Michael Sam will not play a down of NFL football.

[murf74 461]

I'll consider this your flag of surrender and call it a night.

Surrender to what. You agreed with me about people not speaking up about their displeasure with working with Samantha. There is nothing left to debate on that subject

 

That was easy

[RoadLizard 73]

 

I am going to make a prediction.

 

In the future there are going to be people coming out of the closet who say they are promiscuous, clamoring they are discriminated against and eventually the public will say the same thing--that everyone needs to just shut up and accept them for who they are.

 

Then eventually there will be others who say, well then, what's wrong with us folks who want to live a polyamorous lifestyle? You can't discriminate against us. We want the same the same rights the heterosexuals, gays and promiscuous folks are getting!

 

It will never stop.

 

No it wont stop. "Normal" will eventual include those into little boys, dead bodies, animals, etc, etc. Its the "anything goes" MTV generation. They'll all be protected and celebrated. Great.

 

The number of households with a Mom, a Dad who only bang each other is soon becoming the minority. Whatever. Great nations collapse from within. Just ask Rome or Persia how that worked out.

[MDC 7,883]

Surrender to what. You agreed with me about people not speaking up about their displeasure with working with Samantha. There is nothing left to debate on that subject

 

That was easy

I guess where we differ is: who focking cares? There is no line of work where you can say whatever you want about your colleagues without consequences. You seem to think people who don't like the gheys should have special privileges to go around demeaning their coworkers or something.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The slippery slope argument is just idiotic...but that is expected when this topic comes up.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

 

I am going to make a prediction.

 

In the future there are going to be people coming out of the closet who say they are promiscuous, clamoring they are discriminated against and eventually the public will say the same thing--that everyone needs to just shut up and accept them for who they are.

 

Then eventually there will be others who say, well then, what's wrong with us folks who want to live a polyamorous lifestyle? You can't discriminate against us. We want the same the same rights the heterosexuals, gays and promiscuous folks are getting!

 

It will never stop.

Who the fock wants to have to deal with more than one wife? You may as well just not get married and fock around. A lot cheaper in the long run.

 

In order to change the laws regarding polygamy there would have to be a large supporting of this change. Do you really believe there is a large following to multiple spouses?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The obvious things have been discussed so I'll throw out a different concern: Any team that signs him will go through a lot of sensitivity training, or at least I'm confident they will be required to do so. This is all time that they won't be practicing. Will they do this in addition to their allotted training time as per the CBA? If so, a lot of players won't be fans. If not, the coaches/office won't be.

[murf74 461]

I guess where we differ is: who focking cares? There is no line of work where you can say whatever you want about your colleagues without consequences. You seem to think people who don't like the gheys should have special privileges to go around demeaning their coworkers or something.

We don't disagree. Lol you started this entire thing out as saying no teammates have a problem so it's ok. I said no teammate will state they have a problem but may be thinking otherwise. You agreed

 

 

Thanks for playing

[MDC 7,883]

Cause you didn't use word NO? Your quote indicated none of his teammates are bothered right? You agree that nobody will speak publicly against gays so we don't know their true feelings right?

 

Again you agree and thanks for that

I said if his teammates don't care I don't know why the fans care. I didn't say that none of them will care.

 

You just keep clinging to this point because you can't tell me why it's even an issue. So what if a handful of players don't like it?

 

Why should the world make special rules for people like you just because you're not comfortable with a gay coworker? Stop showing your wiener, do your job and STFU.

[the spanker 28]

Who the fock wants to have to deal with more than one wife? You may as well just not get married and fock around. A lot cheaper in the long run.

 

In order to change the laws regarding polygamy there would have to be a large supporting of this change. Do you really believe there is a large following to multiple spouses?

 

 

To answer your first question, while it may be cheaper, it's safer to protect your health than to "fock around", yes?

 

And to your 2nd question, why not? You've got all kinds of minds out there. You can't tell me just about every heterosexual guy out there hasn't fantasized about sleeping with more than one woman in bed.

 

Then there are those minds out there who are into the power/submissive orgy free-for-all thing. So if I find partners who would agree with it, why not?

 

Tell me honestly, if polygamy was to be proposed today to be made legal, how many would think twice or seriously consider it? It's a free country right?

 

I wouldn't put anything past people today. I mean really, states have approved pot as legal now and more states are considering to make it legal. So I hardly think it's ridiculous. So yes, while the support may be small now, what's to stop polygamy from later becoming a norm in the U.S.?

 

Why would it be considered bad when homosexuality is considered to be OK?

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

Sigh. The whole thing is just stupid. Who cares if you're gay? What are you proving by revealing your sexuality? That you get fame because you're the first to do it? What does it have to do with playing the game? I agree with the OP it's just a unnecessary distraction and some people are really getting fed up with hearing how gay people are heroes for coming out. It's like a bitter pill you have to stomach every time you hear about it, which is why someone like Sam will be heckled and won't have any peace going forward. Yeah he stated he had the support of his college brethren but he's in for a rude awakening, you're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy.

It is a big deal because of people like you. He is going to be heckled because he is coming out? Well what if he didn't come out? What if no athlete ever came out and everyone just pretended like it didn't exist? Then it would be a big deal anyway if someone somehow found out and leaked the info. He would then be heckled and it would be a pretty big issue, except those that would try to support him may not know how to openly support him without themselves becoming targets.

 

By coming out as the only active gay athlete he is making it an issue now so that in the future it can hopefully not be an issue. People who criticize his decision and try to play it off are only lying to themselves by saying it's not an issue and shouldn't be an issue. In the future it will not be an issue when it is accepted by all. This thread is really about a gay athlete coming out but somehow changed into gay marriage.

 

So people are going to start getting married to multiple partners to protect their health? Since when have guys really been that concerned about their partners. That's what condoms are for.

 

Do you not watch porn at all? I hope you don't because you will be one of the biggest hypocrites on this board. It's ok for you to post a pic of a barely dressed chick on your avatar, but you frown upon those who are into the "power/submissive orgy free-for-all thing." If there were two chicks in your avatar wouldn't that go under your orgy free for all category?

 

All of a sudden because gay people are getting the same equal treatment of heterosexual couples everyone is going to decide to become polygamous? People are naturally jealous when it comes to their spouses. There have always been those that don't mind the idea of sharing their partner but a massive shift in the way people view their SO would have to happen to allow polygamy to become common. I don't see humans all of a sudden losing their ability to become jealous and possessive.

[Mike FF Today 751]

murf74 and MDC, cool it.

[jerryskids 7,085]

Fascinating rebuttal, I'll consider it.

[the spanker 28]

 

It is a big deal because of people like you. He is going to be heckled because he is coming out? Well what if he didn't come out? What if no athlete ever came out and everyone just pretended like it didn't exist? Then it would be a big deal anyway if someone somehow found out and leaked the info. He would then be heckled and it would be a pretty big issue, except those that would try to support him may not know how to openly support him without themselves becoming targets.

 

I'm not the one heckling him just stating the reality of the situation. Live with it. And no, it wouldn't or shouldn't be a big deal because no one should give a fock.

 

By coming out as the only active gay athlete he is making it an issue now so that in the future it can hopefully not be an issue. People who criticize his decision and try to play it off are only lying to themselves by saying it's not an issue and shouldn't be an issue. In the future it will not be an issue when it is accepted by all. This thread is really about a gay athlete coming out but somehow changed into gay marriage.

 

No the problem is people divulging into other people's BUSINESS, that's the problem. The NFL or anyone else. And no one should feel pressured to reveal their sexual orientation...period. And as I stated before, how many people do you see coming out saying that they are promiscuous? I haven't heard of a single soul yet but they exist and I'm predicting in the future they will be the new heroes to be accepted by all. I hope I'm wrong.

 

So people are going to start getting married to multiple partners to protect their health? Since when have guys really been that concerned about their partners. That's what condoms are for.

 

Dude, really,...really? You think everyone uses a condom??? I suggest you read these two articles to become more aware on what's really going on out there:

 

http://www.onlymyhealth.com/why-men-don-like-wear-condoms-1308891475

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21474066

 

Do you not watch porn at all? I hope you don't because you will be one of the biggest hypocrites on this board. It's ok for you to post a pic of a barely dressed chick on your avatar, but you frown upon those who are into the "power/submissive orgy free-for-all thing." If there were two chicks in your avatar wouldn't that go under your orgy free for all category?

 

Is it any of your business if I watch porn at all? You're making my point. But to answer your question, no I do not because I'm a happily married guy. Yeah and like any heterosexual guy I still enjoy looking at an attractive woman like the one in my avatar but because I'm not into the orgy, homosexual, promiscuous, polygamy, focking around thing, I don't require condoms.

 

All of a sudden because gay people are getting the same equal treatment of heterosexual couples everyone is going to decide to become polygamous? People are naturally jealous when it comes to their spouses. There have always been those that don't mind the idea of sharing their partner but a massive shift in the way people view their SO would have to happen to allow polygamy to become common. I don't see humans all of a sudden losing their ability to become jealous and possessive.

 

You presume to know the mental psychology of people in this world. There is a lot of things going on you don't see. There are trade-offs some are willing to take.

 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

Thanks for proving my point spanker

[the spanker 28]

Thanks for proving my point spanker

 

You're welcome Mr. Condom.

[ralphster 274]

I've got a prediction for you Spanky:

 

In time society will only continue to get more and more secular, slowly edging out those who still adhere to religious dogma and relegating them to semi-fanatical status. Along the way all peoples will truly become more equal and much of the intolerance and hate perpetuated by those who still adhere to religious dogma will fade into a somewhat embarrassing past - looked back on much like what I imagine Germans view the Nazi era of their own history.

 

Unfortunately I do not see Jews and Muslims dancing in the streets of Jerusalem anytime soon, but I also do not see the rapture much of the current US religious fanatics seek coming to pass either. Ultimately such intolerant and repressive views - especially when espoused in public - are bad for business. We're all involved on a global scale now and time never runs backward despite the wishes of some. The clock. It ticks.

 

 

[the spanker 28]

I've got a prediction for you Spanky:

 

In time society will only continue to get more and more secular, slowly edging out those who still adhere to religious dogma and relegating them to semi-fanatical status. Along the way all peoples will truly become more equal and much of the intolerance and hate perpetuated by those who still adhere to religious dogma will fade into a somewhat embarrassing past - looked back on much like what I imagine Germans view the Nazi era of their own history.

 

I agree with you as what you state has already happened to a certain degree. However I don't foresee what you're insinuating to be of significant relevance. There will always be wars and most likely those wars in the future will be resource driven.

 

Unfortunately I do not see Jews and Muslims dancing in the streets of Jerusalem anytime soon, but I also do not see the rapture much of the current US religious fanatics seek coming to pass either. Ultimately such intolerant and repressive views - especially when espoused in public - are bad for business. We're all involved on a global scale now and time never runs backward despite the wishes of some. The clock. It ticks.

 

That's the key, many will not see the rapture coming. Just like in the days of Noah, did they see the flood coming?

 

The clock may tick but ultimately some things never change.

 

 

[JtmoneyJag 25]

No it wont stop. "Normal" will eventual include those into little boys, dead bodies, animals, etc, etc. Its the "anything goes" MTV generation. They'll all be protected and celebrated. Great.

 

The number of households with a Mom, a Dad who only bang each other is soon becoming the minority. Whatever. Great nations collapse from within. Just ask Rome or Persia how that worked out.

Straw man arguments. Deal with issues as they come. Should pot not be legalized because it may lead to other drugs being legalized? No it should be judged on it's own merits.

 

Ah yes, maybe 10% of the US is gay and now 90% have become the minority.... where do you people come up with this stuff?

[JtmoneyJag 25]

The slippery slope argument is just idiotic...but that is expected when this topic comes up.

Agreed. If you have to use that argument to justify something than you are basically saying I have a really weak argument.

[JtmoneyJag 25]

 

 

To answer your first question, while it may be cheaper, it's safer to protect your health than to "fock around", yes?

 

And to your 2nd question, why not? You've got all kinds of minds out there. You can't tell me just about every heterosexual guy out there hasn't fantasized about sleeping with more than one woman in bed.

 

Then there are those minds out there who are into the power/submissive orgy free-for-all thing. So if I find partners who would agree with it, why not?

 

Tell me honestly, if polygamy was to be proposed today to be made legal, how many would think twice or seriously consider it? It's a free country right?

 

I wouldn't put anything past people today. I mean really, states have approved pot as legal now and more states are considering to make it legal. So I hardly think it's ridiculous. So yes, while the support may be small now, what's to stop polygamy from later becoming a norm in the U.S.?

 

Why would it be considered bad when homosexuality is considered to be OK?

We aren't talking about polygamy. Argue that on its own. Homesexuality and polygamy are two separate things.

 

And it is about time states have approved pot as legal.

[JtmoneyJag 25]

 

 

 

It is a big deal because of people like you. He is going to be heckled because he is coming out? Well what if he didn't come out? What if no athlete ever came out and everyone just pretended like it didn't exist? Then it would be a big deal anyway if someone somehow found out and leaked the info. He would then be heckled and it would be a pretty big issue, except those that would try to support him may not know how to openly support him without themselves becoming targets.

 

By coming out as the only active gay athlete he is making it an issue now so that in the future it can hopefully not be an issue. People who criticize his decision and try to play it off are only lying to themselves by saying it's not an issue and shouldn't be an issue. In the future it will not be an issue when it is accepted by all. This thread is really about a gay athlete coming out but somehow changed into gay marriage.

 

So people are going to start getting married to multiple partners to protect their health? Since when have guys really been that concerned about their partners. That's what condoms are for.

 

Do you not watch porn at all? I hope you don't because you will be one of the biggest hypocrites on this board. It's ok for you to post a pic of a barely dressed chick on your avatar, but you frown upon those who are into the "power/submissive orgy free-for-all thing." If there were two chicks in your avatar wouldn't that go under your orgy free for all category?

 

All of a sudden because gay people are getting the same equal treatment of heterosexual couples everyone is going to decide to become polygamous? People are naturally jealous when it comes to their spouses. There have always been those that don't mind the idea of sharing their partner but a massive shift in the way people view their SO would have to happen to allow polygamy to become common. I don't see humans all of a sudden losing their ability to become jealous and possessive.

Great post.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

 

 

All I can say is THANK GOD I'm straight!

[the spanker 28]

[smashmouths@blf 33]

Great post.

No.

[JtmoneyJag 25]

No.

He makes many great points in his post. Feel free to say why he is wrong. Otherwise you just look ignorant.

[JtmoneyJag 25]

 

 

All I can say is THANK GOD I'm straight!

Well God made gay people too... seems like a contradiction on God's part.

[murf74 461]

Well God made gay people too... seems like a contradiction on God's part.

God gave humans free will.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

God gave humans free will.

He also handed down a boat load of ignorance to some of the posters in this thread.

[the spanker 28]

He also handed down a boat load of ignorance to some of the posters in this thread.

 

 

On the contrary. He's handed down a boat load of knowledge and awareness on this subject in his book...

 

Ever heard of it?

 

A book called the Bible?

 

Yes the Bible addresses this subject (numerous passages) which is as clear and bright as a nova blast during a nuclear explosion.

 

However if you don't believe in God, then I can understand why you would call everyone on here who doesn't support homosexuality, ignorant of course.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

 

 

 

On the contrary. He's handed down a boat load of knowledge and awareness on this subject in his book...

 

Ever heard of it?

 

A book called the Bible?

 

Yes the Bible addresses this subject (numerous passages) which is as clear and bright as a nova blast during a nuclear explosion.

 

However if you don't believe in God, then I can understand why you would call everyone on here who doesn't support homosexuality, ignorant of course.

 

"power/submissive orgy free-for-all thing."

 

Wtf does that even mean? You lie to yourself and then feel guilty about it. You then use your bible to cherry pick sins you can avoid while you yourself are a sinner. You speak out about those sins, what about the sins you commit? Doubt you get on your high horse about those.

 

Look at your avatar, it says it all. You have never watched porn? Ever? Give me a break. You have never watched porn with multiple women? What a hypocrite.

[murf74 461]

"power/submissive orgy free-for-all thing."

 

Wtf does that even mean? You lie to yourself and then feel guilty about it. You then use your bible to cherry pick sins you can avoid while you yourself are a sinner. You speak out about those sins, what about the sins you commit? Doubt you get on your high horse about those.

 

Look at your avatar, it says it all. You have never watched porn? Ever? Give me a break. You have never watched porn with multiple women? What a hypocrite.

Gay is a sin interesting you acknowledge that as fact. Gay lives a sin every day. Most other sins come and go at moments of weakness

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

Gay is a sin interesting you acknowledge that as fact. Gay lives a sin every day. Most other sins come and go at moments of weakness

Another who decides which "sins" are ok and which are not.

[the spanker 28]

"power/submissive orgy free-for-all thing."

 

Wtf does that even mean? You lie to yourself and then feel guilty about it. You then use your bible to cherry pick sins you can avoid while you yourself are a sinner. You speak out about those sins, what about the sins you commit? Doubt you get on your high horse about those.

 

Look at your avatar, it says it all. You have never watched porn? Ever? Give me a break. You have never watched porn with multiple women? What a hypocrite.

 

 

 

Is that the only way now you can support your position now is by referencing my avatar?

 

Is that all you have now? By insinuating and reaching for personal things about me now? Please try to stay on topic.

 

Mr. Sam has openly come forth and said he is gay. There is no witch hunt out for his blood. I'm not the one judging or will judge him. I'm simply stating the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin.

 

I didn't make this up. If you have a problem with it then I suggest you pray about it and take it up with the man upstairs who said this in his book to ensure us "ignorant folks" know the truth on the subject.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

 

 

 

Is that the only way now you can support your position now is by referencing my avatar?

 

Is that all you have now? By insinuating and reaching for personal things about me now? Please try to stay on topic.

 

Mr. Sam has openly come forth and said he is gay. There is no witch hunt out for his blood. I'm not the one judging or will judge him. I'm simply stating the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin.

 

I didn't make this up. If you have a problem with it then I suggest you pray about it and take it up with the man upstairs who said this in his book to ensure us "ignorant folks" know the truth on the subject.

You forgot hypocrites too. Hth

[murf74 461]

Another who decides which "sins" are ok and which are not.

Not all sins are equal. Don't play stupid

[BiPolarBear 495]

I think Sam will get drafted and do fine.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

I think Sam will get drafted and do fine.

He had a bad showing at the combine from what i understand.

[Reality 3,121]

Tweener who isn't all that athletic, he's going to have to make a name for himself on special teams if he even makes a squad.

[BiPolarBear 495]

He had a bad showing at the combine from what i understand.

Workouts for his position are going on today. I haven't seen any results for him yet. You could end up being right, though.

[murf74 461]

He had a bad showing at the combine from what i understand.

It's all those guys in underwear. What did you expect with all those packages distracting him. .