***Official Seattle Seahawks Thread 2012***

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Should be a good game. The D and Lynch need to come ready to work. Hopefully Seattle can catch a break or two on special teams as well, they'll need all the points they can get.

[phillybear 366]

Holy fock balls. New England's defense sucks a d!ck. They made Wilson look good. Nobody, NOBODY this season has made Wilson look good. Until now.

 

HAPPY. HAPPY. JOY. JOY.

[Hawkfin 32]

Holy fock balls. New England's defense sucks a d!ck. They made Wilson look good. Nobody, NOBODY this season has made Wilson look good. Until now.

 

HAPPY. HAPPY. JOY. JOY.

Give it a rest Philybear..... Wilson is a rookie and he's doing pretty dam good with what he's been asked to do. He's only going to get better with playing time. I like the kid!

 

Let it go and give support instead of trying to justify your evaluations. His deep balls were sweet. You add a true #1 wide next year and watch out.

 

Great win!

Wilson improvement - Playcalling Improvement.

[phillybear 366]

Give it a rest Philybear..... Wilson is a rookie and he's doing pretty dam good with what he's been asked to do. He's only going to get better with playing time. I like the kid!

 

Let it go and give support instead of trying to justify your evaluations. His deep balls were sweet. You add a true #1 wide next year and watch out.

 

Great win!

Wilson improvement - Playcalling Improvement.

 

I didn't say he didn't have a good game. He's been a train wreck for most of the season and it's nice to see him do a nice job today against an awful defense. Most weeks I'm miserable that we start a QB that throws for a 100 yards a game and 2 picks.

 

As miserable as I tend to be, and I a curmudgeon, I am almost happy right now. And that's saying something.

[phillybear 366]

After the upcoming Thursday night game vs San Fran, the Seahawks will have gotten every divisional road game out of the way. The early gauntlet of tough games is nearly past, and the number of wins to this point is a surprise and encouraging. The 2nd half of the season sets up nicely for a strong finish.

[eagles115 23]

After the upcoming Thursday night game vs San Fran, the Seahawks will have gotten every divisional road game out of the way. The early gauntlet of tough games is nearly past, and the number of wins to this point is a surprise and encouraging. The 2nd half of the season sets up nicely for a strong finish.

 

 

Seahawks suck...get over it you gaybirds

[uwmalcolm 74]

Seahawks suck...get over it you gaybirds

Haha! A little butthurt from your loss today?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Seahawks suck...get over it you gaybirds

 

I think Vick just turned the ball over again

 

Excellent win. Things were looking pretty grim but the team just kept on trucking. Wilson played very well. Brady could have had 3 or 4 INT's, he really dodged a few bullets. Two huge intentional grounding penalties complete with classic Brady reactions.

 

Welker (who had a hell of a game) is going to be sore tomorrow. Both Browner and Chancellor teed off on him.

 

The Sidney Rice touchdown was gorgeous. Great route, great throw.

 

HUGE win against a very good team. The type of win that could spur a team to rally the rest of the season.

 

Monster game Thursday against a Niner team that just got spanked at home.

 

It's an exciting time to be a "Gaybirds" fan.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

After the upcoming Thursday night game vs San Fran, the Seahawks will have gotten every divisional road game out of the way. The early gauntlet of tough games is nearly past, and the number of wins to this point is a surprise and encouraging. The 2nd half of the season sets up nicely for a strong finish.

 

Before the season began who would have thought their 2 losses would be at Arizona and St. Louis?

 

SF, AZ and STL all lose!!

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Also, Jason Jones got the credit, but Chris Clemons made the play on that big sack on the game's last possession.

[Hawkfin 32]

I didn't say he didn't have a good game. He's been a train wreck for most of the season and it's nice to see him do a nice job today against an awful defense. Most weeks I'm miserable that we start a QB that throws for a 100 yards a game and 2 picks.

 

As miserable as I tend to be, and I a curmudgeon, I am almost happy right now. And that's saying something.

It's all good...

 

I just think Wilson is not as grim as you keep saying, and you should give him some credit. He makes plays with his feet and arm and gets out of trouble, while always looking down field. He's still growing into a Pro QB and it could even take all year for him.

I still blame the wides for not getting open also. (Which they did a great job today)

 

Arizona and St. Louis both have a tough Def and it was on the road. Rookie QB is going to have some struggles on the road.

I couldn't be more happy with our record right now with that sched and a 3rd round rookie QB starting.

 

The Sched does get easier for the stretch run. Our Oline looks like its improving somewhat also.

If our play calling opens up like this game and the wides keep it up, and Wilson continoues to grow, then good things are going to come.

 

Huge game on Thursday night football! Looking forward to it!

Should be a great game. Wish it was at home, but should be fun.

[phillybear 366]

Well, it's half a day after a big win, and I still can't wrap my head around how Rice got behind 2 defenders and was wide open with less than 2 minutes to go. How does that happen? I just can't fathom it. How can the safeties let that happen?

[donhaas 18]

Is Phillybear still cryin' for Flynn to start? :lol:

 

 

 

Good win

[phillybear 366]

Is Phillybear still cryin' for Flynn to start? :lol:

 

Never mind my obsessive critiques. You simply can't be satisfied. Ever.

 

Higher expectations produce better results.

[FlaHawker 24]

Gotta love Richard Sherman

 

Richard Sherman trash talks Brady

 

And while the temptation is to point out that Brady is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and Sherman, who had an interception Sunday, is just a second-year pro, we have to admit we love the attitude of this Seahawks defense.

 

They are a different team to prepare for. They are physical, with great depth. Their secondary is massive.

 

They will fight to the fourth quarter, and they'll tell you about it afterward.

 

[Kopy 559]

[Fantasy Noob 10]

Huge win for us. Wilson had nice touch on his passes and in particular that last one to Rice was very sweet. Rice had been letting him down all day and he still releases that ball before Rice makes his second move to break free inside the corner, he was not open when that pass was released. Love the decision to go for it late in the fourth quarter, Edwards got away with a push off but I think that was the turning point in the game. Carrol showing faith in Wilson to get the TD, most coaches kick a meaningless FG there and then try the onside kick. I wonder how much it has to do with opening up the playbook a bit too, they took more shots down field than in all the previous games combined.

 

Wilson showed something out there but he also caused at least 2 holding penalties by doing his best Barry Sanders imitation out there, he has got to stop scrambling backwards. I think our O-line is getting a bit of a bad rap due to Wilson's rather odd scrambles, still they worked for the day.

 

I think Chung was hurt early in the fourth quarter, he might not have been on the field, that might have been his backup out there. But still not sure how 2 guys get beat deep when thats the only way you can lose the game.

 

Big game on thursday, after an emberassing loss to the Giants the 49ers are going to be fired up, this will be a tough one. We badly need this next win, going 0-3 in the division would put us in a tough spot, the NFC is going to have a lot of teams with very good records.

[Groundhog 24]

After the upcoming Thursday night game vs San Fran, the Seahawks will have gotten every divisional road game out of the way. The early gauntlet of tough games is nearly past, and the number of wins to this point is a surprise and encouraging. The 2nd half of the season sets up nicely for a strong finish.

 

[phillybear 366]

What an opportunity to take control of the division. In a season of season defining games (Dallas, Green Bay, New England), this one is even bigger.

 

A national TV audience will sit back and watch two physical NFC West teams beat the living sh!t out of each other.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Two coaches that hate the sh!t out of each other too.

[phillybear 366]

I'm at work now. Woke up at 3:00 AM after a solid 2 hours of sleep. I had to pass up a scheduled vacation day today and finish a project that may keep me at work until the wee hours of the night. I have a 101.5 fever at the moment, but that will definite go up. I watched the game with a neighbor that spent the entire night explaining in great detail how much our QB sucks. Worse, this is an Eagles fan ripping our QB situation. I swear to God, I'm going to go around the office and piss in everybody's coffee cups before the next person comes in.

 

Oh, Russell Wilson and our entire WR corps. They suck. You can't play NE's shitty defense every week. Sometimes, you actually have to perform. What was the stat? Wilson threw for -2 yards in the second half. Lynch was slicing through the SF defense like a hot knife through butter. And you put up a lousy 6 points? Really? REALLY? Oh, I hate my life.

[FlaHawker 24]

I'm at work now. Woke up at 3:00 AM after a solid 2 hours of sleep. I had to pass up a scheduled vacation day today and finish a project that may keep me at work until the wee hours of the night. I have a 101.5 fever at the moment, but that will definite go up. I watched the game with a neighbor that spent the entire night explaining in great detail how much our QB sucks. Worse, this is an Eagles fan ripping our QB situation. I swear to God, I'm going to go around the office and piss in everybody's coffee cups before the next person comes in.

 

Oh, Russell Wilson and our entire WR corps. They suck. You can't play NE's shitty defense every week. Sometimes, you actually have to perform. What was the stat? Wilson threw for -2 yards in the second half. Lynch was slicing through the SF defense like a hot knife through butter. And you put up a lousy 6 points? Really? REALLY? Oh, I hate my life.

Beating the Russell Wilson sucks drum is getting old and, quite frankly, is unfair. If Turbin, Moore, and Tate catch the ball, different ball game. If anything, we are clearly seeing that this team needs a major WR overhaul this upcoming offseason. Edwards, gone; Tate, should be gone; Rice, keep him but re-do his contract; Obamanu, gone.

[kutulu 1,661]

If Turbin, Moore, and Tate catch the ball, different ball game.

 

I feel asleep for large parts of the 2nd half...but I did see that Turbin drop. That was horrible...that one drop could have changed the game.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I'm at work now. Woke up at 3:00 AM after a solid 2 hours of sleep. I had to pass up a scheduled vacation day today and finish a project that may keep me at work until the wee hours of the night. I have a 101.5 fever at the moment, but that will definite go up. I watched the game with a neighbor that spent the entire night explaining in great detail how much our QB sucks. Worse, this is an Eagles fan ripping our QB situation. I swear to God, I'm going to go around the office and piss in everybody's coffee cups before the next person comes in.

 

Oh, Russell Wilson and our entire WR corps. They suck. You can't play NE's shitty defense every week. Sometimes, you actually have to perform. What was the stat? Wilson threw for -2 yards in the second half. Lynch was slicing through the SF defense like a hot knife through butter. And you put up a lousy 6 points? Really? REALLY? Oh, I hate my life.

 

That's funny, I was watching with a die hard 49ers fan and our conversation was about how much Smith sucks. He just has a much better team around him. He's a capable game manager that can look good when everything goes his way.

[jgcrawfish 232]

How long until a Matt Flynn sighting?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

How long until a Matt Flynn sighting?

 

Whether we like it or not (and I'm going back and forth on it weekly)probably not until Wilson gets hurt. Carroll is casting his lot with the rookie.

[mahoney 9]

Beating the Russell Wilson sucks drum is getting old and, quite frankly, is unfair. If Turbin, Moore, and Tate catch the ball, different ball game. If anything, we are clearly seeing that this team needs a major WR overhaul this upcoming offseason. Edwards, gone; Tate, should be gone; Rice, keep him but re-do his contract; Obamanu, gone.

 

Obamanu had reception and later fell by tripping over his own feet (a la Eric Decker). Could have had another 20 or so yards since he had a blocker with him too...

[Joey Gladstone 33]

We have to keep in mind that Wilson was playing the best defense in the league, at home, in a hostile environment, on national television. Not making excuses, if we want to be a big boy team we need a QB that can handle these types of situations...and for a while he was doing that.

 

Could Flynn have done better? No idea. Anybody who says they do is talking out of their ass. Like I said in another thread, if Wilson sucks against the Lions I think we can start questioning him again.

 

Focking roller coaster

[donhaas 18]

We have to keep in mind that Wilson was playing the best defense in the league, at home, in a hostile environment, on national television. Not making excuses, if we want to be a big boy team we need a QB that can handle these types of situations...and for a while he was doing that.

 

Could Flynn have done better? No idea. Anybody who says they do is talking out of their ass. Like I said in another thread, if Wilson sucks against the Lions I think we can start questioning him again.

 

Focking roller coaster

 

I agree with your assessment... He played about as well as Alex Smith.... who was at home and has been in the league for years and years and years...

 

Russell is only going to continue to get better and better as he learns defenses and learns how to play in the NFL .... while Smith has maxed out...

 

Wilson is nothing if not smart and hard working... by throwing him into the fire, they have accelerated his ascent.

 

 

Carroll is building this team to be a force for the long run.... He could care less what fickle fans cry about in the meantime...

 

 

I like to think of it as the Packer mentality.... or maybe the anti-Cowboy mentality

[Kopy 559]

The kid has 7 career games under his belt, in a run oriented offense.

You add in the fact that only 2 recievers can catch the ball. No one can get any seperation, an when they do they either drop the pass or they fall down. And the Te's have been used to help block.

 

Considering all this. The kids done alright by me.

 

We need a stud WR, PERIOD!!! Not a FA retread. But a young stud prospect to take the double off of Rice, and open the middle for Baldwin and Miller. And you watch this O become a duel threat.

[phillybear 366]

You all are looking but not seeing. Sure the wide receivers are dropping passes. And making acrobatic catches of poorly thrown balls too, i.e. Rice. A few numbers:

 

Seattle is averaging 16 points per game, which is 31st in the league.

Seattle is #31 in the NFL in passing offense.

 

Russell Wilson total passing yards per game: 153,151,130,160,221,293,122. That is an average of 176 per game. Toss out the game vs a horrific New England pass defense. That takes the average down to 156 yards per game.

 

Russell Wilson is tied for 8th in Interceptions thrown.

 

So, we have an interception prone game manager who can't lead this team to score any points and can't throw for any yardage whatsoever. Open your eyes people. A QB is supposed to make the players around him better. Right now, Wilson is an anchor dragging this talented team down with him. It's a miracle this team is 4-3 because of Wilson. Are the numbers lying? I don't even see the occasional flashes of brilliance we see out of the other rookie QBs this year.

 

I'm a numbers cruncher. Wilson makes me uncomfortable. I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic to this point in time. I hope Wilson proves me wrong.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

You all are looking but not seeing. Sure the wide receivers are dropping passes. And making acrobatic catches of poorly thrown balls too, i.e. Rice. A few numbers:

 

Seattle is averaging 16 points per game, which is 31st in the league.

Seattle is #31 in the NFL in passing offense.

 

Russell Wilson total passing yards per game: 153,151,130,160,221,293,122. That is an average of 176 per game. Toss out the game vs a horrific New England pass defense. That takes the average down to 156 yards per game.

 

Russell Wilson is tied for 8th in Interceptions thrown.

 

So, we have an interception prone game manager who can't lead this team to score any points and can't throw for any yardage whatsoever. Open your eyes people. A QB is supposed to make the players around him better. Right now, Wilson is an anchor dragging this talented team down with him. It's a miracle this team is 4-3 because of Wilson. Are the numbers lying? I don't even see the occasional flashes of brilliance we see out of the other rookie QBs this year.

 

I'm a numbers cruncher. Wilson makes me uncomfortable. I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic to this point in time. I hope Wilson proves me wrong.

 

I'm not completely disagreeing. He was looking pretty damn sharp in the first half when drops were destroying his drives. He does deserve a good portion of the blame for the offense's pathetic showing in the 2nd half.

 

Again, I want to see the Detroit game. If it's another 150 and a pick and we drop to 4-4, I'll be less defensive.

[FlaHawker 24]

You all are looking but not seeing. Sure the wide receivers are dropping passes. And making acrobatic catches of poorly thrown balls too, i.e. Rice. A few numbers:

 

Seattle is averaging 16 points per game, which is 31st in the league.

Seattle is #31 in the NFL in passing offense.

 

Russell Wilson total passing yards per game: 153,151,130,160,221,293,122. That is an average of 176 per game. Toss out the game vs a horrific New England pass defense. That takes the average down to 156 yards per game.

 

Russell Wilson is tied for 8th in Interceptions thrown.

 

So, we have an interception prone game manager who can't lead this team to score any points and can't throw for any yardage whatsoever. Open your eyes people. A QB is supposed to make the players around him better. Right now, Wilson is an anchor dragging this talented team down with him. It's a miracle this team is 4-3 because of Wilson. Are the numbers lying? I don't even see the occasional flashes of brilliance we see out of the other rookie QBs this year.

 

I'm a numbers cruncher. Wilson makes me uncomfortable. I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic to this point in time. I hope Wilson proves me wrong.

Here is a real good read on why Wilson is starting and not Matt Flynn. The author freely admits that this article is pure opinion/speculation. But the specualtion makes perfect sense in that Flynn chose to vacation and relax when signed by Seattle while Wilson chose to come to work every day and prepare. That is a big deal to PC/JS. Thus the article is a strong indictment on Matt Flynn's leadership skills and work ethic.

 

I think we are all "seeing" what is happening. No one here is claiming the Hawks passsing game is better than it is. However, to simply fall back on stats and then pick and choose the ones you want to omit (the NE game) is not fair to Wilson either in the sense that PC has bottled up this passing game purposely (his words). Wilson has 4 wins, and the Hawks with a few less dropped passes could, arguably, have won all three division road games despite the low passing game #s you cite.

 

Cam Newton was the talk of the town last year both in real and fanatsy football. How's he look this year? The Panthers are 1-5. The GM just got fired. Andy Dalton made the playoffs last year; the Bengals are 3-4 this year and look no better than last year. RG III and Andrew Luck have been allowed to open up the engines. Neither, though, has a winning record despite playing less than the stout D's Wilson has faced. I'm not comparing Wilson to these QBs nor am I saying he is better than the QBs listed. However, to try and make a fair comparison between these guys is unfair because of the circumstances that surround the QB situation in each city.

 

Bottom line--Matt Flynn blew his opportunity by not working hard after signing a big contract. Would he be better than Wislon? Honestly, I don't know but I'm not convinced. The guy had a 6 TD game against a horrific Lions secondary with a WR core that is arguably the deepest in football. Unless Wilson gets hurt, he is starting. Love it or hate it, that is what the hawks are rolling with. The Hawks have been in every game despite the poor passing offense. Let's hope PC and Bevell open it up and that the WRs catch a few more balls. If they do, this team has a solid shot at the playoffs with Wilson at the helm.

[phillybear 366]

Here is a real good read on why Wilson is starting and not Matt Flynn. The author freely admits that this article is pure opinion/speculation. But the specualtion makes perfect sense in that Flynn chose to vacation and relax when signed by Seattle while Wilson chose to come to work every day and prepare. That is a big deal to PC/JS. Thus the article is a strong indictment on Matt Flynn's leadership skills and work ethic.

 

I think we are all "seeing" what is happening. No one here is claiming the Hawks passsing game is better than it is. However, to simply fall back on stats and then pick and choose the ones you want to omit (the NE game) is not fair to Wilson either in the sense that PC has bottled up this passing game purposely (his words). Wilson has 4 wins, and the Hawks with a few less dropped passes could, arguably, have won all three division road games despite the low passing game #s you cite.

 

Cam Newton was the talk of the town last year both in real and fanatsy football. How's he look this year? The Panthers are 1-5. The GM just got fired. Andy Dalton made the playoffs last year; the Bengals are 3-4 this year and look no better than last year. RG III and Andrew Luck have been allowed to open up the engines. Neither, though, has a winning record despite playing less than the stout D's Wilson has faced. I'm not comparing Wilson to these QBs nor am I saying he is better than the QBs listed. However, to try and make a fair comparison between these guys is unfair because of the circumstances that surround the QB situation in each city.

 

Bottom line--Matt Flynn blew his opportunity by not working hard after signing a big contract. Would he be better than Wislon? Honestly, I don't know but I'm not convinced. The guy had a 6 TD game against a horrific Lions secondary with a WR core that is arguably the deepest in football. Unless Wilson gets hurt, he is starting. Love it or hate it, that is what the hawks are rolling with. The Hawks have been in every game despite the poor passing offense. Let's hope PC and Bevell open it up and that the WRs catch a few more balls. If they do, this team has a solid shot at the playoffs with Wilson at the helm.

 

We can't put stock into a speculative article. In fact, one of the consistent facts we heard prior to signing Flynn was how much of a student of the game he was, spending countless hours watching film with Aaron Rodgers. All of the sudden, he got lazy. With no proof. Flynn never got outplayed in the preseason, where a lack of leadership and preparation would have shown up. He was razor sharp, leading the Seahawks to a number of scoring drives against 1st string defenses. Wilson torched 3rd stringers, except for the game where the faced the horrific Chiefs defense missing 3/4 of their starting secondary. Oh, and Flynn was the victim of WR drops more than any other preseason QB in the entire NFL. Am I cherry picking stats? Hell, no. I singled out the NE game, and by the way Mark freaking Sanchez looked good vs that same secondary on Sunday too, but I included all stats for all games, and they are shitty across the board. The Seahawks have been in control of one, ONE, single solitary game this year. One. This team could easily be 1-6. The three losses, a controversial ending to Green Bay, a fluke WR getting behind two defenders in the final two minutes vs NE, a second half comeback and goal line stand vs Carolina, I mean, this team could be among the worst in the league record wise while having a sh!tload of talent. Was I fan of Cam Newton. Never for a moment in my life. I was ripping him in college for cheating and taking payola from Auburn while the NCAA ignored the obvious cheating in order to prevent TCU from playing in a national title game and preserving the corrupt BCS. I thought his talents translated poorly to the NFL and called him a bust during the draft two years ago. But what do I know? The Bengals have a fine QB in Dalton. They have less talent surrounding him and a moron for a head coach and a skeleton thin scouting staff and stingy owner. Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden, all these guys have teams that are worse than Seattle. Those teams are trying to find a QB to build around. Seattle is a team that built a team and is looking for a QB to drop into the slot. Less pressure, less expectations, less to do for a QB. And Wilson still can't get it right. Seattle can't open up the offense because they don't trust Wilson to do so. Could you say the same if Flynn was starting? I have no idea. I am still dizzy trying to figure out what mysterious reason Carroll had for annointing Wilson the chosen one. Schneider claimed Wilson was the 3rd overall player on the Seattle draft board. If that is the case, I have to question his sanity. Sure, Wilson was better than every single defensive player in the draft, assuming Luck and Griffin were 1 and 2. Flynn made a mistake in signing in Seattle thinking that Carroll was a man of his word. Open competition for every position at all times. Tell me, what has Wilson done that has kept Flynn from getting a shot. Will we keep waiting until we drop out of the playoff race? The division race is over. The wildcard will be hard to secure. Wilson has had one single decent game vs a terrible NFL secondary. Flynn showed he can play even better against terrible NFL secondaries. I'm sick of everybody licking Wilson's ass and claiming their tongues don't stink. If Wilson was such a great student of the game, why don't they trust him running a more open offense?

 

Nothing personal. Just my typical frustrations bubbling to the surface. I'm about to carry a box of kittens to the roof of a highrise and try some long distance punting.

[FlaHawker 24]

We can't put stock into a speculative article. In fact, one of the consistent facts we heard prior to signing Flynn was how much of a student of the game he was, spending countless hours watching film with Aaron Rodgers. All of the sudden, he got lazy. With no proof. Flynn never got outplayed in the preseason, where a lack of leadership and preparation would have shown up. He was razor sharp, leading the Seahawks to a number of scoring drives against 1st string defenses. Wilson torched 3rd stringers, except for the game where the faced the horrific Chiefs defense missing 3/4 of their starting secondary. Oh, and Flynn was the victim of WR drops more than any other preseason QB in the entire NFL. Am I cherry picking stats? Hell, no. I singled out the NE game, and by the way Mark freaking Sanchez looked good vs that same secondary on Sunday too, but I included all stats for all games, and they are shitty across the board. The Seahawks have been in control of one, ONE, single solitary game this year. One. This team could easily be 1-6. The three losses, a controversial ending to Green Bay, a fluke WR getting behind two defenders in the final two minutes vs NE, a second half comeback and goal line stand vs Carolina, I mean, this team could be among the worst in the league record wise while having a sh!tload of talent. Was I fan of Cam Newton. Never for a moment in my life. I was ripping him in college for cheating and taking payola from Auburn while the NCAA ignored the obvious cheating in order to prevent TCU from playing in a national title game and preserving the corrupt BCS. I thought his talents translated poorly to the NFL and called him a bust during the draft two years ago. But what do I know? The Bengals have a fine QB in Dalton. They have less talent surrounding him and a moron for a head coach and a skeleton thin scouting staff and stingy owner. Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden, all these guys have teams that are worse than Seattle. Those teams are trying to find a QB to build around. Seattle is a team that built a team and is looking for a QB to drop into the slot. Less pressure, less expectations, less to do for a QB. And Wilson still can't get it right. Seattle can't open up the offense because they don't trust Wilson to do so. Could you say the same if Flynn was starting? I have no idea. I am still dizzy trying to figure out what mysterious reason Carroll had for annointing Wilson the chosen one. Schneider claimed Wilson was the 3rd overall player on the Seattle draft board. If that is the case, I have to question his sanity. Sure, Wilson was better than every single defensive player in the draft, assuming Luck and Griffin were 1 and 2. Flynn made a mistake in signing in Seattle thinking that Carroll was a man of his word. Open competition for every position at all times. Tell me, what has Wilson done that has kept Flynn from getting a shot. Will we keep waiting until we drop out of the playoff race? The division race is over. The wildcard will be hard to secure. Wilson has had one single decent game vs a terrible NFL secondary. Flynn showed he can play even better against terrible NFL secondaries. I'm sick of everybody licking Wilson's ass and claiming their tongues don't stink. If Wilson was such a great student of the game, why don't they trust him running a more open offense?

 

Nothing personal. Just my typical frustrations bubbling to the surface. I'm about to carry a box of kittens to the roof of a highrise and try some long distance punting.

You are asking questions that cannot be answered by outsiders. None of us know what is happening behind closed doors. However, there are no stories out of Seattle that talk about Flynn's work ethic and leadership. None. The guy has also taken his demotion lying down. I see no fight in the guy. His sideline body language is one of a guy who doesn't care. Now again, this is from an outsider's perspective. The point is simple though: forget Matt Flytnn. Wilson is our QB. To keep beating the drum is pointless. Wilson will either take us to the playoffs or we will miss them because of him. However, Matt Flynn is no savior. He was just the best of a bad lot fo FA QBs this offseason and the Hawks had to bring in someone to compete with TJAX.

[Hawkfin 32]

We can't put stock into a speculative article. In fact, one of the consistent facts we heard prior to signing Flynn was how much of a student of the game he was, spending countless hours watching film with Aaron Rodgers. All of the sudden, he got lazy. With no proof. Flynn never got outplayed in the preseason, where a lack of leadership and preparation would have shown up. He was razor sharp, leading the Seahawks to a number of scoring drives against 1st string defenses. Wilson torched 3rd stringers, except for the game where the faced the horrific Chiefs defense missing 3/4 of their starting secondary. Oh, and Flynn was the victim of WR drops more than any other preseason QB in the entire NFL. Am I cherry picking stats? Hell, no. I singled out the NE game, and by the way Mark Sanchez looked good vs that same secondary on Sunday too, but I included all stats for all games, and they are shitty across the board. The Seahawks have been in control of one, ONE, single solitary game this year. One. This team could easily be 1-6. The three losses, a controversial ending to Green Bay, a fluke WR getting behind two defenders in the final two minutes vs NE, a second half comeback and goal line stand vs Carolina, I mean, this team could be among the worst in the league record wise while having a sh!tload of talent. Was I fan of Cam Newton. Never for a moment in my life. I was ripping him in college for cheating and taking payola from Auburn while the NCAA ignored the obvious cheating in order to prevent TCU from playing in a national title game and preserving the corrupt BCS. I thought his talents translated poorly to the NFL and called him a bust during the draft two years ago. But what do I know? The Bengals have a fine QB in Dalton. They have less talent surrounding him and a moron for a head coach and a skeleton thin scouting staff and stingy owner. Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden, all these guys have teams that are worse than Seattle. Those teams are trying to find a QB to build around. Seattle is a team that built a team and is looking for a QB to drop into the slot. Less pressure, less expectations, less to do for a QB. And Wilson still can't get it right. Seattle can't open up the offense because they don't trust Wilson to do so. Could you say the same if Flynn was starting? I have no idea. I am still dizzy trying to figure out what mysterious reason Carroll had for annointing Wilson the chosen one. Schneider claimed Wilson was the 3rd overall player on the Seattle draft board. If that is the case, I have to question his sanity. Sure, Wilson was better than every single defensive player in the draft, assuming Luck and Griffin were 1 and 2. Flynn made a mistake in signing in Seattle thinking that Carroll was a man of his word. Open competition for every position at all times. Tell me, what has Wilson done that has kept Flynn from getting a shot. Will we keep waiting until we drop out of the playoff race? The division race is over. The wildcard will be hard to secure. Wilson has had one single decent game vs a terrible NFL secondary. Flynn showed he can play even better against terrible NFL secondaries. I'm sick of everybody licking Wilson's ass and claiming their tongues don't stink.

 

Nothing personal. Just my typical frustrations bubbling to the surface. I'm about to carry a box of kittens to the roof of a highrise and try some long distance punting.

 

Great Post - I agree with all that!

 

IF you look at just the numbers like Philybear say's, then you can't argue with numbers. It doesn't look that good. Valid points.

Some of the D's we've played are some of the best in the league though.

 

 

BUT, to me Wilson passes the eye test during games....... WHEN he's being asked to throw he makes plays or keeps the drive alive for the most part. There's a lot more then just Wilson going on too. Sometimes wides not getting open, Sometimes no time, Dropped balls, Penalty's, Play calling, to many 3rd downs to overcome.

 

Overall, Wilson makes plays to me when I watch him. If it's not his feet, it's his deep ball or accuracy. That pump fake and pass to Turbin was so sweet. That play alone would have changed the stats by a lot and should have been a TD.

 

To me he puts the ball in position for the catch and seems very accurate. I don't see Int's being an issue. His deep balls are some of the best ever that I've seen in Seattle. Not saying much.

 

When the game is on the line, he is moving the ball down the field for game winning drives.

He's cool, calm, and accurate for the most part. He works hard, Study of the game, ala P. Manning.

 

All this for a rookie with 7 games in. Who knows what we have yet? P. Manning struggled his first year. Brees was let go.

 

The big test will actually be next year. Does he improve? Regress?

Bradford looked like a stud. Now what? I think Newton will be ok, but he was a stud now what?

Remember R. Mirer. He came out with impressive stats and then was never the same.

 

So putting up stats the rookie year is meaningless really. We are not built that way anyway, as we run first. If he keeps improving each game and into next year. Or keeps winning, things are good.

 

I really think Flynn would be no better. Maybe worse if Flynn were to take sacks all the time. I personally think we have some of the worst Wide crew in the league.

 

QB's do make the players around them better. Good and true point. I would say this is the best Golden Tate has ever looked.

S. Rice is the only WR worth keeping, and he even needs to take a huge pay cut and become a #2 wide.

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You are asking questions that cannot be answered by outsiders. None of us know what is happening behind closed doors. However, there are no stories out of Seattle that talk about Flynn's work ethic and leadership. None. The guy has also taken his demotion lying down. I see no fight in the guy. His sideline body language is one of a guy who doesn't care. Now again, this is from an outsider's perspective. The point is simple though: forget Matt Flytnn. Wilson is our QB. To keep beating the drum is pointless. Wilson will either take us to the playoffs or we will miss them because of him. However, Matt Flynn is no savior. He was just the best of a bad lot fo FA QBs this offseason and the Hawks had to bring in someone to compete with TJAX.

 

Flynn is in a no-win situation. If he plays the good soldier and doesn't break ranks/complain, he's 'lying down', as you put it. If he does complain, well, he's sowing seeds of dissent, he's a locker room cancer, etc.. What would you have him do?

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Flynn is in a no-win situation. If he plays the good soldier and doesn't break ranks/complain, he's 'lying down', as you put it. If he does complain, well, he's sowing seeds of dissent, he's a locker room cancer, etc.. What would you have him do?

I never meant that he should complain. No where in my post did I say that. My point was that nothing is being reported about how he is "competing" to get the job. Where are all the stories about Flynn's work ethic? Where are the stories about how he shows up before Russell Wilson to prepapre? Then you combine that with the lackadaisical sideline demeanor and I am not suprised that PC decided to roll with Wilson. I may have missed this but where is Flynn on the sidelines talking to Wilson between series or sitting with Bevell and Wilson looking at photos. I haven't seen it. I just see Flynn slumping on the sidelines with his hands behind his back and his hat on backwards. That is not leadership. And when a team goes out and gives you a pretty good sized contract how about you get to work. You don't go on vacation and relax. That is why Matt Flynn is not the QB of the Seattle Seahawks.

[phillybear 366]

The Seattle Seahawks are dead last in the league, by a wide margin, in pass attempts per game at 25.0

 

The Seattle Seahawks are #22 in the league in completion percentage of passes.

 

The Seattle Seahawks are #22 in the league in pass yardage gained per pass.

 

Conclusion: Seattle never throws, but when they do, it's a short pass, that doesn't get completed.

 

Look, we all agree that WRs are lacking on this team. T.O. would have helped, in my opinion. But let's not forget Sidney Rice. He's an elite WR, or at least making elite money. Doug Baldwin led this team last year, right? Braylon Edwards is a veteran. Golden Tate is a 3 year WR, remember that old theory, that has been given a simplified playbook because he just couldn't figure things out. There are a couple of WRs on this team. There are supposed to be Tight Ends that can catch on this team too. And if you keep throwing short passes, don't tell me you need the TE to block on every play. I don't know, maybe cutting Kellen Winslow was a bad move because Evan Moore has done nothing too.

 

It's not like other young QBs have a talented cast around them either. We brought up Daulton. He has AJ Green and, well, Luck has Wayne, Griffin has nobody, Weeden has nobody, Tannehill has nobody, Ponder has Harvin, Gabbert has Blackmon, Newton has old Steve Smith...maybe I've overlooking some stuff, but none of these guys has more than one great WR around them. They make those players better, not depend on those guys to make themselves look better.

 

I'm the bad guy. I get it. I'm Mr Grumpypants. Maybe I'm loopy from this medicine I'm taking for the still lingering flu and upper respiratory infection. I told you guys that the Seahawks won't win a Superbowl until I die, so start a vigil now. I wish I saw more from Wilson. It seems like every other play he drops back, he rolls out of the pocket and throws the ball away to the sidelines. It's discouraging. If he strings a couple of decent games together, I'll shut up. I promise.

[Fantasy Noob 10]

Has anyone else noticed how inaccurate Wilson's passes are? Two in particular bother me. The deep bombs are often essentially jump balls into coverage he rarely catches the WR in stride and the short out to the sideline. He keeps throwing this short out to the Rice on the sideline and wings it about 2 feet over his head making Rice jump for it and open his body to the CB who drives on him and catches him flush in the ribs while driving him out of bounds.

 

Essentially our entire passing offense is the short crossing routes with deep bombs mixed in and he is inaccurate on both throws. Of course the drops aren't helping.

 

I had thought he was making progress with the NE comeback as a turning point and the drops in the 49er game essentially lost that game for us. I hate to admit it but now the only thing we can do now is ride out the Russel Wilsons show, either he proves he is a starting QB by the end of the season or we start Flynn for the last quarter of the season and see what we have there.

 

At WR the top free agents are likely Bowe and Jennings we will likely make a run at one of them. I like Baldwin alot but everyone else has been a failure. Braylon Edwards has his moments and might be the next most reliable option.

 

The big questions going into this season was the offense and we seem to have stabilized the O-line and found a nice complement at TE, along with a great RB combo with Lynch/Turbin. This just leaves QB/WR as the glaring issues this season. We are making progress it just hurts our weaknesses remain at such high profile positions.