Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

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I read that the show runners said that scene wasn't supposed to be rape. Uh, what the hell would you call it then? Jeez this ain't the 50s anymore fellas

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I read that the show runners said that scene wasn't supposed to be rape. Uh, what the hell would you call it then? Jeez this ain't the 50s anymore fellas

I think it was editing mostly. The original script fleshes it out a little bit.

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That....was not in the books. Dare I say that last bit was a little taste of Winds of Winter? I'm assuming that was the Lands of Always Winter.

 

Everything happening at and beyond the wall is completely different than the books. I suppose it makes it more interesting for people who have read the books, but then again we should have had an entertaining battle by now.

 

Should be intriguing to see where they are going with it. I don't think we have seen Craster's Keep in the books since the mutiny. Hmmmm, I dunno what I think about it yet. Maybe they are trying to drag out the rest of the story-lines so the show doesn't catch up with the books?

 

That being said, they are moving wayyyyyy too slow, the past 2 episodes were filler and they added a weird storyline with Craster's Keep. From the Red Wedding until the end of the third book, it's pure chaos and other than the Purple Wedding, they have barely scratched the surface. Every episode from here on out should be action packed. Should be. Not having Prince Oberyn in an episode this season is a tragedy.

[OldMaid 2,130]

That....was not in the books. Dare I say that last bit was a little taste of Winds of Winter? I'm assuming that was the Lands of Always Winter.

 

Everything happening at and beyond the wall is completely different than the books. I suppose it makes it more interesting for people who have read the books, but then again we should have had an entertaining battle by now.

 

Should be intriguing to see where they are going with it. I don't think we have seen Craster's Keep in the books since the mutiny. Hmmmm, I dunno what I think about it yet. Maybe they are trying to drag out the rest of the story-lines so the show doesn't catch up with the books?

 

That being said, they are moving wayyyyyy too slow, the past 2 episodes were filler and they added a weird storyline with Craster's Keep. From the Red Wedding until the end of the third book, it's pure chaos and other than the Purple Wedding, they have barely scratched the surface. Every episode from here on out should be action packed. Should be. Not having Prince Oberyn in an episode this season is a tragedy.

I'm kinda digging it. It's sorta nice not knowing what's going to happen.

 

My best guess is that it's "filler" for Bran's story line. They're rapidly approaching where he end's up in book 5... and they need to buy some time.

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I'm kinda digging it. It's sorta nice not knowing what's going to happen.

 

My best guess is that it's "filler" for Bran's story line. They're rapidly approaching where he end's up in book 5... and they need to buy some time.

 

Yep, I agree. The whole Locke thing is interesting too. So far so good.

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Yep, I agree. The whole Locke thing is interesting too. So far so good.

I'm still pissy that he's Locke and not Vargo Hoat.

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I'm still pissy that he's Locke and not Vargo Hoat.

 

Meh, I think his character makes more sense with what the producers are doing, if that makes sense. I think the whole Brave Companions were cut out, like a lot of characters in Dany's camp. So, they basically toned down a lot of the colorful and flamboyant characters. I imagine that casting for those characters proved too difficult.

 

 

So, it doesn't look like we are getting the first wildling attack on the wall? For a while at least, where Ygritte dies. Plus we still have the pre-battle right when Manse first shows up, and the battle when Stannis shows up. At this pace, and adding the Craster's Keep storyline, the season will probably end with Manse ready to attack the wall and next season will be when Stannis swoops in.

 

 

So, basically, none of us have any idea on how The Wall is going to play out this season. I won't be happy if they skip some of the main events, but it looks like they are just delaying them. If that's the case, I'm cool with it for sure. One of my questions after reading the books was what is going on with the dudes at Craster's Keep? This will be the first time the show will address something before the books. Plus we got to see the WAY far north for the first time. We'll also get to see Jon Snow in more fight scenes.

 

 

Do you think where Summer fell into was a passage to the Children of the Forest layer?

 

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I'm kinda digging it. It's sorta nice not knowing what's going to happen.

 

My best guess is that it's "filler" for Bran's story line. They're rapidly approaching where he end's up in book 5... and they need to buy some time.

 

bingo. I never believed we were really going into books 4/5 this season.

Bran's storyline was throwing me since it appeared to be the only one advancing more quickly into further books.

now it makes sense (adding content to his story).

[OldMaid 2,130]

bingo. I never believed we were really going into books 4/5 this season.

Bran's storyline was throwing me since it appeared to be the only one advancing more quickly into further books.

now it makes sense (adding content to his story).

Bran's storyline doesn't have as many chapters in the books. But if the show was to follow that route, no one would remember who he was by the time they got back around to him.

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Littlefinger... WOW... he's been in charge of EVERYTHING from the get-go.

Never let them know what you want or who you are, then they can't figure out your next move...the only thingI KNOW he wants (and Lyssa does too) is Kat Stark or her daughter Sansa.

 

And whether it's the USA or Westeros, it all comes down to money - follow the money and you will know what's really going on.

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"Meryn Trant? The best swordsman who ever lived was killed by Meryn Focking Trant?"

 

Love The Hound.

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"Meryn Trant? The best swordsman who ever lived was killed by Meryn Focking Trant?"

 

Love The Hound.

 

The Hound is arguably the BEST character this season.

Your friend’s dead and Meryn Trant’s not because Trant had armor and a big f***ing sword.

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this is making for quite and internship for Arya - basically studying under ever great killer from each region - she's a broken person now and will never be happy, but she could eventually kick a lot of ass.

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The Hound is arguably the BEST character this season.

Your friend’s dead and Meryn Trant’s not because Trant had armor and a big f***ing sword.

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Littlefinger... WOW... he's been in charge of EVERYTHING from the get-go.

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if many watchers didn't even catch Lysa Arryn's line.

It was rushed and she barely enunciated it. That was a big mystery/reveal.

 

Littlefinger started this whole mess and all the dominos since by persuading Lysa to poison her husband Jon Arryn, the hand of the King (Robert Baratheon).

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I wouldn't be surprised if many watchers didn't even catch Lysa Arryn's line.

It was rushed and she barely enunciated it. That was a big reveal.

 

Littlefinger started this whole mess and all the dominos since by persuading Lysa to poison Jon Arryn, the hand of the King (Robert Baratheon).

 

Then knowingly and purposely bankrupting the crown (i.e Lannisters).

 

There are no "good teams" and "bad teams" here - only good and bad people on each team and then really, none of those people are 100% good or bad either... would Sansa eventually become a Cercei-like queen? And could you blame her if she did?

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I wouldn't be surprised if many watchers didn't even catch Lysa Arryn's line.

It was rushed and she barely enunciated it. That was a big mystery/reveal.

 

Littlefinger started this whole mess and all the dominos since by persuading Lysa to poison her husband Jon Arryn, the hand of the King (Robert Baratheon).

 

They spelled it out pretty explicitly. Would have been hard to miss.

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I wouldn't be surprised if many watchers didn't even catch Lysa Arryn's line.

It was rushed and she barely enunciated it. That was a big mystery/reveal.

 

Littlefinger started this whole mess and all the dominos since by persuading Lysa to poison her husband Jon Arryn, the hand of the King (Robert Baratheon).

 

I was thinking the same thing, in the books it was a much more dramatic reveal obviously. Plus maybe a lot of viewers kind of forgot that the death of Jon Arryn started the whole thing.

 

Game Of Thrones was started by and is controlled by Little Finger, at least what we SEE going on. Varys controls everything that goes on that we don't really know about.

 

Really, isn't this whole thing Little Finger vs. Varys? Everyone else is just pawns in their game.

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Really, isn't this whole thing Little Finger vs. Varys? Everyone else is just pawns in their game.

maybe true, but the show hasn't projected Varys to be as powerful/evil as Littlefinger... Varys is no longer seen as Littlefinger's equal - they seemed to be early on, but now Littlefinger has elevated himself.

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maybe true, but the show hasn't projected Varys to be as powerful/evil as Littlefinger... Varys is no longer seen as Littlefinger's equal - they seemed to be early on, but now Littlefinger has elevated himself.

 

True dat. I think I've said that Little Finger certainly has more influence in Kings Landing/Westeros, but Varys influence is much more broad. We've seen that he has "spiders" as far east as Qarth and we can assume he has them even in Asshai. Obviously, from the books, I know more of his influence...which even by the end of the last book we are only starting to scratch the surface on the mystery that is Varys.

 

The difference is Varys actually does truly want what is good for the realm. LF doesn't give 2 sh1ts about the realm. Like he said in like season one when Ros first arrived "I don't play by their way. I don't want to fight them. I want to fock them". He wants to tear apart everything and be standing on top of the rubble. Varys knows and has said this a few times.

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He wants to tear apart everything and be standing on top of the rubble. Varys knows and has said this a few times.

yup.

I found his commentary on how defensible the Vale is to be telling... If I was in the predicting business, I'd predict that he wants Sansa and The Vale for himself while he twists and burns the rest of the world.

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yup.

I found his commentary on how defensible the Vale is to be telling... If I was in the predicting business, I'd predict that he wants Sansa and The Vale for himself while he twists and burns the rest of the world.

 

The Eerie is a good place to be if you have enemies swarming around. He certainly wants more than the Vale, but I think he is so focus at focking up all the powerful houses that he is missing the exterior threats of the dragons amongst others. Even Tywin can see those threats.

 

I mean, in the end it's going to be Ice vs. Fire. The Great Other vs. Dragons/lord of light. But for now, it's really LF vs. the world.

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I mean, in the end it's going to be Ice vs. Fire. The Great Other vs. Dragons/lord of light. But for now, it's really LF vs. the world.

 

Arya will slay them all.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Arya will slay them all.

 

I actually read some pretty good theories on how it's going to end. My favorite being Jon Snow (Ice) vs Dany (Fire).

 

Skip to #1 http://the-artifice.com/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-fan-theories/2/

 

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I actually read some pretty good theories on how it's going to end. My favorite being Jon Snow (Ice) vs Dany (Fire).

 

Skip to #1 http://the-artifice.com/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-fan-theories/2/

 

Very interesting, I have heard of this theory thrown around but this was explained to greater detail. I think clearly think there is a lot more to the Great Other and the White Walker army other than they just want to kill everyone. The last scene in episode 4 gave us a nice little glimpse into that world.

 

The thing I did not like about the last episode is it was highly predictable. I think it was a semi-cop-out just to give viewers a satisfying short storyline about good overcoming evil. It was cool to watch, but at the same time I was thinking that this wasn't a GRRM type of plot. At least it was just two episodes long and now it's over with and we can move on...

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One random thing I just thought of...I am really disappointed they have never shown the really, really treacherous path to get the The Erie. The castle looks awesome, but the reason it's such a fortress is because it's really hard to get to.

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this is making for quite and internship for Arya - basically studying under ever great killer from each region - she's a broken person now and will never be happy, but she could eventually kick a lot of ass.

Her story gets really good in book 4.

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Dinklage is just a stupidly great actor. He absolutely nailed that speech. Looks like Shae is going the route of Shae in the books.

 

IMO, best episode of the season. Everything was very well done. The last 2 episodes were somewhat disappointing, the added storyline was OK(though very predictable and I thought just put there to please the viewers of "good" overcoming "evil") but everything else was slowed to a crawl. NOW we are really getting going and we are officially diving into the best part of the entire series.

 

So this episode started it, but every episode from here on out will be all progress, and action, and craziness.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Hizdahr zo Loraq wasn't exactly what I was expecting...

 

This season is going WAY to fast.

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Hizdahr zo Loraq wasn't exactly what I was expecting...

 

He was pretty much what I expected, at least as far as the look goes. I don't recall what his first interaction with Dany was so I am not sure how his aura was or whatever.

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BTW, you see what is coming up next episode?!?! The episode's name is "Mockingbird" and from the previews...Jesus. I think everything in Kings Landing is pretty much keeping pace with the books, while the Little Finger/Sansa storyline is flllyyyyiiinnnggg. Of course the storyline on The Wall is quite slow.....like REALLY slow. I thought the Castle Black vs. Wildling battle would be the first or second episode. They have to be careful with dragging it out too much, there is A LOT still to happen at The Wall, saving it for next season?

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Another atrial by combat for Tyrion... why do I sense that Jamie vs Bronn will somehow be the matchup? No idea which one fights for Tyrion though.

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more thoughts...

 

Dany

The throne room scenes were excruciatingly slow, and they were designed to be that way to help us understand the tedium Dany was facing with 200 in line waiting to see her. She simply doesn't have time for this, and neither do we.

The Dragons? Bad ass but uncontrollable it seems - she doesn't "have" dragons any more than she has an army of fish in the sea ready to sink her enemy's ships.

 

Davos / Stannis

Dam right I put Davos first in this billing. Davos may be the best man in the show - the "new" Ned Stark - it was nice to see things go his way finally. More importantly is the power shift with Braavos losing faith in the Lannisters. I found it VERY interesting how cavalier Tywin was with the bounty on The Hound - going rate is 10 silver and Tywin proclaims, offer 100! Tywin is broke and he's getting the most out of his credit cards before anyone notices.

 

Tyrion

Steals every scene he is in - I have to believe that this role parallels so many real life struggles for Dinklage that he cements every scene by drawing on real life experiences - Tyrion has been on trial for being a dwarf his whole life... so too has Peter Dinklage. We believed Tyrion's anger/frustration/hurt/outrage because it was real, it was everything Dinklage has felt his whole life.

Some combination of Jaimie, Bronn, Oberyn, Meryn has to play out in this trial by combat - as I posed above, I think it's Jaimie vs. Bronn with Jaimie fighting for Tyrion.

 

Varys

After Littlefinger's plot unveilings, it seemed that Varys was no match for him - I was glad to see Varys get "picked up" a bit this episode to keep pace with Lord Baelish - interesting how they made a point of noting Varys's lack of "desire" and juxtaposing that with Baelish's famous lines about never letting your enemies know who you are or what you want - none in the show are more unknown and incalculable that Varys and Littlefinger... the chess match continues.

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Some combination of Jaimie, Bronn, Oberyn, Meryn has to play out in this trial by combat - as I posed above, I think it's Jaimie vs. Bronn with Jaimie fighting for Tyrion.

 

Jamie is a good guess so we can see the Kingslayer fight left-handed. but would the anti-Tyrion crowd put their faith in Bronn?

 

it's Cersei vs Margaery

oops... spoiler!

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Jamie is a good guess so we can see the Kingslayer fight left-handed. but would the anti-Tyrion crowd put their faith in Bronn?

 

it's Cersei vs Margaery

oops... spoiler!

maybe The Mountain represents the court/king and Oberyn can't resist taking him on in Tyrion's name? Oberyn knows Tyrion isn't guilty and he's laughing at the farce of it all.

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One interaction I just thought of that I think will have a huge impact:

 

The whole small council meeting about Dany. They reiterated that Jorah Mormont is now on her side and no longer interested in the pardon he got for informing on her to Varys and Robert, of course along with Selmy being by her side. Tywin asks if Varys has any spiders in Meereen, he nods, and asks for a quill and paper. As Tywin said once...some wars are won in battle, but some are won with quills and ravens.

 

I think we will see.....something....happen next week that I was not too sure we would see. Next episode should be a game changer.

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He was pretty much what I expected, at least as far as the look goes. I don't recall what his first interaction with Dany was so I am not sure how his aura was or whatever.

I was picturing him to be older.

 

I don't remember the converstion about his father's burial, from the book. My recollection is that their first interaction was about him asking to reopen the fighting pits.

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Tyrion Is Among The Least Skilled Players Of The Game Of Thrones

 

Back in Game of Thrones season two, we heard a lot about how Tyrion was taking to court intrigue in King's Landing. How he was enjoying playing politics, and discovering he was quite good at it. The sad thing? He was horrible at it. Almost as bad as Ned Stark. Last night's episode pretty much proves it. Spoilers ahead...

 

When Tyrion came to King's Landing, he'd just been appointed acting Hand of the King, and he was suddenly eager to prove that he was smarter than the previous Hand, Ned Stark. But last night's episode shows him facing the exact same fate as Ned, because he couldn't stop being too clever for his own good.

 

Tyrion's masterstroke was that he told three different people three different plans, to see which one got back to his sister Cersei: Littlefinger, Varys and Pycelle. Whoever told Cersei, Tyrion would know he couldn't trust. When Pycelle ratted Tyrion out to Cersei, Tyrion had Pycelle tossed in a black cell. And then Tyrion went ahead with his real plan, sending Cersei's only daughter Myrcella away to Dorne to be protected (or to be a hostage.)

 

There are a few key flaws in Tyrion's cunning ruse, however. First of all, he should have known already who he could trust: nobody. Second of all, the two people he came away deciding he could trust were Littlefinger (who framed him for murder, although he doesn't know that) and Varys (who just testified against him at his trial.) Third of all, he made an enemy of Pycelle, who is only too eager to make up crazy stories about Tyrion stealing every poison on Earth from Pycelle's stash.

 

This whole business of figuring out who you can trust is only slightly different than Ned Stark insisting on giving Cersei a fair warning before revealing her secret — in both cases, it betrays a misunderstanding of how the world works.

 

And Tyrion wouldn't be on trial for Joffrey's murder if he'd played his cards even slightly right. He basically did the opposite of the smart thing on every occasion, openly defying Joffrey and mocking the idiot king to his face. He even joked about kings dropping like flies. And meanwhile, Tyrion made an enemy of Cersei, instead of humoring her admittedly bonkers notions.

 

What's amazing about Tyrion's trial for Joffrey's murder is how much of the testimony is true. There are some distortions here and there, and people leave out stuff — like Ser Meryn Trant doesn't mention what Joffrey was doing when Tyrion defied him in the throne room, and Cersei leaves out why Tyrion vowed to turn her joy to ashes. But a truly skilled player would find ways to get back at people without getting caught, while putting on a smiling face in public.

 

Besides Pycelle, the biggest liar at Tyrion's trial is the person he trusted most: Shae, his lover, who apparently didn't get away after all. She comes out with a massively twisted (and spiteful) version of the truth, in which Tyrion had her kidnapped and treated her as his property, and then conspired with Sansa to kill Joffrey so Sansa would finally sleep with him. Is Shae doing this to punish Tyrion for trying to get rid of her, or was she forced into it? It sure looks like the former, from the way she looks at him when she says she was just his .

 

And then in this episode, Tyrion takes a losing hand and plays it incredibly badly. From the start of his trial, he's talking back and making jokes about how maybe Joffrey just choked to death on his pigeon pie. He tries to claim that he's actually on trial for being a dwarf, which wins him zero points.

 

And then Tyrion is given a chance to save himself, and he throws it away. Jaime makes a deal with their father: If Tywin lets Tyrion live (and go to the Wall as a member of the Night's Watch, with a fairly low life expectancy, admittedly), then Jaime will obey Tywin's wishes. Jaime will give up his oath as a member of the Kingsguard, go to Casterly Rock as the new lord, and marry some suitable woman to carry on the Lannister line.

 

It's probably the best deal Tyrion is going to get, but after Shae's knife-to-the-heart testimony, Tyrion flips out. He pretends he's going to confess, then instead goes on a tirade about how he saved King's Landing and he's sorry he didn't poison Joffrey, and he wishes he could poison the rest of them. And then, instead of taking his verdict, he opts for trial by combat — which worked for him last time, in the Eyrie. But probably won't in King's Landing, where they have some serious killers. (Who does Tyrion think will be his champion? One-handed Jaime? The AWOL Bronn?)

 

In any case, Tyrion's trial comes at the end of an episode which sees three other people discovering the high price of wielding power. And paying it.