NFL: 11 of 12 Pat's balls under inflated.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Love the new avatar drobeski.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

I suspect that if a legitimate answer were available, this would not be an issue the NFL would bother to investigate.

I suggest people like you with preconceived notions will ignore any all all evidence/theories provided.

And also ignore a boat load of points indicating hypocrisy from the closed minded "facts don't matter they cheated" childish mindset.

[DankNuggs 305]

It's paranoia. Poor Patriots fans have been living for years knowing their team's reputation is that of a cheater. And now they're stuck with the realization that they've most likely done it again. They've had this illusion that Brady is one of the best ever and that Belichick was also. And now the whole damn era is starting to look like a great big fraud. Has to suck.

No, what we've seen is the worst of the human condition and the press. Either haters with preconceived notions to salve the pain of supporting losing franchises, or the media which reports no facts, but has turned into tabloids based of innuendo and fantasy in the quest for ratings. Its pretty disgusting and emblematic of the new america where people are lazy and just looking for something to blame their troubles on.

[drobeski 3,061]

No, what we've seen is the worst of the human condition and the press. Either haters with preconceived notions to salve the pain of supporting losing franchises, or the media which reports no facts, but has turned into tabloids based of innuendo and fantasy in the quest for ratings. Its pretty disgusting and emblematic of the new america where people are lazy and just looking for something to blame their troubles on.

thread winner

[DankNuggs 305]

Anybody wanna take a shot at this one?

 

I really want to understand what the obvious explanations are for 11 of the Pats balls to deflate below the min. psi during the first half while the Colts balls were fine.

Ball loses air pressure from being in a 72 degree room into a 40-50 degree game field. Ball loses .5psi per 10 degrees (if your car has TPMS sensors you see this phenomena everytime you start you car on a cold winter day)

 

Colts ball started at 13.5psi, drops to 12.5 psi... Still good

Patriots ball starts at 12.5psi, drops to 11.5 psi.... No bueno...start the conspiracy.

 

It wouldn't shock me if the balls weren't gauged before the game, as many report the refs do the squeeze test and check for cuts on the ball. If you've ever tried to determine the PSI of your car tires by squeezing them you will see it is next to impossible.

[edjr 6,898]

No, what we've seen is the worst of the human condition and the press. Either haters with preconceived notions to salve the pain of supporting losing franchises, or the media which reports no facts, but has turned into tabloids based of innuendo and fantasy in the quest for ratings. Its pretty disgusting and emblematic of the new america where people are lazy and just looking for something to blame their troubles on.

 

 

The media is a joke, due to agendas and lack of knowledge and needing to the "1st" in this day and age of social media.in all aspects, not just sports.

[DankNuggs 305]

I suggest people like you with preconceived notions will ignore any all all evidence/theories provided.

And also ignore a boat load of points indicating hypocrisy from the closed minded "facts don't matter they cheated" childish mindset.

We've done this song and dance several times with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown... Its all about sensationalizing a larger conspiracy before presenting facts.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Anybody wanna take a shot at this one?

 

I really want to understand what the obvious explanations are for 11 of the Pats balls to deflate below the min. psi during the first half while the Colts balls were fine.

I get the sense that maybe you haven't been following along much? I'm not sure where to even start with this so I guess we'll do it chronologically:

 

pregame inspection: did the refs even take the actual PSI of the balls? Recent reports say no -- but we don't really know because the reporting on this has been terrible since day one. Could be the Pats' balls were slightly underinflated but they still passed the "feel" test. Colts' balls did too but they could've been slightly overinflated for all we know

 

Halftime: did the refs measure the PSI of the Colts' balls or only the Patriots'? If they measured both then did the Colts' balls experience any fluctuation in PSI even if they measured still within the acceptable range?

 

After game: was there any difference in PSI from halftime?

 

Without knowing all this the easiest explanation is: 1) the Patriots' balls were slightly underinflated to start with; 2) the refs were supposed to inflate to 12.5 psi but instead they just felt the balls and decided they were good; 3) the balls experienced a small dip in PSI during the first half so now instead of being slightly under they are well under

 

And I don't think we even necessarily need #3 because if florio is to be believed, most of the balls were only 1 psi under so they could've been simply underinflated from the get go

[KSB2424 3,173]

Sure the media is a joke and they try to be the first to everything................

 

With that said there would be NO story if the NFL wasn't conducting a full investigation. It seems some of y'alls ire is misdirected. I have a hard time blaming the media in this story. Are they sensasionalizing it? Sure, but they do that with EVERYTHING. Not just stories having to do with your beloved team.

 

If this story comes to nothing, its on the NFL. Not the media or the public.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

No, what we've seen is the worst of the human condition and the press. Either haters with preconceived notions to salve the pain of supporting losing franchises, or the media which reports no facts, but has turned into tabloids based of innuendo and fantasy in the quest for ratings. Its pretty disgusting and emblematic of the new america where people are lazy and just looking for something to blame their troubles on.

Focking nailed it

[edjr 6,898]

Sure the media is a joke and they try to be the first to everything................

 

With that said there would be NO story if the NFL wasn't conducting a full investigation.

 

you're really naive if you believe this.

 

You clowns would still be acting the same exact way

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Sure the media is a joke and they try to be the first to everything................

 

With that said there would be NO story if the NFL wasn't conducting a full investigation. It seems some of y'alls ire is misdirected. I have a hard time blaming the media in this story. Are they sensasionalizing it? Sure, but they do that with EVERYTHING. Not just stories having to do with your beloved team.

 

If this story comes to nothing, its on the NFL. Not the media or the public.

But Sho Nuff says the NFL never made any allegations

[vuduchile 1,947]

 

 

Can you be that thick?

 

if the Patriots started at 12.5 and the Colts 13.5. Assuming the weather made them shrink 1 PSI. Can you not figure that out?

That's one theory I've heard as a possibility.

 

But does anyone know the initial readings of both the Colts and Pats balls? Was it recorded anywhere? I assume if those readings were known, we'd have them by now.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

That's one theory I've heard as a possibility.

 

But does anyone know the initial readings of both the Colts and Pats balls? Was it recorded anywhere? I assume if those readings were known, we'd have them by now.

Well that's exactly the point, isn't it? And if they didn't take those readings then how the hell could they possibly say the Patriots cheated?

[edjr 6,898]

Report: Under-inflated balls were approved by refs prior to AFC Championship game

 

 

 

Referees approved the footballs used by the New England Patriots in the AFC Championship game, even though they were under the NFL’s allowable PSI prior to the game, CBS Boston reports.

According to CBS Boston, sources said referees approved 12 game footballs prior to the game, and the under inflated footballs were perhaps not inspected properly.

From CBS Boston reporter:

One thing that has been reported this last week, as we’ve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isn’t always the case. As a matter of fact, from what I’ve been told, many times the refs don’t test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. It’s never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the ref at a pressure just below the allowable PSI.

If it’s a situation where the refs DID use a gauge, the refs would see the balls were under inflated, and inflate them to the proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.

Thus, the under-inflated balls. The Patriots, according to my sources, played with league approved deflated balls.

 

 

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

you're really naive if you believe this.

 

You clowns would still be acting the same exact way

 

You honestly think that if the NFL didn't bring this up, conduct a full investigation, this "story" would be just as big? Like you honestly believe that?

 

It would be a passing thought and a side story. It would be the same as your Rusell Wilson concussion conspiracy or the L.Blount was tampering story. Just little side notes for the hardcore conspiracy theorists. The NFL conducting a full investigation gives it legitamacy, which is why its a mainstream story that everyone knows about and the media is focusing on.

 

Surely you understand this.

[vuduchile 1,947]

I posted an pretty good explanation from business insider. Look back, then get back to me.

I saw that one. Although it's one possible explanation, I don't know if it's obvious.

 

So basically, your contention is that the atmospheric conditions during the first half caused the balls to deflate. Got it

[drobeski 3,061]

Report: Under-inflated balls were approved by refs prior to AFC Championship game

 

 

 

bbbbbbb but but but they put a camera were it wasn't supposed to bbbbbb bbbbeeeeee tttthat ttttime then sniffle sniffle :cry:

[edjr 6,898]

 

You honestly think that if the NFL didn't bring this up, conduct a full investigation, this "story" would be just as big? Like you honestly believe that?

 

It would be a passing thought and a side story. It would be the same as your Rusell Wilson concussion conspiracy or the L.Blount was tampering story. Just little side notes.

 

THE NFL DIDN'T BRING IT UP!

 

A writer in INDY did.

 

This was a story 4 days before the NFL even commented

 

As soon as the writer brought this up, this story blew the fock up. The next morning he was on the radio here in Boston being interviewed.

[DankNuggs 305]

I saw that one. Although it's one possible explanation, I don't know if it's obvious.

 

So basically, your contention is that the atmospheric conditions during the first half caused the balls to deflate. Got it

Its entirely possible the balls were below minimum PSI but weren't gauged by the refs. If so, shame on the NFL. In either case this public crucifixion based on wild conspiratorial fantasies is absurd when there are so many simple explanations. Occams Razor be damned.

[vuduchile 1,947]

Well that's exactly the point, isn't it? And if they didn't take those readings then how the hell could they possibly say the Patriots cheated?

So, your contention is that the refs likely screwed up by either not doing their job initially, or by just sorta pencil whipping the process. Got it.

 

I dunno why the NFL hasn't given us the details on the initial readings yet. Perhaps there aren't any details. If that's the case, why not just tell us and put it all to rest?

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

THE NFL DIDN'T BRING IT UP!

 

A writer in INDY did.

 

This was a story 4 days before the NFL even commented

 

As soon as the writer brought this up, this story blew the fock up. The next morning he was on the radio here in Boston being interviewed.

 

Ummmm, yeah I think you're a bit off here Ed.

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FSports%2FwireStory%2Fpats-brush-off-talk-deflated-footballs-nfl-reviews-28355182&ei=lyjJVNOZD8TgapONgIgH&usg=AFQjCNHScct8mMej1wP69wQbsGrQJPjoDQ

 

 

The NFL says its investigation into whether the New England Patriots used underinflated footballs in the AFC championship game is ongoing after a report Tuesday night claimed the league found 11 balls were not properly inflated.

Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president for football operations, told The Associated Press that the "investigation is currently underway and we're still awaiting findings."

 

 

The above from ABC News is a story dated January 21st. Which meant it was news of stuff from the prior day which was Monday January 20th. You know the first working day after that weekends games.

 

The NFL started an investigation almost immediately. Monday the 20th at the latest if not sooner.

[DankNuggs 305]

So, your contention is that the refs likely screwed up by either not doing their job initially, or just sorta pencil whipping the process. Got it.

 

I dunno why the NFL hasn't given us the details on the initial readings yet. Perhaps there aren't any details. If that's the case, why not just tell us and put it all to rest?

they may be in a gray area where the patriots likely submitted underinflated balls that can't be explained by temperature differences, yet their refs failed to properly conduct their pregame inspection..

 

I presume submitting non conforming balls is a violation. What do you do then?

[vuduchile 1,947]

Report: Under-inflated balls were approved by refs prior to AFC Championship game

 

 

 

So, your contention is what exactly?

 

The balls were under at the beginning and the refs screwed up?

 

Or, the atmosphere caused all 24 balls to deflate by 1.0 psi during the first half, pushing the Pats balls under the limit?

[edjr 6,898]

 

Ummmm, yeah I think you're a bit off here Ed.

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FSports%2FwireStory%2Fpats-brush-off-talk-deflated-footballs-nfl-reviews-28355182&ei=lyjJVNOZD8TgapONgIgH&usg=AFQjCNHScct8mMej1wP69wQbsGrQJPjoDQ

 

 

The above from ABC News is a story dated January 21st. Which meant it was news of stuff from the prior day which was Monday January 20th. You know the first working day after that weekends games.

 

The NFL started an investigation almost immediately. Monday the 21st at the latest if not sooner.

 

 

January 21 was WEDNESDAY

 

 

Trust me. This story started from an writer in indy. The nfl hadn't said a word for days.

 

He came out and said the league was looking into it. The league didn't say it

 

 

http://media.weei.com/a/101041533/bob-kravitz-on-deflated-balls-1-19-15.htm

 

Monday, Jan 19 and 8:20 am

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=12202450&city=boston&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boston.com%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2Fpatriots%2Fextra_points%2F2015%2F01%2Freport_patriots_may_have_deflated_footballs_for_af.html%22%7D

 

You're such a focking hack. The NFL hasnt made any allegations? Seriously? Then what the fock have you and all the other morons been getting worked up over for more than a week now?

 

You are right about one thing though, which is that they've since backpedaled upon realizing that they can't prove the allegations.

 

Jesus christ man, have a little pride

 

You telling people to have pride...and what does Hack have to do with this?

Because I take the information provided to a certain point and voice my opinion that it appeared the Patriots had done something to the balls?

 

Your own focking link is proving there was no allegation..."We are not commenting at this time," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications.

We are not commenting...yeah...such an allegation.

 

And by your post...and by some of the other pats fans...it is quite obvious who is worked up about this. Slinging constant insults because people don't just buy the Pats story (and why should we based on the history with them skirting rules and being caught doing it).

Where have I been worked up about it?

There is an investigation...based on facts shown to a point...there appeared to be tampering with the balls by the Pats. Yeah...real worked up.

 

Have some pride? Maybe don't be so thin skinned and get so pissed off when people discuss the investigation that is ongoing. Maybe then you won't get so bent out of shape and make false accusations.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

So, your contention is that the refs likely screwed up by either not doing their job initially, or just sorta pencil whipping the process. Got it.

 

I dunno why the NFL hasn't given us the details on the initial readings yet. Perhaps there aren't any details. If that's the case, why not just tell us and put it all to rest?

Yeah that's pretty much my belief. If I'm wrong it should be easy to disprove - just produce the PSI measurements from before the game. I suppose it's possible the NFL has that information and is sitting on it until the entire witch hunt, er "investigation", has been concluded, but I kinda doubt it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

But Sho Nuff says the NFL never made any allegations

 

Someone having a bit of a meltdown again...its not my fault you made a claim you couldn't back up...

[Sho Nuff 720]

it took football for worms to finally recognize what a hack snuffles is

 

And all he did was prove that he made a false claim and that you two will basically just throw out the word hack to mean "disagrees with".

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Trust me. This story started from an writer in indy. The nfl hadn't said a word for days.

 

The NFL on January 20th stated there was an investigation underway. Just a couple days after the game.

 

After the game, the National Football League investigated the underinflation,^[10][11] and published its findings on January 20.

 

 

There are hundreds of stories. You posted a news story about how you think Russel Wilson was concussed in the game. And while it's a news story it went...........NOWHERE. Why? Because the NFL didn't create a full investigation in to it, nor did they come out and say somebody did something wrong. So guess what? The story died.

 

If the NFL didn't give this Deflategate story legitamcy it to would have just died. Just like all the other conspiracy theory stories.

 

Surely you understand this.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

they may be in a gray area where the patriots likely submitted underinflated balls that can't be explained by temperature differences, yet their refs failed to properly conduct their pregame inspection..

 

I presume submitting non conforming balls is a violation. What do you do then?

Thing is, that's not what the rule says. And I'd guess it is hardly an uncommon occurrence based off what we've heard about Aaron Rodgers - whom nobody would call a cheater, btw.

[Sho Nuff 720]

No, what we've seen is the worst of the human condition and the press. Either haters with preconceived notions to salve the pain of supporting losing franchises, or the media which reports no facts, but has turned into tabloids based of innuendo and fantasy in the quest for ratings. Its pretty disgusting and emblematic of the new america where people are lazy and just looking for something to blame their troubles on.

 

Im a Packers fan who doesn't hate the Patriots.

Losing franchise? Swing and a miss.

Hate? Swing and a miss.

 

What we have are people who will believe anything their teams says because that is who they are a fan of...they are the ones clinging to preconceived notions to try and defend their team no matter what.

[edjr 6,898]

 

 

 

There are hundreds of stories. You posted a news story about how you think Russel Wilson was concussed in the game. And while it's a news story it went...........NOWHERE. Why? Because the NFL didn't create a full investigation in to it, nor did they come out and say somebody did something wrong.

 

Yeah, that's why.

 

why is no one talking about Josh Gordon?

 

I guess the NFL didn't investigate

[DankNuggs 305]

Yeah that's pretty much my belief. If I'm wrong it should be easy to disprove - just produce the PSI measurements from before the game. I suppose it's possible the NFL has that information and is sitting on it until the entire witch hunt, er "investigation", has been concluded, but I kinda doubt it.

They would have leaked it.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Yeah, that's why.

 

why is no one talking about Josh Gordon?

 

I guess the NFL didn't investigate

 

[vuduchile 1,947]

they may be in a gray area where the patriots likely submitted underinflated balls that can't be explained by temperature differences, yet their refs failed to properly conduct their pregame inspection..

 

I presume submitting non conforming balls is a violation. What do you do then?

I can understand the NFL wanting to be cautious, but refs make bad calls or fail to make calls every weekend. It seems like if the refs were at fault here, they would've already come out and said it.

 

I'm not sure submitting under inflated balls is a violation. The refs are responsible for the inspection process, so they can inflate or deflate as needed so that they all conform.

[DankNuggs 305]

 

Im a Packers fan who doesn't hate the Patriots.

Losing franchise? Swing and a miss.

Hate? Swing and a miss.

 

What we have are people who will believe anything their teams says because that is who they are a fan of...they are the ones clinging to preconceived notions to try and defend their team no matter what.

Did you watch the NFC championship game? I've never seen such a personification of 'losing' as that game. I'd be more pissed at kicking FG's twice on 4&G from the 1 than any of this....

 

 

I want to see facts... If it is proven that a ballboy is incredibly adept at deflating balls under towels on the sidelines without being noticed, so be it. Show some facts.

 

Otherwise, any game played on the frozen tundra of lambeau field in 0 degree weather had balls underinflated per NFL spec. It is physically impossible for a ball at 13.5psi (max limit) going from 70 degree indoor temp to 0F game temp to stay within spec.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Did you watch the NFC championship game? I've never seen such a personification of 'losing' as that game. I'd be more pissed at kicking FG's twice on 4&G from the 1 than any of this....

 

 

I want to see facts... If it is proven that a ballboy is incredibly adept at deflating balls under towels on the sidelines without being noticed, so be it. Show some facts.

 

Otherwise, any game played on the frozen tundra of lambeau field in 0 degree weather had balls underinflated per NFL spec. It is physically impossible for a ball at 13.5psi (max limit) going from 70 degree indoor temp to 0F game temp to stay within spec.

 

Did they lose that game?

Sure.

Calling a franchise with 13 titles a losing franchise because they lost in the NFC Title game in the 2014 season is maybe the dumbest thing said in this thread (which is saying a lot).

 

Interesting that other teams have not been busted with balls out of spec though when playing in cold conditions...did they just not check...or are you, like all pats fans...looking for a way, any way possible for it not to be the fault of the Patriots?

 

My guess...based on the facts...is the latter.

[TD Ryan2 316]

What we have are people who will believe anything that will make them feel better about losing to the Patriots.

[edjr 6,898]

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