Anyone else think McKinnon can steal the job this weekend?

[McBain 13]

Sooner than later, McKinney will be the early downs back and Asiata will be the passing down back and short shortage. Asiata pass blocking skills will get him snaps. I think the easiest way to predict who will get more touches per game will depend on which team they play. A good offense will force Vikings to be play catch up and Asiata will be on field more. This is true of any RB combo that has a RB that is weak at pass blocking or catching passes ie Morris and Helu.

[Challenger 72]

Pretty sure all this discussion amount to AP can be now safely drop. There are two decent backs for the Viking now.

[p00h 85]

Pretty sure all this discussion amount to AP can be now safely drop. There are two decent backs for the Viking now.

Yup! If they didn't have these 2 backs, they'd be desperate to get AP back so they can go 6-10! These 2 backs are what dictates whether they get AP back this year!!!

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Based on this weekend's game stats, Asiata is getting the goal line carries, would you pick him up off the WW?

are you joking?

[DaBeerz 88]

are you joking?

 

Nope, he's available in my league because I dropped him for Lorenzo Taliaferro.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Sooner than later, McKinney will be the early downs back and Asiata will be the passing down back and short shortage. Asiata pass blocking skills will get him snaps. I think the easiest way to predict who will get more touches per game will depend on which team they play. A good offense will force Vikings to be play catch up and Asiata will be on field more. This is true of any RB combo that has a RB that is weak at pass blocking or catching passes ie Morris and Helu.

 

If it's not Jamal Charles/Thomas Jones....DWill/JStewart.....CJSpiller/F.Jax....it's now Asiata/McKinney.

Why do fantasy baller keep doing this chit??! You guys make it sound like Asiata is some chump. Dude has scored 3TD twice in 5 games started.

[p00h 85]

 

If it's not Jamal Charles/Thomas Jones....DWill/JStewart.....CJSpiller/F.Jax....it's now Asiata/McKinney.

Why do fantasy baller keep doing this chit??! You guys make it sound like Asiata is some chump. Dude has scored 3TD in twice in 5 games started.

I'm about done with this board or any other board. It really is the dumbest ahit ever. These platforms were designed to disseminate information. Facts. Instead morons spout the most absurd opinions ever. Literally 95% of this forearm is people lining up polar opposite opinions based on their desires. With zero facts to support it. Read the top 20 threads here and you'll see what I mean. Guess it's the epitome of the Internet. This site is practically useless with this garbage...

[JT 137]

 

If it's not Jamal Charles/Thomas Jones....DWill/JStewart.....CJSpiller/F.Jax....it's now Asiata/McKinney.

Why do fantasy baller keep doing this chit??! You guys make it sound like Asiata is some chump. Dude has scored 3TD in twice in 5 games started.

 

People loves the backup. Don't know why, but they always do.

 

[murf74 461]

 

If it's not Jamal Charles/Thomas Jones....DWill/JStewart.....CJSpiller/F.Jax....it's now Asiata/McKinney.

Why do fantasy baller keep doing this chit??! You guys make it sound like Asiata is some chump. Dude has scored 3TD in twice in 5 games started.

Never seen a waiver wire starting rb with good to great production so disrespected. Never in a year where McCoy sucks Lacy sucks forte hasn't scores Charles is hurt what more do people want from 44?

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Never seen a waiver wire starting rb with good to great production so disrespected. Never in a year where McCoy sucks Lacy sucks forte hasn't scores Charles is hurt what more do people want from 44?

 

I blame it all on Mel Kipper and ESPN.

This notion that football talent is derived from combine numbers is nothing but pure fantasy.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

I'm about done with this board or any other board. It really is the dumbest ahit ever. These platforms were designed to disseminate information. Facts. Instead morons spout the most absurd opinions ever. Literally 95% of this forearm is people lining up polar opposite opinions based on their desires. With zero facts to support it. Read the top 20 threads here and you'll see what I mean. Guess it's the epitome of the Internet. This site is practically useless with this garbage...

 

I agree and it all ends into a slapping match.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Again, how does an 'inferior' talent score 7 TD in 5 games started?

How did he earn the backup role behind one of the greatest RB to play the game.

 

Pure Madness!

Give the dude (Asiata) some respect.

[TennisMenace 156]

Asiata is not exactly running wild. His yards per carry is paltry, but I will give you this- he is scoring short TD runs. Don't you think McKinnon would score those too if given the chance? No doubt to me McKinnon is the superior runner.

[murf74 461]

Asiata is not exactly running wild. His yards per carry is paltry, but I will give you this- he is scoring short TD runs. Don't you think McKinnon would score those too if given the chance? No doubt to me McKinnon is the superior runner.

 

Does anyone play in fantasy leagues that actually give you points for TDs and yards or does everyone base their starters on who has the best combine numbers or who they think is superior.

 

I kinda like production.

 

3.4 yards per carry is Matt's average for the year....here are some notable backs at 3.4 or lower this year most of which don't get any talk of backups being superior (outside of Trich)

 

M. Ball 3.4

G. Bernard 3.4

S. Ridley 3.4

T Richardson 3.3

J Bell 3.2

R Matthews 3.1

E Lacy 3.0

L McCoy 2.7

J Charles 2.6

Toby 2.6

D Martin 2.1

D Brown 2.0

 

Can we all just stop with the madness of how "bad" a runner Matt is unless you want to start including all these guys?

 

You guys are just uninformed or bias or something

[PackYourNut 47]

 

Does anyone play in fantasy leagues that actually give you points for TDs and yards or does everyone base their starters on who has the best combine numbers or who they think is superior.

 

I kinda like production.

 

3.4 yards per carry is Matt's average for the year....here are some notable backs at 3.4 or lower this year most of which don't get any talk of backups being superior (outside of Trich)

 

M. Ball 3.4

G. Bernard 3.4

S. Ridley 3.4

T Richardson 3.3

J Bell 3.2

R Matthews 3.1

E Lacy 3.0

L McCoy 2.7

J Charles 2.6

Toby 2.6

D Martin 2.1

D Brown 2.0

 

Can we all just stop with the madness of how "bad" a runner Matt is unless you want to start including all these guys?

 

You guys are just uninformed or bias or something

 

Everyone of those guys has been a disappointment except Gio because he has done a lot through the air.

[murf74 461]

 

Everyone of those guys has been a disappointment except Gio because he has done a lot through the air.

 

Yes most are under him in yards per carry and TDs and overall fantasy points.

 

Asiata has not disappointed in any category. None yet all anyone does is ###### about how he sucks which I think is comical. 3.4 is not a horrible average

 

Except he isn't sexy enough for you guys on this bored for some reason. Points and production don't matter round here. You want long flowing hair a cool nickname or to have seen this coming. Nobody saw this production coming so everyone has to just say he sucks

 

8th best fantasy RB in standard NFL.com leagues and only in 3 games really

[Gratefulegg1973 261]

Murf, are you related to him or something? McKinnon's the more talented back. Even a moron can see that. Doesn't mean Asatia is bad, or that they both can't be productive.

[HOKIEZ 34]

Maybe asiata is this years moreno. Everyone dogged moreno last year and pimped montee ball. They said moreno wasnt flashy enough and he looked pedestrian..howd that one end up...and dont give me the speel about denvers offense..thats not the point here

[murf74 461]

Maybe asiata is this years moreno. Everyone dogged moreno last year and pimped montee ball. They said moreno wasnt flashy enough and he looked pedestrian..howd that one end up...and dont give me the speel about denvers offense..thats not the point here

 

Yep, fantasy football doesn't know how to deal with consistent and steady.

[murf74 461]

Murf, are you related to him or something? McKinnon's the more talented back. Even a moron can see that. Doesn't mean Asatia is bad, or that they both can't be productive.

 

If he was the more talented back, he would be starting RB. Norv knows RBs

 

They will both be productive, just like other RB tandoms, I am saying Asiata is not a bad RB.

[Cuse9 129]

Murf, are you related to him or something? McKinnon's the more talented back. Even a moron can see that. Doesn't mean Asatia is bad, or that they both can't be productive.

 

CJ Spiller is easily more talented than Fred. Antone Smith is easily more talented than SJax..and so on. McKinnon will be another guy on the bench that has talent. None of us are privy to practices to know why talented guys stay kn the bench.

[murf74 461]

CJ Spiller is easily more talented than Fred. Antone Smith is easily more talented than SJax..and so on. McKinnon will be another guy on the bench that has talent. None of us are privy to practices to know why talented guys stay kn the bench.

 

I agree on the Smith vs. Sjax, totally disagree on Spiller though. Fjax is a stud, Spiller is overrated.

 

I think a lot of more talented guys are over talented in some areas that we see and weak in others. Who knows they may not even hit the right holes, read their blocks, etc.

 

Football (to those who played before) is more than just running to daylight

[HOKIEZ 34]

Yep athleticism and talent...two different things. F jax is still producing at 33 bc he is a smart footbally player that is well rounded

[tanatastic 2,062]

I agree, this is a despicable lack of respect for Asiata who has done nothing but score as many or more tds than AP likely would while running for respectable gains. Even roto world blurb says "the gap in talent between the two is a canyon." Talking about McKinnon. Pretty sure the Vikings see things differently and are quite happy to have a tough running guy like asiata and a talented change of pace behind him.

[sperri40 12]

Yup, it is a change of pace when he comes in and runs for 2X Asiata's YPC.

 

The Asiata fan club is amusing...

[murf74 461]

Yup, it is a change of pace when he comes in and runs for 2X Asiata's YPC.

 

The Asiata fan club is amusing...

 

 

YPC of McKinnon by game

 

1.0

3.5

-0.5

7.5

 

Which one of these is not like the other?

 

Amusing is my RB flex scoring 28 non ppr points this week, how many points did your flex score?

[sperri40 12]

 

 

YPC of McKinnon by game

 

1.0

3.5

-0.5

7.5

 

Which one of these is not like the other?

 

Amusing is my RB flex scoring 28 non ppr points this week, how many points did your flex score?

 

Zero. We don't do the flex BS.

 

As for which one of those things is not like the other, the answer is simple...the one where he actually got carries. You're not actually going to base what a guy is capable of going on two carries a game are you? Come on...

[murf74 461]

 

Zero. We don't do the flex BS.

 

As for which one of those things is not like the other, the answer is simple...the one where he actually got carries. You're not actually going to base what a guy is capable of going on two carries a game are you? Come on...

OK so what did your #1 and #2 RBs give you this week non PPR? I know I won't get honest but how in world can you not like Asiata production in fantasy

[sperri40 12]

OK so what did your #1 and #2 RBs give you this week non PPR? I know I won't get honest but how in world can you not like Asiata production in fantasy

 

So now my honesty is being questioned...this gets better by the post.

 

Anyway, we start 2 RBs and mine were Lacy and Ivory and yes, Asiata out performed them both...combined I imagine. And no, that does not make Asiata good.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

It does not make him good but great in fantasy terms.

 

This is a game based on output, don't pretend you know more than the coaches and what the numbers are reflecting..

[sperri40 12]

It does not make him good but great in fantasy terms.

 

This is a game based on output, don't pretend you know more than the coaches and what the numbers are reflecting..

 

I am not pretending anything. This guy is nothing special. Fantasy-wise? Sure, he's had a nice three weeks and given how crappy many MUCH higher regarded RBs are doing, he's been a find. However, he's still averaging 3.4 YPC and isn't anywhere nearly as explosive as McKinnon. In the end, McKinnon is a lock to eat into whatever value Asiata has and I am guessing that's what the Asiata owners are fearing.

 

Personally, I don't have either. I have the #2 waiver pick and will probably take a shot on McKinnon if the guy ahead of me doesn't get him. I am sure he is not as polished as the coaches would like to see, but his ability is undeniable.

[PackYourNut 47]

 

If he was the more talented back, he would be starting RB. Norv knows RBs

 

They will both be productive, just like other RB tandoms, I am saying Asiata is not a bad RB.

 

He's not starting because he is a rookie who they were bringing along slowly because they had a stud in AP. It has nothing to do with talent at this point, he just wasn't ready last week with basically 1 week to prepare. Asiata has been in the league and knows the ropes better. He is starting because of experience.

 

Now 2 weeks in and McKinnon is seeing the field more because the Vikings know they are done with AP and they also know that Asiata is backup level talent. That doesn't mean isn't successful or can't be successful. The facts speak for themselves.

 

However, when the coach is already talking about McKinnon being the lead back "next year", it tells you what they think from a talent perspective. McKinnon is the future. The question is: when?

 

My guess is it will be this year and I don't own either of them in redraft. So my view is not tainted at all!

 

By Week 8!

[murf74 461]

 

He's not starting because he is a rookie who they were bringing along slowly because they had a stud in AP. It has nothing to do with talent at this point, he just wasn't ready last week with basically 1 week to prepare. Asiata has been in the league and knows the ropes better. He is starting because of experience.

 

Now 2 weeks in and McKinnon is seeing the field more because the Vikings know they are done with AP and they also know that Asiata is backup level talent. That doesn't mean isn't successful or can't be successful. The facts speak for themselves.

 

However, when the coach is already talking about McKinnon being the lead back "next year", it tells you what they think from a talent perspective. McKinnon is the future. The question is: when?

 

My guess is it will be this year and I don't own either of them in redraft. So my view is not tainted at all!

 

By Week 8!

Well asiata is gonna have to do something besides average only "3.4" and be a TD machine to lose his job. Coaches already said the rookie is a change of pace guy

[sperri40 12]

 

He's not starting because he is a rookie who they were bringing along slowly because they had a stud in AP. It has nothing to do with talent at this point, he just wasn't ready last week with basically 1 week to prepare. Asiata has been in the league and knows the ropes better. He is starting because of experience.

 

Now 2 weeks in and McKinnon is seeing the field more because the Vikings know they are done with AP and they also know that Asiata is backup level talent. That doesn't mean isn't successful or can't be successful. The facts speak for themselves.

 

However, when the coach is already talking about McKinnon being the lead back "next year", it tells you what they think from a talent perspective. McKinnon is the future. The question is: when?

 

My guess is it will be this year and I don't own either of them in redraft. So my view is not tainted at all!

 

By Week 8!

 

Exactly.

 

He had five carries going into last week. Five.

[murf74 461]

It does not make him good but great in fantasy terms.

 

This is a game based on output, don't pretend you know more than the coaches and what the numbers are reflecting..

Yes my 3rd rb out scores his top 2 combined and he is the one we should listen to for talent evaluation.

[Challenger 72]

 

He's not starting because he is a rookie who they were bringing along slowly because they had a stud in AP. It has nothing to do with talent at this point, he just wasn't ready last week with basically 1 week to prepare. Asiata has been in the league and knows the ropes better. He is starting because of experience.

 

Now 2 weeks in and McKinnon is seeing the field more because the Vikings know they are done with AP and they also know that Asiata is backup level talent. That doesn't mean isn't successful or can't be successful. The facts speak for themselves.

 

However, when the coach is already talking about McKinnon being the lead back "next year", it tells you what they think from a talent perspective. McKinnon is the future. The question is: when?

 

My guess is it will be this year and I don't own either of them in redraft. So my view is not tainted at all!

 

By Week 8!

 

What are you talking about? The coach talk about McKinnon being the lead back?? They drafted him as the third down back and continue to say so in every interview.

 

Speaking at Monday's presser, Vikings coach Mike Zimmer called Jerick McKinnon a change-of-pace back. Sep 29

 

Vikings GM Rick Spielman reiterated on NFL Insiders that he envisions third-round pick Jerick McKinnon as a "third-down type back." May 20

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

So the dude has one good game and he's already crowned? I know these debates are waste of time. We'll see how it turns out by seasons end..

[sperri40 12]

Yes my 3rd rb out scores his top 2 combined and he is the one we should listen to for talent evaluation.

 

You can listen to whomever you want. I was never selling anything, pimping a website or any crap like that. If you think Asiata will finish as a Top 8 TB, good luck to you.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

I don't think anyone is arguing that Asiata hasn't been productive, but when you watch the games are you seeing him make plays the other guys can't make?

 

I see a guy that has played well and had some good breaks. There is nothing wrong with that. I also don't think it's a stretch to say that Mack has more upside based on physical ability but he still has a ways to go to be a complete player.

 

Asiata should be in your starting lineup every week until something shows you other wise. Mack is still a wait and see type of guy.

[sperri40 12]

So the dude has one good game and he's already crowned? I know these debates are waste of time. We'll see how it turns out by seasons end..

 

Well, by the same token- Asiata is being defended and labeled a 'TD Machine' after three games this season.

 

But like you said, these debates are a waste of time...and you're completely correct. My 'honesty' has been questioned, as well as my 'talent evaluation'...pretty funny actually. I'll go back to being a 'lurker' on the sidelines.