Gay marriage is coming

[GobbleDog 1,001]

No doubt due to financial burdens and the fact that people get married significantly later in life than they used to.

 

Sounds like a Freaknomics fact. Makes sense.

[OldMaid 2,133]

That's the main argument for allowing gay couples to adopt. "It may, or may not be detrimental to the kid, but it beats the alternative - unqualified parents or state child care."

 

If gays were only allowed to adopt unwanted kids (mental and health problems), I'd support that theory. But equal footing with heteros for healthy young babies? Even if it turns out after a 100+ years of study on the various generations that follow there's no mental problems (which hasn't happened yet), isn't there still something to be said for putting kids in an environment that many (possibly most) will undoubtedly be ashamed/embarrassed about throughout childhood and beyond? I'm not on board.

 

Why would they be ashamed or embarrassed to have a gay couple as their parents? As already discussed, that way of thinking is going extinct. If that's what they're raised in, it would be perfectly normal. It's also a good lesson for a child to learn how not to be prejudiced or bigoted.

[jerryskids 6,926]

 

That's the main argument for allowing gay couples to adopt. "It may, or may not be detrimental to the kid, but it beats the alternative - unqualified parents or state child care."

If gays were only allowed to adopt unwanted kids (mental and health problems), I'd support that theory. But equal footing with heteros for healthy young babies? Even if it turns out after a 100+ years of study on the various generations that follow there's no mental problems (which hasn't happened yet), isn't there still something to be said for putting kids in an environment that many (possibly most) will undoubtedly be ashamed/embarrassed about throughout childhood and beyond? I'm not on board.

 

The link I posted stated that there were 17000 kids in the AZ system who needed homes. So clearly there are more kids than qualified adoptive parents. Are you saying that they are better off in orphanages than in homes with ghey parents?

[naomi 356]

If someone in your family was gravely ill and the best Doctor was gay you wouldn't care. If the plane was going down and the only person that could fly it was gay you wouldn't care. If you needed a transplant to live and the donor was gay you wouldn't care. If your house was on fire and the fireman were gay you wouldn't care. There were gay men who strormed the beaches of Normandy and fought at Iwo Jima. There were gay men who fought in the revolutionary war and every war since. Why can't they be happy?

 

I don't think many people would care if that person in all those scenarios was a polygamist or polyandrist either. How many of those people who wouldn't care would be uncomfortable with what it says about the moral fabric of the nation if the nation legalized poly-marriage?

 

On a deeper note, I think more bible believing Christians are concerned about inviting judgement, as a nation. They know America has never been a Christian county in that you 'should be' a Christian if you're an American, and the Christians who settled in the new world were not theocracy minded. The idea of a state-church was anathema to them, not just simply the one they came out from under the oppression of. What's unique about this country as far as the experience of Christians historically is the moors and the freedom. It's seemingly been a blessed nation in a Christian sense. They are weary of what hastens our fall as a nation. You wouldn't have found them staking themselves on the side of "no interracial marriage." The 'natural' point is literal. Members of different races can procreate with each other.

 

It's not like there's this desire "Oh, I don't want to see these people happy because they do a practice I don't like" it's more of an "oh ######, buckle up' matter.

 

Fortunately a strong facet of this nation has been liberty for all, especially in the political process. The same people (at least that I understand and respect in this vein) with this foreboding value that at the end of the day.

[GobbleDog 1,001]

Why would they be ashamed or embarrassed to have a gay couple as their parents? As already discussed, that way of thinking is going extinct. If that's what they're raised in, it would be perfectly normal.

 

When all of their friends and 90% of society doesn't have gay parents, it won't be "perfectly normal." Answer honestly - Would you want to be raised by a gay couple? How many people would answer yes to that? Less than 20% I'd guess.

[OldMaid 2,133]

When all of their friends and 90% of society doesn't have gay parents, it won't be "perfectly normal." Answer honestly - Would you want to be raised by a gay couple? How many people would answer yes to that? Less than 20% I'd guess.

It would't bother me one bit. But then again.. I was raised by a crazy lady. Sure it had it's struggles, but I'm glad it taught me perseverance and tolerance. And I'm a better person for it. You can't raise kids in a bubble. Hardships can be a good thing, in life.

[GobbleDog 1,001]

 

The link I posted stated that there were 17000 kids in the AZ system who needed homes. So clearly there are more kids than qualified adoptive parents. Are you saying that they are better off in orphanages than in homes with ghey parents?

 

No. There are more kids that aren't wanted by qualified parents. In the adoption world, demand is booming for healthy (white) babies. 8-16 y.o. kids with health/mental/anger issues from broken homes of various backgrounds... not so much. You think the gay couples will adopt those kids any more than current hetero couples?

[GobbleDog 1,001]

You can't raise kids in a bubble. Hardships can be a good thing, in life.

 

That could mean anything. Based on that logic, let's allow crack-heads to adopt. After all, "hardships can be a good thing in life." Notice I didn't quote your unnecessary comma.

[OldMaid 2,133]

That could mean anything. Based on that logic, let's allow crack-heads to adopt. After all, "hardships can be a good thing in life." Notice I didn't quote your unnecessary comma.

Well, you don't seem to be interested in having an adult conversation, huh? Gays are hardly crack heads, now are they?

[GobbleDog 1,001]

Well, you don't seem to be interested in having an adult conversation, huh? Gays are hardly crack heads, now are they?

 

Point was you can't use "having hardships" as a benefit. Yeah, it might work out well for some, but you wouldn't intentionally create a situation where it probably won't for others.

[OldMaid 2,133]

Point was you can't use "having hardships" as a benefit. Yeah, it might work out well for some, but you wouldn't intentionally create a situation where it probably won't for others.

Most great people have had hardships in their lives. It builds character. Nobody goes through life with everything perfect. And I wouldn't exactly consider gay parents to be high on the hardship level, at that.

 

So what if Timmy has two dads? Or Sally has a black mother and white father? The only people who it bothers are people like you. Everybody has differences. We should celebrate them.

 

I seriously don't get your way of thinking.

[OldMaid 2,133]

No. There are more kids that aren't wanted by qualified parents. In the adoption world, demand is booming for healthy (white) babies. 8-16 y.o. kids with health/mental/anger issues from broken homes of various backgrounds... not so much. You think the gay couples will adopt those kids any more than current hetero couples?

http://www.livescience.com/28079-why-gay-parents-are-awesome.html

 

 

You might want to read #2.

[GobbleDog 1,001]

http://www.livescience.com/28079-why-gay-parents-are-awesome.html

 

 

You might want to read #2.

 

 

Gay parents are a huge resource for kids awaiting adoption, particularly the neediest cases. In October 2011, the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute found that 60 percent of gay and lesbian adoptive parents adopt across races, which is important because minority kids have a tougher time getting out of the foster system. And 25 percent of kids placed with adoptive gay parents were older than 3 — also a tough age range to adopt. More than half of the kids had special needs.

 

Apparently, gay couples are more willing to adopt unwanted babies (possibly because of unwritten rules at the adoption agency of giving a gay couple any other kid). I'll give ya that and that's great. But gay parents can't be relegated to only adopting the "neediest cases". It's all or nothing.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Good luck as a kid with 2 dads. Once the neighborhood and school kids get wind of it you will be bullied or teased mercilessly. Being gay or having gay parents or a gay son is one of those things...your perfectly fine with others having it but wouldn't want it for yourself. Even people who say they do t feel this way actually do but do t want to admit it and feel like a bigot.

[kilroy69 1,252]

Good luck as a kid with 2 dads. Once the neighborhood and school kids get wind of it you will be bullied or teased mercilessly. Being gay or having gay parents or a gay son is one of those things...your perfectly fine with others having it but wouldn't want it for yourself. Even people who say they do t feel this way actually do but do t want to admit it and feel like a bigot.

I 100% disagree with this statement. You are speaking for yourself on this. It has nothing to do with any type of social backlash. It's because I accept people for who they are. I don't give a Fock who you Fock.

[tanatastic 2,062]

I 100% disagree with this statement. You are speaking for yourself on this. It has nothing to do with any type of social backlash. It's because I accept people for who they are. I don't give a Fock who you Fock.

That's kind of the point, it had nothing to do with other people. I don't care who other people Fock so I have no bias towards gay culture or people. But no straight person wants gay parents or a gay son or to be gay themselves. It's just not something someone would choose.

[OldMaid 2,133]

Some of you guys sure are some closed minded people. I feel sorry for you. I really do...

 

The sex of your parents <<<<<<< how competent your parents are.

 

And kids get teased/bullied for any number of reasons. Being poor, being short, being skinny, being fat, not having the right shoes, talking funny, not being good at sports, being dumb, being smart... It'd be shorter to list the things kids don't get picked on for.

 

I think some of you are using it as an excuse to live with your own misguided prejudices.

[NewbieJr 541]

If I'm an orphan, give me gay parents over being moved from orphanage to temporary home to orphanage. Anyone thinking otherwise is crazy.

[Frank M 181]

That's kind of the point, it had nothing to do with other people. I don't care who other people Fock so I have no bias towards gay culture or people. But no straight person wants gay parents or a gay son or to be gay themselves. It's just not something someone would choose.

 

The only thing I want where my kids are concerned is that they are happy, healthy, and that they end up better than me.

 

As far as concerns about homosexuality, the only one that I would have is that they would have to deal with people like you who believe that the way that they think is the way that everybody thinks.

[NewbieJr 541]

The only thing I want where my kids are concerned is that they are happy, healthy, and that they end up better than me.

I like their chances

[NewbieJr 541]

j/k Frankie

[IGotWorms 4,060]

So what if Timmy has two dads?

Timmy Smiff would probably kill himself

[Frank M 181]

I like their chances

 

I know. Low bar and all.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

Some of you guys sure are some closed minded people. I feel sorry for you. I really do...

 

The sex of your parents <<<<<<< how competent your parents are.

 

And kids get teased/bullied for any number of reasons. Being poor, being short, being skinny, being fat, not having the right shoes, talking funny, not being good at sports, being dumb, being smart... It'd be shorter to list the things kids don't get picked on for.

 

I think some of you are using it as an excuse to live with your own misguided prejudices.

 

 

I'd like to tease you sometime baby.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

j/k

[NorthernVike 2,087]

If I'm an orphan, give me gay parents over being moved from orphanage to temporary home to orphanage. Anyone thinking otherwise is crazy.

 

 

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

That could mean anything. Based on that logic, let's allow crack-heads to adopt. After all, "hardships can be a good thing in life." Notice I didn't quote your unnecessary comma.

 

 

 

What a douche

[parrot 789]

 

That's the main argument for allowing gay couples to adopt. "It may, or may not be detrimental to the kid, but it beats the alternative - unqualified parents or state child care."

If gays were only allowed to adopt unwanted kids (mental and health problems), I'd support that theory. But equal footing with heteros for healthy young babies? Even if it turns out after a 100+ years of study on the various generations that follow there's no mental problems (which hasn't happened yet), isn't there still something to be said for putting kids in an environment that many (possibly most) will undoubtedly be ashamed/embarrassed about throughout childhood and beyond? I'm not on board.

 

Instead of saying gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt because other people are d!cks about it, maybe we should say other people shouldn't be such d!cks about it.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Count me in the group that thinks a ghey couple adopting is better than being an orphan. The better question is when multiple couples are adopting, is there a tiered system of what is "prefered" ?

 

Let's say you have two couples who want to adopt the same baby. Both couples check out on criminal backgrounds. Both couples are around the same age, income status, both couples seem like loving folks. I do not it in any way bigoted to have the tiebreaker go to the husband and wife. Having two sexes raise a child should (in theory) bring a more well rounded and yes, natural rearing.

[Eaglesin14 12]

Get ready Geeks, the Supreme Court is going to hold that the Constitution requires that gays can marry.

 

Will be a 6-3 decision. Kennedy and the libs, with Roberts concurring.

Congrats!

 

Set a date yet?

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Toldja

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Toldja

Kudos

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I'm a little surprised Roberts was willing to be on the wrong side of history with this one. Guess that's why he released the Obummercare decision first

[Voltaire 5,363]

Toldja

Sort of, you told us it'd be 6-3. That it was coming at all was no surprise.

 

As for Roberts, he opposed it for the same reason I did: he's not opposed to gay marriage, he felt this is a matter not addressed in the Constitution and that should be decided by the states and that without Constitutional footing, it was too big a leap for SCOTUS to overturn both state law and 8000 years of historical cross-cultural precedent.

[SUXBNME 1,563]

Toldja

Credit where credit is due. You pretty much nailed it for once

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you fhag