White People

[penultimatestraw 473]

I feel overcoming class is more difficult than overcoming race/ethnicity currently.

This may be true, but doesn't answer my question.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,716]

You may end up with less pure racists, but you will have more people who are resentful of being labeled racist or "priveleged"

PC world?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Depends how it is defined, but I bet the vast majority of us make decisions based on race at some point in our lives. Some of those decisions may be justified, but others are based on bigoted assumptions based purely on stereotypes.

I make assumptions all the time. White guy all tatted up and doesn't speak well? I think less of him. Same goes for a black guy. Black guy dressed for business and well spoken? I assume he's well educated and to be taken Seriousley. Same goes for a white guy. Until they prove me wrong.

[Voltaire 5,534]

Great post Titans and Naomi!

 

 

 

That is a lie! You do not get extra SAT points for being a minority, an outright lie!

(Or I'm dumb as hell, lol!)

 

Europeans invented, cured, discovered, explored and explained EVERYTHING worthwhile??

How are you living in China and let those words even enter your brain?

Yes, Europe since the 1500's has provided the world with a great many things, but prior to that...??? Hmm, not so much happening in comparison to other countries.

 

Plenty of other groups have explored and settled...hence the world population not all located within the African continent!!!

How stupid to say whites discovered lands that had people living on them!

The people living there got there before the Europeans!! They discovered it first! Duh!!

 

Some white people did bad things a long time ago? How long is a long time ago?? Cause I'd say apartheid, Jim Crow, the Holocaust, WWII, WWI, The Trans-Atlantic Slave trade...what happened to all of the natives that lived in the Americas and in the Caribbean? Who killed them??

 

I'll explain the OJ verdict after you explain the Rodney King verdict and follow it up by the Zimmerman verdict.

 

As long as you want to shut down the conversation by claiming that blacks are whiny complainers then there is no chance for you to learn, understand or even see the impediments that continue to plague many African Americans.

 

...and that doesn't mean that all the fault lies on the shoulders of white America from now until perpetuity. That does not mean there shouldn't be harsh and severe criticism laid on the steps of black American culture. Both conversations need to happen.

 

The bottom line is that whether or not you like blacks, respect blacks or wish they'd all go away, we're here and it would help matters if we could learn to see each other in an honest light. The news media and entertainment has greatly skewed who we all are, imo.

I was kind of joking. Really.It wasn't supposed to be picked apart.

 

regarding AA resulting in 230 bonus points on the SAT, taht was real, skip down to conclusions, http://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/Admission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004%20full.pdf

 

But I do admit I was exaggerating about "everything."

 

Also I know it took a while for Northern Europe or the south after Rome collapsed to get with the modernity program, thus my timing. They were lucky to be able to resist the Muslims; the Turks were strong enough as late as 1683 to lay siege to Vienna. Learning that their ancestors painted themselves blue and ran or snowboarded naked at the invading Roman Legions isn't something that people with ancestors in the British islands like to dwell on too much but it is what it is and they take it in stride and move on.

 

But I do know "the impediments that continue to plague many African Americans" has been in rapid, serious decline pretty much our (you're a few years older than me, I was born in 1971) entire lives and is pretty much gone. We never saw but the vestigial end of it. And good riddance. But we did see some. I recognize 2015 as much more pluralistic than my youth, nowadays the door is completely wide open for anybody of any color. Whatever real racism exists, I'm more than happy to denounce.

 

Really I think it's time to move on.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

This may be true, but doesn't answer my question.

Yes, race ethnicity can be a hurdle. But I think class is a bigger hurdle. People born upper class have so many advantages over someone not. I think, as far as getting a good job, the poor white guy and the poor black guy are in the same boat. Neither have connections that an upper class guy does, and that's half the battle. Then couple that with the fact that the lower class or middle class guy/girl probably has a ton of debt to contend with.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I make assumptions all the time. White guy all tatted up and doesn't speak well? I think less of him. Same goes for a black guy. Black guy dressed for business and well spoken? I assume he's well educated and to be taken Seriousley. Same goes for a white guy. Until they prove me wrong.

Yep, we all do. That doesn't make those decisions correct, or unbigoted on occasion.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Yes, race ethnicity can be a hurdle. But I think class is a bigger hurdle. People born upper class have so many advantages over someone not. I think, as far as getting a good job, the poor white guy and the poor black guy are in the same boat. Neither have connections that an upper class guy does, and that's half the battle. Then couple that with the fact that the lower class or middle class guy/girl probably has a ton of debt to contend with.

I agree with most of this, though the poor black guy probably has a few more barriers than the white dude. These can be overcome, of course.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Yep, we all do. That doesn't make those decisions correct, or unbigoted on occasion.

I think I'm basing those assumptions on many past experiences, and my assumptions tend to be right, way more often than not. Why should I stop doing something that works? It doesn't mean I can't have my mind changed either way. But as a jump off? Yes, I will continue and not feel bad about it. Speak and dress properly if you want to be taken serious.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I think I'm basing those assumptions on many past experiences, and my assumptions tend to be right, way more often than not. Why should I stop doing something that works? It doesn't mean I can't have my mind changed either way. But as a jump off? Yes, I will continue and not feel bad about it. Speak and dress properly if you want to be taken serious.

What is the harm in keeping your mind open?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I agree with most of this, though the poor black guy probably has a few more barriers than the white dude. These can be overcome, of course.

I think nepotism is a bigger barrier than race. Not just direct father/son type, but just knowing a few people to point you in the right direction and maybe put in a good word for you are tremendous advantages that a poor/middle class kid probably won't have.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

What is the harm in keeping your mind open?

Like I said, my mind can be changed, but that's on the person after my first impression if its a bad one due to dress/speech.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I feel overcoming class is more difficult than overcoming race/ethnicity currently.

Bingo.

 

Voly's post had hints of truth. The reason he wants to turn in his "white privledge card" as it didn't work as he grew up poor in Detriot, near 8 Mile. Similarly in the south I see poor white people all the time. There ain't no privledge third folks.

 

Back to my sons first grade class. When people see a well dressed black boy versus the hole in tee shirt, still with bed head and 4th generation passed down Walmart sneakers on white boy people stereotype the white kid as dumb, not the black boy.

 

Take my white card away, I'll trade it for the class card please.

[KSB2424 3,174]

I feel overcoming class is more difficult than overcoming race/ethnicity currently.

Bingo.

 

Volty's post had hints of truth. The reason he wants to turn in his "white privledge card" as it didn't work as he grew up poor in Detriot, near 8 Mile. Similarly in the south I see poor white people all the time. There ain't no privledge there folks.

 

Back to my sons first grade class. When people see a well dressed black boy versus the hole in tee shirt, still with bed head and 4th generation passed down Walmart sneakers on white boy people stereotype the white kid as dumb, not the black boy.

 

Take my white card away, I'll trade it for the class card please.

 

Take a look at the people that notoriously play the race card at every chance that are Caucasian. More or likely they are well to do whites from middle to upper class upbringings or the rich elitist Hollywood type.

[Voltaire 5,534]

Bingo.

 

Volty's post had hints of truth. The reason he wants to turn in his "white privledge card" as it didn't work as he grew up poor in Detriot, near 8 Mile. Similarly in the south I see poor white people all the time. There ain't no privledge there folks.

 

Back to my sons first grade class. When people see a well dressed black boy versus the hole in tee shirt, still with bed head and 4th generation passed down Walmart sneakers on white boy people stereotype the white kid as dumb, not the black boy.

 

Take my white card away, I'll trade it for the class card please.

 

Take a look at the people that notoriously play the race card at every chance that are Caucasian. More or likely they are well to do whites from middle to upper class upbringings or the rich elitist Hollywood type.

 

Exactly. White privilege is an absurd concept. It's obvious to anyone whose spent their life as poor white trash that it doesn't exist. Gullible upper class white liberals have convinced themselves it does though because they're blinded by their class privilege.

 

 

[RLLD 4,283]

Wow what a d1ckbag little loser you are. I would ask what I supposedly lied about or what racist things I've said but you can't handle having your assumptions challenged without going full retard.

 

And when called out you resort to the go to, name calling, predictable. I have called you out on each lie and each racist statement, will continue to illuminate your hate filled posts where ever they arise, people need to be aware that people such as you DO exist and should not be tolerated.

[RLLD 4,283]

Bingo.

 

Volty's post had hints of truth. The reason he wants to turn in his "white privledge card" as it didn't work as he grew up poor in Detriot, near 8 Mile. Similarly in the south I see poor white people all the time. There ain't no privledge there folks.

 

Back to my sons first grade class. When people see a well dressed black boy versus the hole in tee shirt, still with bed head and 4th generation passed down Walmart sneakers on white boy people stereotype the white kid as dumb, not the black boy.

 

Take my white card away, I'll trade it for the class card please.

 

Take a look at the people that notoriously play the race card at every chance that are Caucasian. More or likely they are well to do whites from middle to upper class upbringings or the rich elitist Hollywood type.

 

Being poor sucks, I know this. Luckily my family, with all their failings, always taught me to suck it up and keep working, never suggested that we blame others or complain. For those pieces I will always be grateful. Its something I am passing along to my kids, and in the end they will persevere and march right past the crybabies and the whiners of this world who only seek to blame others.

[MDC 8,136]

 

And when called out you resort to the go to, name calling, predictable. I have called you out on each lie and each racist statement, will continue to illuminate your hate filled posts where ever they arise, people need to be aware that people such as you DO exist and should not be tolerated.

That's rich coming from the guy who goes full retard calling me racist from post #1. I take it from your reply that you cannot identify any so-called lies or racism in any of my posts and are lying again.

 

Oh also: Tilt. Looks like I've really managed to get your goat. You're a circus clown here and everywhere else.

[RLLD 4,283]

I think nepotism is a bigger barrier than race. Not just direct father/son type, but just knowing a few people to point you in the right direction and maybe put in a good word for you are tremendous advantages that a poor/middle class kid probably won't have.

 

In the end it is ALL about effort. You put in effort and it comes back to you. But you have to be willing to suffer and strive to get to where you want to be, not everyone has that in their personality.

 

I tell me employees, if you are all equally educated, experienced, and capable what separates you from each other during raise time, or merit bonus? Effort. You can outwork a more talented person, and rewards come to you. So keep pushing, always striving for better, and you will get it.

[parrot 790]

I tell me employees,

 

Do you run a Popeye's?

[RLLD 4,283]

That's rich coming from the guy who goes full retard calling me racist from post #1. I take it from your reply that you cannot identify any so-called lies or racism in any of my posts and are lying again.

 

Oh also: Tilt. Looks like I've really managed to get your goat. You're a circus clown here and everywhere else.

 

Absolutely, reiterating what is demonstrated is not outside of reason, and as stated I intend to make sure everyone remembers and sees you for what you are. The name calling aside I think you are probably just a victim of media propaganda and educational neglect, but you still have instances that appear to suggest that you do know better, yet you continue racist statements.

 

As stated, called you out in every instance and as time permits I will go back and catalog them, ready to present every time you post a new one, so all can see your disgusting racist viewpoints. As well as your attempts to lie in order to avoid being held accountable for them, not a problem.

 

You have my attention, which is to say I am now aware of the content of your character, which is sick and racist, and I will take opportunity and time to make sure all know about it.

[RLLD 4,283]

 

Do you run a Popeye's?

 

Infrastructure and data centers for software development.

[MDC 8,136]

 

Absolutely, reiterating what is demonstrated is not outside of reason, and as stated I intend to make sure everyone remembers and sees you for what you are. The name calling aside I think you are probably just a victim of media propaganda and educational neglect, but you still have instances that appear to suggest that you do know better, yet you continue racist statements.

 

As stated, called you out in every instance and as time permits I will go back and catalog them, ready to present every time you post a new one, so all can see your disgusting racist viewpoints. As well as your attempts to lie in order to avoid being held accountable for them, not a problem.

 

You have my attention, which is to say I am now aware of the content of your character, which is sick and racist, and I will take opportunity and time to make sure all know about it.

So what I'm getting here I s that you do not actually have anything to support your claim that I'm a racist or liar, but I've managed to piss you off so much that you've gone utterly full retard.

 

Got that right?

[RLLD 4,283]

So what I'm getting here I s that you do not actually have anything to support your claim that I'm a racist or liar, but I've managed to piss you off so much that you've gone utterly full retard.

 

Got that right?

 

No, but that is a nice try, as stated I will go back and put in the effort to show how your racism is on display, but no I do not keep them all at my finger tips. Illuminating racists such as you is worth the effort and time, and I do intend to do it, will give it its own thread too.

 

Now. knowing you are a coward, liar and a racist I suspect you might try to race back and delete them.... I best get started now I think before your cowardice goes down that road.

[MDC 8,136]

 

No, but that is a nice try, as stated I will go back and put in the effort to show how your racism is on display, but no I do not keep them all at my finger tips. Illuminating racists such as you is worth the effort and time, and I do intend to do it, will give it its own thread too.

 

Now. knowing you are a coward, liar and a racist I suspect you might try to race back and delete them.... I best get started now I think before your cowardice goes down that road.

Since I've said nothing racist here I have nothing to delete. I'm confident that you are coming off like a total focking loon to any sane person here.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Exactly. White privilege is an absurd concept. It's obvious to anyone whose spent their life as poor white trash that it doesn't exist. Gullible upper class white liberals have convinced themselves it does though because they're blinded by their class privilege.

 

White privilege doesn't mean the the least advantaged Caucasian has life easy, but on average, for those with the same social/economic circumstances, the white male faces less barriers than the typical minority.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

No, but that is a nice try, as stated I will go back and put in the effort to show how your racism is on display, but no I do not keep them all at my finger tips. Illuminating racists such as you is worth the effort and time, and I do intend to do it, will give it its own thread too.

 

Now. knowing you are a coward, liar and a racist I suspect you might try to race back and delete them.... I best get started now I think before your cowardice goes down that road.

Let me thank you in advance for shedding light on his horrible behavior.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I don't recall much of what MDC would have done or said that is racist...but know a few of RLLD's posts could come off that way.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Yes, race ethnicity can be a hurdle. But I think class is a bigger hurdle. People born upper class have so many advantages over someone not. I think, as far as getting a good job, the poor white guy and the poor black guy are in the same boat. Neither have connections that an upper class guy does, and that's half the battle. Then couple that with the fact that the lower class or middle class guy/girl probably has a ton of debt to contend with.

Class matters a lot but I think a poor black or Hispanic man is often perceived differently than a poor white man. Just take a look at the views espoused all the time on this bored, including your own. Often society is more willing to accept that a poor white man is just a hard worker who hasn't been given a chance, whereas the poor black guy is a thug or gangster and probably has five kids by four different women.

[parrot 790]

White privilege doesn't mean the the least advantaged Caucasian has life easy, but on average, for those with the same social/economic circumstances, the white male faces less barriers than the typical minority.

 

It's playing the game on the lowest difficulty setting.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

It's playing the game on the lowest difficulty setting.

Good analogy. The game can be won no matter the difficulty, of course.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I don't recall much of what MDC would have done or said that is racist...but know a few of RLLD's posts could come off that way.

Just a few?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Class matters a lot but I think a poor black or Hispanic man is often perceived differently than a poor white man. Just take a look at the views espoused all the time on this bored, including your own. Often society is more willing to accept that a poor white man is just a hard worker who hasn't been given a chance, whereas the poor black guy is a thug or gangster and probably has five kids by four different women.

I think that thought has changed throughout the years. We have all been exposed to enough black people who do not fit the stereotype to know that not all of them are as you described.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Good analogy. The game can be won no matter the difficulty, of course.

Yeah that is actually a great analogy.

 

You've got people like RLLD saying "black people can still get ahead if they weren't all lazy." Well sure any individual person might be able to get ahead, I.e. "win the game", but it's a whole helluva lot harder when people assume you are lazy or a gangster or ignorant or whatever, because of your race.

[parrot 790]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg48ZZ2wYfM

[RLLD 4,283]

Yeah that is actually a great analogy.

 

You've got people like RLLD saying "black people can still get ahead if they weren't all lazy." Well sure any individual person might be able to get ahead, I.e. "win the game", but it's a whole helluva lot harder when people assume you are lazy or a gangster or ignorant or whatever, because of your race.

 

You used quotes in your post, so you are able to source that quote? Please do. Effort and striving is not unique to any group of people, it is an individual thing, some already have it and some can develop it. You appear to be focusing on race, and that is a mistake, suggesting that "black people" are "lazy" is pretty sad and sick on your part, you need to get rid of that nonsense.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

You used quotes in your post, so you are able to source that quote? Please do. Effort and striving is not unique to any group of people, it is an individual thing, some already have it and some can develop it. You appear to be focusing on race, and that is a mistake, suggesting that "black people" are "lazy" is pretty sad and sick on your part, you need to get rid of that nonsense.

I'm relying on your entire posting history in any sort of thread touching on race, and in other threads that had nothing to do with race but you had to jump in to take a self-righteous swipe at black folk. HTH

[RLLD 4,283]

White privilege doesn't mean the the least advantaged Caucasian has life easy, but on average, for those with the same social/economic circumstances, the white male faces less barriers than the typical minority.

 

I have seen the opposite as a rule, I think this is a perception that gets traction but what I have seen is that most business owners want to make money, and they want to employ good people who can assure them success in this pursuit. I see people of all ethnicity being hired and not hired based on factors associated with business need. The notion that employers avoid people based on their race is a old one that seems to stick around, but really has no current basis.

[KSB2424 3,174]

White privilege doesn't mean the the least advantaged Caucasian has life easy, but on average, for those with the same social/economic circumstances, the white male faces less barriers than the typical minority.

 

Let's examine these barriers......remember we are talking race only, not class.

 

Are they barriers from schools? No in fact in 2015 minorities have more chances to succeed.

 

Are they barriers from employment? No, in fact in 2015 Diversity laws and Affirmitave Action give minorities equal footing if not more.

 

Most of the barriers that exist that are NOT class, the true race barriers exist outside of work, school, society. In America, in 2015 and beyond, the "institutional racism" is all but gone. The barriers that exist are at home and within the "culture".

 

Asians, Indians, are a minority in this country. Their skin is not white. But guess what? Rarely do we see any negative associations with them. Why? They have solid family structures on average and education is big deal in those cultures on average. Thus alot of negative sterotypes that other minorities face don't exist.

 

More than 72% of African American babies are born out of Wedlock. The least percentage born out of wedlock? Asians - 17%

 

I don't think that is a coincidence. The barriers that exist, today, in 2015 for African Americans is less from "Whitey". It's more from home.

[Voltaire 5,534]

 

It's playing the game on the lowest difficulty setting.

Oh, bullsh*t.

 

If you're the right color you get your hand held everywhere. You get hidden bonuses to college admissions, get race based scholarships. government contractor benefits, employers clamor to hire you and it's really hard to get fired. You get a massive, crying victim support system already in place. These are real, tangible, easy to observe and verify benefits unlike imaginary or ephemeral benefits whites get. Things like the cops will not harass you for no good reason. I've gotten mystery pulled over tickets that I didn't deserve. It's not just blacks.Nobody gives a sh*t about poor white people.

 

 

[RLLD 4,283]

I'm relying on your entire posting history in any sort of thread touching on race, and in other threads that had nothing to do with race but you had to jump in to take a self-righteous swipe at black folk. HTH

 

I do not follow, I assure you that I can bring up many posts that clearly refute such an assertion. Further, while I post consistently based on actions and situations I do not that MDC and even yourself tend to focus on race over actions as a mitigating factor. Sometimes I see areas where we agree, but where race is a component and I stand consistent you will tend to drift into racist sentiment.