Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[edjr 6,606]

He should sell the franchise to Disney and let them finish it

[parrot 789]

 

But, honestly, as much as I want the series to be done, a big part of me gets excited if there is another book. As long as he's still breathing, I'm fine. I mean, he isn't THAT old and, other than being on the tubby side, he's healthy.

 

But, seriously, let the man write. He doesn't HAVE to continue to the story, like he never had to create it or release in the first place. It's HIS masterpiece, let him finish it on his terms, the way he wants. We all really need to stop bothering the man, not that he really pays any attention to what all of us nerds, with nothing better to do, are saying.

 

We should be nothing but appreciative towards the man instead of berating him.

 

Nobody is "berating" him, it's just frustrating. You really trust him to finish this thing when he's in his 80's?

[OldMaid 2,130]

Nobody is "berating" him, it's just frustrating. You really trust him to finish this thing when he's in his 80's?

Plus, it wouldn't be so bad, if he wasn't wasting his time writing things other than this series. I swear, if he releases another Dunk & Egg book, before Winds of Winter, I'm going to go ballistic.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

You book readers need to simmer down. Fact is he isn't finishing the books before the TV show finishes the series. That's just the way it is. So the show runners get to decide how it ends and if the author is still alive and kicking he could write an alternate ending in his original vision.

[parrot 789]

You book readers need to simmer down. Fact is he isn't finishing the books before the TV show finishes the series. That's just the way it is. So the show runners get to decide how it ends and if the author is still alive and kicking he could write an alternate ending in his original vision.

 

He's already told the show runners the broad strokes of how it will end. They can either decide to go that way, or change it up. That really has nothing to do with my desire to see him finish the books.

[CantTouchThis 23]

 

Nobody is "berating" him, it's just frustrating. You really trust him to finish this thing when he's in his 80's?

 

I think he'll be finished by his mid 70s. I do agree with him focusing on finishing the series rather than doing other side projects. You really can't leave the rest of the series up to the show runners to figure out once they catch up.

 

Just judging by where he was around like November and the sample chapters that have been released, he's probably on the last chapters of the book. If he was really awesome and wanted to make the most money, he would have to done right in time for Christmas....

[CantTouchThis 23]

 

He's already told the show runners the broad strokes of how it will end. They can either decide to go that way, or change it up. That really has nothing to do with my desire to see him finish the books.

 

I don't think it will come to that. They really need to stretch out the next couple seasons. You figure WOW...SHOULD...be out by the start of next season. WOW is a huge book and maybe they can stretch to, with some fillers, to 2 or 3 seasons.

[parrot 789]

 

I don't think it will come to that. They really need to stretch out the next couple seasons. You figure WOW...SHOULD...be out by the start of next season. WOW is a huge book and maybe they can stretch to, with some fillers, to 2 or 3 seasons.

 

I think it's almost certainly going to come to that. 5 years per book is about the best we can hope for at this point, IMO, which puts ADOS 6 years away best case. They are already almost thru both Feast and Dance on a number of story lines. So Winds will need to have 3-4 seasons worth of material for it be even remotely possible for George to finish first. I don't see that happening. And that's assuming he doesn't add another book.

[OldMaid 2,130]

I think it's almost certainly going to come to that. 5 years per book is about the best we can hope for at this point, IMO, which puts ADOS 6 years away best case. They are already almost thru both Feast and Dance on a number of story lines. So Winds will need to have 3-4 seasons worth of material for it be even remotely possible for George to finish first. I don't see that happening. And that's assuming he doesn't add another book.

 

Yep. By the end of this season we should be almost caught up with Bran's and Sansa's storylines. I can see getting a season or two tops, out of the rest...

 

If they do plan on only 7 seasons, they'll really need to stretch it, and then finish on the big screen, would buy even more time. It took something like 3 yrs after Sex and the City ended, before we got the first movie, and I think the Entourage movie is finally moving forward...

 

Theoretically, if Martin writes super fast, and they drag this out by finishing with movies, it could be done.

[parrot 789]

Yep. By the end of this season we should be almost caught up with Bran's and Sansa's storylines. I can see getting a season or two tops, out of the rest...

 

If they do plan on only 7 seasons, they'll really need to stretch it, and then finish on the big screen, would buy even more time. It took something like 3 yrs after Sex and the City ended, before we got the first movie, and I think the Entourage movie is finally moving forward...

 

Theoretically, if Martin writes super fast, and they drag this out by finishing with movies, it could be done.

 

That's good stuff right there.

[OldMaid 2,130]

That's good stuff right there.

 

Yeah, the difference between possible and plausible.

[edjr 6,606]

You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children.

 

I guess Cersei doesn't care what might happen to her daughter in Dorne?

[TD Ryan2 316]

I do agree with him focusing on finishing the series rather than doing other side projects.

 

I think you are all misunderstanding how the creative process works for most creative people... I understand your concern/frustration, but asking GRRM to hop into a bunker to just hammer out the end will yield an utterly crappy ending.

 

It's the catch-22 with any creative project - when you're free to do/make as you please, things come out great - once someone starts pressuring the creativity with time, money, etc... it stifles the creativity.

 

the best thing to do is leave the man alone - let him do his thing at his pace and just don't interfere with his process however meandering and illogical it may seem.

OR

sell it to Disney.

[CantTouchThis 23]

 

I think you are all misunderstanding how the creative process works for most creative people... I understand your concern/frustration, but asking GRRM to hop into a bunker to just hammer out the end will yield an utterly crappy ending.

 

It's the catch-22 with any creative project - when you're free to do/make as you please, things come out great - once someone starts pressuring the creativity with time, money, etc... it stifles the creativity.

 

the best thing to do is leave the man alone - let him do his thing at his pace and just don't interfere with his process however meandering and illogical it may seem

 

I agree with all of this. I really want him to write a great, well thought out book rather than rush through it just to appease everyone.

 

But seriously, the day that the WOW release date is officially announced is the next best day of my life.

[swirvenirvin 25]

what happened to this thread. Why are we talking about books?

 

DUMB

[parrot 789]

 

I think you are all misunderstanding how the creative process works for most creative people... I understand your concern/frustration, but asking GRRM to hop into a bunker to just hammer out the end will yield an utterly crappy ending.

 

It's the catch-22 with any creative project - when you're free to do/make as you please, things come out great - once someone starts pressuring the creativity with time, money, etc... it stifles the creativity.

 

the best thing to do is leave the man alone - let him do his thing at his pace and just don't interfere with his process however meandering and illogical it may seem.

OR

sell it to Disney.

 

The problem is, he doesn't really write at "his pace". He is the first person to admit that he says yes to too many things and that detracts from his writing process. So maybe if his fans help him grow a backbone, he can write the same book in a little more timely fashion.

[parrot 789]

what happened to this thread. Why are we talking about books?

 

DUMB

 

You want to talk about the show? Knock yourself out.

[CantTouchThis 23]

what happened to this thread. Why are we talking about books?

 

DUMB

 

We're talking about how the book series not being finish may have a huge effect on the show. I hope you do realize that the series is based directly off of the books...

[The Moz 69]

If it takes Martin 5-6 years to write each book .......... 8 books I'm not sure he lives long enough to write the 7 he said he was.

[swirvenirvin 25]

 

You want to talk about the show? Knock yourself out.

just stop being ghey and talking about the books

[swirvenirvin 25]

 

We're talking about how the book series not being finish may have a huge effect on the show. I hope you do realize that the series is based directly off of the books...

yeah dont care stop being ghey

[swirvenirvin 25]

Book this book that fockoff homos. Gonna start a none book thread so you homos can talk about the books in here.

[Quickolas1 80]

I would say somewhere around 1/3 of the entire plot between both books we will see in the upcoming season, just judging by the previews. I think by episode 7 we will be completely past the third book. Right now, though the different story-lines vary, we are about 65-70% through the third book. That last bit of the 3rd book is extraordinarily eventful though, and some of story-lines will take most of the season.

 

I think next season will be just bananas, pulse-pounding, electric until we end the plots in the third book. The season will end with a whimper I fear as we get into the beginning of the plots in the 4th and 5th books, though I think we will see Dany's storyline progress further than anyone's.

I can see the season ending with her wedding

 

 

Told ya... nope.

They are one chapter into Sansa's material from book 4 and that's really it (Bran may be north of the wall, but his 4/5 chapter content hasn't been done).

 

Half of book 4 should be cut as it's unwatchable making 4+5 do-able in 2 TV seasons.

GRRM needs to take serious lesson on how-to from JK Rowling and move his scattershot, unorganized fat ass.

[OldMaid 2,130]

I just knew the entire episode was going to be centered around the events at the wall. For the most part, it went as expected. I'm a little puzzled about a few changes, but overall, pretty epic.

 

I had almost entirely forgotten about Pip's death. How focked up is that? So many people die in this series, that you can actually forget about some of them.

 

Anyway... can't believe the finale is next week. I wish those bastards would give us more than 10 episodes.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Looks like Gren took the role of Noye? Interesting.

 

Definitely well done, I actually think what happened in the show made more sense than what happened in the book in attacking them from both sides at once.

 

Allister is actually a pretty cool guy albeit a total douche.

 

I was meh on the Ygritte death scene, you saw it coming obviously, whereas it was a decent surprise and more emotional in the book. This was the biggest reason why I was wondering why they were waiting so long for the initial wildling battle, you kind of lost any connection with Ygritte. You occasionally saw her killing innocent people throughout the season, and Sam kept annoyingly asking about her, but she became a background character rather than an upfront, semi-fan favorite she was all of last season. It just took a lot of the punch out of the scene, whereas if it had happened in the second or third episode like it should have, it would have been a more impactful moment. Oh well, it's done and they did all the battles really well.

 

Apologies to swirven for talking about the book

[CantTouchThis 23]

I just knew the entire episode was going to be centered around the events at the wall. For the most part, it went as expected. I'm a little puzzled about a few changes, but overall, pretty epic.

 

I had almost entirely forgotten about Pip's death. How focked up is that? So many people die in this series, that you can actually forget about some of them.

 

Anyway... can't believe the finale is next week. I wish those bastards would give us more than 10 episodes.

 

I had to think if Pip died in the battle, I think it happened almost exactly as it happened in the show. I got Dareon and Pip mixed up initially, and was thinking Dareon plays a role later on and it was weird.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Pretty weak episode by GoT standards.

The cheap Hollywood "romance in the middle of war" with Snow/Ygritte was awful, kinda like Oberyn leaving Jason "The Mountain" Vorhees alive while gloating last week... but last week's episode was so good, you could over look that one bit of cheese - not so much this week.

 

Allistair again shows us that nobody's totally good or bad - huge asswhole, but great leader in battle.

 

So, if we're comparing GoT "big battles", Blackwater (imo) was much better than this one.

[phillybear 366]

4.9 The Watchers on the Wall.

 

Jon Snow is a cuunt. No way around it. He sways with the wind with his plans and loyalties. Winterfell, The Night Watch, The Wildlings, Ygritte, his wolf, The Night Watch again, now he has quit on his men again and walked off alone to meet Mance Rayder. He seems to switch sides constantly, mostly for selfish reasons. He’s not a hero. He may be a natural leader, just not a good nor a just leader. It feels like he is completely deserting the Night Watch yet again. Maybe he gets taken prisoner and remains alive. But without him around, the rest of the Watch will fall apart rather easily. I have a new respect for Ser Alliser because he was right to treat Jon Snow like the garbage that he is. Fock ‘em. And if Jon Snow ends up a hero down the road in the author’s mind, I’ll find that old fat fock and choke the life out of Martin myself. Whoever follows Jon Snow will always die. Always. Except for retards. Because, just like it’s taboo to kill dogs on screen because people whine about killing innocent creatures, you apparently can’t kill the simpletons. I don’t know if Sam and Jon is closer to the extremely h0m0 relationship of Frodo and Sam from Lord of the Rings, or maybe snarky BlackAdder and idiot Baldrick from the Black Adder British series of 4 seasons, but it’s just annoying as fock. Does anybody realize how close Jon and Sam came to talking about cuckolding at the beginning, as they discussed women and touching and stuff. This was sooooo much more creepy as last week’s skull crushing was; nobody wants to see a fat nekkid Sam prepping the bull. *shuddering*

 

I don’t think there is any doubt at this point that The Wildlings are the heroes. I was quite disappointed they lost this first battle, but am encouraged that they will eventually prevail. Reality is that the invaders from the South put up this wall to keep out the clans of people and tried to kill them off. White Walker stuff be damned. The Night Watch are nearly all a bunch of murderers, thieves, criminals that were too cowardly to face a noble and quick death and instead choose to spend the rest of their lives guarding a stupid wall. There is only one group with a noble cause, The Wildlings. Ransacking a village like Mole Town is nothing compared to what the members of Night Watch have done during their lives. Time to tear down the Wall. Go Mance Rayder!!

 

Other random thoughts: the camera work, the spinning 360 degree camera shots in the courtyard during the battle at the bottom of the South Wall, that was using a drone, right? Some really creative techniques there. Hell, considering this is a TV show, it was a hell of a job putting this episode together, the fights, the CGI, props, the weapons, everything. The pacing of the episode was excellent. You felt the tension from the start, and it kept ramping up and building throughout. In the end Ygritte was the very definition of Crazy Pussie. You just knew she is going to be trouble, but she’s smoking hot. So you screw her, and then she spends the rest of her life trying to destroy your life until one of you ends up dead. And, yes, it’s totally worth it. Would she ever have let go of that arrow to shoot Jon? With Crazy Pussie, you really never know. I know that Giants are typically stupid. But when one of them lifts up the garage door and slips inside, does the obvious thought of propping the door open spark up anywhere inside that peabrain. I laughed as the giant arrow hit someone flush and launched them over the other side of the Wall. Why of why, after last week’s Princess Bride rip off, did we not hear any chanting from the top of the Wall, such as: “I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!”

[OldMaid 2,130]

Pretty weak episode by GoT standards.

The cheap Hollywood "romance in the middle of war" with Snow/Ygritte was awful, kinda like Oberyn leaving Jason "The Mountain" Vorhees alive while gloating last week... but last week's episode was so good, you could over look that one bit of cheese - not so much this week.

 

Allistair again shows us that nobody's totally good or bad - huge asswhole, but great leader in battle.

 

So, if we're comparing GoT "big battles", Blackwater (imo) was much better than this one.

 

But... but... this one had mammoths and giants.

[TD Ryan2 316]

But... but... this one had mammoths and giants.

and it was a tall order to pull off the "100,000" army at the wall... they just couldn't show the scale of it all enough... 100.000 and we see one Giant and 10 guys with spears charge the gate?

We saw maybe 40 or 50 guys climbing the Wall... that's it... and to be fair, that "anchor" that swings across the wall was pretty kick ass... but, but, there's another 999, 950 wildlings to go?

[OldMaid 2,130]

and it was a tall order to pull off the "100,000" army at the wall... they just couldn't show the scale of it all enough... 100.000 and we see one Giant and 10 guys with spears charge the gate?

We saw maybe 40 or 50 guys climbing the Wall... that's it... and to be fair, that "anchor" that swings across the wall was pretty kick ass... but, but, there's another 999, 950 wildlings to go?

999,950 wildlings on the wall

999,950 wildlings

Shoot one down, he falls to the ground

999,949 wildlings on the wall

[parrot 789]

Book this book that fockoff homos. Gonna start a none book thread so you homos can talk about the books in here.

 

 

You hadn't posted in this thread for a year until you felt the need to b!tch about people posting about the books.

[TD Ryan2 316]

999,950 wildlings on the wall

999,950 wildlings

Shoot one down, he falls to the ground

999,949 wildlings on the wall

 

they don't have 100,000 arrows.

100 Crows could not kill that many attackers firing as fast and as long as humanly possible.

The Wall should have looked like a 100,000 ants were all crawling up/over it (IMO).... never mind the fact that the gate was breached and an army was attacking from the South.

 

Also, nice to see Master Aemon got to tap so hot ass back in the day - my only fear is that as a Targaryan, it was his sister.

[phillybear 366]

and it was a tall order to pull off the "100,000" army at the wall... they just couldn't show the scale of it all enough... 100.000 and we see one Giant and 10 guys with spears charge the gate?

We saw maybe 40 or 50 guys climbing the Wall... that's it... and to be fair, that "anchor" that swings across the wall was pretty kick ass... but, but, there's another 999, 950 wildlings to go?

 

If it was a 300 million dollar movie, they could have done more.

 

But, it's a one hour cable show. All things considered, I thought they did a very nice job.

[parrot 789]

I thought it was a good episode. I thought the battle scenes were very well done, as well as the payoff scene with Jon/Ygritte. I wish Ghost had done more damage. It looked like he killed one guy then settled in for a meal.

[edjr 6,606]

It's simple really.,.

 

If you fall in love with a Stark you die..

 

The hound better watch himself

[CantTouchThis 23]

I thought it was a good episode. I thought the battle scenes were very well done, as well as the payoff scene with Jon/Ygritte. I wish Ghost had done more damage. It looked like he killed one guy then settled in for a meal.

 

It sucks that the direwolves and the dragons cost 10 trillion dollars a minute to shoot because we barely see them as a result. That is definitely something cool about the books, we see them a sh1t ton and even get a lot of POV from the direwolves, which were some of my favorite bits to read.

 

This episode had a weird effect with viewers. Those that haven't read the books tend to be disappointed, presumably because we took a break from all the other stuff, which I thought was a relief actually to not be jumping around.

 

I thought the battle was done better in the show than the books. Compared to Blackwater, this was a lot more disorganized and chaotic but that is how it was suppose to be, and they did a great job with it.

 

The Ygritte scene was too built up and obvious. That is my one and only nitpick about this episode. They have nailed the last two episodes.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Well the people clambering for big battle scenes finally got what they wanted. However the result was one of the least compelling GoT episodes ever. The battle scenes were cool and all (sweet camera work!) but I had little vested interest in anything except Jon Snow's fate.

 

Was glad to see that creepy ass cannibal get kilt though

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

they don't have 100,000 arrows.

100 Crows could not kill that many attackers firing as fast and as long as humanly possible.

The Wall should have looked like a 100,000 ants were all crawling up/over it (IMO).... never mind the fact that the gate was breached and an army was attacking from the South.

This was sorta explained a bit at the end: the wildling army was just testing their defenses so it was a scaled back version of a full-on attack. Why? I don't know. When you have a 1,000:1 advantage in manpower a full bore, overwhelming onslaught would seem the way to go. Then again the wildlings didn't know there were that few knight's watch.

[mobb_deep 920]

What exactly is John Snow trying to accomplish by hanging out with Rayner again? Maybe talk him into turning them all around and being killed by the walkers? Make nice and climb on up to Castle Black and hide from the walkers togethe? You'd think he'd bring his sword of he planned on killing him.