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[parrot 789]

This was sorta explained a bit at the end: the wildling army was just testing their defenses so it was a scaled back version of a full-on attack. Why? I don't know. When you have a 1,000:1 advantage in manpower a full bore, overwhelming onslaught would seem the way to go. Then again the wildlings didn't know there were that few knight's watch.

 

A full-on onslaught is not necessarily the best way to go against a defense like the wall, where you only partially know what you are dealing with, and what you do know of it is that it's mostly impermeable. If they had thrown thousands against the gate, only to find it plugged (like Jon counseled), then they would have been trapped beneath the wall without much in the way of a plan B. They know the NW is undermanned, but they don't know how badly. The wall hasn't been attacked since time immemorial so it's likely they don't know about things like the scythe, or what other types of defenses they might have on top. They lost some men, but now they have a much better idea of what they are dealing with than they did before. The one thing I would say is that the full assault should have been coordinated with Tormund's bunch attacking Castle Black. The only question is how much ability to communicate they would have.

[posty 2,702]

'Game of Thrones' showrunners promise: Best finale yet

 

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/09/game-of-thrones-showrunners-finale-4-tease/

 

The Battle of Castle Black may have been the biggest action set-piece in Game of Thrones history (and probably TV history, too), but next Sunday’s hour of the HBO hit could be the show’s best episode ever.

 

Titled “The Children,” the 10th episode of the fourth season will break a narrative pattern that’s been set by the show in previous years. Usually the ninth episode contains a major character death or battle, and the finale is a quieter hour (by Thrones standards, at least) that wraps some storylines while launching other threads for next season. Expect “The Children” to check in with all the key characters and for some major drama to unfold.

 

“It’s the best finale we’ve ever done, bar none,” Thrones showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss said in a statement. “The performances from our cast, the direction from Alex Graves, the VFX work, the new [music] cues from Ramin Djawadi—all of it came together in perhaps the finest hour we’ve produced. We’re immensely proud of ‘The Children.’ And a little intimidated by the episode, because now we have to get back to the business of season five and figure out a way to top it.”

 

Of key interest is the fate of Tyrion Lannister (Peter Dinklage), who was sentenced to death at the conclusion of the eighth episode. But there’s also Jon Snow (Kit Harington) marching off to assassinate Mance Rayder (Ciarán Hinds), Arya (Maisie Williams) setting a new course, and you cannot have a Thrones finale without at least one surprise involving the dragon queen (Emilia Clarke). Expect “The Children” to be a longer-than-usual episode, too — HBO’s schedule says the finale is 66 minutes.

[edjr 6,606]

 

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[OldMaid 2,130]

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Led by me.

 

 

Yay me!!!

[edjr 6,606]

HBO’s schedule says the finale is 66 minutes.

 

Oh how they spoil us

[posty 2,702]

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Sounds like you are definitely on to something...

 

[posty 2,702]

Here at Fishfinger we’re massive fans of Game of Thrones! When we were given the opportunity to create an infographic for it we couldn’t control the excitement. The infographic shows the chronology of the four main families (Stark, Lannister, Baratheon, Targaryen) and the Night’s Watch over the last four seasons.

 

Please note that this is live and up to date so it DOES contain spoilers right up to the most recent episode. Don’t worry… we don’t read the books! Enjoy!

 

PS. A big thank you to all our Fishfingerettes out there with their suggestions and improvements… we are working on them now!

 

http://fishfinger.me/game-of-thrones

[edjr 6,606]

Wasn't it nice of them to build the tunnel big enough to fit a running giant?

[edjr 6,606]

Fishfinger

 

What it smells like after removing it from Old Maid?

[OldMaid 2,130]

What it smells like after removing it from Old Maid?

[parrot 789]

 

Oh how they spoil us

 

Judging by the trailer they are going to pack a lot of sh!t into that 66 minutes.

 

[edjr 6,606]

 

Judging by the trailer they are going to pack a lot of sh!t into that 66 minutes.

 

 

I'd rather they not pack so much sh1t into it and make the season 16 episodes.

 

I love this show so much, I hate when it leaves me

[parrot 789]

 

I'd rather they not pack so much sh1t into it and make the season 16 episodes.

 

This would be awesome.

[Quickolas1 80]

4.9 The Watchers on the Wall.

 

Jon Snow is a cuunt. No way around it. He sways with the wind with his plans and loyalties. Winterfell, The Night Watch, The Wildlings, Ygritte, his wolf, The Night Watch again, now he has quit on his men again and walked off alone to meet Mance Rayder. He seeIms to switch sides constantly, mostly for selfish reasons. He’s not a hero. He may be a natural leader, just not a good nor a just leader. It feels like he is completely deserting the Night Watch yet again. Maybe he gets taken prisoner and remains alive. But without him around, the rest of the Watch will fall apart rather easily.

 

The attack from the South by Styr/Tormund happens first in the book, not simultaneously as a small band of Mance's forces from the North. It is a sneak attack (that Jon knows about obv) by the Southern ones to open the gate for the waiting forces up North. It still worked okay for the show... the few attacking from the North worked as a diversion to divide the Night's Watch's attention.

 

Book: There are only 40 Night's Watch left after the battle from the South. Mance then sends a skirmish or two (a few giants, a few men) with various battering rams to try to take the gate from the north. All remaining Night's Watch are stationed on top of the wall, sending down oil and fire and arrows to take out the different battering rams. The one giant does break through the outer gate like in the show but is killed (as they showed).

 

The Watch is running out of ammo and have no chance if the full force of the Wildlings come or even if Mance keeps sending skirmishes. Jon doesn't go on his own in the books. Janos Slynt (coward in the cellar with Gilly) has taken charge and orders him to go to kill Mance on the pretense of parlay/negotiation. Slynt still believes Jon in a traitor and is pretty sure Mance will just kill him. It amounts to the same thing in the show... the Night's Watch cannot hold the wall with 40 dudes and no supplies left. Jon has to try something.

 

And now you know, Jon Snow.

 

I really hope we get the final chapter in the season finale.

[Saint Elistan 106]

 

Judging by the trailer they are going to pack a lot of sh!t into that 66 minutes.

 

 

Shae looks soo yummy in that thumbnail. Would wreck that.

[phillybear 366]

Two thoughts going into the finale, still haven't seen any promos.

 

Is Mance Rayder aware of Jon Snow's deserting the band of Wildlings of the south to rejoin the Watch? I mean, after the Wildlings and Snow climbed over the wall last season, was there any communication to let Rayder know of Snow's eventual betrayal? I'm thinking, no. And this battle gave no evidence to the North of the Wall army that Jon Snow had joined the Watch. He came out of the gate at the end, but he could claim he is a released prisoner, right? Just waltz into the company of Mancy Rayder, and tell him how they lost the battle to the Watch, and lie about how many men are left.

 

Being that The Hound and Brock Lesnar have been heading in the same direction to the same location, it would make sense that they cross paths at some point. Do they join forces, or fight? That might be an interesting undercard to the finale.

[posty 2,702]

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[edjr 6,606]

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no

[Big Blue 06 195]

Page 2? Unacceptable!

[edjr 6,606]

Page 2? Unacceptable!

 

After that finale, the thread should be deleted.

[Big Blue 06 195]

 

After that finale, the thread should be deleted.

I take it you didn't like the finale then? Just my perceptive nature that picked up on that.

[phillybear 366]

4.10 The Children

Well, the last episode before starting up the ‘ole rewatch the series from the beginning to see what I missed the first time around.

We pick up right where last week left off, much to my surprise. You people who didn’t like The Wall episode? Well here comes some more right up your ass. The entire conversation between Mance and Jon was a series of honest dialogue from Mance and a bunch of bullsh!t from Jon Snow. Have I mentioned that I think Jon Snow is a cuunt? Mance lays out the true motivations of The Wilding army, to flee from the threat of the White Walkers, for self preservation. Mance is also no dummy, as he has correctly figured out how vulnerable the Wall is right now and has additional climbers on the move, something that I don’t think they have resolved by the end of the episode. Just as Jon foolishly started obviously eye balling a knife and got busted for him feeble plot to assassinate Mance, a brilliantly choreographed scene of double flanks of cavalry-led armies stormed the forces of Mance Rayder. A very quick and decisive victory for Stannis. Unreal. So, after directly attacking King’s Landing and being rebuffed at Blackwater, he is given a second chance at getting an army together, and is the only leader to take the Night Watch warnings of the Walkers seriously and came up to the Wall to protect the North. Wow. Further, Stannis and Jon Snow seemingly have a bond now, where you would expect Snow to take over command of the Night Watch since Stannis respected Nedd Stark, Jon’s father. Jon talks Stannis into sparing Mance’s life, for now. So, where does this go? Does Stannis try to capture the Kingdom from the North downward? Does Stannis take command of the Wilding army and with his own army in tow, head through the wall and due South, or disband the Wilding army, leaving them to fend for themselves against the Walkers? Suddenly, the Wall is full of intrigue. They burn the bodies, noting the Walking Dead mantra, and Jon gives Ygritte a Viking Funeral of sorts. More than anything, Stannis is set up as a very strong character going forward. So, how soon until he will be killed off? Right?

Bran Campbell and his group of merry misfits stumble onto the set of Army of Darkness as they approach the weird red tree and are attacked by some of the cheesiest looking cartoony skeletons I’ve seen. I guess all the money was spent on the previous episode. So, the skeletons kill Jojen as the rest follow Les Miserable urchin into a cave with an invisible force field that attacks skeletons only, past a bunch of root filled tunnels, to meet some old guy who is supposed to be a 3 eyed raven who tells Bran that he will never walk but will fly. Um, check please? What the holy focking fock is going on here?

At Meereen, the queen who shall no longer show skin or be interesting in any way gives into the demands of the people and allows them to sell themselves back into slavery. So, she who freed the slaves is allowing slavery again. Further, she then goes ahead and enslaves her dragons, basically her children as a result of one of the dragons making a few peasants into extra crispy pork rinds. This story line really, really sucks.

Near the Vale, Brock Lesner and Podrick stumble upon Arya while The Hound is taking a sh!t. You don’t see Jack Bauer ever taking a dump in 35 seasons of 24, because as we see in this episode several times, when you sh!t, you die. Hold it in until your colon burst. Kind of sad, really, that Brock continues to fight these men when they are at their weakest. She fought a badly dehydrated and weakened and injured Jamie. Now, she is fighting the recently injured Hound. She gets all the breaks. Anyway, brutal fight. While the Viper and Mountain was more like a dance, this was a dirty MMA fight. Brock bit off the Hound’s ear and punched him in the balls. The Hound literally kicked Brock in the ass, but for some reason tried to stab her through the armor with a butter knife. Sadly, Hound fell off a cliff while Arya snuck away. Kind of a creepy scene of a broken Hound being left to die by Arya as she snags his money and walks away, somewhat reflecting some of the lessons she learned from being mentored by Hound this season. Arya eventually books a passage on a boat, first asking to go to the Wall, where Jon Snow is. Finally, she is granted a trip to Braavos based on the piece of iron given to her by I think the shape shifter assassin from a couple of seasons ago, who helped her escape from being the wine steward for Tywin Lannister at Harrenhal.

The Mountain is dying from the Viper fight as it turns out Oberlyn’s spear was coated in poison. Cersei orders radical procedures to be done, which will ultimately turn Mountain into a speech impediment super villain in the Dark Knight Rises. Cersei refuses her shotgun wedding to the ‘mo Loras, then goes all batsh!t on her father and his precious legacy, admitting her relationship with brother and their waterhead incesty kids. Best episode of Housewives of King’s Landing yet. Jamie helps Tyrion escape his cell in what can only be known as the Shortshank Redemption. What? Rita Hayworth hasn’t been invented yet. Tyrion takes a detour to his father’s room and finds Shea in his father’s bed. Is Peter Dinklage gonna have to choke a b!tch? Next, he takes Joffrey’s crossbow, finds his daddy taking a dump with the door open. What did it stink so bad, you kept the door open? No guards anywhere? Anyway, a couple of arrows does the deed to dad on Father’s Day. Killing a hooker and then crossbowing someone in a restroom; sounds like a typical Saturday night for me. Tyrion hurries to met Varys, but not until he drives a car into Tracy Morgan and pulls the plug on Casey Kasem. He gets crated off by Varys, but I couldn’t tell if Varys was planning on going on the boat all along, or had to escape when he heard the bells tolling and realized that Tyrion did some bad sh!t. So, are they going to go to Braavos, or maybe eventually meet up with Daenerys? Does this basically leave a power vacuum for Cersei to absorb and become the dominant figure at King’s Landing with Tywin, Varys, Baelish all gone? What a mess.

[edjr 6,606]

I take it you didn't like the finale then? Just my perceptive nature that picked up on that.

 

Not impressed after all that build up.

[edjr 6,606]

 

Bran Campbell and his group of merry misfits stumble onto the set of Army of Darkness as they approach the weird red tree and are attacked by some of the cheesiest looking cartoony skeletons I’ve seen. I guess all the money was spent on the previous episode. So, the skeletons kill Jojen as the rest follow Les Miserable urchin into a cave with an invisible force field that attacks skeletons only, past a bunch of root filled tunnels, to meet some old guy who is supposed to be a 3 eyed raven who tells Bran that he will never walk but will fly. Um, check please? What the holy focking fock is going on here?

 

 

Bran is going to mind control Drogon

[phillybear 366]

 

 

Bran is going to mind control Drogon

 

Believe it or not, I've had that same thought previously.

 

4.3 Breaker of Chains

 

Also, don't spoil this for me, as I'm speculating. Is Bran's ability to control animals leading up to him being able to embody a dragon down the road? Will his self training lead to being able to control multiple animals at the same time, leading to him controlling all 3 dragons at the same time. An Ender's Game of sorts, or maybe The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. That might be a hell of a thing.

 

Leads to speculation what those episodes might look like potentially, armies of men with dragons vs White (Wight?) Walkers. *turgid boner*

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Wow, lot happened in that episode. I am bummed that the Hound died but ESPECIALLY bummed that Tywin is apparently dead (no spoilers from you damn bookworms should he survive!). Charles Dance was awesome.

 

Is Arya going to Braavos or The Wall? What was that coin she gave the captain dude? I know I should remember where it came from but I don't . I am thinking the shapeshifter dude but maybe it was the Brothers without Banners?

 

Fockin Daenerys sucks now, I don't like her anymore. Let's see, no longer the freer of slaves nor the mother of dragons? And she don't show her t!ts either? What's the point now?

 

I had a feeling Stannis was going to end up a formidable figure at some point. I don't trust that fire lady though, she will be his undoing.

 

phillybear - Varys clearly didn't intend to go with Tyrion and went once he figured out Tyrion had done some irrevocable sh!t. I believe they are going to Braavos as well, no?

[Quickolas1 80]

Wow, lot happened in that episode. I am bummed that the Hound died but ESPECIALLY bummed that Tywin is apparently dead (no spoilers from you damn bookworms should he survive!). Charles Dance was awesome.

 

Is Arya going to Braavos or The Wall? What was that coin she gave the captain dude? I know I should remember where it came from but I don't . I am thinking the shapeshifter dude but maybe it was the Brothers without Banners?

 

Jaquen H'ghar (face changer/assassin) gave her the coin and said if you ever go to Braavos, show this coin and say Valar Morghulis.

They flashed this before the opening credits (obv whatever they flash will be pertinent to the episode).

She asked the Captain to go to the wall but he said he's going home to Braavos and then she did wjat Jaquen told her.

 

A lot happened but several important things were omitted from the end of the 3rd book.

My pet peeve is we didn't get the epilogue. It better be the opening scene next season!

[OldMaid 2,130]

Wow, lot happened in that episode. I am bummed that the Hound died but ESPECIALLY bummed that Tywin is apparently dead (no spoilers from you damn bookworms should he survive!). Charles Dance was awesome.

Is Arya going to Braavos or The Wall? What was that coin she gave the captain dude? I know I should remember where it came from but I don't . I am thinking the shapeshifter dude but maybe it was the Brothers without Banners?

Fockin Daenerys sucks now, I don't like her anymore. Let's see, no longer the freer of slaves nor the mother of dragons? And she don't show her t!ts either? What's the point now?

I had a feeling Stannis was going to end up a formidable figure at some point. I don't trust that fire lady though, she will be his undoing.

phillybear - Varys clearly didn't intend to go with Tyrion and went once he figured out Tyrion had done some irrevocable sh!t. I believe they are going to Braavos as well, no?

Yep... Charles Dance will be missed. He was the perfect embodiment of Tywin Lannister. Just the right amount of evil and cunning.

 

to Charles Dance

[OldMaid 2,130]

Jaquen H'ghar (face changer/assassin) gave her the coin and said if you ever go to Braavos, show this coin and say Valar Morghulis.

They flashed this before the opening credits (obv whatever they flash will be pertinent to the episode).

She asked the Captain to go to the wall but he said he's going home to Braavos and then she did wjat Jaquen told her.

 

A lot happened but several important things were omitted from the end of the 3rd book.

My pet peeve is we didn't get the epilogue. It better be the opening scene next season!

 

 

I'm a little puzzled that we didn't get the revelation about Tysha, from Jamie, before letting Tyrion escape. I wonder if that means we can skip Tyrion asking everyone "Where do 's go?" to everyone from here on out?

[Saint Elistan 106]

Really don't think the Hound is dead, fellas. Are there any exceptions to the "if they didn't die on screen..." rule so far in the series? They made it seem as if The Mountain is going to live. GRRM isn't one for poetic justice, but the idea of The Hound being the one to end The Mountain for good is just too good to pass up is it not?

[phillybear 366]

Wow, lot happened in that episode. I am bummed that the Hound died but ESPECIALLY bummed that Tywin is apparently dead (no spoilers from you damn bookworms should he survive!). Charles Dance was awesome.

 

Is Arya going to Braavos or The Wall? What was that coin she gave the captain dude? I know I should remember where it came from but I don't . I am thinking the shapeshifter dude but maybe it was the Brothers without Banners?

 

Fockin Daenerys sucks now, I don't like her anymore. Let's see, no longer the freer of slaves nor the mother of dragons? And she don't show her t!ts either? What's the point now?

 

I had a feeling Stannis was going to end up a formidable figure at some point. I don't trust that fire lady though, she will be his undoing.

 

phillybear - Varys clearly didn't intend to go with Tyrion and went once he figured out Tyrion had done some irrevocable sh!t. I believe they are going to Braavos as well, no?

 

The consensus is all the evidence points to Arya headed to Braavos, as that is what the piece or iron is meant to do, take her there and help her locate the shape shifter assassin.

 

I forgot to mention the look that red headed witch woman of Stannis gave to Jon Snow. I'd like to know what she was thinking. Stannis seems like the only leader type dude who is acting unselfishly.

 

For a guy that ends up taking a boat ride across a big body of water, I got the impression that Varys didn't bring any luggage. Who goes on a long trip with no luggage? So when I mentioned that I though Varys took the trip unexpectedly, I think that is exactly what happened. The bells tolling, no doubt they discovered the body of Tywin, because if you find the King's Hand dead, or the King, you ring some God Damned bells. And he better be dead, because he don't ring them for somebody wounded. And no, you don't ring them for an escaped prisoner, or at least we haven't seen that so far. So, what happens next? You gather up the King's Council. Guess what? Varys is so far away, no way his chubby legs could get him anywhere close to the table before somebody says, "Say, where the heck is Varys?" No, Varys knew the game was up. He knew Tyrion would not have killed Tommen, but likely killed Tywin, the cause for the bell ringing. So, in essense, Cersei gains power, and Varys really has no more hands to play in King's Landing. He has birds across the sea, so he is off to do other stuff elsewhere, with or without Tyrion. But I take it as good news. With everyone but Cersei and Jamie and possibly Maergery left behind in King's Landing, we don't have to spend much time there next season. I like the idea of seeing more of possible new lands across the sea, where ever that might be, meeting new characters, as not only Daenerys is over there, but now Arya, Tyrion, and Varys will be on the other continent.

[edjr 6,606]

Really don't think the Hound is dead, fellas. Are there any exceptions to the "if they didn't die on screen..." rule so far in the series? They made it seem as if The Mountain is going to live. GRRM isn't one for poetic justice, but the idea of The Hound being the one to end The Mountain for good is just too good to pass up is it not?

 

Where did Brienne go? Could she not find and help him? Long shot I know, but she's that kinda man.

[edjr 6,606]

 

The consensus is all the evidence points to Arya headed to Braavos, as that is what the piece or iron is meant to do, take her there and help her locate the shape shifter assassin.

 

I forgot to mention the look that red headed witch woman of Stannis gave to Jon Snow. I'd like to know what she was thinking. Stannis seems like the only leader type dude who is acting unselfishly.

 

 

Did she sense that he also has kings blood running through his veins and what she could do with it?

[phillybear 366]

Really don't think the Hound is dead, fellas. Are there any exceptions to the "if they didn't die on screen..." rule so far in the series? They made it seem as if The Mountain is going to live. GRRM isn't one for poetic justice, but the idea of The Hound being the one to end The Mountain for good is just too good to pass up is it not?

 

That would suck. Like LOST when Mikhail gets thrown into a pylon fence. Boo!!!

[phillybear 366]

 

Did she sense that he also has kings blood running through his veins and what she could do with it?

 

But the Starks weren't kings, were they? Ned Stark was his father, not sure who his mother is, but other than ruling Winterfell and being the King's Hand, I don't think they are royalty.

 

Something connected to the Lord of the Light stuff maybe?

[phillybear 366]

 

Where did Brienne go? Could she not find and help him? Long shot I know, but she's that kinda man.

 

He's got a broken leg with exposed wound, severe internal bleeding (blood out of mouth), a torn off ear with exposed would, and the spreading infection from the wound that he didn't cauterize from the previous fight with two dudes.

[edjr 6,606]

 

But the Starks weren't kings, were they? Ned Stark was his father, not sure who his mother is, but other than ruling Winterfell and being the King's Hand, I don't think they are royalty.

 

Something connected to the Lord of the Light stuff maybe?

 

Hmm, good call. Ned Was going to be king though per Robert Baratheon and then he lost his haid.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Really don't think the Hound is dead, fellas. Are there any exceptions to the "if they didn't die on screen..." rule so far in the series? They made it seem as if The Mountain is going to live. GRRM isn't one for poetic justice, but the idea of The Hound being the one to end The Mountain for good is just too good to pass up is it not?

This was my thought as well, that they were sure trying to set up a Hound vs Mountain revenge battle in the future. But it's hard to imagine him surviving, even a tough SOB like him.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Did she sense that he also has kings blood running through his veins and what she could do with it?

Well we know Jon Snow is a leader and he no longer kneels to the king. She was probably assessing him as a threat to Stannis.

[parrot 789]

 

But the Starks weren't kings, were they? Ned Stark was his father, not sure who his mother is, but other than ruling Winterfell and being the King's Hand, I don't think they are royalty.

 

Something connected to the Lord of the Light stuff maybe?

 

The Starks were Kings in the North for millenia before the coming of Aegon the Conqueror. Who knows what the shelf-life of King's blood is though.