kilroy69 1,235 Posted October 6, 2014 also peenie trying to claim that blacks today have a harder time than gays is absurd. You cant fire someone for being black or deny them housing. Guess what though? You sure can do both if you find out they are gay. Black people are ingrained to find the angle to play the race card.At this point they simply can not help it. The leaders of their community have instilled this into them. every time something bad happens to a black person it obviously has to do with race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,235 Posted October 6, 2014 eta I once saw a black woman accuse the local mcdonalds of being racist for not serving her breakfast......at 3pm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,906 Posted October 6, 2014 She wanted a white child and I'm guessing she spent hours of research and a lot of money finding this clinic and giving specific directions on what she wanted. They made a mistake that can't be corrected. Thus she is entitled to compensation and $50K is more than fair. She could probably milk them for ten times that amount. Calling this woman racist is like calling someone racist because she asked for X and got Y instead is ridiculous. please don't misunderstand, i absolutely agree that she should be awarded damages for not getting what she asked for. i do not think she is racist for wanting money for getting sperm from a black donor vs a white donor. look again at my responses. i don't believe she is racist for bringing this suit. she did not get what she signed a contract for, plain and simple. i just mentioned that race is a social construct and pointing how ridiculous this all is. meaning, her child is not black. her child is most likely white, BUT our country does not recognize a person is white unless both parents and all 4 grandparents are white. YET a person can be labeled black if only one grandparent is black. that makes no sense. most likely the father of her child is black american therefore not 100% african. i think black americans are in general 30% white. so, if dad is 30% white the offspring is in fact 65% white. that baby is more white than black. why are we still calling her black? we don't make that distinction the other way around. why not say the child is white? this is a hold over from slavery, using the one drop rule to classify someone. lastly, how do we know that the mother is in fact 100% white? maybe she has black ancestry and it has just shown up in the child. did the company say for sure they gave the mom black sperm? why not make her prove she isn't black first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,253 Posted October 6, 2014 I was responding to this: her baby is beautiful, she should be grateful considering what she would've ever produced. the issue about her hair is insanity. our hair cuts with scissors, the same as everyone else. i never went to a special hair stylist. i wish she would've given the child up for adoption and then sued quietly. newsflash: it's harder being black than being homosexual and white people are really racist. How is this story at all evidence of white racism? You have a point about race being a social construct and the fact that any amount of black = black is nonsense. But the point is that people (including black people) generally agree that "black" is one range of skin tones and hair types and "white" is a narrower range of skin tones and hair type. So a black couple getting a slightly lighter skinned child isn't going to be nearly as different than if they got a kid with distinctive asian features. This story isn't evidence of white racism, it's evidence of human nature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,906 Posted October 6, 2014 I was responding to this: How is this story at all evidence of white racism? You have a point about race being a social construct and the fact that any amount of black = black is nonsense. But the point is that people (including black people) generally agree that "black" is one range of skin tones and hair types and "white" is a narrower range of skin tones and hair type. So a black couple getting a slightly lighter skinned child isn't going to be nearly as different than if they got a kid with distinctive asian features. This story isn't evidence of white racism, it's evidence of human nature. why do you all keep saying that i am saying this suit against the company is racism??? i was not saying that at all!! the woman in the article said that she didn't want to have to raise a child in an all white neighborhood because the people there are intolerant. she was crying about it. i was just kind of laughingly noting that she was noting that whites are racist, like, is that news? haven't "we" been saying that forever. it's like, it's only relevant when a white person (because she is now a mother of a child of color) experiences it. that is why i wrote newsflash. i also noted that apparently these same residents seem to accept her homosexuality. she wasn't considering her neighborhood as a place of intolerance as a gay person, but instead a place unsuitable for a black person, therefore being black is more of an obstacle than being gay according to what she is stating. once again, i do not feel she is wrong for suing the company. it is not racist for her to sue the company. i am simply noting the ridiculousness the aspects surrounding case and what how we classify a person as black. btw, being black is SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. most countries don't even have color as an identifier (only countries that were slave colonies use it). i hope this case begins the end of racial classifications. it's bullsht anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,253 Posted October 6, 2014 why do you all keep saying that i am saying this suit against the company is racism??? i was not saying that at all!! the woman in the article said that she didn't want to have to raise a child in an all white neighborhood because the people there are intolerant. she was crying about it. i was just kind of laughingly noting that she was noting that whites are racist, like, is that news? haven't "we" been saying that forever. it's like, it's only relevant when a white person (because she is now a mother of a child of color) experiences it. That was a pretty stupid tact for her to take and unnecessary, she has a case without moaning about racism. Your broad brush calling out of all "whites" as racist is pretty obnoxious though. I'd never say "blacks" are criminals or lazy or poor, although I realize a lot of geeks go there ... Yeah I know race is a construct, I've actually taken courses on things like inter cultural communication so this idea isn't news to me, thanks. ETA FWIW I like you and think you add a really good element and perspective to this forearm, I just don't like seeing everyone who look like me smeared because of your bad experiences with a few folks on the forearm so keep fighting the good fight but you shouldn't alienate your allies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naomi 356 Posted October 6, 2014 the woman in the article said that she didn't want to have to raise a child in an all white neighborhood because the people there are intolerant. she was crying about it. i was just kind of laughingly noting that she was noting that whites are racist, like, is that news? haven't "we" been saying that forever. it's like, it's only relevant when a white person (because she is now a mother of a child of color) experiences it. The thing that got me about how she was wording all of that is it sounds really melodramatic. Not relevant. In reality, this town that they feel comfortable in as same-sex parents...is probably not going to treat the "mixed race" child as different. I bet there's far more towns that would look askance at their relationship while not at the child at all. Manufacturing/overstating hardship bolsters their case. Hopefully that's her point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BudBro 177 Posted October 6, 2014 The thing that got me about how she was wording all of that is it sounds really melodramatic. Not relevant. In reality, this town that they feel comfortable in as same-sex parents...is probably not going to treat the "mixed race" child as different. I bet there's far more towns that would look askance at their relationship while not at the child at all. Manufacturing/overstating hardship bolsters their case. Hopefully that's her point. hopefully, the judge says "this is a gigantic waste of time. have a nice day now." askance... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted October 6, 2014 Beautiful child, a shame these attention starved weirdo parents are making her a circus side show. They could have sued on the down low. Nope has to be another hey "look at us, we're focking weirdo's and victims" moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,906 Posted October 6, 2014 I just don't like seeing everyone who look like me smeared because of your bad experiences with a few folks on the forearm so keep fighting the good fight but you shouldn't alienate your allies. you know what? my wording was insensitive. i do not believe ALL my white sisters and brothers are racist or hate black people. i do not believe that at all. furthermore, i believe there are people in her town who feel the exact same way you do. they don't appreciate being labeled intolerant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,253 Posted October 6, 2014 you know what? my wording was insensitive. i do not believe ALL my white sisters and brothers are racist or hate black people. i do not believe that at all. furthermore, i believe there are people in her town who feel the exact same way. they don't appreciate being labeled intolerant. Fair enough Peenie and I will grant you that her concerns about white insensitivity probably say more about the mom and her own feelings than her neighbors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 596 Posted October 7, 2014 Fair enough Peenie and I will grant you that her concerns about white insensitivity probably say more about the mom and her own feelings than her neighbors.What the hell is white insensitivity? Eta: I'm a white guy, is there done sensitivity I'm supposed to be feeling? Am I oblivious even though I was named to the board of a nonprofit that goes to 99% black kids? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,906 Posted October 7, 2014 the younger generation gets it: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 989 Posted October 7, 2014 i just mentioned that race is a social construct and pointing how ridiculous this all is. meaning, her child is not black. her child is most likely white, BUT our country does not recognize a person is white unless both parents and all 4 grandparents are white. YET a person can be labeled black if only one grandparent is black. that makes no sense. Sounds like Nazi Germany... when they passed the Nuremberg laws, they had to decide "how Jewish was Jewish?" They decided 25% was acceptable, but beyond that.... verboten! Which was actually more tolerant than old America. When laws were passed about who could sit where on busses and who could drink from which water-fountains, it didn't take long before the courts had people saying "wait a minute, I'm not black. I'm only 25% black!?!" So the courts had to decide how black was black. I could be wrong, but as I understand it the courts ruled 1/8th black was black. Probably based on the old word "octoroon" which literally means 1/8th black. Amazing that actually happened in America. Good to know many white Americans thought the whole thing was disgusting. Not my ancestors, but others I'm sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,789 Posted October 7, 2014 newsflash: it's harder being black than being homosexual and white people are really racist. That's focking stupid. Even for you. 1. Black couple. 'Wife' ends up in the hospital after being beaten to pieces by her POS Nger "husband". He has full rights over her health care and subsequent life or death decisions. 2. Committed gay couple. Loving, together for 20 years. Gay spouse gets beaten near to death by the aforementioned nger from above. Partner has absolutely no rights in most states regarding her partner's care and long term status. Educate yourself. Because right now, you make Sheila Jackson Lee sound intelligent. And, If white people were so darn racist, wouldn't they be that way across the board? Toward Asians, Latinas, Europeans, Indians, etc. - Why is it that there is so much virulence against blacks compared to any other race? Do you not think it has anything to do with the behaviors of blacks themselves? Is there a reason why they take up the majority of both Welfare and Jail Space whilst comprising less than 13% of the population? How many whites do you see railing against the problem of Asians in their society? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,789 Posted October 7, 2014 She's not suing for $50,000. When you file suite, you file for a sum of excess $50,000. The actual amount won't come up until it goes to trial or a settlement. It is completely irrelevant at this point in the process. And, yet again, Jerry and MDC look like idiots.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted October 7, 2014 Would it have killed her to find a decent guy and bang? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,083 Posted October 7, 2014 Would it have killed her to find a decent guy and bang? You volunteering? :puke: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,188 Posted October 7, 2014 She has grounds for a lawsuit, regardless of her internal motivations. She clearly has a child that she loves, but apparently that child does not look the way she wanted it to. What if the child appeared to not be bi racial, would she still sue if she found out the father was African? Just wondering.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites