Googballz 39 Posted June 2, 2014 I always get a kick out of exposing your lies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 827 Posted June 2, 2014 I always get a kick out of exposing your lies. So is your official stance that if you were in charge, we would have kept the 5 dudes and not gotten our soldier back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 2, 2014 I love how the flat earthers are all "Obama negotiated with terrorists $#!!" while prisoner swaps are as old as war itself The U.S. Department of State lists the Taliban on their official terrorist group list, so what would you call it? They negotiated with terrorists. The only people saying otherwise are partisan hacks trying to spin it for Obama into something else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted June 2, 2014 The President is commander in chief, that is well established in the Constitution. He has wartime powers to negotiate prisoner exchanges, which is exactly what he did. Congress can't intervene there, that's silly. Imagine if during WWII the president had to call for a congressional hearing every time he wanted to secure the release of American POWs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted June 2, 2014 So is your official stance that if you were in charge, we would have kept the 5 dudes and not gotten our soldier back? There is much in play here. Obama is desperately trying to unload Guantanamo prisoners and no country will take them. There is little doubt in my mind that not only did he trade 5 for 1, but he sweetened the pot with a ton of cash (to care for the prisoners, of course ). If that is true, do you think he was going through Congress? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 2, 2014 The President is commander in chief, that is well established in the Constitution. He has wartime powers to negotiate prisoner exchanges, which is exactly what he did. Congress can't intervene there, that's silly. Imagine if during WWII the president had to call for a congressional hearing every time he wanted to secure the release of American POWs When did we start calling the fukktards at GITMO "Prisoners of War"? Last I heard they were officially designated as "Enemy combatants". Keep sukking that Obama cack, Hack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted June 2, 2014 Here’s a closer look at the five Taliban commanders released in exchange for Bergdahl: Abdul Haq Wasiq Thought to be in his early 40s, Wasiq served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and “had direct access to Taliban and Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin leadership,” according to an internal memo that assessed risk at Guantanamo. He reportedly used his office to support Al Qaeda “and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture.” He also reportedly arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff. Wasiq belongs to the Khogyani Tribe and began his religious training under his father, Muhammad Saleem, who died in 1981.Three years later, he went to study Islam at Warah, a school located on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border near the Khyber Pass. When the Taliban assumed control in Afghanistan, a number of Islamic students, including Wasiq, went to Kabul. Wasiq has been accused by Human Rights Watch of mass killings and torture. According to a report by the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, Wasiq “arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods.” Mullah Norullah Noori As a senior Taliban military commander, Noori has been described in government reports as a military mastermind of sorts who engaged in hostilities “against U.S. and Coalition forces in Zabul Province.” Noori developed close ties to Taliban leader Mullah Omar and other senior Taliban officials, according to the JTF-GITMO report. Mullah Mohammad Fazi As the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister, Fazi was held at Guantanamo after being identified as an enemy combatant by the United States. Fazi is an admitted senior commander who served as chief of staff of the Taliban Army and as a commander of its 22nd Division. He’s also wanted by the United Nations on war crimes for the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan. According to documents, Fazi “wielded considerable influence throughout the northern region of Afghanistan and his influence continued after his capture.” The Taliban has used Fazi’s capture as a recruiting tool. “If released, detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties” with other terrorist groups, the Guantanamo report says. Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa Khairkhwa is the former governor of the Herat province and has close ties with Usama bin Laden and Mullah Omar. According to the Joint Task Force Guantanamo file, Khairkhwa “represented the Taliban during meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against US and coalition forces.” Khairkhwa and his deputies are suspected of being associated with an extremist military training camp run by the Al Qaeda commander Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who was killed in 2006. U.S. authorities have also accused Khairkhwa of becoming a powerful opium trafficker. Mohammad Nabi Omari As a senior Taliban leader, Nabi Omari held multiple leadership roles in various terror-related groups. Pre-9/11, Nabi Omari worked border security for the Taliban – a position that gave him “access to senior Taliban commander and leader of the Haqqani Network, Jalaluddin Haqqani,” according to the report. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/look-at-five-taliban-commanders-set-free-in-prisoner-exchange/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted June 2, 2014 It's called an "Executive Order". Please look that up and see how often it has been executed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 2, 2014 According to a soldier who served with Bergdahl the guy deserted. Not only that, but several soldiers died trying to find him. They were ordered to remain silent while he was held captive. Now they can speak out. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted June 2, 2014 The U.S. Department of State lists the Taliban on their official terrorist group list, so what would you call it? They negotiated with terrorists. The only people saying otherwise are partisan hacks trying to spin it for Obama into something else. freedom fighters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,088 Posted June 2, 2014 It's sig worthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted June 2, 2014 According to a soldier who served with Bergdahl the guy deserted. Not only that, but several soldiers died trying to find him. They were ordered to remain silent while he was held captive. Now they can speak out. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html Just an opinion. He doesn't know if he truly deserted or just left base. It's not illegal to wonder off base unless told otherwise. He was told not to leave base with certain equipment so he didn't take said equipment. It's all speculation until Bergdahl tells his side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted June 2, 2014 It's sig worthy. mind blowing hypocrisy and irony all at once Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted June 2, 2014 This deal negotiated by the Obama Administration was more about releasing the 5 detainees than the release of an American detainee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,784 Posted June 2, 2014 Just an opinion. He doesn't know if he truly deserted or just left base. It's not illegal to wonder off base unless told otherwise. He was told not to leave base with certain equipment so he didn't take said equipment. It's all speculation until Bergdahl tells his side. The US concluded in 2010 that he walked away... http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/debate-stirs-over-us-taliban-captive-swap/2014/06/02/cf276c70-ea25-11e3-b10e-5090cf3b5958_story.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted June 2, 2014 The US concluded in 2010 that he walked away... http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/debate-stirs-over-us-taliban-captive-swap/2014/06/02/cf276c70-ea25-11e3-b10e-5090cf3b5958_story.html I understand that. He has not been charged with desertion yet. It's being investigated according to that article. Walking away and deserting are two separate things. Did he just walk away for a little while and got taken? I don't know? Did he walk away with intent of deserting? I don't know? Was he suffering from some kind of ptsd that made him not think clearly? Who knows? It's all speculation or opinion until they finish talking with Berdahl and their investigation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BudBro 183 Posted June 2, 2014 There is much in play here. Obama is desperately trying to unload Guantanamo prisoners and no country will take them. There is little doubt in my mind that not only did he trade 5 for 1, but he sweetened the pot with a ton of cash (to care for the prisoners, of course ). If that is true, do you think he was going through Congress? how many pow's do we have over there? at a 5 for 1 swap, he should be able to clear out gitmo pretty quickly, which was the plan all along. they got back their top 5 douchebags already, so now we can probably go 10 for 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 2, 2014 This deal negotiated by the Obama Administration was more about releasing the 5 detainees than the release of an American detainee. Link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 2, 2014 how many pow's do we have over there? at a 5 for 1 swap, he should be able to clear out gitmo pretty quickly, which was the plan all along. they got back their top 5 douchebags already, so now we can probably go 10 for 1. Sending them to Qatar under security is "getting them back". Why do some keep glossing over that fact...these guys are not just free to walk and go anywhere at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted June 2, 2014 Sending them to Qatar under security is "getting them back". Why do some keep glossing over that fact...these guys are not just free to walk and go anywhere at this point. Because the president is a Democrat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BudBro 183 Posted June 2, 2014 Sending them to Qatar under security is "getting them back". Why do some keep glossing over that fact...these guys are not just free to walk and go anywhere at this point. but they are being removed from gitmo. this a bench clearing strategy. then, close gitmo as was promised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naomi 360 Posted June 2, 2014 A post by Allen West on his website claims that a former CIA operations officer e-mailed him to let him know there's critical significance to the first words Bob Bergdahl said when he began to speak on the White House lawn...it would be seen by devout activist Muslims as him sanctifying/dedicating the grounds for Islam. "Bism allah alrahman alraheem" - "in the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful.” So I'm thinking that's an over the top interpretation, BUT at the same time I know there can be layers of significance to statements when you're coming from a ritualistic heavy religious mindset. Currently looking into the significance, preferably things written way before this, and coming up with - it's something often said pretty quietly by devout Muslims to give reverence to Allah so that they can be blessed. It helps them ensure reward in the afterlife. When it's said out loud, it's a sacred profession of "love, obedience and submission" to Allah. I support his right to say that, but I definitely don't like it at all because to some it probably does translate into a reflection of a righteous global goal. To put it crudely I can see Sharia law and Caliphate Call zealots getting a hard on from that. This is from a satirical response to Allen West's post but it's actually a good representation of the suggestive bone he threw some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted June 2, 2014 A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl -- both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban -- has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of "a major classified file." In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy. The Pentagon official added pointedly that no relevant congressional committee has sought access to the classified file, but that if such a request were made, key committee chairs would, under previous precedent, likely be granted access to it. Separately, the Pentagon confirmed Monday that it is looking into claims Americans died during the search for Bergdahl. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/sources-intelligence-community-investigated-bergdahls-conduct/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted June 2, 2014 A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl -- both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban -- has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of "a major classified file." In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy. The Pentagon official added pointedly that no relevant congressional committee has sought access to the classified file, but that if such a request were made, key committee chairs would, under previous precedent, likely be granted access to it. Separately, the Pentagon confirmed Monday that it is looking into claims Americans died during the search for Bergdahl. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/sources-intelligence-community-investigated-bergdahls-conduct/ "May have been a deserter" and "may have collaborated". If he deserted or collaborated, I would expect him to be held accountable. I would think a court martial and lots jail time since people died looking for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 827 Posted June 2, 2014 Claire Danes is looking at this dude with much suspicion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 2, 2014 "May have been a deserter" and "may have collaborated". If he deserted or collaborated, I would expect him to be held accountable. I would think a court martial and lots jail time since people died looking for him. Sounds like an awesome negotiation Obama did here. The equivalent of 5 Taliban Generals for one American deserter. Good job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted June 2, 2014 Sounds like an awesome negotiation Obama did here. The equivalent of 5 Taliban Generals for one American deserter. Good job. foreign policy guru 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted June 2, 2014 foreign policy guruNobel Peace Prize winner. Hth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted June 2, 2014 Nobel Peace Prize winner. Hthmy grankids all got the equivalent out of cracker jack boxes just yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted June 2, 2014 Only reason Obama probably did this was to distract from his disastrous new EPA regulations that will surly send this country into another depression. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted June 3, 2014 Claire Danes is looking at this dude with much suspicion. Lucky dude, she's gonna fock him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,641 Posted June 3, 2014 Sending them to Qatar under security is "getting them back". Why do some keep glossing over that fact...these guys are not just free to walk and go anywhere at this point. I thought that too, until I saw this video which shows these guys looking pretty "free" and receiving a hero's welcome yesterday morning. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking➙-5-gitmo-terrorists-arrive-in-qatar-with-no-sign-they-are-under-any-sort-of-custody-or-guard-video/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,088 Posted June 3, 2014 I thought that too, until I saw this video which shows these guys looking pretty "free" and receiving a hero's welcome yesterday morning. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking➙-5-gitmo-terrorists-arrive-in-qatar-with-no-sign-they-are-under-any-sort-of-custody-or-guard-video/ Focking pathetic. Good job barry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted June 3, 2014 Gotta love barry and his big smile when the kids Muslim dad praises allah Parents of US soldier Bowe Bergdahl pay tribute t: http://youtu.be/OtPWYaPQQjw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted June 3, 2014 "Is there the possibility of some of them trying to return to activities that are detrimental to us? Absolutely," - Barak Obama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,088 Posted June 3, 2014 "Is there the possibility of some of them trying to return to activities that are detrimental to us? Absolutely," - Barak Obama I'm thinking drone strike by the end of the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 3, 2014 I thought that too, until I saw this video which shows these guys looking pretty "free" and receiving a hero's welcome yesterday morning. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking➙-5-gitmo-terrorists-arrive-in-qatar-with-no-sign-they-are-under-any-sort-of-custody-or-guard-video/ I have no doubt some will give them that welcome. But its not like they were dropped off right back in Afghanistan to start leading again is the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 3, 2014 I thought that too, until I saw this video which shows these guys looking pretty "free" and receiving a hero's welcome yesterday morning. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking➙-5-gitmo-terrorists-arrive-in-qatar-with-no-sign-they-are-under-any-sort-of-custody-or-guard-video/ Once again Obama gets rolled on the world stage. This time by some dude who wears a diaper on his head and wipes his ass with his off hand. Oh, and Sho Nuff is dead wrong again. I'm not surprised, or shocked. Hilarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted June 3, 2014 Once again Obama gets rolled on the world stage. This time by some dude who wears a diaper on his head and wipes his ass with his off hand. Oh, and Sho Nuff is dead wrong again. I'm not surprised, or shocked. Hilarious. He fared quite well on the world stage with Bin Laden. Oh, and he also has a Nobel Peace Prize. And hasn't started any wars. Me thinks your view of the world stage is a bit blurry, Hare Lip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
