White People

[parrot 790]

Oh, bullsh*t.

 

If you're the right color you get your hand held everywhere. You get hidden bonuses to college admissions, get race based scholarships. government contractor benefits, employers clamor to hire you and it's really hard to get fired. You get a massive, crying victim support system already in place. Nobody gives a sh*t about poor white people.

 

What's "the right color"? Black? Yeah, all these things are awesome if you ever make it out of the terrible socio-economic situation you are born into to ever sniff a college education or a government contract.

 

Or maybe try visiting a reservation sometime and then tell me you want a piece of that sh!t pie.

[MDC 8,136]

 

I do not follow, I assure you that I can bring up many posts that clearly refute such an assertion. Further, while I post consistently based on actions and situations I do not that MDC and even yourself tend to focus on race over actions as a mitigating factor. Sometimes I see areas where we agree, but where race is a component and I stand consistent you will tend to drift into racist sentiment.

Still looking for my racist posts and lies about you?

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

I have seen the opposite as a rule, I think this is a perception that gets traction but what I have seen is that most business owners want to make money, and they want to employ good people who can assure them success in this pursuit. I see people of all ethnicity being hired and not hired based on factors associated with business need. The notion that employers avoid people based on their race is a old one that seems to stick around, but really has no current basis.

This is an older study, but there are some newer one suggesting the same phenomenon: http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873

We perform a field experiment to measure racial discrimination in the labor market. We respond with fictitious resumes to help-wanted ads in Boston and Chicago newspapers. To manipulate perception of race, each resume is assigned either a very African American sounding name or a very White sounding name. The results show significant discrimination against African-American names: White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. We also find that race affects the benefits of a better resume. For White names, a higher quality resume elicits 30 percent more callbacks whereas for African Americans, it elicits a far smaller increase. Applicants living in better neighborhoods receive more callbacks but, interestingly, this effect does not differ by race. The amount of discrimination is uniform across occupations and industries. Federal contractors and employers who list Equal Opportunity Employer' in their ad discriminate as much as other employers. We find little evidence that our results are driven by employers inferring something other than race, such as social class, from the names. These results suggest that racial discrimination is still a prominent feature of the labor market.

More recent study: http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/12/09/sf.sou111.abstract

In this research, I examine employment opportunities for white and black graduates of elite top-ranked universities versus high-ranked but less selective institutions. Using an audit design, I create matched candidate pairs and apply for 1,008 jobs on a national job-search website. I also exploit existing birth-record data in selecting names to control for differences across social class within racialized names. The results show that although a credential from an elite university results in more employer responses for all candidates, black candidates from elite universities only do as well as white candidates from less selective universities. Moreover, race results in a double penalty: When employers respond to black candidates, it is for jobs with lower starting salaries and lower prestige than those of white peers. These racial differences suggest that a bachelor's degree, even one from an elite institution, cannot fully counteract the importance of race in the labor market. Thus, both discrimination and differences in human capital contribute to racial economic inequality.

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

What's "the right color"? Black? Yeah, all these things are awesome if you ever make it out of the terrible socio-economic situation you are born into to ever sniff a college education or a government contract.

 

Or maybe try visiting a reservation sometime and then tell me you want to be born into that sh!t.

 

Again, you'r espeaking of CLASS.

 

The reason I like the first grade class example is that at 6 years old, none of the students have been exposed yet to the culture at home. And all of those kids...white, black, brown, asian, indian all truly have the same shot to suceed in life. IF their home life were all equal.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Let's examine these barriers......remember we are talking race only, not class.

 

Are they barriers from schools? No in fact in 2015 minorities have more chances to succeed.

 

Are they barriers from employment? No, in fact in 2015 Diversity laws and Affirmitave Action give minorities equal footing if not more.

 

Most of the barriers that exist that are NOT class, the true race barriers exist outside of work, school, society. In America, in 2015 and beyond, the "institutional racism" is all but gone. The barriers that exist are at home and within the "culture".

 

Asians, Indians, are a minority in this country. Their skin is not white. But guess what? Rarely do we see any negative associations with them. Why? They have solid family structures on average and education is big deal in those cultures on average. Thus alot of negative sterotypes that other minorities face don't exist.

 

More than 72% of African American babies are born out of Wedlock. The least percentage born out of wedlock? Asians - 17%

 

I don't think that is a coincidence. The barriers that exist, today, in 2015 for African Americans is less from "Whitey". It's more from home.

Why do you think prospective employers are less likely to respond to those with stereotypic black names? Or offer less pay to black applicants? See my last post.

[parrot 790]

 

Again, you'r espeaking of CLASS.

 

The reason I like the first grade class example is that at 6 years old, none of the students have been exposed yet to the culture at home. And all of those kids...white, black, brown, asian, indian all truly have the same shot to suceed in life. IF their home life were all equal.

 

Which, on average, they are not. If you are white you have a much greater chance of being born into an at least middle-class environment, of having a more stable home life, and of going to better schools, thus having an easier time getting ahead.

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

Which, on average, they are not. If you are white you have a much greater chance of being born into an at least middle-class environment, of having a more stable home life, and of going to better schools, thus having an easier time getting ahead.

 

Agreed. But again, you're going back to class.

 

But Why are Blacks continually being born into lower middle class environments? Yes, a percentage would and could be that African Americans had a slow start due to institutional racism 60 years ago and beyond. Yes, granted.

 

But in 2015? No, they have a chance in school and to suceed in life, to many don't take advantage.

 

Asians and Indians are brown and black. So called "Whitey" and this, as peenie sayss "White Supremecy and Privledge" isn't holding them down. They are thriving in this country. I would argue it's because education is on average valued in those cultures. And those cultures have very low percentage of kids born fatherless.

 

Don Lemon says what "Whitey" can't:

 

[RLLD 4,283]

 

Agreed. But again, you're going back to class.

 

But Why are Blacks continually being born into lower middle class environments? Yes, a percentage would and could be that African Americans had a slow start due to institutional racism 60 years ago and beyond. Yes, granted.

 

But in 2015? No, they have a chance in school and to many don't take advantage.

 

Asians and Indians are brown and black. So called "Whitey" isn't holding them down. They are thriving.

 

Don Lemon says what "Whitey" can't:

 

 

 

To be fair, progress has been made. But let's keep the right perspective too, you cannot flip a switch and fix this, real freedom and economic access did not really begin until the 1970's....you simply cannot "fix" hundreds of years of oppression in just 30-50 years, it will take time.....we all have to be patient and purposeful.....

[parrot 790]

 

Agreed. But again, you're going back to class.

 

But Why are Blacks continually being born into lower middle class environments? Yes, a percentage would and could be that African Americans had a slow start due to institutional racism 60 years ago and beyond. Yes, granted.

 

But in 2015? No, they have a chance in school and to many don't take advantage.

 

Asians and Indians are brown and black. So called "Whitey" isn't holding them down. They are thriving.

 

Don Lemon says what "Whitey" can't:

 

 

 

I didn't say anything about anyone holding anyone down, or that there is anyone who CAN'T be successful if they work hard enough at it. I'm just saying that I think that path is a little easier for white people. Asians and Indians are thriving due to an insane work ethic that most white people I know would never approach.

[RLLD 4,283]

 

I didn't say anything about anyone holding anyone down, or that there is anyone who CAN'T be successful if they work hard enough at it. I'm just saying that I think that path is a little easier for white people. Asians and Indians are thriving due to an insane work ethic that most white people I know would never approach.

 

I do agree, but your suggesting that it is work ethic that distinguishes asians and indians would appear to support the notion that it is effort and not access that is the pivotal component.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

No Irish Need Apply

[parrot 790]

 

I do agree, but your suggesting that it is work ethic that distinguishes asians and indians would appear to support the notion that it is effort and not access that is the pivotal component.

 

I think effort and access are both critical components. And yes, anyone can overcome anything with enough effort. I think culture is the key component. Black culture is broken, American Indian culture is broken, mush of Hispanic culture is broken. Some of white culture is broken too, granted, but, in my experience, on average it's a smoother road for a white kid to achieve some level of success than the kids trying to climb out of these sh!t-holes. And I think we all know this is true, whether we want to admit it or not, so I'm not even going to debate it anymore.

[KSB2424 3,174]

In 2015, even in the South I know hardly anyone who is just flat out racist. Are there people, sure, there always will be people who judge others based SOLEY on the color of their skin. That is just not white people only...but all people. When you have a half billion folks in a country you're always gonna have a percentage of something.

 

However 9 out 10 people I know could care the fock less what color you are....their co-worker, their neighbor, their friend. If you are a good person, treats others with respect, aren't violent, doesn't do stupid crap, keeps up your poperty, etc. Nobody gives a flying fock the color of your skin.

 

It's the actions that matter. Some white trash wanna be Eminen who lets his pit bull run free and doesn't mow his lawn and is disrespectful to others.....I will judge that person harsly. Asian, Indian, Black neighbor who minds their own business, mows their lawn, and is respectful of others. Well they will probably be my friend and come over for cook outs.

 

Race and Racism, in 2015, is so played out. It's annoying that's all people talk about on TV. It's a crutch to often used, when a mirror is needed instead.

[RLLD 4,283]

 

I think effort and access are both critical components. And yes, anyone can overcome anything with enough effort. I think culture is the key component. Black culture is broken, American Indian culture is broken, mush of Hispanic culture is broken. Some of white culture is broken too, granted, but, in my experience, on average it's a smoother road for a white kid to achieve some level of success than the kids trying to climb out of these sh!t-holes. And I think we all know this is true, whether we want to admit it or not, so I'm not even going to debate it anymore.

 

Fair enough, I agree with you in part, though not in total, at least you reply with a coherent message free of hate.

[Baker Boy 1,711]

 

Watch white people cry about white privilege in a new MTV documentary “White People”

 

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/watch_white_people_cry_about_white_privilege_in_a_new_mtv_documentary_white_people/

[Artista 460]

I'm Iranian. I'm 'offended' there is no listing of "Iranian" on the zillion forms I'm filling out, so I'm left trying to figure out what I should check.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I'm Iranian. I'm 'offended' there is no listing of "Iranian" on the zillion forms I'm filling out, so I'm left trying to figure out what I should check.

My cousin married an Iranian girl. Niece to the Shah. She's very nice.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Why do you think prospective employers are less likely to respond to those with stereotypic black names? Or offer less pay to black applicants? See my last post.

One interesting fact that jumped out of your post and that was applicants from better neighborhoods somehow are not discriminated against. Could be an anomaly, but it appears that the socio economic factor transcends race, resume, and college. One might say that race only matters if you are poor, but more than likely if you are poor, nothing else matters.

[penultimatestraw 473]

One interesting fact that jumped out of your post and that was applicants from better neighborhoods somehow are not discriminated against. Could be an anomaly, but it appears that the socio economic factor transcends race, resume, and college. One might say that race only matters if you are poor, but more than likely if you are poor, nothing else matters.

Applicants from better neighborhoods (zip codes) get interviewed more often, regardless of race. But African Americans still get less interviews than whites from the same address, implying discrimination still exists. The authors' conclusion:

In summary, while the quality of the neighborhood of residence is a significant factor in employers’ decision to contact a job applicant, African Americans do not appear to benefit more than Whites from living in better neighborhoods. These findings are interesting. Indeed, if ghettos and bad neighborhoods are particularly stigmatizing for African Americans, one might have expected African Americans to be helped more by having a “good” address. Our results do not lend support to this hypothesis.

[vuduchile 1,947]

Why do you think prospective employers are less likely to respond to those with stereotypic black names? Or offer less pay to black applicants? See my last post.

This definitely happens. I've witnessed it first hand.

[vuduchile 1,947]

In 2015, even in the South I know hardly anyone who is just flat out racist.

I see it all the time and I live in the mid west near a major city.

 

3 days ago a man was in my store and made a remark about some guy down the street holding a sale sign and waving at people.. He said, "If my boss asked me to do that, I'd tell him to find a n!gger to do that work."

 

Last month we visited my father in law in the Chicago burbs. I asked him how he was liking his new house and neighborhood. He repled, "There's too many n!ggers."

 

Racisim is alive and kicking in America.

[vuduchile 1,947]

 

I think effort and access are both critical components. And yes, anyone can overcome anything with enough effort. I think culture is the key component. Black culture is broken, American Indian culture is broken, mush of Hispanic culture is broken. Some of white culture is broken too, granted, but, in my experience, on average it's a smoother road for a white kid to achieve some level of success than the kids trying to climb out of these sh!t-holes. And I think we all know this is true, whether we want to admit it or not, so I'm not even going to debate it anymore.

There are some sectors of white cultures that are broken too. There's a whole bunch of poor white trash folks throughout the country who've never known anything but poverty, struggle, abuse, and neglect.

 

I've been close with several Italian-American, Greek- American and Japanese-American families and their network of friends. Their "cultures" seem to be more in tune with ensuring individual, family and extended family success in whatever they do. There are lessons to be learned from these groups IMO.

[parrot 790]

There are some sectors of white cultures that are broken too. There's a whole bunch of poor white trash folks throughout the country who've never known anything but poverty, struggle, abuse, and neglect.

 

I've been close with several Italian-American, Greek- American and Japanese-American families and their network of friends. Their "cultures" seem to be more in tune with ensuring individual, family and extended family success in whatever they do. There are lessons to be learned from these groups IMO.

I'm not denying that, that's why I said "Some of white culture is broken too, granted". Hell I came from a broken home, trailer trash, fairly impoverished. upbringing myself. My Mom busted her ass to get us out of the trailer park and into a house on the right side of town.

[wiffleball 4,797]

I'm Iranian. I'm 'offended' there is no listing of "Iranian" on the zillion forms I'm filling out, so I'm left trying to figure out what I should check.

Every Iranian person I've ever met consciously referred to themselves as "Persian".

 

And, Iranian wimmens are beautiful. Wow.

[Mungwater 601]

Every Iranian person I've ever met consciously referred to themselves as "Persian".

 

And, Iranian wimmens are beautiful. Wow.

Don't forget hairy.. If their snatches aren't kept up, it's looks like a poodle ran through an oil spill when they're in the mood

[Artista 460]

Don't forget hairy.. If their snatches aren't kept up, it's looks like a poodle ran through an oil spill when they're in the mood

Ew. Did you date one that was sporting the chador look? I've never seen a "hairy" female Iranian..

[Artista 460]

Every Iranian person I've ever met consciously referred to themselves as "Persian".

 

And, Iranian wimmens are beautiful. Wow.

Persian and Iranian are used interchangeably. Just like I speak persian and I speak farsi are used interchangeably, though farsi is more commonly used.

[parrot 790]

Don't forget hairy.. If their snatches aren't kept up, it's looks like a poodle ran through an oil spill when they're in the mood

 

:SPITTAKE:

[Sho Nuff 720]

Watch white people cry about white privilege in a new MTV documentary “White People”

 

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/watch_white_people_cry_about_white_privilege_in_a_new_mtv_documentary_white_people/

 

You just figuring this out?

Did you even see the OP posting to a video about it?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I'm Iranian. I'm 'offended' there is no listing of "Iranian" on the zillion forms I'm filling out, so I'm left trying to figure out what I should check.

Well, we don't have many of those in the south, but I guess you could go with

 

Sand n!gger

Camel jockey

Raghead

Terror suspect

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:much love Arista, I'm just focking with you.

[Artista 460]

Well, we don't have many of those in the south, but I guess you could go with

 

Sand n!gger

Camel jockey

Raghead

Terror suspect

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:much love Arista, I'm just focking with you.

Yeah, maybe that's why you don't find many Iranians living in the south..

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Yeah, maybe that's why you don't find many Iranians living in the south..

Actually, there is a large Kurdish population in Nashville. There Are parts of town where half the signs are in Arabic and half in Spanish.

 

I worked with a Kurdish girl for a while. I told her "I have a million questions for you, please don't be offended, I'm just interested."

 

Both she and her sister had arranged marriages. It was basically a swap for a bride for her brother.

[Voltaire 5,534]

 

What's "the right color"? Black? Yeah, all these things are awesome if you ever make it out of the terrible socio-economic situation you are born into to ever sniff a college education or a government contract.

 

Or maybe try visiting a reservation sometime and then tell me you want a piece of that sh!t pie.

Did I read the words socio-economic situation? You've accidentally discovered the real problem.

 

[Voltaire 5,534]

 

Which, on average, they are not. If you are white you have a much greater chance of being born into an at least middle-class environment, of having a more stable home life, and of going to better schools, thus having an easier time getting ahead.

And since most are, the white ones that aren't in a middle class environment are unworthy of any help. Meanwhile, of course, we continue to trip over ourselves give all those benefits and bonuses to the rich black kid because they have it so rough.

 

 

[parrot 790]

Did I read the words socio-economic situation? You've accidentally discovered the real problem.

 

I understand the real problem. It doesn't change the reality of the situation.

[wiffleball 4,797]

There is a large population of kurdish immigrants in Wisconsin.

 

Cheese kutds are delicious.

[Artista 460]

Actually, there is a large Kurdish population in Nashville. There Are parts of town where half the signs are in Arabic and half in Spanish.

 

I worked with a Kurdish girl for a while. I told her "I have a million questions for you, please don't be offended, I'm just interested."

 

Both she and her sister had arranged marriages. It was basically a swap for a bride for her brother.

 

Actually, most don't think of them as Iranians. I think of Turkey when I hear kurdish. But I know they don't have a real state so we were kind enough to offer some of our border in the mountains to them..

 

Even though farsi looks like arabic, it's not the same at all. I can't understand/read any of it. Farsi takes more after european languages, just the writing looks arabic. French was a breeze to learn for me as the grammar is basically the same.

 

Also, arranged marriages are a thing of the past in modern Iran...

[wiffleball 4,797]

Artista hates joos.

[Artista 460]

Artista hates joos.

I hate no one. Not even this gnat that has been buzzing around for the last few that won't leave me alone..

[wiffleball 4,797]

do you know what you call an Israeli tanning parlor?

 

 

orange jews.