Georgie Zimmerman to sell weapon used in trayvon Martin shooting

[MDC 7,505]

 

Evidence suggests it. Eyewitness testimony suggests it.

7 video recorded interviews suggest he was not lying.

 

Nobody on the planet but ZimZam KNOWS what happened that day. But at least I'm not speculating with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Yes, you are speculating. There is no "evidence" that Trayvon initiated physical contact with Zimmerman. To my knowledge there's no eyewitness testimony to that effect either. All you are going on is the testimony of the shooter. GZ had a huge incentive to paint himself as the innocent victim and his deranged behavior ever since makes it even more likely he was the one who started the physical conflict.

 

You have literally nothing to go on but speculation. Just look at your statements in this thread: You say Zimm did nothing illegal, then acknowledge you have no way of knowing that's true.

 

Tap out man. This is your very own FBI surveillance van thread.

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

Yes, you are speculating. There is no "evidence" that Trayvon initiated physical contact with Zimmerman. To my knowledge there's no eyewitness testimony to that effect either. All you are going on is the testimony of the shooter. GZ had a huge incentive to paint himself as the innocent victim and his deranged behavior ever since makes it even more likely he was the one who started the physical conflict.

You have literally nothing to go on but speculation. Just look at your statements in this thread: You say Zimm did nothing illegal, then acknowledge you have no way of knowing that's true.

Tap out man. This is your very own FBI surveillance van thread.

I think this will do it...I'm positive this is the post that is going to penetrate his head like a .50 caliber round going through a grapefruit. Good job.

[MDC 7,505]

I think this will do it...I'm positive this is the post that is going to penetrate his head like a .50 caliber round going through a grapefruit. Good job.

 

Thank you sir. I would pivot to engaging in slapfights while periodically smugly chiding others for slapfighting, but I think you and jerryskids have that schtick well covered.

[BLS 314]

Yes, you are speculating. There is no "evidence" that Trayvon initiated physical contact with Zimmerman. To my knowledge there's no eyewitness testimony to that effect either. All you are going on is the testimony of the shooter. GZ had a huge incentive to paint himself as the innocent victim and his deranged behavior ever since makes it even more likely he was the one who started the physical conflict.

 

You have literally nothing to go on but speculation. Just look at your statements in this thread: You say Zimm did nothing illegal, then acknowledge you have no way of knowing that's true.

 

Tap out man. This is your very own FBI surveillance van thread.

 

Seriously, you have to mentally be 15 years old.

It's unbelievable.

[Cruzer 1,995]

I will never understand how it is that a kid who was minding his own biz, gets chased and run down by an un-uniformed stranger, carrying a handgun, who had no right or biz to be chasing him anyways - gets blamed for the attack.

 

TM wasn't the one chasing Zimms. TM wasn't the one carrying a gun. TM wasn't in the act of committing a crime.... For all this kid knew, Zimms was some crazy ass psycho trying to start trouble. Seems to me TM was the one using self defense.

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

Thank you sir. I would pivot to engaging in slapfights while periodically smugly chiding others for slapfighting, but I think you and jerryskids have that schtick well covered.

I don't think I've ever chided people for getting into slapfights, if anything I was egging i on more...and I'm pretty sure I was just insulted too. That sucks.

[MDC 7,505]

 

Seriously, you have to mentally be 15 years old.

It's unbelievable.

 

Gun thrown?

[MDC 7,505]

I don't think I've ever chided people for getting into slapfights, if anything I was egging i on more...and I'm pretty sure I was just insulted too. That sucks.

 

Sorry, I'm kind of a d1ck.

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

Sorry, I'm kind of a d1ck.

You are in good company here, then.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

 

Sorry, I'm kind of a d1ck.

Total dik. Don't sell yourself short.

[MDC 7,505]

Total dik. Don't sell yourself short.

[hoytdwow 202]

Yes, you are speculating. There is no "evidence" that Trayvon initiated physical contact with Zimmerman. To my knowledge there's no eyewitness testimony to that effect either. All you are going on is the testimony of the shooter. GZ had a huge incentive to paint himself as the innocent victim and his deranged behavior ever since makes it even more likely he was the one who started the physical conflict.

 

You have literally nothing to go on but speculation. Just look at your statements in this thread: You say Zimm did nothing illegal, then acknowledge you have no way of knowing that's true.

 

Tap out man. This is your very own FBI surveillance van thread.

BLS' completely invalid arguments (while simultaneously calling other people "illogical") have definitely been the best part of this thread. The argument goes something like ....

 

There is no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. There is also no evidence that Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation. Therefore, Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation.

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

BLS' completely invalid arguments (while simultaneously calling other people "illogical") have definitely been the best part of this thread. The argument goes something like ....

 

There is no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. There is also no evidence that Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation. Therefore, Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation.

 

MDC has always had a hardon for Zimmerman. There is evidence to suggest Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation and certainly concrete evidence that Trayvon played an active role in the confrontation.

 

Reality. The prosecution over-reached in the indictment and then poorly handled the case. Slamdunk acquittal.

[Mungwater 597]

BLS' completely invalid arguments (while simultaneously calling other people "illogical") have definitely been the best part of this thread. The argument goes something like ....

 

There is no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. There is also no evidence that Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation. Therefore, Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation.

 

I think the question to answer is following someone considered "initiating the confrontation", which I say it is. Unfortunately we will never know what really happened because one of the involved is now dead.

 

But I think we can all agree that trying to sell the gun as a piece of American history is pretty classless

[MDC 7,505]

MDC has always had a hardon for Zimmerman. There is evidence to suggest Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation and certainly concrete evidence that Trayvon played an active role in the confrontation.

 

 

What evidence is there that Trayvon initiated the physical confrontation?

[hoytdwow 202]

There is evidence to suggest Trayvon Martin initiated the confrontation

 

No there isn't. But you're right. It's far less likely that fake Charlie Bronson started it.

[vuduchile 1,945]

The worst part of this story is the fact that someone out there is actually going to buy it.

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

I think the question to answer is following someone considered "initiating the confrontation", which I say it is. Unfortunately we will never know what really happened because one of the involved is now dead.

 

But I think we can all agree that trying to sell the gun as a piece of American history is pretty classless

 

Following someone..."hey you, stop!"

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

How do you argue with people who think TM started this?. Zimerman called the police from his car. He then got out of his car and moved towards TM. Not too complicated. One guy wanted confrontation, another guy didn't know WTF was going on. Arguing whether he should have shot him is one thing. Arguing about who initiated this confrontation is silly.

[hoytdwow 202]

How do you argue with people who think TM started this?. Zimerman called the police from his car. He then got out of his car and moved towards TM. Not too complicated. One guy wanted confrontation, another guy didn't know WTF was going on. Arguing whether he should have shot him is one thing. Arguing about who initiated this confrontation is silly.

Don't forget: the police told him not to follow TM.

[RLLD 4,254]

 

No there isn't. But you're right. It's far less likely that fake Charlie Bronson started it.

 

 

What kind of action might "start it" as you are stating here? If it were known that say, one of them had confronted the other? Is that "starting it".

 

How important is that factor? Are you obliged to confront or fight someone you think is following you? Are you at fault if you approach them and as them why they are following you?

 

Of the people involved who do you believe more?

Dee Dee?

Zimmerman?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

 

What kind of action might "start it" as you are stating here? If it were known that say, one of them had confronted the other? Is that "starting it".

 

How important is that factor? Are you obliged to confront or fight someone you think is following you? Are you at fault if you approach them and as them why they are following you?

 

Of the people involved who do you believe more?

Dee Dee?

Zimmerman?

There's no confrontation if GZ stays in his car, like he was told by a legal authority. You dispute that? And if you want to play your vigilante fantasy, he could have driven away to safety. But no, much like a drunk guy with beer muscles, he got brave while he was carrying.

[BLS 314]

There's no confrontation if GZ stays in his car, like he was told by a legal authority. You dispute that? And if you want to play your vigilante fantasy, he could have driven away to safety. But no, much like a drunk guy with beer muscles, he got brave while he was carrying.

 

911 is NOT the police. HTH.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

 

911 is NOT the police. HTH.

Sometimes it is. And a lot of times it's supervised by police directly.

[drobeski 3,061]

What did the jury think ?

[RLLD 4,254]

There's no confrontation if GZ stays in his car, like he was told by a legal authority. You dispute that? And if you want to play your vigilante fantasy, he could have driven away to safety. But no, much like a drunk guy with beer muscles, he got brave while he was carrying.

 

Certainly Zimmerman has every right to get out of his car and walk around, as did Trayvo Martin. BOTH had that right.

 

Zimmerman, as a member of the local watch, had better get his fat arse out of that car and keep an eye on the situation. And he better get on the phone with the police and report it and get some units out there.

 

And when Dee Dee tells us that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman both should not get physical, but given the evidence and wounds we can reasonably assert that Martin decided to take the confrontation away from words and into physical action. he had no way of knowing if his victim was armed, but he found out.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

What did the jury think ?

OJ

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

How do you argue with people who think TM started this?. Zimerman called the police from his car. He then got out of his car and moved towards TM. Not too complicated. One guy wanted confrontation, another guy didn't know WTF was going on. Arguing whether he should have shot him is one thing. Arguing about who initiated this confrontation is silly.

 

I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's clear one way or another who started it. To me that's the entire point. It's possible Martin say GZ following him, stops turns around and confronts him, it's also possible, GZ catches up to Martin and decides that he's going to detain Martin, nobody can know(other than GZ). Nobody claims to have seen the initial confrontation and there is a brick of time from GZ's 911 to other calls unaccounted(90 seconds I recall). What is known GZ left his vehicle and the evidence supports that in some kind of physical confrontation TM appears to have gotten the upper hand.

 

And with evidence like that, I would absolutely vote not guilty on a jury, but in no way does that make me believe he's innocent, I just think there is enough reasonable doubt that you couldn't convict. On the other hand, to be like some people on here and not entertain other possibilities in this case...well, you can draw your own judgement about those people.

[MDC 7,505]

Even if we assume Zimmerman acted legally and didn't attempt to detail Trayvon or initiate physical confrontation, his grossly irresponsible actions - taking a weapon on a community watch, leaving the van when the police told him not too - are the reason why this shooting occurred.

 

Since we are all for personal responsibility I am sure we can all agree on that.

[drobeski 3,061]

Even if we assume Zimmerman acted legally and didn't attempt to detail Trayvon or initiate physical confrontation, his grossly irresponsible actions - taking a weapon on a community watch, leaving the van when the police told him not too - are the reason why this shooting occurred.

 

Since we are all for personal responsibility I am sure we can all agree on that.

no need to assume, it's been proven he did

[TimmySmith 2,782]

What evidence is there that Trayvon initiated the physical confrontation?

Zimmerman's claim of self defense, followed by a very thorough investigation that could not dispute it. Suggests initiation by Trayvon.

[MDC 7,505]

no need to assume, it's been proven he did

 

No, it hasn't.

[MDC 7,505]

Zimmerman's claim of self defense, followed by a very thorough investigation that could not dispute it. Suggests initiation by Trayvon.

 

 

Well there you have it folks. Zimmerman said the guy he stalked and killed was threatening his life and he had to do it, therefore it's true.

 

[hoytdwow 202]

Zimmerman's claim of self defense, followed by a very thorough investigation that could not dispute it. Suggests initiation by Trayvon.

Hard to dispute when the other guy is dead

[RLLD 4,254]

Even if we assume Zimmerman acted legally and didn't attempt to detail Trayvon or initiate physical confrontation, his grossly irresponsible actions - taking a weapon on a community watch, leaving the van when the police told him not too - are the reason why this shooting occurred.

 

Since we are all for personal responsibility I am sure we can all agree on that.

 

Absolutely.

 

If he had a permit to carry that weapon then he was firmly within his right to carry it, regardless of his status as a member of community watch. That he was carrying a weapon does not equate to irresponsibility, whether he used the weapon might.

 

But in this case Martin decided to confront a person in the dark and enact his own personal responsibility, maybe if he had known that his victim had a weapon he would have thought twice about attacking, maybe.

[hoytdwow 202]

 

 

 

But in this case Martin decided to confront a person in the dark

Not possible to know this.

[RLLD 4,254]

Hard to dispute when the other guy is dead

 

It is, and I think that is a fair assertion in a sea of bias and emotion surrounding this case. In most cases where a murder has transpired you have to base your prosecution and defense on a mound of circumstantial evidence and in the end the jury has to decide which version makes the most sense. in this trial they got it right based on the available evidence.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

Certainly Zimmerman has every right to get out of his car and walk around, as did Trayvo Martin. BOTH had that right.

 

Zimmerman, as a member of the local watch, had better get his fat arse out of that car and keep an eye on the situation. And he better get on the phone with the police and report it and get some units out there.

 

And when Dee Dee tells us that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman both should not get physical, but given the evidence and wounds we can reasonably assert that Martin decided to take the confrontation away from words and into physical action. he had no way of knowing if his victim was armed, but he found out.

[RLLD 4,254]

Not possible to know this.

 

We can only go from the available evidence, such as Dee Dee stating this, taken in context her testimony of her call with Trayon supports this and aligns with Zimmermans statements, making it reasonable that it likely did happen.

[RLLD 4,254]

 

I know login in general, and notably with this case, really challenges you, no surprise that you still don't get it.