GobbleDog 1,001 Posted November 7, 2014 Do NFL referees ALWAYS ask coaches after every penalty if they want to accept/decline, or do they just go ahead and decline it on their behalf whenver the better result is blatently obvious? I assume it's the latter, yes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted November 7, 2014 Coaches usually just give them a little signal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 1,001 Posted November 7, 2014 Coaches usually just give them a little signal Usually or always? That's the question. I have no point to this question, I just wanted to know how it works. Example: in the 1st Quarter an offensive TD is scored, but the other team was offsides. Do the refs bother to look at the coach, or do they just decline the penalty because it's obvious? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted November 7, 2014 Usually or always? That's the question. I have not point to this question, I just wanted to know how it works. Example: in the 1st Quarter an offensive TD is scored, but the other team was offsides. Do the refs bother to look at the coach, or do they just decline the penalty because it's obvious? I think they look at the coach. Seems like one of those things you just gotta do even though it's a foregone conclusion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,495 Posted November 7, 2014 Team captains on the field know and tell the zebras. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 1,001 Posted November 7, 2014 "Team captains" versus "coach" The fact that yall don't even agree on who's even making the call, means the question remains unsolved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted November 7, 2014 "Team captains" versus "coach" The fact that yall don't even agree on who's even making the call, means the question remains unsolved. the coach signals to the captain what to do. There's always the option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted November 7, 2014 I don't think that the even ask. The side judge on that side might point that it is on the other team and the coach may signal to decline, but it is not like they can't change the decision after the ref makes his call. We had a situation a couple of weeks ago in a playoff game. Last play of the half, other team has the ball on 25 or so and they run a screen that I think they score on over at the far end zone. Flag on the play. Ref signals ineligible downfield on the offense and declined by the defense (us) and he raises his hands in the air. I think that he has just given them a TD for no reason, so I flip out. He comes over and explains that the kid did not score and was pushed out at the 2 and his hands in the air were supposed to be signaling end of the half (he is only supposed to put one arm out sideways). We laughed and moved on. I think I only broke 2 blood vessels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted November 7, 2014 Usually or always? That's the question. I have no point to this question, I just wanted to know how it works. Example: in the 1st Quarter an offensive TD is scored, but the other team was offsides. Do the refs bother to look at the coach, or do they just decline the penalty because it's obvious? Do any of you watch football? The officals never make an automatic call, it always comes from the coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 1,001 Posted November 7, 2014 Do any of you watch football? The officals never make an automatic call, it always comes from the coach. Then why do coaches often look like they're hearing it for the first time while the refs are announcing it? Last night was perfect example. CLE ran in a goalline TD early in game, but there was an offsides penalty. Head ref immediately announce the call saying "offsides CIN - result of the play is a TD", meanwhile cameras show both coaches listening intently to every word as if they have no clue what's about to be said. Obviously when it's late in the game or decisions with FG locations and whatnot, I get it. But in situations like that, it seems the refs would just make the obvious call without getting actual approval. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted November 7, 2014 Then why do coaches often look like they're hearing it for the first time while the refs are announcing it? Last night was perfect example. CLE ran in a goalline TD early in game, but there was an offsides penalty. Head ref immediately announce the call saying "offsides CIN - result of the play is a TD", meanwhile cameras show both coaches listening intently to every word as if they have no clue what's about to be said. Obviously when it's late in the game or decisions with FG locations and whatnot, I get it. But in situations like that, it seems the refs would just make the obvious call without getting actual approval. OK, the refs only look to the bench when they feel there is an obvious decision to made. Do you feel better now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 1,001 Posted November 7, 2014 OK, the refs only look to the bench when they feel there is an obvious decision to made. Do you feel better now? I win!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted November 7, 2014 Then why do coaches often look like they're hearing it for the first time while the refs are announcing it? Last night was perfect example. CLE ran in a goalline TD early in game, but there was an offsides penalty. Head ref immediately announce the call saying "offsides CIN - result of the play is a TD", meanwhile cameras show both coaches listening intently to every word as if they have no clue what's about to be said. Obviously when it's late in the game or decisions with FG locations and whatnot, I get it. But in situations like that, it seems the refs would just make the obvious call without getting actual approval. I think that one had more to do with the refs never signalling TD in the first place on the play. They announced the flag and the declining (captain probably did that) and then the TD. Id say the team captain has the option to do it...but will look to the sidelines some on less obvious calls of when to take or decline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 1,001 Posted November 7, 2014 They announced the flag and the declining (captain probably did that) and then the TD. Well, did he, or didn't he? That's the whole quesion. Do refs ask for approval on every friking little penalty? This is a yes or no question, which is taking a lot of posts to solve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted November 7, 2014 Well, did he, or didn't he? That's the whole quesion. Do refs ask for approval on every friking little penalty? This is a yes or no question, which is taking a lot of posts to solve. None of us focking know for sure. None of us play...none of us are on an NFL officiating crew. We can tell you what we think probably happens...that is about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 360 Posted November 8, 2014 Well, did he, or didn't he? That's the whole quesion. Do refs ask for approval on every friking little penalty? This is a yes or no question, which is taking a lot of posts to solve. No. It depends on the call. Some calls have no options, others do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,353 Posted November 8, 2014 Where's Tiki? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,901 Posted November 8, 2014 My guess is that officially they are supposed to ask, but in a lot of cases it is a no-brainer and they just do it. If for some reason the coach didn't want it ("no I don't want to accept the roughing the passer penalty, I want the sack$#!"), they would tell the official and they would change it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornton Melon 631 Posted November 9, 2014 Seems to me, years ago (70s/80s), you would always see the referee consult the coach on the sidelines as to accept/decline, then the ref would announce it. These days, the ref announces it immediately, and I'm always thinking: How do you know? I mean, it may be an obvious decline situation, but damn, that was fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,730 Posted November 9, 2014 some penalties are automatically enforced, and some are at the discretion of the team to decide. the coaches are listening intently to see if there was a dead ball fowl, and to see if there was a call that is not so obvious (sometimes the coaches do not see everything that occurs). ie: is someone down near the goal-line? did they actually score? will a penalty alter down and distance, or will it be enforced on the kickoff? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,648 Posted November 10, 2014 I am tired of teams taking the 5 yard delay of game penalty when a team is lining up to punt from inside of the 50. it only helps the team taking the penalty. Why do they always take the penalty? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted November 10, 2014 Well, did he, or didn't he? That's the whole quesion. Do refs ask for approval on every friking little penalty? This is a yes or no question, which is taking a lot of posts to solve. No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted November 10, 2014 No. I mean yes: REFUSAL OF PENALTIES Penalties for all fouls, unless otherwise expressly provided for, may be declined by the Captain of the offended team, in which case play proceeds as though no foul had been committed. From the NFL rule book, Section 6: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/17_Rule14_Penalty_Enforcement.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
