Tyrod Taylor to the Broncos Trade Rumor

[erikthebassist 41]

People in Buffalo are hearing about a rumor that Tyrod Taylor may be going to Denver in a 3 way trade with the Browns that gives Buffalo the second over all pick.

[erikthebassist 41]

Personally I think it would be insane. Yes T-rod is looking for a payday, and he should. He would love this trade, and it would be great for the Broncos, and maybe even for the Browns who really have to think about building a team and not swinging for the fences and thinking they can land a LeBron that just makes all the difference like the Cavs did... But it would be horrible for the Bills, a huge step backwards, the offense under trod was not the problem, it was poor defensive play from a unit that should have done better with the talent it had.

 

The Bills are a playoff contender as they stand and can easily address some of their veteran off season losses in the draft. They don't need to make any drastic moves.

[weepaws 3,346]

Just read that Kaepernick deal to the Broncos might already have been done , saw it Roto . But who knows .

[erikthebassist 41]

Just read that Kaepernick deal to the Broncos might already have been done , saw it Roto . But who knows .

 

Good, I'd rather keep trod here than roll the dice on Goff or Wentz

[Ray_T 786]

I'm still thinking that Hoyer needs to go somewhere.

 

sure he melted down in the playoffs, but he at least got his team to the playoffs and this is still better than what a lot of QB's have done.

 

maybe a prudent team acquires him and hopes he learns from his mistakes.

 

I do think he may be able to get it done in Denver with a top notch Defense.

 

He doesnt need to do much.

 

all he needs to do is game manage, Play a conservative game, and let the D do its thing. I still like him more than I like Sanchez.

 

the only question I have, is what is the asking price for Hoyer? if it's cheap, why wouldnt they give it a shot? I'm sure Houston wants to be rid of the cap hit.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

I'm still thinking that Hoyer needs to go somewhere.

 

sure he melted down in the playoffs, but he at least got his team to the playoffs and this is still better than what a lot of QB's have done.

 

maybe a prudent team acquires him and hopes he learns from his mistakes.

 

I do think he may be able to get it done in Denver with a top notch Defense.

 

He doesnt need to do much.

 

all he needs to do is game manage, Play a conservative game, and let the D do its thing. I still like him more than I like Sanchez.

 

the only question I have, is what is the asking price for Hoyer? if it's cheap, why wouldnt they give it a shot? I'm sure Houston wants to be rid of the cap hit.

If you want Hoyer then you are just aiming for mediocrity at best. He will NEVER lead a team to a SB. Once he faces a good defense, which are usually the teams in the playoffs, he is going to get smoked every time. Retread mediocre at best quarter backs make me shudder.

[R8RMick 242]

Denver should hold out for Nick Foles.

[Ray_T 786]

If you want Hoyer then you are just aiming for mediocrity at best. He will NEVER lead a team to a SB. Once he faces a good defense, which are usually the teams in the playoffs, he is going to get smoked every time. Retread mediocre at best quarter backs make me shudder.

All I'm saying is if I'm faced with a choice between him and Sanchez, I'd prefer him.

 

I think I also prefer him to Kap.

 

I suppose that's not saying much, but it seems to be better than most of the options Denver is exploring.

[weepaws 3,346]

All I'm saying is if I'm faced with a choice between him and Sanchez, I'd prefer him.

 

I think I also prefer him to Kap.

 

I suppose that's not saying much, but it seems to be better than most of the options Denver is exploring.

Really I don't , I would rather have Kap over a back up Qb like Hoyer .

 

And I would rather have Sanchez over him also .

[Showboat 290]

Retread mediocre at best quarter backs make me shudder.

 

 

Denver should hold out for Nick Foles.

[R8RMick 242]

 

 

 

And Kap is better than Foles? You pays your money you takes your choice.

[Ray_T 786]

Really I don't , I would rather have Kap over a back up Qb like Hoyer .

 

And I would rather have Sanchez over him also .

on this we differ, but in the end we may be splitting hairs.

 

Neither is a top end QB.

 

I prefer Hoyer because he at least had a reasonably successful regular season and because Kap really had an awful regular season.

 

Sanchez I question whether he is actually a legitimate starting QB.

 

That being said, he was crappy in New York and didnt have much to work with in the offense. There also wasnt much creativity in the offense either. So I guess you could at least question whether that was the fault of the coach too.

 

He did look good in spots as the backup, so I could accept that hes worth a second look. But I wouldnt want him to be my only option and I'd want him to actually need to win his starting job by beating out someone. If he can beat out Hoyer or Fitz or another middling pro QB then I guess he deserves the job.

 

Keep in mind. Manning was a game manager in the playoffs. He wasnt spectacular. he did just enough to keep them from losing and let the Defense work its magic.

 

Denver doesnt need anything more than a Middling QB who wont throw a lot of pics.

 

in 11 games he had a completion percentage of 60.7% 19 TD and 7 INT.

 

pro rated, that works out to roughly 3800 yards passing, 27 TD and 10 INT over a 16 game season. Not great, but certainly not terrible.

 

Kap played 9 games, threw for 1615 yards, 6 TD and 5 INT and ran for 256 yards. pro rated that works out to 2871 yards 11 TD, 9 INT Although he was injured more often than not, the more realistic stat projection would be the 2014 season where he threw 19 TD and 10 INT and threw for 3369 yards and ran for 641 yards.

 

 

Upside to a move to Denver for Hoyer:

 

• Better D- Shorter fields (likely more TD's due to performance of D)

 

• Both teams have one Stud WR (Thomas for Denver, Hopkins for Houston) I do consider the secondary receivers in Denver Sanders to be better than the secondary receivers Hoyer had to work with in Houston (Nate Washington & the oft injured Cecil shorts who is now #2 on the houston Depth chart)

 

 

Downside risks of a move to Denver.

• The line in Houston is better than the line in Denver. That being said, Denver improved at LT, if they also draft someone, this line may not be terrible.

 

For Kap, a move to Denver has the following upside potential:

 

• Better Receivers.
• shorter fields due to better D

Risks:

 

• Weaker Line

The wildcard is his running ability which could makeup for a certain amount of bad line play, but also exposes him to more hits and a larger risk of injury so this could be a positive or a negative depending on how it shakes out.

 

I like Hoyer better because I think he'd fit better in the system they have. I also like the fact that he seems to take the heat a bit better than Kap.

Worth noting: he started his career in New England and learned in a good system that I believe was more structured than that which Kap learned under.

 

anyhow, I'd prefer Hoyer to Kap in this scenario, but If you look at the upsides vs downsides theres not a ton of difference between the two. Cap gets more yards on the ground. Hoyer gets more yards through the air. I think Hoyer is a better fit for the tools in place for this offense. (I also think Fitz is a better fit too, but hes not really part of this discussion at this point)

[weepaws 3,346]

on this we differ, but in the end we may be splitting hairs.

 

Neither is a top end QB.

 

I prefer Hoyer because he at least had a reasonably successful regular season and because Kap really had an awful regular season.

 

Sanchez I question whether he is actually a legitimate starting QB.

 

That being said, he was crappy in New York and didnt have much to work with in the offense. There also wasnt much creativity in the offense either. So I guess you could at least question whether that was the fault of the coach too.

 

He did look good in spots as the backup, so I could accept that hes worth a second look. But I wouldnt want him to be my only option and I'd want him to actually need to win his starting job by beating out someone. If he can beat out Hoyer or Fitz or another middling pro QB then I guess he deserves the job.

 

Keep in mind. Manning was a game manager in the playoffs. He wasnt spectacular. he did just enough to keep them from losing and let the Defense work its magic.

 

Denver doesnt need anything more than a Middling QB who wont throw a lot of pics.

 

 

 

in 11 games he had a completion percentage of 60.7% 19 TD and 7 INT.

 

pro rated, that works out to roughly 3800 yards passing, 27 TD and 10 INT over a 16 game season. Not great, but certainly not terrible.

 

Kap played 9 games, threw for 1615 yards, 6 TD and 5 INT and ran for 256 yards. pro rated that works out to 2871 yards 11 TD, 9 INT Although he was injured more often than not, the more realistic stat projection would be the 2014 season where he threw 19 TD and 10 INT and threw for 3369 yards and ran for 641 yards.

 

 

Upside to a move to Denver for Hoyer:

 

 

 

 

• Better D- Shorter fields (likely more TD's due to performance of D)

• Both teams have one Stud WR (Thomas for Denver, Hopkins for Houston) I do consider the secondary receivers in Denver Sanders to be better than the secondary receivers Hoyer had to work with in Houston (Nate Washington & the oft injured Cecil shorts who is now #2 on the houston Depth chart)

 

Downside risks of a move to Denver.

• The line in Houston is better than the line in Denver. That being said, Denver improved at LT, if they also draft someone, this line may not be terrible.

For Kap, a move to Denver has the following upside potential:

 

• Better Receivers.
• shorter fields due to better D

Risks:

 

• Weaker Line

The wildcard is his running ability which could makeup for a certain amount of bad line play, but also exposes him to more hits and a larger risk of injury so this could be a positive or a negative depending on how it shakes out.

 

I like Hoyer better because I think he'd fit better in the system they have. I also like the fact that he seems to take the heat a bit better than Kap.

Worth noting: he started his career in New England and learned in a good system that I believe was more structured than that which Kap learned under.

 

anyhow, I'd prefer Hoyer to Kap in this scenario, but If you look at the upsides vs downsides theres not a ton of difference between the two. Cap gets more yards on the ground. Hoyer gets more yards through the air. I think Hoyer is a better fit for the tools in place for this offense. (I also think Fitz is a better fit too, but hes not really part of this discussion at this point)

Wow first very impressive post .

 

Second yes we do differ .

[Ray_T 786]

FYI,

 

Taylor would be a nice acquisition in Denver, but I cant forsee a scenario where it would be to Buffalo's benefit to let him go.

 

Just my opinion.

[Kopy 592]

FYI,

 

Taylor would be a nice acquisition in Denver, but I cant forsee a scenario where it would be to Buffalo's benefit to let him go.

 

Just my opinion.

I agree with you. I keep hearing that Rex Ryan is flat out man crushing on Cardale Jones.

So I guess, I wouldn't put it past Buffalo to take 2 steps back after taking 1 step forward.

[Ray_T 786]

I agree with you. I keep hearing that Rex Ryan is flat out man crushing on Cardale Jones.

So I guess, I wouldn't put it past Buffalo to take 2 steps back after taking 1 step forward.

Well, if the Bills trade him, they will get exactly what they deserve.

 

and the fate of the GM and/or coach will be the same as that of the team (most likely)

[weepaws 3,346]

Makes no sense for the Bills to let Taylor go IMO .

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Manning brought so much more to the table than a middling "game manager" ever could. Experience, wisdom, leadership, a winning history...people who act like you could just plug in any mediocre guy and get the same results are sorely missing the point.

[giraldi02 476]

Makes no sense for the Bills to let Taylor go IMO .

 

If you can get a decent haul for him, sure it does.

 

He's essentially the same size as RGIII, has one year as a starting QB under his belt, and missed time last year due to a knee injury.

 

The type of QB that Taylor, RGIII, Kap all are subjects themselves to not only injury, but severe regression once defenses take away the running lanes. The Redskins last season did a relatively good job of keeping Taylor from running to the outside of the tackle-boxes. More defenses next year will do the same.

 

This is the classic example of over valuing an NFL player because of his contributions to the fantasy game and insinuating that it translates to a good-great real life player. Taylor is mediocre.

 

 

[Ray_T 786]

 

If you can get a decent haul for him, sure it does.

 

He's essentially the same size as RGIII, has one year as a starting QB under his belt, and missed time last year due to a knee injury.

 

The type of QB that Taylor, RGIII, Kap all are subjects themselves to not only injury, but severe regression once defenses take away the running lanes. The Redskins last season did a relatively good job of keeping Taylor from running to the outside of the tackle-boxes. More defenses next year will do the same.

 

This is the classic example of over valuing an NFL player because of his contributions to the fantasy game and insinuating that it translates to a good-great real life player. Taylor is mediocre.

 

 

I doubt that the Broncos would be willing to overpay for him.

 

I think that is the point.

[weepaws 3,346]

If you can get a decent haul for him, sure it does.

He's essentially the same size as RGIII, has one year as a starting QB under his belt, and missed time last year due to a knee injury.

The type of QB that Taylor, RGIII, Kap all are subjects themselves to not only injury, but severe regression once defenses take away the running lanes. The Redskins last season did a relatively good job of keeping Taylor from running to the outside of the tackle-boxes. More defenses next year will do the same.

This is the classic example of over valuing an NFL player because of his contributions to the fantasy game and insinuating that it translates to a good-great real life player. Taylor is mediocre.

 

Problem is I don't see them getting a decent haul for him .

 

So I don't see any reason that it would not benefit the Bills to keep him .

 

Agree he is mediocre , but right now better than what they currently have .

[giraldi02 476]

To clarify my perception of "a decent haul".

 

A gas station cheesesteak. From Fresno, CA.

[erikthebassist 41]

Taylor is better than mediocre. Yes he's a threat with his legs but he also has very good touch on the ball and an accurate deep ball. He was 8-6 as a starter, and that was with a terrible defense and a lot of injuries to his weapons on offense. Give him a healthy offense and a respectable defense and I think he can easily be a 12-4 or at least 10-6 starter which is good enough for the playoffs. Whether he can lead the right team to championship remains to be seen but I'm optimistic.

[shorepatrol 1,871]

 

And Kap is better than Foles? You pays your money you takes your choice.

You put Kap on that Denver team and it'll steam roll through SB's

[ralphster 274]

You put Kap on that Denver team and it'll steam roll through SB's

 

I don't know sp. He looked pretty awful last year.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Broncos should try to get the no.2 pick that is up for trade and take a qb. Getting Kraepernick will be ok as a consolation. I still say he showed enough in SF to get another shot.

[tanatastic 2,062]

You put Kap on that Denver team and it'll steam roll through SB's

Massive overstatement. Let's start with winning the division and go from there.

[Ray_T 786]

Taylor is better than mediocre. Yes he's a threat with his legs but he also has very good touch on the ball and an accurate deep ball. He was 8-6 as a starter, and that was with a terrible defense and a lot of injuries to his weapons on offense. Give him a healthy offense and a respectable defense and I think he can easily be a 12-4 or at least 10-6 starter which is good enough for the playoffs. Whether he can lead the right team to championship remains to be seen but I'm optimistic.

He was actually quite efficient with the football.

 

in 14 games played, he threw for over 3000 yards, Ran for 550 more and tossed 20 TD passes and only 6 INT. He also ran for 4 more TD.

 

He certainly proved hes at least an average starter, but perhaps an above average game manager.

 

I'd certainly prefer him to Kap at this point, but I honestly dont think he is a legitimate option for Denver. I'd be surprised if Buffalo was willing to trade him.

[weepaws 3,346]

I would take Kap over Taylor .

[Kopy 592]

I would take Kap over Taylor .

That would be a pretty interesting poll.

I'd take Taylor myself.

[shorepatrol 1,871]

 

I don't know sp. He looked pretty awful last year.

Yes, he did. On a no talent poorly coached team. Denver is what the Niners where when they were going to SB's a few years ago.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

Yes, he did. On a no talent poorly coached team. Denver is what the Niners where when they were going to SB's a few years ago.

I think this past year was closer to reality with Kaep than his good stretch a few years ago. He just isnt mature enough.

[Vikings4ever 568]

That would be a pretty interesting poll.

I'd take Taylor myself.

Likewise.

 

Kaep seems to have reached his potential. Taylor looks to have room to grow.

[weepaws 3,346]

See I think Kap has room to grow if he gets on the right team .

 

Last season was a car wreak and I really think it was more due to Harbaugh leaving and the mess that he caused .

[giraldi02 476]

See I think Kap has room to grow if he gets on the right team .

 

Last season was a car wreak and I really think it was more due to Harbaugh leaving and the mess that he caused .

 

 

It's been three years since he ran all over Green Bay in the playoffs. He's going to be 29 years old in November. The days of using his athleticism to supersede his ability to throw the ball are waning thin.

 

Since the 2012 season, quarterbacks started all 16 games 70 times. Colin Kaepernick accounted for two of those, in 2013 and 2014.

 

He ranked 49th and 62nd in completion percentage.

He ranked 62nd and 67th in passing yardage.

He ranked 58th and 65th in passing touchdowns.

 

He's rushed for over 100 yards in a regular season game ONCE in his career.

 

He's rested on the laurels of that Green Bay playoff game his entire career without much else to show.

 

If he goes to Denver, I'll probably take him in an MFL10 or two. If he's available late in re-draft maybe I can get my QB2 from him. But Denver is the only fantasy-friendly landing place for him in 2016. And even then, I'm skeptical at best of him suddenly turning it around after he's seemingly failed to do so the duration of his career as a quarterback.

[weepaws 3,346]

So you think Talyor is worth a cheese steak sandwich from a gas station .

 

Of the two Kap and Taylor who would you prefer?

 

My pick is Kap in the right situation.

[giraldi02 476]

Taylor >> Kaepernick

[Smileseers 54]

 

Taylor >> Kaepernick

 

I agree and it's not even close. I can't thing of any situation where a GM or coach would prefer Kap over Tyrod.

[jaxjag 43]

Personally I think it would be insane. Yes T-rod is looking for a payday, and he should. He would love this trade, and it would be great for the Broncos, and maybe even for the Browns who really have to think about building a team and not swinging for the fences and thinking they can land a LeBron that just makes all the difference like the Cavs did... But it would be horrible for the Bills, a huge step backwards, the offense under trod was not the problem, it was poor defensive play from a unit that should have done better with the talent it had.

 

The Bills are a playoff contender as they stand and can easily address some of their veteran off season losses in the draft. They don't need to make any drastic moves.

 

Head Coach?

[erikthebassist 41]

 

Head Coach?

Lol, yeah at this point, as a Bills homer, I'm starting to believe there is a serious lack of leadership going on in that organization. Karlos was looking great last year, shows up to camp overweight and smoking pot. Damarius, same thing. Now they wave Sammy Lawson, drafted two guys with known injury / health problems and said "Nahh, they'll be fine", 1 and 2, both gone already. Couldn't motivate Percy to play last year through some "nagging" but minor injuries.

 

I'm beginning to think guys just don't like playing for him or he stresses them out or something.