Anyone else think McKinnon can steal the job this weekend?

[rsmnutt 8]

More value in a redraft this season going forward... Hyde or McKinnon?

[skoal2k4 15]

I think we'll see exactly what we saw in the previous game... they will rotate series unless there is an injury to one of them or one of them gives the coaches reason to not play them. I think it's going to be full blown RBBC with some games Asiata getting 15 carries to McKinnon's 10 and some games vice-versa. I also believe that the coaching staff is comfortable with either of them as their goal line back

 

This is just gut feeling from watching how they played those guys last week... I'm ok with this arrangement as an Asiata owner

[Connorsdad 38]

Great Thread ! I love to see some passion on here ! I'm in multiple money leagues and I've got Asiata in 3 and McKinnon in 2 but none in the same league which sux. Right now I'm in wait and see mode. No doubt McKinnon is the better athlete but so far Asiata is getting more ops which equals more fantasy points. Yes that could change anytime. The NFL changes week to week. I couldn't tell you but it seems that McKinnon struggles in pass protection which is a big negitive with him being a every down back anytime soon. Yes he could improve in practice and they could give him an extended look in passing situations. For now it's Asiata rb1 and McKinnon change of pace. Lol a lot of anger in this thread really funny to read. I take ff pretty serious but not to this level to get pissy if I don't have a player that's doing pretty good for a waiver pickup. I feel lucky that I got either Asiata or McKinnon.

 

Plus Asiata was a big reason why i won high points for the week in two leagues. A cool $100 bucks each league.

 

Good luck 1

[tigeru 65]

McKinnon on ww in the leagues I'm in. I reckon someone will grab him as the one game wonder. Quick turn around for Thursday game probably will be a ww churn.

[TennisMenace 156]

I have my choice between McKinnon and Crowell.

 

Who do you guys like more going forward?

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

I have my choice between McKinnon and Crowell.

 

Who do you guys like more going forward?

 

Crowell hands down. He might start this week.

15+ carries and Goalline work.

 

You can't say that about McKinnon.

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

This conversation needs to go pause if Ponder plays. Nothing that happens with Ponder will be indicative of the value of either Asiata or McKinnon.

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

McKinnon on ww in the leagues I'm in. I reckon someone will grab him as the one game wonder. Quick turn around for Thursday game probably will be a ww churn.

 

I think Sunday proved McK is a long term hold, several games. I saw McK in the Dome the week before and he hardly saw the field.

[PackYourNut 47]

 

Crowell hands down. He might start this week.

15+ carries and Goalline work.

 

You can't say that about McKinnon.

 

Signed... An Asiata owner...

 

 

 

I have my choice between McKinnon and Crowell.

 

Who do you guys like more going forward?

 

Word to the wise...Some people blindly pump their own players...

 

Currently, the news is that Tate is scheduled to start and get 60% with Crowell and West splitting the other 40%... Now, that could change at any moment.

 

Going forward I like them both as I don't think Tate can stay healthy, but if everything stays the same as it is now, then I would much rather have Mckinnon who will split carries with one guy, vs. Crowell who will split carries with 2 guys.

 

It's simple math. Do you want a guy getting 50% or more of the carriers or a guy getting 20% of the carries?

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

Looks like Buffalo's CJ Spiller and Fred Jackson.

 

If it's not Jamal Charles/Thomas Jones....DWill/JStewart.....CJSpiller/F.Jax....it's now Asiata/McKinney.

Why do fantasy baller keep doing this chit??! You guys make it sound like Asiata is some chump. Dude has scored 3TD twice in 5 games started.

 

I'm about done with this board or any other board. It really is the dumbest ahit ever. These platforms were designed to disseminate information. Facts. Instead morons spout the most absurd opinions ever. Literally 95% of this forearm is people lining up polar opposite opinions based on their desires. With zero facts to support it. Read the top 20 threads here and you'll see what I mean. Guess it's the epitome of the Internet. This site is practically useless with this garbage...

 

People loves the backup. Don't know why, but they always do.

 

Never seen a waiver wire starting rb with good to great production so disrespected. Never in a year where McCoy sucks Lacy sucks forte hasn't scores Charles is hurt what more do people want from 44?

 

CJ Spiller is easily more talented than Fred. Antone Smith is easily more talented than SJax..and so on. McKinnon will be another guy on the bench that has talent. None of us are privy to practices to know why talented guys stay kn the bench.

 

I agree on the Smith vs. Sjax, totally disagree on Spiller though. Fjax is a stud, Spiller is overrated.

 

I think a lot of more talented guys are over talented in some areas that we see and weak in others. Who knows they may not even hit the right holes, read their blocks, etc.

 

Football (to those who played before) is more than just running to daylight

 

I don't agree with the FJax/Spiller comparisons.

 

I think a better way to think of what this might become - later on - is BJGE & Gio Bernard last year.... and then next year it may look like Bernad and Hill this year.

 

Asiata is much better than BJGE (he deserves respect and to be started and held on your FF team, I am just talking about rolls here) but that doesn't mean there isn't room for one more.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

 

Signed... An Asiata owner...

 

 

 

 

Word to the wise...Some people blindly pump their own players...

 

Currently, the news is that Tate is scheduled to start and get 60% with Crowell and West splitting the other 40%... Now, that could change at any moment.

 

Going forward I like them both as I don't think Tate can stay healthy, but if everything stays the same as it is now, then I would much rather have Mckinnon who will split carries with one guy, vs. Crowell who will split carries with 2 guys.

 

It's simple math. Do you want a guy getting 50% or more of the carriers or a guy getting 20% of the carries?

 

I'm never bias. For tomorrow's game the Vikes will be playing from behind and will need to pass. Guess which RB is a better pass blocker?

 

@PFF has Matt Asiata with perfect pass-blocking rating on 23 snaps. McKinnon poor mark of 71% on 6 snaps

 

There's talk that Crowell has already moved ahead of West and proven he is an every down player with goalline carries.

27 carries, 141 yards and 3 TD

This isn't a QB converted into a RB, the dude was an elite talent at every level.

 

"Isaiah Crowell worked ahead of Terrance West at Browns practice Wednesday.

Crowell pretty severely outplayed West in Cleveland's first three games. With Ben Tate (knee) on the exercise bike during the Browns' bye-week practice, Crowell was the first tailback through the rotation, with West working in second. It certainly sounds like Crowell is passing West on the depth chart. "If a guy’s been productive, you find ways to get him on the field more," coach Mike Pettine said. "That’s a good problem to have. When you have a back, who before the season you weren’t factoring in on being a big part of what you’re doing, and he’s being productive, you find ways to get him out there." Sep 24 - 8:30 PM"

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

I had to go back and check on this.

 

On that fantastic 55-yard run the line destroyed the falcs d-line, & Felton, one of the league's best FBs, obliterated the LB creating a huge hole for McKinnon.

 

Vikings Rewind: Jerick McKinnon's 55-yard run

he situation: Up 14-7 with 13:07 left in the second quarter, the Vikings start their third offensive series at their own 8. They hand the ball off to rookie running back Jerick McKinnon.

The reason: The Vikings are pinned deep in their own end zone and need some room to work with. They design a draw play in this situation, hoping it’ll do the trick.

The result: McKinnon breaks off a career-long 55-yard run on his first carry to the Falcons 37 to put the Vikings in scoring position.

“I was messing with him a little bit,” fullback Jerome Felton said. “I was wondering when I was going to see it, so it’s good to finally see. It’s all good to talk about his speed and everything else, buy you’ve got to show it on Sundays. And he did that.”

 

The Vikings are lined up in an offset “I” formation, with Felton lined up to the right of rookie quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, in a 21 personnel (two backs and one tight end). It’d be considered “strong right” because of Felton’s alignment and tight end Rhett Ellison also lined up on the right side of the line of scrimmage. With McKinnon (circled in yellow) in the backfield, the Falcons stack the box with six near the line of scrimmage. They’re sensing run with the Vikings personnel.

 

They’re fooled. Well, at least initially they’re tricked. Bridgewater immediately sets his feet after receiving the snap and looks to wide receiver Greg Jennings (circled in yellow), who has about eight yards of separation from safety Dwight Lowery (circled in red) in the slot. Bridgewater pump fakes to Jennings, causing the Falcons to believe it’s a pass play.

 

Instead, it’s a delayed “iso draw” with McKinnon receiving the hand off after Bridgewater sells the pump fake. The Vikings did a great job blocking, particularly Felton (circled in yellow on the left) and center John Sullivan (circled in yellow on the right). They clear the entire “A” gap for McKinnon by sealing linebackers Joplo Bartu and Paul Worrilow.

“You want to fool the defense and have the linebackers think we’re about to pass the ball with the defensive line going to their pass rush techniques,” Felton said. “That usually opens up a big hole.”

 

Here’s another angle on how great the blocking was all around on that play by the offensive line, Ellison and Felton. McKinnon wisely opts to cut left, with two unblocked defenders to his right and Jennings and wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson to his left.

What goes unnoticed on this play is McKinnon’s patience before he even receives the hand off.

“We talked about it all week just being patient and letting the quarterback bring the ball to him,” Felton said. “He did a good job of that and that allows them to get in their pass rush stuff with the linebackers thinking it’s pass. That was important to have patience there and you can see he’s really developed as a runner Sunday.”

 

After McKinnon cuts left, his eyes must’ve lit up from all the open space he had. Jennings had a nice block on Lowery to allow McKinnon to bounce outside, then Patterson (circled in yellow) also had a good block down field to allow for more yards on the explosive play.

“I just followed Jerome, and he had a great block – a knockdown as a matter of fact – on the ‘Mike,’” McKinnon said. “I made a cut off of him just ran in space.”

Felton’s block was definitely the most notable on that play, allowing McKinnon to play off the fullback. That first carry set up a breakout performance for McKinnon, who had 18 carries for 135 yards. In the first three games, the rookie had just five carries for seven yards.

“Usually if you’re downhill, the linebacker is going to be downhill,” Felton said. “But if you take a draw set, they’re think you’re about to release into the flat. It kind of keeps them off base and on their heels, and they really don’t know what to expect. I like it. It’s one of my favorite plays, so I’m glad we got that run.”

 

http://blog.startribune.com/sports/access-vikings/vikings-rewind-jerick-mckinnons-55-yard-run

 

 

Something people keep missing about all this pass pro talk is that the Vikes have Jerome Felton, one of the best run and pass blocking FBs in the league.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Correct, that's why gerhart was able to make a living. That Oline with Bridgewater should be able to run against most defenses.

[d'eaux boy 5]

I've reaped the rewards of Asiata the past couple weeks and I used my high waiver priority to pick up Mckinnon today (dropped Pierce). Now I just have to decide if I'll start one or both.

[DaBeerz 88]

Question, would you drop Lorenzo Taliaferro for McKinnon?

 

Or is this pretty much just trading one RBBC RB for another one?

[GS3K 12]

I don't own either but I would try to scoop up McKinnon if I wasn't so sure of a R.B.B.C. for the foreseeable future. My big thing is that I like my players to excel at something and watching Asiata leaves me completely uninspired. For all the talk about people falling in love with measurables there's actually a very strong correlation between specific variables and success in the N.F.L., not necessarily saying that if you're X fast or quick you're amazing but rather that you have tools to do so.

[Challenger 72]

I don't own either but I would try to scoop up McKinnon if I wasn't so sure of a R.B.B.C. for the foreseeable future. My big thing is that I like my players to excel at something and watching Asiata leaves me completely uninspired. For all the talk about people falling in love with measurables there's actually a very strong correlation between specific variables and success in the N.F.L., not necessarily saying that if you're X fast or quick you're amazing but rather that you have tools to do so.

 

The X factor for Asiata? Easy, he gets in the end zone. He is like Fred Jackson but less competition.

[Gratefulegg1973 261]

Fred Jackson? lol. I'm thinking more along the lines of Mike Alstott.

[GS3K 12]

 

The X factor for Asiata? Easy, he gets in the end zone. He is like Fred Jackson but less competition.

 

That is not the x factor but the difference, who's to say that McKinnon wouldn't have scored on those same runs?

[Phil Simms 11 133]

Asiata is a beast. McKinnon is destined to be a kick return specialist or out of the league if he can't pass block. If the vikes are winning McKinnon may get a few runs.

[PackYourNut 47]

Asiata is a beast. McKinnon is destined to be a kick return specialist or out of the league if he can't pass block. If the vikes are winning McKinnon may get a few runs.

 

:lol:

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Everyone arguing for Asiata saw the game on Sunday? Because I am an Asiata owner, he's done great for me in my big money league but I watched that game against the falcons and I watched Asiata vs the Saints. Before I felt pretty comfortable with him for the long haul even though I'm not sold on his talent but man after watching McKinnon (who I don't own) I started to lose some confidence. McKinnon's role has increased significantly, he looks very talented and I can't see his role not increasing more in the future.

 

I'd be careful getting too attached to your players you have to look at it objectively. I don't see how anyone who watched that game couldn't have come away impressed with McKinnon.

 

I own Asiata in a few leagues and I am looking to see how I can acquire Mckinnon.

 

I am worried, Asiata is not the better runner.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

 

I own Asiata in a few leagues and I am looking to see how I can acquire Mckinnon.

 

I am worried, Asiata is not the better runner.

 

But is it all about running?

What about the tough short yardage runs?

What about blocking and receiving?

He did drop 2 passes last weekend and rated a poor 72% on blocking.

[Kopy 571]

Fred Jackson? lol. I'm thinking more along the lines of Mike Alstott.

Alstotts a pretty good comp. I think the fred jackson comp. is really disrespecting fred jackson.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Alstotts a pretty good comp. I think the fred jackson comp. is really disrespecting fred jackson.

 

But Fred Jackson never scored 3 rushing TD in a game.

Why you be disrespecting Asiata! Fred Jackson got NOTHING on Asiata.

[dehaven123 31]

 

I own Asiata in a few leagues and I am looking to see how I can acquire Mckinnon.

 

I am worried, Asiata is not the better runner.

 

while i have hopes for mckinnon, i might be interested in a deal. shoot me something in mffl.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

 

while i have hopes for mckinnon, i might be interested in a deal. shoot me something in mffl.

 

No way, why rattle the cage. I am high points.

[Phil Simms 11 133]

No way, why rattle the cage. I am high points.

I guess you aren't "looking to see how I can acquire him " in that case.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

I guess you aren't "looking to see how I can acquire him " in that case.

 

I traded for him this morning in a dynasty league, and have trade offers for him in another league.

I do not own asiata in the league I am in with DeHaven.

[dehaven123 31]

No way, why rattle the cage. I am high points.

 

k no worries

[Giants Fan 85]

Which one is a better mudder?

 

[DaBeerz 88]

Why are you guys so geeked on McKinnon?

 

Asiata is getting the GL carries, that's what counts for an RB3, not yards.

 

McKinnon is in the exact same RBBC situation that Forsett/Taliaferro are in. He's not just all of a sudden gonna blow up and become a stud.

 

He's also undersized at 5'9" and 208, that's too small to become a featured every-down back. Asiata is always gonna be there vulturing the short yardage GL carries.

[PackYourNut 47]

He's also undersized at 5'9" and 208, that's too small to become a featured every-down back.

 

He's not too small, there are numerous players who not only succeed but excel at that weight: Charles is 5'11 200, McCoy is 5'11 208

 

Emmit Smith was 5'9, 210 coming out of college... Barry Sanders was 5'8, 200

[KryptonKnights 6]

I have them both so I don't really care who wins the lead back role but I know this if Mckinnon can't handle the pass rush he won't play much. Yeah Asiata isn't a dynamic runner. He isn't going to be the second coming of Barry Sanders. If he reminds me of anyone it's Jerome Bettis. Seems like that guy turned solid skills and hard running into a pretty decent career.

[DaBeerz 88]

 

He's not too small, there are numerous players who not only succeed but excel at that weight: Charles is 5'11 200, McCoy is 5'11 208

 

Emmit Smith was 5'9, 210 coming out of college... Barry Sanders was 5'8, 200

 

5'10" 220 is the ideal size for an NFL back nowadays. Look at the following top 5 RB height and weight:

 

D. Murray DAL - 6'0" - 217

M. Lynch SEA - 5' 11" - 215

R. Jennings NYG - 6' 1" - 231

L. Bell PIT - 6'1" - 244

G. Bernard - 5' 9" - 208

 

Most of the backs are closer to 220 to handle the workload.

 

Barry had a lot of his Goal Line carries vultured by bigger backs.

 

Also, Asiata is a huge bruising back, there is no way they're not going to give him the ball in short yardage situations.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

I have them both so I don't really care who wins the lead back role but I know this if Mckinnon can't handle the pass rush he won't play much. Yeah Asiata isn't a dynamic runner. He isn't going to be the second coming of Barry Sanders. If he reminds me of anyone it's Jerome Bettis. Seems like that guy turned solid skills and hard running into a pretty decent career.

 

Now that's old school football. Bruisers these days are called plodders. Anyone realize that if you can average 3.5 yards per carry that's a solid first down with 3 touches?

Okay, you don't get the big plays but the big plays can be made by your other play makers. Jennings? CP? Wright?

[DaBeerz 88]

 

Now that's old school football. Bruisers these days are called plodders. Anyone realize that if you can average 3.5 yards per carry that's a solid first down with 3 touches?

Okay, you don't get the big plays but the big plays can be made by your other play makers. Jennings? CP? Wright?

 

They're called Fullbacks. ;-) 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

 

Remember Ron Dayne?

 

Brandon Jacobs?

 

The huge backs weren't exactly world beaters, they couldn't get to the second level.

[PackYourNut 47]

 

5'10" 220 is the ideal size for an NFL back nowadays. Look at the following top 5 RB height and weight:

 

D. Murray DAL - 6'0" - 217

M. Lynch SEA - 5' 11" - 215

R. Jennings NYG - 6' 1" - 231

L. Bell PIT - 6'1" - 244

G. Bernard - 5' 9" - 208

 

Most of the backs are closer to 220 to handle the workload.

 

Barry had a lot of his Goal Line carries vultured by bigger backs.

 

Also, Asiata is a huge bruising back, there is no way they're not going to give him the ball in short yardage situations.

 

Not sure what your list suggests, but...

 

Murray is always injured..

Jennings is a perennial back up

Bell isn't 244

 

So, I'm not sure where you are going. There are plenty of successful backs with his size. You don't look at 4 weeks and say this is a prototypical back. Look at years worth of data if you want... There are back in both categories that have been very successful.

[DaBeerz 88]

 

 

Bell isn't 244

 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15825/leveon-bell

 

[PackYourNut 47]

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15825/leveon-bell

 

 

Old stats bro...

 

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2014-pittsburgh-steelers-training-camp-news-times-schedule-tickets-updates/2014/7/29/5947519/steelers-rb-leveon-bell-dropped-20-pounds-in-the-offseason