White People

[mighty_thor 115]

those young white kids being interviewed grew up in a USA where they were not as privileged as I was growing up in the 70's. The only thing they should feel guilty about is having good parents. We are pretty much at the point now where every child born in this country has a chance to be successful. The major factor holding them back is parenting not race. I know some immigrants who came to the U.S. with nothing who now have kids graduating with honors from some of the top universities in this country.

[penultimatestraw 473]

No it doesn't. You'd commented that you didn't know how it was in other other fields and this is a long way of saying ' I don't know'.

 

Maybe it also speaks to my lack of 'white privledge' I was totally clueless of how the college admissions process works when it was my time to apply so it's entirely possible I'm channelling residual bitterness. Between talking about this and AA it's putting me in a really foul mood. I have a rather large chip on my shoulder.

 

I'm in a better situation though to advise my kids. I'd really like to think by the time they apply they won't have to worry about getting discriminated against. The internet helps too.

I don't know what to tell you. At least you are introspective enough to realize you may be bitter as a result of your own mistakes, not something being taken away from you by an undeserving minority. If you get a chance, take a look at the link I provided.

[Voltaire 5,534]

I don't know what to tell you. At least you are introspective enough to realize you may be bitter as a result of your own mistakes, not something being taken away from you by an undeserving minority. If you get a chance, take a look at the link I provided.

Well there's that, but it's also much bigger than just about me. It's about right and wrong. Just and unjust. Fair and unfair. Every year kids are being screwed over, it doesn't have to be personal to be completely offensive and ethically repugnant. But I also have kids. if it's not removed in the next ten years, then it will be very personal.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Well there's that, but it's also much bigger than just about me. It's about right and wrong. Just and unjust. Fair and unfair. Every year kids are being screwed over, it doesn't have to be personal to be completely offensive and ethically repugnant. But I also have kids. if it's not removed in the next ten years, then it will be very personal.

Volty, I agree with you completely on the ethical wrongness of it.

 

However, if your intent is to send your kids to college in America, they will have no problem.

 

Applicants from abroad who speak, I presume, fluent mandarin and are multi ethnic to boot? If they have decent grades, schools will line up to give them money. There are many kinds of diversity, and schools love "geographic and cultural diversity."

 

I went to a small, very well endowed college for law school. Most of the black people there were not named laquanda, and they were not from inner city America. They were from Nigeria, it Kenya, or wherever.

[Voltaire 5,534]

Volty, I agree with you completely on the ethical wrongness of it.

However, if your intent is to send your kids to college in America, they will have no problem.

Applicants from abroad who speak, I presume, fluent mandarin and are multi ethnic to boot? If they have decent grades, schools will line up to give them money. There are many kinds of diversity, and schools love "geographic and cultural diversity."

I went to a small, very well endowed college for law school. Most of the black people there were not named laquanda, and they were not from inner city America. They were from Nigeria, it Kenya, or wherever.

Their English is subpar and not good enough to compete with other American kids. That's my responsibility to fix though. Anyways, it's not so bad in that Affirmative Action is already illegal in Michigan's public universities which is the most important state. But other states offer full tuition for National Guard members which Michigan does not. Still a long way off though.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Volty, I agree with you completely on the ethical wrongness of it.

 

However, if your intent is to send your kids to college in America, they will have no problem.

 

Applicants from abroad who speak, I presume, fluent mandarin and are multi ethnic to boot? If they have decent grades, schools will line up to give them money. There are many kinds of diversity, and schools love "geographic and cultural diversity."

 

I went to a small, very well endowed college for law school. Most of the black people there were not named laquanda, and they were not from inner city America. They were from Nigeria, it Kenya, or wherever.

It would be hilarious if Voltaire's kids benefitted from AA

[Voltaire 5,534]

It would be hilarious if Voltaire's kids benefitted from AA

Maybe. They look Hispanic.

[wiffleball 4,797]

It would be hilarious if Voltaire's kids benefitted from AA

oh, I think many of us here would greatly benefit from AA

[peenie 2,027]

I had two white friends and my own personal experience turned my head around about affirmative action.

One friend was a white girl who went to a black school.

She was like, "I went to a black school in a depressed neighborhood but could not take advantage of affirmative action because I'm not black."

That struck me....she should have been able to receive affirmative action because black skin isn't really the issue (imo), it's that many blacks lacked access to good schools based on housing segregation that should get help. She falls into that category even though she is white.

 

The second white person was a guy from Alabama who went to a really poor rural school. He didn't receive a proper education and had to do quite a bit of work in a local state college to overcome his disadvantage. He even went so far as to lose his southern accent as he felt it led northerners to think less of him. He didn't get a chance to use his disadvantage to help him get into college.

 

My own personal experience is that one should only be admitted to school where the person's grades would get them accepted. Meaning, C students shouldn't be going to Georgetown and B students shouldn't be going to Harvard. They will fail because they cannot compete and are not adequately prepared for the school. Sure, grant blacks access to schools to keep the school diverse but do not allow unqualified people in.

 

I even recall Clarence Thomas saying that affirmative action isn't a real fix. If people were truly interested in helping blacks stuck and unable to move up and out of the situation they were born in, we would fix elementary schools, not law schools. I completely agree.

 

Yet, I'm grateful affirmative action has been put in place to help. It's not perfect but it's a start. It needs modifying or updating I suppose.

[wiffleball 4,797]

I remember one of my first Management jobs was at Time Warner.

 

 

Interview went great, thought I was an absolute lock. So much so, I actually quit my (unbearable) job in anticipation. I know, stupid move, but that's how well it went.

 

It took almost two months to hear back. And I got the job.

 

After I got comfortable with my boss, I asked her about the freaking delay - because they were supposedly SOOOO desperate to have that position filled ASAP. We even talked about the possibility of nuking the 2 weeks notice "if the money was right".

 

Turns out, she had to "go all the way up the chain to get permission to hire another white person for the role."

 

 

Form your own conclusions about AA in light of that.

[MDC 8,136]

I remember one of my first Management jobs was at Time Warner.

 

 

Interview went great, thought I was an absolute lock. So much so, I actually quit my (unbearable) job in anticipation. I know, stupid move, but that's how well it went.

 

It took almost two months to hear back. And I got the job.

 

After I got comfortable with my boss, I asked her about the freaking delay - because they were supposedly SOOOO desperate to have that position filled ASAP. We even talked about the possibility of nuking the 2 weeks notice "if the money was right".

 

Turns out, she had to "go all the way up the chain to get permission to hire another white person for the role."

 

 

Form your own conclusions about AA in light of that.

I bet they wished they'd hired the black guy.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I remember one of my first Management jobs was at Time Warner.

 

 

Interview went great, thought I was an absolute lock. So much so, I actually quit my (unbearable) job in anticipation. I know, stupid move, but that's how well it went.

 

It took almost two months to hear back. And I got the job.

 

After I got comfortable with my boss, I asked her about the freaking delay - because they were supposedly SOOOO desperate to have that position filled ASAP. We even talked about the possibility of nuking the 2 weeks notice "if the money was right".

 

Turns out, she had to "go all the way up the chain to get permission to hire another white person for the role."

 

 

Form your own conclusions about AA in light of that.

I can beat that.

 

My wife, before she moved here, lived in Louisiana.

 

She was hired for a government job with the state of Louisiana. On her third day, someone from hr came in and told her there was a mistake, and they couldn't hire a white person for the position. She was so disgusted, she decided to leave the state and move here.

 

So in an indirect fashion, AA is the reason I haven't had secks that didn't involve leaving money on the dresser in five years.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I bet they wished they'd hired the black guy.

I bet they wish they didn't hire anyone and just did the work themselves.

[Voltaire 5,534]

I can beat that.

 

My wife, before she moved here, lived in Louisiana.

 

She was hired for a government job with the state of Louisiana. On her third day, someone from hr came in and told her there was a mistake, and they couldn't hire a white person for the position. She was so disgusted, she decided to leave the state and move here.

 

So in an indirect fashion, AA is the reason I haven't had secks that didn't involve leaving money on the dresser in five years.

She should have pointed out that she's not interested in having sex with men; they might have let her stay.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

She should have pointed out that she's not interested in having sex with men; they might have let her stay.

Well done sir.

[peenie 2,027]

(I need to apply for a government job....)

[naomi 361]

My own personal experience is that one should only be admitted to school where the person's grades would get them accepted. Meaning, C students shouldn't be going to Georgetown and B students shouldn't be going to Harvard. They will fail because they cannot compete and are not adequately prepared for the school. Sure, grant blacks access to schools to keep the school diverse but do not allow unqualified people in.

 

Kind of an aside to this but this guy who TA'ed while he was at Berkeley told me he remembers a pharmacy student who didn't know that Mexico was not a part of the U.S. and when asked who won the civil war she thought about it for a while and then asked "us?"

 

She was born in the U.S. Most likely got great grades in high school. Graduated Berkeley. Probably a pharmacist now.

[penultimatestraw 473]

oh, I think many of us here would greatly benefit from AA

And AAA.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

oh, I think many of us here would greatly benefit from AA

I'm pretty sure that is old maids cup size.

[Artista 460]

oh, I think many of us here would greatly benefit from AA

Yes, most of you would benefit from Alcoholics Anonymous...

[DankNuggs 305]

I bet they wished they'd hired the black guy.

[DankNuggs 305]

I had two white friends and my own personal experience turned my head around about affirmative action.

One friend was a white girl who went to a black school.

She was like, "I went to a black school in a depressed neighborhood but could not take advantage of affirmative action because I'm not black."

 

She then decided to grow an afro, darkly tan her skin and lead the NAACP...

[Artista 460]

She then decided to grow an afro, darkly tan her skin and lead the NAACP...

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Updating here since it is the most recent thread on race issues...

 

New York City reached a settlement with the family of Eric Garner on Monday, agreeing to pay $5.9 million to resolve a wrongful-death claim over his killing by the police on Staten Island last July, the city comptroller and a lawyer for the family said.

The agreement, reached a few days before the anniversary of Mr. Garners death, headed off one legal battle even as a federal inquiry into the killing and several others at the state and local level remain open and could provide a further accounting of how he died.

Still, the settlement was a pivotal moment in a case that has engulfed the city since the afternoon of July 17, 2014, when two officers approached Mr. Garner as he stood unarmed on a sidewalk, and accused him of selling untaxed cigarettes. One of the officers used a chokehold prohibited by the Police Department to subdue him, and that was cited by the medical examiner as a cause of Mr. Garners death.