Feds 20. Badal 18. Joke 15. They are like a dime a dozen in tennis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,725 Posted June 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Those 3 have won the last 10 majors. 15 out of the last 18. Just doesnt happen in golf. The field is much tougher. The win rate isnt the same for great players. Serena has like 25. Feds 20. Badal 18. Joke 15. They are like a dime a dozen in tennis. You're making my point. Anyone can win in golf, it's not that hard. it's near impossible to win in Tennis unless you're one of the goats 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,912 Posted June 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Those 3 have won the last 10 majors. 15 out of the last 18. Just doesnt happen in golf. The field is much tougher. The win rate isnt the same for great players. Serena has like 25. Feds 20. Badal 18. Joke 15. They are like a dime a dozen in tennis. You're comparing a sport to a hobby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,912 Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, edjr said: You're making my point. Anyone can win in golf, it's not that hard. it's near impossible to win in Tennis unless you're one of the goats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted June 11, 2019 53 minutes ago, edjr said: You're making my point. Anyone can win in golf, it's not that hard. it's near impossible to win in Tennis unless you're one of the goats This. To stay on top in tennis, you have to maintain top physical condition. In golf, you could gain 25 pounds and not lose a stroke off your game. Your comparing one of the most physically demanding sports there is with something 70 year-olds do at country clubs to relax. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,725 Posted June 11, 2019 Look at all the hacks on this list. Major winners since 2002 183 United States Rich Beem 2002 PGA Championship 1 2002 184 Canada Mike Weir 2003 Masters Tournament 1 2003 185 United States Jim Furyk 2003 U.S. Open 1 2003 186 United States Ben Curtis 2003 The Open Championship 1 2003 187 United States Shaun Micheel 2003 PGA Championship 1 2003 188 United States Phil Mickelson 2004 Masters Tournament 5 2004, 2006, 2010 2013 2005 189 United States Todd Hamilton 2004 The Open Championship 1 2004 190 New Zealand Michael Campbell 2005 U.S. Open 1 2005 191 Australia Geoff Ogilvy 2006 U.S. Open 1 2006 192 United States Zach Johnson 2007 Masters Tournament 2 2007 2015 193 Argentina Ángel Cabrera 2007 U.S. Open 2 2009 2007 194 Republic of Ireland Pádraig Harrington 2007 The Open Championship 3 2007, 2008 2008 195 South Africa Trevor Immelman 2008 Masters Tournament 1 2008 196 United States Lucas Glover 2009 U.S. Open 1 2009 197 United States Stewart Cink 2009 The Open Championship 1 2009 198 South Korea Yang Yong-eun 2009 PGA Championship 1 2009 199 Northern Ireland Graeme McDowell 2010 U.S. Open 1 2010 200 South Africa Louis Oosthuizen 2010 The Open Championship 1 2010 201 Germany Martin Kaymer 2010 PGA Championship 2 2014 2010 202 South Africa Charl Schwartzel 2011 Masters Tournament 1 2011 203 Northern Ireland Rory McIlroy 2011 U.S. Open 4 2011 2014 2012, 2014 204 Northern Ireland Darren Clarke 2011 The Open Championship 1 2011 205 United States Keegan Bradley 2011 PGA Championship 1 2011 206 United States Bubba Watson 2012 Masters Tournament 2 2012, 2014 207 United States Webb Simpson 2012 U.S. Open 1 2012 208 Australia Adam Scott 2013 Masters Tournament 1 2013 209 England Justin Rose 2013 U.S. Open 1 2013 210 United States Jason Dufner 2013 PGA Championship 1 2013 211 United States Jordan Spieth 2015 Masters Tournament 3 2015 2015 2017 212 Australia Jason Day 2015 PGA Championship 1 2015 213 England Danny Willett 2016 Masters Tournament 1 2016 214 United States Dustin Johnson 2016 U.S. Open 1 2016 215 Sweden Henrik Stenson 2016 The Open Championship 1 2016 216 United States Jimmy Walker 2016 PGA Championship 1 2016 217 Spain Sergio García 2017 Masters Tournament 1 2017 218 United States Brooks Koepka 2017 U.S. Open 4 2017, 2018 2018, 2019 219 United States Justin Thomas 2017 PGA Championship 1 2017 220 United States Patrick Reed 2018 Masters Tournament 1 2018 221 Italy Francesco Molinari 2018 The Open Championship 1 2018 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted June 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, edjr said: Look at all the hacks on this list. Major winners since 2002 183 United States Rich Beem 2002 PGA Championship 1 2002 184 Canada Mike Weir 2003 Masters Tournament 1 2003 185 United States Jim Furyk 2003 U.S. Open 1 2003 186 United States Ben Curtis 2003 The Open Championship 1 2003 187 United States Shaun Micheel 2003 PGA Championship 1 2003 188 United States Phil Mickelson 2004 Masters Tournament 5 2004, 2006, 2010 2013 2005 189 United States Todd Hamilton 2004 The Open Championship 1 2004 190 New Zealand Michael Campbell 2005 U.S. Open 1 2005 191 Australia Geoff Ogilvy 2006 U.S. Open 1 2006 192 United States Zach Johnson 2007 Masters Tournament 2 2007 2015 193 Argentina Ángel Cabrera 2007 U.S. Open 2 2009 2007 194 Republic of Ireland Pádraig Harrington 2007 The Open Championship 3 2007, 2008 2008 195 South Africa Trevor Immelman 2008 Masters Tournament 1 2008 196 United States Lucas Glover 2009 U.S. Open 1 2009 197 United States Stewart Cink 2009 The Open Championship 1 2009 198 South Korea Yang Yong-eun 2009 PGA Championship 1 2009 199 Northern Ireland Graeme McDowell 2010 U.S. Open 1 2010 200 South Africa Louis Oosthuizen 2010 The Open Championship 1 2010 201 Germany Martin Kaymer 2010 PGA Championship 2 2014 2010 202 South Africa Charl Schwartzel 2011 Masters Tournament 1 2011 203 Northern Ireland Rory McIlroy 2011 U.S. Open 4 2011 2014 2012, 2014 204 Northern Ireland Darren Clarke 2011 The Open Championship 1 2011 205 United States Keegan Bradley 2011 PGA Championship 1 2011 206 United States Bubba Watson 2012 Masters Tournament 2 2012, 2014 207 United States Webb Simpson 2012 U.S. Open 1 2012 208 Australia Adam Scott 2013 Masters Tournament 1 2013 209 England Justin Rose 2013 U.S. Open 1 2013 210 United States Jason Dufner 2013 PGA Championship 1 2013 211 United States Jordan Spieth 2015 Masters Tournament 3 2015 2015 2017 212 Australia Jason Day 2015 PGA Championship 1 2015 213 England Danny Willett 2016 Masters Tournament 1 2016 214 United States Dustin Johnson 2016 U.S. Open 1 2016 215 Sweden Henrik Stenson 2016 The Open Championship 1 2016 216 United States Jimmy Walker 2016 PGA Championship 1 2016 217 Spain Sergio García 2017 Masters Tournament 1 2017 218 United States Brooks Koepka 2017 U.S. Open 4 2017, 2018 2018, 2019 219 United States Justin Thomas 2017 PGA Championship 1 2017 220 United States Patrick Reed 2018 Masters Tournament 1 2018 221 Italy Francesco Molinari 2018 The Open Championship 1 2018 And Woods lost to mostly all of them at one point or another. You generally don't see Federer or Nadal losing to so many different players that come out of the blue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,725 Posted June 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, sderk said: And Woods lost to mostly all of them at one point or another. You generally don't see Federer or Nadal losing to so many different players that come out of the blue. Rich Beem When did Federer lose to a guy that couldn't run 1/2 a mile without fainting, with 3 career wins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,993 Posted June 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, sderk said: And Woods lost to mostly all of them at one point or another. You generally don't see Federer or Nadal losing to so many different players that come out of the blue. True. Then again, the French had 128 in the field. The winner faced 7 of them, 5% by the numbers. Woods faced 100% of the field in each of his contests...If he were given 5 cupcakes and then only had to beat 2 top contenders each major, he might have 30 (maybe more) by now.......... Just food for thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,579 Posted June 11, 2019 4 hours ago, edjr said: You're making my point. Anyone can win in golf, it's not that hard. it's near impossible to win in Tennis unless you're one of the goats You are confused in thinking im arguing that Feds isnt one of the GOATs.....actually said he was the best tennis player. Anyone can win in golf makes standing out like Tiger did that much harder. You are actually making my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,579 Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Cruzer said: True. Then again, the French had 128 in the field. The winner faced 7 of them, 5% by the numbers. Woods faced 100% of the field in each of his contests...If he were given 5 cupcakes and then only had to beat 2 top contenders each major, he might have 30 (maybe more) by now.......... Just food for thought. Yeah I honestly dont understand why people neglect math. Or the format. Im fine with having a debate about the subject but can we at least use simple math and logic about the 2 formats? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites