Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[OldMaid 2,135]

 

True... my friend has a theory that Jaime and Cersei are truly Targs... along with Jon Snow... he thinks that Jaime will kill off Cersei when Dany comes to town... thus the 'three headed dragon' will be Dany, Jaime, and Jon Snow... he says there is evidence in what Selmy says to dany in the 5th book. There was one thing in a FFC where Jaime's aunt says something 'i told tywin that you are not his son... tyrion is' At the time i took it to mean there mental accuity and such... now i'm not so sure... oh well... now we wait

 

 

I actually remember that exact passage. Jamie is talking to his Aunt Gemma:

"Jaime, sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna's breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg and there's some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak...but Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you. I said so once to your father's face, and he would not speak to me for half a year."

 

I still think that's too much of a stretch... There can't be suddenly a bunch of Targaryen's running around- that would be horrific on Martin's part.

 

[TD Ryan2 316]

The leeches Melisandre burned were for Joffrey, Robb Stark, and Baylon Greyjoy. One down, two to go?

exactly - I don't see any purpose in Theon's endless torture scenes if something more doesn't come of it (i.e. Baylon's death.)

And it seems too good/juicy/obvious that Joff dies.

[redtodd 7]

"It should have been you Jon." 'Nuff said.

 

As shocking as I found the Red Wedding, I wasn't nearly as shocked, or upset, as when Ned lost his head. That was a total "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!" moment for me.

 

I don't think I have ever been more shocked reading a book than when Ned lost his head. I had started the HBO show, but then decided to read the books after two episodes. I quickly caught up and I would read about a 100 pages, then watch an episode (which was about a 100 pages). When they cut his head off in the book, I was stunned but wondered whether it was someone that looked like Ned and Arya saw it from a distance. I immediately watched the episodes and found out, Yep...they cut the main guy's head off.

[Big Blue 06 196]

The leeches Melisandre burned were for Joffrey, Robb Stark, and Baylon Greyjoy. One down, two to go?

 

I don't know, but I've been rooting around in the dirt outside for the last three days looking for leeches to name after walder Frey.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

I don't know, but I've been rooting around in the dirt outside for the last three days looking for leeches to name after walder Frey.

Only the fire lady can do that. Have you ever spewed a demon from your crotch?

[rallo 138]

 

I actually remember that exact passage. Jamie is talking to his Aunt Gemma:

"Jaime, sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna's breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg and there's some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak...but Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you. I said so once to your father's face, and he would not speak to me for half a year."

 

I still think that's too much of a stretch... There can't be suddenly a bunch of Targaryen's running around- that would be horrific on Martin's part.

 

 

I don't buy it either, as even in the direct passage she says how he is like all of his relatives... just not like his father... i DO think that the 'younger queen' who will take all the is dear' to Cersei will be Denarys and not Margary... meaning i think Margary is one of the next 'mainish' characters to go... but i still need to keep reading... like i said... haven't started book 5 yet.

 

[Big Blue 06 196]

Only the fire lady can do that. Have you ever spewed a demon from your crotch?

Don't ask a question that you don't want the answer to. Let's just say that there was one time, and I loved a woman who wasn't clean.

[ArnieBragg 2]

Grey Wind's head mounted on Robb's body gave me chills. New it may be coming since I read the books but damn that was a good scene.

[Big Blue 06 196]

I have to say that this finale was a bit of a snooze. In fact, I really didn't enjoy that at all.

[MedStudent 56]

Nice first kill!!

 

I wasn't expecting much out of this except setting everything up for next season.

 

I don't know why the lannisters don't just kill Joffrey themselves. Let the little brother be king.

[OldMaid 2,135]

Nice first kill!!

I wasn't expecting much out of this except setting everything up for next season.

I don't know why the lannisters don't just kill Joffrey themselves. Let the little brother be king.

Technically, it was the first time she's killed a man , but she did kill a stable boy in Kingslanding with Needle.

[The Moz 71]

Wait a whole year for Part 2 of book 3

[The Moz 71]

I have to say that this finale was a bit of a snooze. In fact, I really didn't enjoy that at all.

Agree -- way too little Tyrion and Dany time. The Tyrion scenes were good but damn they gave Dany like maybe 1 minute of screen time at the very end.

[parrot 790]

I wasn't expecting to get a chill scene from Asha... er, Yara... Greyjoy.

[MedStudent 56]

Agree -- way too little Tyrion and Dany time. The Tyrion scenes were good but damn they gave Dany like maybe 1 minute of screen time at the very end.

Yeah, I was expecting a lannister/dany heavy show with less Starks after the last episode.

 

The scene where where Joffrey was sent to bed was pretty great.

[TD Ryan2 316]

so Thrones has mastered (and invented?) the whole - second to last episode as the finale, and it works. They've done it each season now with Ep. 9 as the climax and Ep. 10 the start of another crescendo.

Nothing was going to outdo last week's Red Wedding, this week's episode was near perfect in setting up for a return next season.

 

Arya / Hound

enough about GRRM not giving us what we want - we're getting it here with these 2 vigilantes.If we are honest with ourselves, we don't want Arya happilly returned to her family - we want her to become a faceless, silent killer - we want her to live out that vigilante fantasy as the one person who can ride thru Westeros and dole out death and judgement where we so desperately need it. And the dynamic The Hound brings to it is perfect. He's a loner now too and his alliance allow Arya the safety net she needs and perhaps more training until she's truly self-sufficient.

 

 

Theon "Reek" Greyjoy

I'm guessing this, "Reek" thing has legs and Theon, like Arya, is being destroyed only so that he can come back as something we will at least respect and possibly admire and fear. The reality is, Theon's had no identity to this point, and that was his downfall. He literally did not know who he was or who he should fight for - I'm certain this will all change once his sister rescues him - and maybe his sister is somehow lost in the battle and Theon returns to the Iron Isle as the sole heir with bigger b@lls and some Ned Stark honor to redeem himself.

 

The Lannisters

yeah, I lump them all in here because Tywin has cast the umbrella of "duty" over them all. Tywin's comment about what makes a good man is his duty to his family is fascinating - it's a struggle every father has and faces - how hard to push and keep your kids on the straight path vs. letting them aimlessly and wrecklessly go in their own direction? Tywin clearly has chosen an iron fisted grasp over his children and "duty", and like so many families raised this way, The Lannisters are wealthy, powerful, miserable, and dysfunctional. This whole family philosophy is the single greatest source of empathy and sympathy for Cersei - who is otherwise unforgivable - and it carries thru all the Lannisters even though Jaimie and Tyrion have redeeming qualities on their own.

Also nice to see Joffrey finally losing power. We've know it's Tywin in charge all along, but now it's official and it will empower Tyrion even more against his twisted nephew.

 

Stannis

he's just as guilty of hiding behind the "honor / duty" philosophy that Tywin clings to - and he's just as miserable. Stannis knows Mellisandre is wrong and rotten - but he buys in out of duty. Oh yeah - take note of his sweet daughter locked away too - Stannis and Tywin have locked their kids up because of "duty" to their family This is why we love Davos and Tyrion- they are the voices of humanity that sing the truth over duty and honor - Stannis and Tywin are the CEOs following "fiduciary responsibilities" to justify credit default swaps with Davos and Tyrion pushing back because it's simply wrong and you don't need to be a CEO or a King to see it.

 

The North - Jon/Bran/Sam

​Look, it's just plain annoying that they didn't all meet up and discuss all that's happening. Seems like Jon and Sam are going to be running the Knight's Watch from here and they inevitably find and team up with Bran. Ygritte? I kinda' don't care - If Jon's gonna' be King Crow, he can't have her anyway.

 

Varys / Shea

What a terrific scene. Big respect to both characters - Varys for his empathetic analysis of the situation and cold, cunning solution to it; Shea for her loyalty to Tyrion and her honesty about it. Varys is the one guy who understands the "duty" and "humanity" angles of everything here and it's why he's navigated the currents so well.

 

Dany

Yeah, cool final scene with the crowd surfing and "Mother" chanting. If Jesus was a chick born in Westeros... he'd be Dany. Dany is the elite hero right now because she combined duty with humanity - as in her duty IS humanity - and it is pure and embraceable. Gotta' think "dragons" will have something to do with manufacturing, "dragon glass" and we're gonna' need a lot of it soon.

 

Roose Bolton / Walder Frey

I have to believe they're being set up as "bad guy" fodder to feed the hungry audience. Both have done enough damage to be "bad guys" but you could wipe them out and not settle the turmoil that drives the story-engine. There's been enough foreshadowing of their deaths with leeches and Brans's ghost stories about killing a man under your roof.

[MedStudent 56]

 

Dany

Yeah, cool final scene with the crowd surfing and "Mother" chanting. If Jesus was a chick born in Westeros... he'd be Dany. Dany is the elite hero right now because she combined duty with humanity - as in her duty IS humanity - and it is pure and embraceable. Gotta' think "dragons" will have something to do with manufacturing, "dragon glass" and we're gonna' need a lot of it soon.

 

That Maester Aemon is a Targaryan, so I am curious how the night watch interact with Dany. Will the Starks end up in alliance with Targaryan after they battle the white walkers? Will it be everyone together in a grand alliance against the White Walkers? Will Bran be able to control the Dragons? Will I lose my sanity waiting for season 4?

[parrot 790]

 

That Maester Aemon is a Targaryan, so I am curious how the night watch interact with Dany. Will the Starks end up in alliance with Targaryan after they battle the white walkers? Will it be everyone together in a grand alliance against the White Walkers? Will Bran be able to control the Dragons? Will I lose my sanity waiting for season 4?

 

Yeah, I can't wait to see how all this plays out next season.

[TD Ryan2 316]

just more things I'm thinking about:

 

1. The Wall and War

The show didn't make a big enough deal of all the ravens flying south from the wall to announce that armies are needed up north. This should be a big deal - all of Westeros is supposed to drop what they're doing and go North to fight, no? Seems like Stannis is the only one going?

 

2. Jaimie / Brienne

There's clearly a romance there but is it over now that Jamie is back in Kings Landing with Cersei?

 

3. Good Point MedStudent

Can Bran control the dragons? how about Mellisandre? Is Bran's power quietly, subtlety the most powerful?

 

4. The BlackFish escaped.

They made is clear - the basically trumpeted it. Some of you book readers love The BlackFish - so that's gotta' mean we're in for something bigger/more with him. The little bit we've seen of him is cool, but not enough for the kind of love you all show him.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

 

Yeah, I can't wait to see how all this plays out next season.

 

Yeah... don't hold your breath. Things don't ever seem to 'play out'. More like ebb and flow. I don't think any real questions will be answered until season 63.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

Yeah... don't hold your breath. Things don't ever seem to 'play out'. More like ebb and flow. I don't think any real questions will be answered until season 63.

 

you're acting like this is the Sopranos or something.

What are your particular issues with "loose ends" at this point?

[parrot 790]

 

Yeah... don't hold your breath. Things don't ever seem to 'play out'. More like ebb and flow. I don't think any real questions will be answered until season 63.

 

That was a little inside joke for readers there.

[OldMaid 2,135]

Ratings are in:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-game-thrones-finale-565615

[Quickolas1 80]

2. Jaimie / Brienne

There's clearly a romance there but is it over now that Jamie is back in Kings Landing with Cersei?

 

respectfully disagree. romance? no. respect that would have never happened had they not been thrown together? yes.

 

almost this entire episode was re-written for TV including arya with the band of Freys and Ygritte wounding Jon.

I'm not sure why they are adding these things. They aren't necessary.

 

Neither was Melisandre's leech/fire earlier.

[Bill E. 703]

One thing I did not get from ep 9. When the Wolves went after the wildlings, why did Jon not recognize them as his brother's pets?

[mobb_deep 920]

About to start watching this. Excited to actually be able to read and contribute to this thread.

[CantTouchThis 23]

One thing I did not get from ep 9. When the Wolves went after the wildlings, why did Jon not recognize them as his brother's pets?

 

I think this is a very minor plot hole. Or maybe he did but was too focused on getting out of there to really do anything about it.

 

After the last episode, and how the first 2 seasons went, you should of expected a much calmer finale that leads into the next season. Remember that this is only half of the book, and only halfway through this part of the journey.

 

Arya's first kill was epic. She'll be able to pull that innocent, lost girl stunt her whole life.

 

I agree that there is no romance between Jaime and Brianne, they just formed a mutual respect for one another.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I enjoyed this week's episode quite a bit. More than last week, actually.

 

And is it wrong that I am kinda sorta starting to like Tywin Lannister? He believes that what he is doing is noble. You gotta give him that much.

 

The Joffrey scene was focking excellent. I'm not tired!!!

 

I wish Tyrion's wh0re had listened to Varys and left. I don't like her and she does weaken the Halfman.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Cersei seemed a little put off by Jaime's missing hand. That would be a shock to anyone, to be fair. Still, I'm wondering if we might have a Cersie/Jaime split.

[OldMaid 2,135]

I enjoyed this week's episode quite a bit. More than last week, actually.

 

And is it wrong that I am kinda sorta starting to like Tywin Lannister? He believes that what he is doing is noble. You gotta give him that much.

 

The Joffrey scene was focking excellent. I'm not tired!!!

 

I wish Tyrion's wh0re had listened to Varys and left. I don't like her and she does weaken the Halfman.

I completely understand. He may be a hardass... but you don't get where he's gotten in life without making those kind of tough decisions. Is there a price to pay for that, though? Absolutely. But he's not entirely a bad man.

[Quickolas1 80]

I think this is a very minor plot hole. Or maybe he did but was too focused on getting out of there to really do anything about it.

 

Yeah it's not like he'd stop in the middle of fighting and say out loud: "hey look, it's Bran & Rickon's direwolves..."

 

Everyone heard about what Theon did to Bran & Rickon. i.e. no one knows the truth. So it makes sense their wolves are roaming around on their own in the North.

Arya's direwolf is out there someone in the wild as well. Arya made her wolf leave so Robert Baratheon (to appease Joffey) had Sansa's wolf killed instead in season 1.

 

Sam can enlighten him as to why he saw their direwolves so close.

[OldMaid 2,135]

Yeah it's not like he'd stop in the middle of fighting and say out loud: "hey look, it's Bran & Rickon's direwolves..."

 

Everyone heard about what Theon did to Bran & Rickon. i.e. no one knows the truth. So it makes sense their wolves are roaming around on their own in the North.

Arya's direwolf is out there someone in the wild as well. Arya made her wolf leave so Robert Baratheon (to appease Joffey) had Sansa's wolf killed instead in season 1.

 

Jon back at Castle Black will hear about the Red Wedding. And Tyrion's marriage. And Sam can enlighten him as to why he saw their direwolves so close.

 

Jon still doesn't know that Bran and Rickon are alive. Remember Bran made him promise not to tell.

 

[CantTouchThis 23]

Cersei seemed a little put off by Jaime's missing hand. That would be a shock to anyone, to be fair. Still, I'm wondering if we might have a Cersie/Jaime split.

 

I was thinking something like that, mainly because Jaime's hardships has made him into a different person. Maybe he realizes how wrong him and her have been and they will just be family from now on.

 

I wonder if he can get a sword fassen to his arm ala Merle.

[swirvenirvin 25]

So I just watched the first two season over the past 5 days or so, and I have to say the Starks are not only dumb, but they pretty much get their ass kicked all over the place. Also does anyone ever focking die?

[Bill E. 703]

 

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That's true, I forgot about that.

[CantTouchThis 23]

So I just watched the first two season over the past 5 days or so, and I have to say the Starks are not only dumb, but they pretty much get their ass kicked all over the place. Also does anyone ever focking die?

 

You mean other than the main character and around 10,000 others in "Blackwater" alone?

 

 

 

Yes, lots of people die, and you will cry yourself to sleep at some point

 

[swirvenirvin 25]

 

You mean other than the main character and around 10,000 others in "Blackwater" alone?

 

 

 

Yes, lots of people die, and you will cry yourself to sleep at some point

 

There are 6 armies going against each other, of course people are going to die. There are also 25+ main characters, a few of them should die more often. I think 1 died in season 2?

 

The starks all deserve to die they are morons except Abya or whatever he name is

 

Snow is an idiot () who won't have sex or kill a girl.

The eldest daughter should have killed Joffrey long time ago

Idiot wife let jamie go

Idiot oldest son makes arrangement for marriage to get troops and bridge access then marries some other chick

Youngest kid who can't walk meh

Younger one meh

Then the cool youngest girl

 

If anyone of them die in season 3 besides the criple and Abya or whatever then meh

[IGotWorms 4,063]

There are 6 armies going against each other, of course people are going to die. There are also 25+ main characters, a few of them should die more often. I think 1 died in season 2?

 

The starks all deserve to die they are morons except Abya or whatever he name is

 

Snow is an idiot () who won't have sex or kill a girl.

The eldest daughter should have killed Joffrey long time ago

Idiot wife let jamie go

Idiot oldest son makes arrangement for marriage to get troops and bridge access then marries some other chick

Youngest kid who can't walk meh

Younger one meh

Then the cool youngest girl

 

If anyone of them die in season 3 besides the criple and Abya or whatever then meh

Keep watching. And for God's sake, don't read this thread 'til you're caught up.

[CantTouchThis 23]

There are 6 armies going against each other, of course people are going to die. There are also 25+ main characters, a few of them should die more often. I think 1 died in season 2?

 

The starks all deserve to die they are morons except Abya or whatever he name is

 

Snow is an idiot () who won't have sex or kill a girl.

The eldest daughter should have killed Joffrey long time ago

Idiot wife let jamie go

Idiot oldest son makes arrangement for marriage to get troops and bridge access then marries some other chick

Youngest kid who can't walk meh

Younger one meh

Then the cool youngest girl

 

If anyone of them die in season 3 besides the criple and Abya or whatever then meh

 

*Arya. And the MAIN CHARACTER died at the end of season 1 dude, in Ned Stark. It's considered one of the more shocking moments in TV history.

 

BTW, you are right about the Starks, and it's because they are big on honor and others like the Lannisters are not. Evil conquers good most of the time in this show...for now.

 

And if you think there were a lot of characters and storylines at the end of season 2, just wait. It's pretty much infinite by the end of season 3.

[Savage Beast 1]

 

 

BTW, you are right about the Starks, and it's because they are big on honor and others like the Lannisters are not. Evil conquers good most of the time in this show...for now.

 

 

 

I think Game Of Thrones doesn't have good or evil characters at all in a wodden sense. Everybody who wants to be king and have their families rule the kingdoms is evil in their own way. because they have to war against and kill everybody else who wants the same. So it depends on which family you like best as to who you see as the good guys. My favorite characters are the Lannister Imp and the mother of dragonsl. So I see the mother of dragons as the good guy, and the one I want to rule the lands and the Iron Throne.