FenixTx972 2 Posted December 11, 2012 Playoffs aren't a time to be starting a guy because of where you drafted him. I've had Rice for years now as my keeper, but the Broncos are hot and I'm not sure how the Ravens will respond to firing the OC. This was a QB coach, y'all. Broncos have allowed 4 rushing TDs all season. #6 Def vs fantasy RBs and a total of 3 100+ yard games. I'll be plugging in Moreno FWIW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyFourSeven 23 Posted December 11, 2012 I'm playing both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted December 11, 2012 We have a guy playing Rice and Denvers D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smashmouths@blf 33 Posted December 11, 2012 Good luck with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted December 11, 2012 lol Well said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted December 11, 2012 Moreno for Rice is a coinflip IMO. Trend goes to Moreno. New OC in Balt probably means more carries for Rice. We'll see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted December 11, 2012 I like Moreno this week, but other then Foster and Peterson, there aren't many running backs I'd bench Ray Rice for. I'm assuming Cameron got fired for under utilizing Rice, so I'd expect to see him touching the ball a lot from here on out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BufordT 372 Posted December 12, 2012 Playoffs aren't a time to be starting a guy because of where you drafted him. I've had Rice for years now as my keeper, but the Broncos are hot and I'm not sure how the Ravens will respond to firing the OC. This was a QB coach, y'all. Broncos have allowed 4 rushing TDs all season. #6 Def vs fantasy RBs and a total of 3 100+ yard games. I'll be plugging in Moreno FWIW Ummm....who's your other RB that's playing...Arian Foster?? Or maybe you only start one RB in this league?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squintz82 45 Posted December 12, 2012 Can't wait to read this thread on Monday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted December 12, 2012 Not as crazy as people are making it out to be. Moreno is hot, run d is weak, O as a whole clicking. On the other side, O is stumbling, rice been underutilized all year. Dunno if I'd do it but I don't have that choice to make. Easily plugging Moreno in over CJ1k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gridiron whirlwinds 2 Posted December 12, 2012 Put the crack pipe down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameDay Guru 1 Posted December 12, 2012 Ummm....who's your other RB that's playing...Arian Foster?? Or maybe you only start one RB in this league?? Read my mind, who else are you starting? Has to be AP or Arian? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiotekniQues 0 Posted December 12, 2012 starting both these mofos on sunday. but uhhh, yeah, rice never leaves the starting lineup this year. you know somewhere there is some putz who started bryce brown this past week over rice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagman77 0 Posted December 12, 2012 Limped into the playoffs with a 5-8 record due to injuries (Harvin, Murray and MJD) but timing is everything... I get to start 3 from these five RBs: Rice, Murray, MJD, Brown, Moreno. Week 15 will probably be Rice, Murray and Moreno. (Made the wrong call starting Brown over Moreno last week). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted December 12, 2012 but uhhh, yeah, rice never leaves the starting lineup this year. you know somewhere there is some putz who started bryce brown this past week over rice. ^this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 12, 2012 jeebus, I wish I had such tough decisions to completely screw up. It's one thing when you're like me and having to decide Moreno over say Ryan Mathews (a no brainer). But you simply cannot sit Ray Rice. All the guy does is average 19 pts a game (in PPR leagues) and has yet to have a non-double digit scoring week. He's the 3rd most consistent scoring back behind only Foster and Peterson. It's a long offseason when you get to think about what could have been had you not benched Ray Rice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted December 12, 2012 starting both these mofos on sunday. but uhhh, yeah, rice never leaves the starting lineup this year. you know somewhere there is some putz who started bryce brown this past week over rice. But if that same putz started Brown over Rice the previous two weeks, it might have gotten him into the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted December 12, 2012 But if that same putz started Brown over Rice the previous two weeks, it might have gotten him into the playoffs. If you have a steady scorer like Rice, you don't bench him ever. Sure, you could have gotten LUCKY with Brown, but Rice still produced those weeks. It's not like he got less than 10 pts or something. What good is making the playoffs if you get a stinker from your hit-or-miss fill-in when you have a rock solid stud on your bench? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted December 12, 2012 There's really only four scenarios where this could even be possible... 1. He has Adrian Peterson 2. He's in a 4 team league 3. He's in a league with more 4 teams, but at least one of them is run by a complete idiot who traded him Ray Rice. 4. Any two, or possibly all, of the above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 There's really only four scenarios where this could even be possible... 1. He has Adrian Peterson 2. He's in a 4 team league 3. He's in a league with more 4 teams, but at least one of them is run by a complete idiot who traded him Ray Rice. 4. Any two, or possibly all, of the above. Haha i love the hate! 10 teamer, 8 years running. Finished 9-5 with RG3. Other back is TRICH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 I like Moreno this week, but other then Foster and Peterson, there aren't many running backs I'd bench Ray Rice for. I'm assuming Cameron got fired for under utilizing Rice, so I'd expect to see him touching the ball a lot from here on out. If you look at the previous game, the "straw that broke the camels back", flacco threw 3 tds in the first half and they couldn't be stopped. Second half was more based around running and allowed the redskins to steal the win. If anything, I think the touches go down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 We have a guy playing Rice and Denvers D. Never had a problem with starting players vs. my def "play who you think will get the most points" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 Ummm....who's your other RB that's playing...Arian Foster?? Or maybe you only start one RB in this league?? Trent Richardson and Moreno are the RBs i'll be starting. No flex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 ^this It's all about managing your team. 10 pts from Rice won't get me the win. With RG3 limping around, I've got to take chances and need a big RB game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,326 Posted December 12, 2012 If you look at the previous game, the "straw that broke the camels back", flacco threw 3 tds in the first half and they couldn't be stopped. Second half was more based around running and allowed the redskins to steal the win. If anything, I think the touches go down. Interesting point. I'd have a hard time benching Rice, but nobody really knows how the OC change is going to affect things. IMO it is wishful thinking to say "I think Rice will get more touches$#@!" I think the factor of the unknown bumps Rice down a bit -- as they say in finance, a known return is more valuable than a risky return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted December 12, 2012 It's all about managing your team. 10 pts from Rice won't get me the win. With RG3 limping around, I've got to take chances and need a big RB game. I hear ya. Normally I like to take the risk as well, but not in the playoffs when you KNOW you'll get guaranteed pts with one guy and still not sure what you'll get with the other. Everyone and their mother is touting Moreno this week, which, rationally or not, scares me. I hope your right, though, as I'm starting Moreno in my main league (have RG3 and Dez, too ) and I just got eliminated with Rice in my work league (Brady beat me by 3 pts ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreenTD 56 Posted December 12, 2012 It's all about managing your team. 10 pts from Rice won't get me the win. With RG3 limping around, I've got to take chances and need a big RB game. More importantly, who are you plan on starting in place of RGIII? Anyways, I won't completely pick you apart for starting Moreno over Moreno but here's a few nuggets to chew on. 1). It took Moreno a career high 32 carries to amass his 119 yards rushing against the Raiders pitiful run defense. Not only will he not carry for that many yards again this week, he's still probably feeling the effects of it since he barely played all year. 2). The Ravens firing of Cameron had everything to do with under utilizing Ray Rice, the Ravens best playmaker outside of Torrey Smith. I see a gameplan centered around ball control (Ray Rice) in the attempt to keep Peyton off the field. 3). Did you watch the Broncos/Raiders game last Thursday? Moreno has no burst & is a shell of the dynamic player he was when he came out of Georgia. Go ahead & start Moreno, but this thread will be bumped after Sunday. Good luck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 Interesting point. I'd have a hard time benching Rice, but nobody really knows how the OC change is going to affect things. IMO it is wishful thinking to say "I think Rice will get more touches$#@!" I think the factor of the unknown bumps Rice down a bit -- as they say in finance, a known return is more valuable than a risky return. exactly. everything (except rice's talent) screams uncertainty right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted December 12, 2012 exactly. everything (except rice's talent) screams uncertainty right now C'mon, they can't possible use him less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 More importantly, who are you plan on starting in place of RGIII? Anyways, I won't completely pick you apart for starting Moreno over Moreno but here's a few nuggets to chew on. 1). It took Moreno a career high 32 carries to amass his 119 yards rushing against the Raiders pitiful run defense. Not only will he not carry for that many yards again this week, he's still probably feeling the effects of it since he barely played all year. 2). The Ravens firing of Cameron had everything to do with under utilizing Ray Rice, the Ravens best playmaker outside of Torrey Smith. I see a gameplan centered around ball control (Ray Rice) in the attempt to keep Peyton off the field. 3). Did you watch the Broncos/Raiders game last Thursday? Moreno has no burst & is a shell of the dynamic player he was when he came out of Georgia. Go ahead & start Moreno, but this thread will be bumped after Sunday. Good luck! 1. yeah, that is a bit concerning as the raiders rank second worst run def. concerned, yes. 32 carries helps 2. i will disagree with this. Cameron has always been a guy who has run the ball a lot. With all the Ravens talk of Flacco, he felt pressure and started airing it out more. This team bleeds run n gun - even ray lewis dropped 30 lbs in the offseason because of the change in gameplan. i see the new OC (previous QB coach) turning this into a different offense. Don't know which direction, but we don't know and playoffs are about certaintiy 3. agreed here as well. 32 touches alleviate this a bit Cheers mate! Here's to hoping we're both advancing come Sunday night! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 C'mon, they can't possible use him less. trying to find rushed + rec touches leaders, i bet rice is in top 10 of all rb/wr. we look at rushes but remember the receptions as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
montana 89 Posted December 12, 2012 More importantly, who are you plan on starting in place of RGIII? Anyways, I won't completely pick you apart for starting Moreno over Moreno but here's a few nuggets to chew on. 1). It took Moreno a career high 32 carries to amass his 119 yards rushing against the Raiders pitiful run defense. Not only will he not carry for that many yards again this week, he's still probably feeling the effects of it since he barely played all year. 2). The Ravens firing of Cameron had everything to do with under utilizing Ray Rice, the Ravens best playmaker outside of Torrey Smith. I see a gameplan centered around ball control (Ray Rice) in the attempt to keep Peyton off the field. 3). Did you watch the Broncos/Raiders game last Thursday? Moreno has no burst & is a shell of the dynamic player he was when he came out of Georgia. Go ahead & start Moreno, but this thread will be bumped after Sunday. Good luck! 2b. To keep Peyton off the field & their "less than stellar" D off it too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 2b. To keep Peyton off the field & their "less than stellar" D off it too. Valid point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted December 12, 2012 trying to find rushed + rec touches leaders, i bet rice is in top 10 of all rb/wr. we look at rushes but remember the receptions as well foster 332 peterson 303 martin 299 richardson 292 lynch 279 charles 270 rice 270 the top wr is CJohnson at 96, which ranks about 48th in the nfl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenixTx972 2 Posted December 12, 2012 foster 332 peterson 303 martin 299 richardson 292 lynch 279 charles 270 rice 270 the top wr is CJohnson at 96, which ranks about 48th in the nfl jw where'd you find this? goes to show that rice is getting the ball plenty... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted December 12, 2012 jw where'd you find this? The internet NFL.com fantasy league has those stats. goes to show that rice is getting the ball plenty... So you are benching him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiotekniQues 0 Posted December 12, 2012 in regards to Cameron being fired, i've watched a decent amount of baltimore snaps this season on Redzone. the O play-calling was simply very vanilla. it's not creative at all. very predictable and it hurts everybody's value. that's why he was canned. i can't say Rice will get consistently more carries but if the play-calling is better, he should simply be able to produce better. i think Rice's value increases now, unless the offense has problems picking up what caldwell does in this transition period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted December 12, 2012 More importantly, who are you plan on starting in place of RGIII? Anyways, I won't completely pick you apart for starting Moreno over Moreno but here's a few nuggets to chew on. 1). It took Moreno a career high 32 carries to amass his 119 yards rushing against the Raiders pitiful run defense. Not only will he not carry for that many yards again this week, he's still probably feeling the effects of it since he barely played all year. The Raiders D has given up 5, 100yd games this year, 2 of which came against Denver. They surrendered 35 yards on the ground to Ray Rice. Denver has given up 3, 100yd games this year and only 3 rushing TDs. Balt has given up 3, 100yd games (and another 4, 90+ games) and 10 rushing TDs. If the Raiders are pitiful, the Ravens are equally so, having given up an average of 2 yards less per game. Denver on the other hand are 6th in the league and giving up over 35 yards a game LESS than the Ravens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites