Googballz 39 Posted March 31, 2014 My advice is to ignore that particular troll. It's well-established that, much like his predecessor handle, he brings nothing whatsoever to the table. Mocking your feeble attempt to cover your ass in this thread isn't much, but you didn't leave much to work with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 So you can see that some of these laws are "suspect." I appreciate that. But let me ask you this: if some of them are "suspect" in that they're clearly aimed at putting up roadblocks for people exercising their right to vote, can you really trust the intent behind other seemingly-rational voter ID laws? Clearly certain politicians will do anything to suppress the vote that may be unfavorable to them, and that INCLUDES the use of voter ID laws. Not to mention that voter ID laws are supposedly intended to fix a problem that doesn't actually exist. In-person vote fraud is almost completely nonexistent. So again, if the problem isn't real then what is the MOTIVE behind these laws? I have zero problem with needing ID to vote. Voter fraud does happen and should be fixed. I'm not sure what the motive is? Let me ask you a couple questions. Are people helpless? Is it the governments job to get people out to vote? Do both parties have same time restrictions? If grown men and women cant find/make time to get to the polls, who's problem is that? If a grown man/wonan can't Find a way to the polls, who's probkem is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 31, 2014 I have zero problem with needing ID to vote. Voter fraud does happen and should be fixed. I'm not sure what the motive is? Let me ask you a couple questions. Are people helpless? Is it the governments job to get people out to vote? Do both parties have same time restrictions? If grown men and women cant find/make time to get to the polls, who's problem is that? If a grown man/wonan can't Find a way to the polls, who's probkem is that? Apparently, IGotWorms thinks blacks are incapable of doing this. Has he always been this racist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 31, 2014 My advice is to ignore that particular troll. It's well-established that, much like his predecessor handle, he brings nothing whatsoever to the table. Making fun of a know-it-all who doesn't even understand third grade grammar, is more fun than ignoring altogether. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 31, 2014 Making fun of a know-it-all who doesn't even understand third grade grammar, is more fun than ignoring altogether. Searching out typos seems to be your lot around here. That's one quality decade you just spent glued to this board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted March 31, 2014 I have zero problem with needing ID to vote. Voter fraud does happen and should be fixed. I'm not sure what the motive is? Let me ask you a couple questions. Are people helpless? Is it the governments job to get people out to vote? Do both parties have same time restrictions? If grown men and women cant find/make time to get to the polls, who's problem is that? If a grown man/wonan can't Find a way to the polls, who's probkem is that? In-person voting fraud (the kind that would be fixed by voter ID laws) almost never happens. I've posted the links in a few other threads but essentially they have done studies finding that the occurrences of such fraud are infinitesimally small. You're asking why can't people deal with certain burdens to vote, but I ask you--why do we have to place unnecessary burdens on the act of voting? It is the absolute essence of democracy so why would make it one iota more difficult to vote than is absolutely necessary to preserve the integrity of the process? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 Apparently, IGotWorms thinks blacks are incapable of doing this. Has he always been this racist? How would you fix it. The republicans didn't care to fix it until Obama won twice? I didnt see Bush's national campaign to fixing voter fraud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 31, 2014 Apparently, IGotWorms thinks blacks are incapable of doing this. Has he always been this racist? He also believes minorities are too dumb to drive to the polls and too lazy to get out of bed on election day. I never realized that all those people in line with me in November were rocket scientists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 31, 2014 You know, it doesn't surprise me that a political party--any political party--would stoop pretty focking low to win elections. I wasn't born yesterday. But actively trying to prevent people from exercising their most basic democratic right to choose their representatives? Isn't ANYTHING sacred anymore? For shame You have a point. I think that we should go further and make the primaries open to all voters of all parties. Basically, as a registered Independent, I want to be able to cast a vote for who should be the candidate for the Republicans, and who should be the Democrat, and who should be the Libertarian, and Green Party candidates, etc for the future election day. After all, we don't want to prevent people from exercising their most basic right to choose their representatives, so let's all vote for each party. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 31, 2014 Searching out typos seems to be your lot around here. That's one quality decade you just spent glued to this board. You better look up the definition of typo. Your finger didn't hit an extra key or the wrong key. You didn't know which "too/to.two" to use. Typos are bad typing. Yours was lack of intelligence. hth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 31, 2014 How would you fix it. The republicans didn't care to fix it until Obama won twice? I didnt see Bush's national campaign to fixing voter fraud. Voter ID laws are passed on the state level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 In-person voting fraud (the kind that would be fixed by voter ID laws) almost never happens. I've posted the links in a few other threads but essentially they have done studies finding that the occurrences of such fraud are infinitesimally small. You're asking why can't people deal with certain burdens to vote, but I ask you--why do we have to place unnecessary burdens on the act of voting? It is the absolute essence of democracy so why would make it one iota more difficult to vote than is absolutely necessary to preserve the integrity of the process? We know voter iD is to weed out illegals voting...thats obvious, at least to me. The voter fraud is the absentee voting I would imagine. I don't get the "make it harder" argument. People have months to make preparations. If adults are not smart enough to figure out how to get there with months to plan for it, I'm not sure I want those idiots voting anyway. People are not helpless. To me it's that simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 Voter ID laws are passed on the state level. So voter ID is all you want to do to fix it? And presidents can and have noticed problems with state laws and pressured them into changing state laws. So with that said, if the republicans cared so much about fixing voter fraud, why wait so long? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 Hacks ? Seems like a pretty stupid thing to have done...and ridiculous and should not be tolerated. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 I know. What's your point. I said fixing voter fraud is great. So what's the point of all these links to democrats and voting fraud? Do people not want to admit that both sides do it? Republicans are just as bad. A woman in Virginia had 36 counts of voter fraud and over 4000 unaccounted voters. Googly is now claiming its all fishing and you are taking a "drumming". Thats his way of saying...there is no way in hell he will ever admit crap about the right and what they are doing. He is one of those blind republican posters you mentioned a few posts before this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 Googly is now claiming its all fishing and you are taking a "drumming". Thats his way of saying...there is no way in hell he will ever admit crap about the right and what they are doing. He is one of those blind republican posters you mentioned a few posts before this one. His "drummings" mean nothing. He's rp and we all now his routine. He's exactly what republicans need to distance themselves from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 How would you fix it. The republicans didn't care to fix it until Obama won twice? I didnt see Bush's national campaign to fixing voter fraud. Don't expect the troll to actually answer a direct question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 31, 2014 Googly is now claiming its all fishing and you are taking a "drumming". That post was directed at IGotWorms. Crackattack snuck one in between the two posts. You keep tagging along though, you may get something right some day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 31, 2014 Don't expect the troll to actually answer a direct question. I never do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BudBro 183 Posted March 31, 2014 This is it in a nutshell. The Repubs and the wealth in this country are eliminating the middle class and creating HUGE divides in earnings. They have no problem giving themselves huge raises and bonuses while laying off as many people as possible and limiting raises to everyone else. The perfect plan....except for one pesky thing...elections. These damn downtrodden lowlives still get the same amount of votes as Mr. CEO. And that keeps getting those damn Democrats elected. Boofuckinghoo i would contend that all the wealth in this country is NOT held by republicans alone. the wealthy live in a different world of private placement programs for their investments, which are all guaranteed by the treasury to be successful. if you've watched the qe programs by the fed for the past couple of years, banks don't need to lend money to consumers any longer, because the program allows banks to make interest off of fake money being traded amongst themselves and the treasury. many of the notable ceo's these days are all obama donors, so your broad brush doesn't paint properly. as to voting, we have 4 years between elections to get shiit in order and find a ride to a polling place between the hours of 7 and 6. we know well ahead of time what day the election will be. if you can't work it out, don't vote. if you can't show someone who you are, don't show up. if you can't vote where you live, you're out. if you're from new york, but are wintering in florida, then either work your way back home or choose to not vote. we don't need early voting, absentee voting (unless you're deployed), internet voting, phone voting, or computer counting of votes that can't be verified. how about we make president's day a work day, and election day a holiday so all have the same time in the day to vote? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted March 31, 2014 Not for nothing but I have always thought "Election Day" should be a national holiday. Where business, schools, etc. all honored. People shouldn't have to go vote at 7:00am so they can be t work on time. It's much more deserving of a national holiday than half the others. Voter ID is a no-brainer. I haven't give the other stuff like weekend, early voting much thought. Maybe you have a couple designated days as early voting days the week or two before and then have a Election Day. Seems simple enough to me. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 Why do you all keep getting hung up on the ID part that people don't seem to be arguing against in this topic? No ID no vote. You have to have an ID to walk into an airport. Is that racial a tactic or a way to keep poor people from using the airport?? Or is it in the best interest of safety and common sense practices? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 . how about we make president's day a work day, and election day a holiday so all have the same time in the day to vote? Sounds great...you actually have an idea worth something that would actually encourage voting. Yet, you support lessening hours that would discourage some from voting when they typically do. The problem with your idea, your party doesn't want that. It would increase voter turnout which is not something they want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 No ID no vote. You have to have an ID to walk into an airport. Is that racial a tactic or a way to keep poor people from using the airport?? Or is it in the best interest of safety and common sense practices? Again, why are you hung up on this in this thread? There do not appear to be many arguing against it...I have said I agree with it. Lets focus on the voting hours and days being reduced...since that is what the majority of the actual disagreement from people on the board has been about. Do you support the decrease in voting times? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted March 31, 2014 All my life we have had one voting day where i am from. When did this change and why ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 All my life we have had one voting day where i am from. When did this change and why ? Early voting has been going on here for quite a while. Its great too. Shorter lines...get done voting much quicker and don't have to take time off on election day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted March 31, 2014 Again, why are you hung up on this in this thread? There do not appear to be many arguing against it...I have said I agree with it. Lets focus on the voting hours and days being reduced...since that is what the majority of the actual disagreement from people on the board has been about. Do you support the decrease in voting times? Here in Louisiana the voting hours are 6-8, if I remember right, That's plenty of time to vote. You can also do a write in vote if the times don't fit your schedule. And it's very simple and convenient. One day is enough. We all play by the same rules. I know some people who volunteer their time at poling places. They agree that one day is enough. They see the same faces that come in at the same times for every election. If you're going to vote and it's important to do, you'll find a way. Again, the write in vote is simple and convenient. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 Here in Louisiana the voting hours are 6-8, if I remember right, That's plenty of time to vote. You can also do a write in vote if the times don't fit your schedule. And it's very simple and convenient. One day is enough. We all play by the same rules. I know some people who volunteer their time at poling places. They agree that one day is enough. They see the same faces that come in at the same times for every election. If you're going to vote and it's important to do, you'll find a way. Again, the write in vote is simple and convenient. The point is...many places have allowed to early voting and done things to encourage voting and make it easier. Why would anyone be against that? Other than those who want to lessen those voting in order to gain an advantage over the historical statistics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BudBro 183 Posted March 31, 2014 The problem with your idea, your party doesn't want that. It would increase voter turnout which is not something they want. i don't know why we wouldn't want it? it's the voting multiple times and fake counting and not knowing who voted that seems to be a real issue. if everybody voted once, was who they say they are, were verified that their vote was actually given to the proper person, i can't imagine that wouldn't be a popular way to do it. there has been fraud in the past few elections on both sides of the aisle. i see the republicans ramping up the fraud for 2016 since the democrats have shown how much money they can steal from the treasury over the past 2 terms. the repubs will want in on the theft. they'll say "it's our turn now" to make up fiat money and steal it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,566 Posted March 31, 2014 The point is...many places have allowed to early voting and done things to encourage voting and make it easier. Why would anyone be against that? Other than those who want to lessen those voting in order to gain an advantage over the historical statistics. The only reason I can see for limiting the time frame for voting is that there could be integrity issues. As long as there are observers from all parties present at all times I don't think it should be a problem. If, on the other hand, certain election inspectors are allowing certain voters to vote when nobody else is around to observe, that could be a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 i don't know why we wouldn't want it? it's the voting multiple times and fake counting and not knowing who voted that seems to be a real issue. if everybody voted once, was who they say they are, were verified that their vote was actually given to the proper person, i can't imagine that wouldn't be a popular way to do it. there has been fraud in the past few elections on both sides of the aisle. i see the republicans ramping up the fraud for 2016 since the democrats have shown how much money they can steal from the treasury over the past 2 terms. the repubs will want in on the theft. they'll say "it's our turn now" to make up fiat money and steal it all. Because historically high voter turnout is bad for the Republican party. Do you honestly thing there is a widespread problem with people voting multiple times, fake counting, and not knowing who voted that reducing hours or making it a national holiday would fix? The amount of actual fraud has been quite low, and I don't believe reduce that fraud anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 The only reason I can see for limiting the time frame for voting is that there could be integrity issues. As long as there are observers from all parties present at all times I don't think it should be a problem. If, on the other hand, certain election inspectors are allowing certain voters to vote when nobody else is around to observe, that could be a problem. I don't think any of this voting is occurring when nobody is around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,566 Posted March 31, 2014 I don't think any of this voting is occurring when nobody is around. Didn't mean to imply that it was. You've been asking for reasons why imposing time limits on voting would be necessary. That's the only one I could think of at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 31, 2014 Didn't mean to imply that it was. You've been asking for reasons why imposing time limits on voting would be necessary. That's the only one I could think of at the moment. Sure...if nobody was available or they were having trouble finding volunteers. But this is happening in places where they had procedures for this in place. Early voting here is typically at the public library and a bunch of old people working the polls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BudBro 183 Posted March 31, 2014 Because historically high voter turnout is bad for the Republican party. Do you honestly thing there is a widespread problem with people voting multiple times, fake counting, and not knowing who voted that reducing hours or making it a national holiday would fix? The amount of actual fraud has been quite low, and I don't believe reduce that fraud anyway. no, i don't think creating a holiday would matter as long as there are laws that allow absentee voting, no id, multiple ways to vote in different places, and computer tabulation of votes. there's really no need to vote since there's no way to know it's a reputable process. i, frankly, don't care if there are some who can't vote. it's not a secret and it doesn't just sneek up on anyone. if you aren't responsible enough to find a way to vote, nobody wants to hear back from you. your sad story is only that...it doesn't take away your responsibility. sheriff is the most important vote left since, for now, he is the only real power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 1, 2014 no, i don't think creating a holiday would matter as long as there are laws that allow absentee voting, no id, multiple ways to vote in different places, and computer tabulation of votes. there's really no need to vote since there's no way to know it's a reputable process. i, frankly, don't care if there are some who can't vote. it's not a secret and it doesn't just sneek up on anyone. if you aren't responsible enough to find a way to vote, nobody wants to hear back from you. your sad story is only that...it doesn't take away your responsibility. sheriff is the most important vote left since, for now, he is the only real power. Sorry...I disagree that its some out of control system even currently that makes it not a reputable process. I actually do care that some are not able to take the time to vote. Sure, does not sneak up on them, but I have known several that can't do it. Work certain hours, can't take the time off, have to get home and take care of kids and so on. I think they have responsibilities that, at times, go beyond voting. IF they had a method to do so, and now someone is wanting to take it away...its crap. Voting should be one of the easiest things out there...it should not be made more difficult for political gain. And that is what these changes are meant to do. Make it harder for some, for their own political gain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted April 1, 2014 link ? Now, I know Drobe, RP, FH, BudBro will use their collective intellect to come up with a stunning rhetorical response consisting of , but this is a pretty damning collection of exactly what I was saying. And please, let;s remember, this is the same "You can't criticize the president in a time of war!" crowd. You gotta love how The Fox crew has deemed Putin as a "Real Leader" , "You gotta hand it to Putin", "That's what you call a leader!" - These are all Fox quotes. Putin likes to hang out with his shirt off, Obama wears Mom jeans!" Putin wrestles tigers - Obama wears Mom Jeans!" - Again, direct quotes from Fox. "Putin - Big, strong musculare on a horse - Hannity - No shiit. It's on tape. - You can't make this shiit up.Fox even puts its logo on this shiit. But when Obummer DOES act like Putin - "He's a dictator! He's a tyrant! - Or wait, no, he's weak and wears Mom jeans! - Which is it? Do you GET why everyone laughs at these focking retards? Here's a link of actual Fox quotes re: same: http://theweek.com/article/index/257636/speedreads-watch-the-daily-show-mock-fox-news-confused-man-crush-on-vladimir-putin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 1, 2014 He also throws like a girl. hth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,450 Posted April 1, 2014 The point is...many places have allowed to early voting and done things to encourage voting and make it easier. Why would anyone be against that? Other than those who want to lessen those voting in order to gain an advantage over the historical statistics. Why do some need extra time to vote? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites