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I work at a university, and for whatever reason, it seems like every new hire is 24 years old. Probably to maintain virtual slave labor since you can pay them peanuts. Anyhoo....

 

I have near constant problems with these kids not understanding how the workplace works. Basic stuff like don't talk out of your asss at meetings about stuff when you've been here for 3 weeks. Try to figure stuff out, don't just sit there and say you don't know how to do it. Don't email the boss with an idea about something in my purview without talking to me about it first. Staying in your swim lane, etc. Although it is fun doing point-by-point takedowns of the idea in the reply to the boss.

 

Anyone else? Millennials :rolleyes:

 

#GetOffMyLawn

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no killer instinct.

no "get it done" any way necessary mentality

no " get to work, on time, every day" approach

 

they just don't care as much about their job... or careers...

 

 

on the flip side... maybe they're right? the job and career doesn't care about you... the industrial revolution really did just build generations of suckers who showed up, did what they were told, killed themselves doing it, and were proud of it and the "work ethic".

 

the millenials don't give a sh!at... about your company, that job, or anything else that YOU or corporate america is telling them the HAVE TO care about.

So, while it has its flaws (hard work is needed somewhere if you're gonna' succeed) I can kinda' see where they're coming from.

 

:dunno:

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on the flip side... maybe they're right? the job and career doesn't care about you... the industrial revolution really did just build generations of suckers who showed up, did what they were told, killed themselves doing it, and were proud of it and the "work ethic".

 

 

 

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I hate that new-fangled rock music they're always listening to. And don't even get me started on jazz :mad:

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no killer instinct.

no "get it done" any way necessary mentality

no " get to work, on time, every day" approach

 

they just don't care as much about their job... or careers...

 

 

on the flip side... maybe they're right? the job and career doesn't care about you... the industrial revolution really did just build generations of suckers who showed up, did what they were told, killed themselves doing it, and were proud of it and the "work ethic".

 

the millenials don't give a sh!at... about your company, that job, or anything else that YOU or corporate america is telling them the HAVE TO care about.

So, while it has its flaws (hard work is needed somewhere if you're gonna' succeed) I can kinda' see where they're coming from.

 

:dunno:

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I work at a university, and for whatever reason, it seems like every new hire is 24 years old. Probably to maintain virtual slave labor since you can pay them peanuts. Anyhoo....

 

I have near constant problems with these kids not understanding how the workplace works. Basic stuff like don't talk out of your asss at meetings about stuff when you've been here for 3 weeks. Try to figure stuff out, don't just sit there and say you don't know how to do it. Don't email the boss with an idea about something in my purview without talking to me about it first. Staying in your swim lane, etc. Although it is fun doing point-by-point takedowns of the idea in the reply to the boss.

 

Anyone else? Millennials :rolleyes:

 

#GetOffMyLawn

 

Maybe its your managing style that is the problem, not an entire generation. Just a thought.

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Its true, the selfie obsessed 20 somethings now are entitled and worthless. Good luck getting them off their phones for more than 5 min.

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Maybe its your managing style that is the problem, not an entire generation. Just a thought.

I'm not a manager, just head up a couple of projects

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no killer instinct.

no "get it done" any way necessary mentality

no " get to work, on time, every day" approach

 

they just don't care as much about their job... or careers...

 

 

on the flip side... maybe they're right? the job and career doesn't care about you... the industrial revolution really did just build generations of suckers who showed up, did what they were told, killed themselves doing it, and were proud of it and the "work ethic".

 

the millenials don't give a sh!at... about your company, that job, or anything else that YOU or corporate america is telling them the HAVE TO care about.

So, while it has its flaws (hard work is needed somewhere if you're gonna' succeed) I can kinda' see where they're coming from.

 

:dunno:

That's fine if they start their own company, or put up their own shingle and gain contract work through sellable talent.

 

Otherwise, they can not give a shiot on the way to the unemployment line. :dunno:

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That's fine if they start their own company, or put up their own shingle and gain contract work through sellable talent.

 

Otherwise, they can not give a shiot on the way to the unemployment line. :dunno:

Agreed.

But the "deal" that was once on the table for those who showed up, shut up, and just did their job is no longer there - nobody is "safe" anymore, nobody is doing 30 years with a nice retirement at the end.

And in some ways this is a good thing - the only "safe" path is to pursue something that you are passionate about - and theoretically your passion drives you to be good at it - to develop that skill or talent doing something meaningful... instead of simple showing up, and following the SOPs for 30 years.

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Agreed.

But the "deal" that was once on the table for those who showed up, shut up, and just did their job is no longer there - nobody is "safe" anymore, nobody is doing 30 years with a nice retirement at the end.

And in some ways this is a good thing - the only "safe" path is to pursue something that you are passionate about - and theoretically your passion drives you to be good at it - to develop that skill or talent doing something meaningful... instead of simple showing up, and following the SOPs for 30 years.

Agreed, we've discussed this. IMO it is one thing to not have loyalty to a company, since as you point out that deal is broken. But that doesn't mean you go all special snowflake right out of college. These kids need to learn how to manipulate the system from within its constraints.

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Half the college grads we hire think they should be a manager after 4 months. Of course, they're the laziest, know nothingest pieces of sh¡t around so I guess they're cut out for management.

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To be clear these are not some kind of special kids. The next tastemakers or what have you. They're your basic 24 year olds who have never really had a real job before. and instead of learning the ropes they're all Work should be fun ! And I'm just going to spew ideas all over the place without thinking them through or considering that someone else may already have a stake in the ground on the matter. Focking A

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I work at a university, and for whatever reason, it seems like every new hire is 24 years old. Probably to maintain virtual slave labor since you can pay them peanuts. Anyhoo....

 

I have near constant problems with these kids not understanding how the workplace works. Basic stuff like don't talk out of your asss at meetings about stuff when you've been here for 3 weeks. Try to figure stuff out, don't just sit there and say you don't know how to do it. Don't email the boss with an idea about something in my purview without talking to me about it first. Staying in your swim lane, etc. Although it is fun doing point-by-point takedowns of the idea in the reply to the boss.

 

Anyone else? Millennials :rolleyes:

 

#GetOffMyLawn

You have to train/teach any newbie no matter what generation they are from. When they start you need to explain the chain of command. I generally ease newbies into meetings and tell them to keep quiet and take notes. Then you slowly empower them. Let them make decisions or make them think they make decisions. They will work harder when they feel responsible. If you can't get a good effort out of anyone from that entire generation then maybe you need to improve your own managerial/motivational skills.

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Agreed.

But the "deal" that was once on the table for those who showed up, shut up, and just did their job is no longer there - nobody is "safe" anymore, nobody is doing 30 years with a nice retirement at the end.

And in some ways this is a good thing - the only "safe" path is to pursue something that you are passionate about - and theoretically your passion drives you to be good at it - to develop that skill or talent doing something meaningful... instead of simple showing up, and following the SOPs for 30 years.

Jerry is too much of a robot to get what you're saying.

 

Millennials aren't going to be somebody's fool.

 

But yes, Jerry, they still have to add value somehow :pats head:

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You have to train/teach any newbie no matter what generation they are from. When they start you need to explain the chain of command. I generally ease newbies into meetings and tell them to keep quiet and take notes. Then you slowly empower them. Let them make decisions or make them think they make decisions. They will work harder when they feel responsible. If you can't get a good effort out of anyone from that entire generation then maybe you need to improve your own managerial/motivational skills.

This guy gets it.

 

It's frankly lazy as Fock to just b1tch about the next generation. Lazy sh1tty managers, executives, parents, leaders etc. have been doing that since time immemorial

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Nah the first generation that came in knowing how to use a computer were superstars. The old guys that didn't know what a computer was didn't understand how all the young kids were so productive.

 

Now all those young guys are managers and know how productive people should be.

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You have to train/teach any newbie no matter what generation they are from. When they start you need to explain the chain of command. I generally ease newbies into meetings and tell them to keep quiet and take notes. Then you slowly empower them. Let them make decisions or make them think they make decisions. They will work harder when they feel responsible. If you can't get a good effort out of anyone from that entire generation then maybe you need to improve your own managerial/motivational skills.

All right there manager bob. These kids have never had a real job before...makes it much worse.

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All right there manager bob. These kids have never had a real job before...makes it much worse.

So? Everyone has a first real job. Someone has to teach them the ropes. I am an engineer, we always hire summer interns and new graduates. Someone needs to teach them the company culture and expectations along with technical skills. It shouldn't be just one person teaching these things either. I don't expect a lot from a new graduate or intern right away. (I don't think a lot was expected out of me 30 years ago when I was fresh graduate either). But once they have settled in you give them tasks with completion dates and let them know they need to put in extra hours if the task calls for it. Every generation has workers who underperform, meet expectations and surpass expectations. The latest generation is no different IMO.

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You have to train/teach any newbie no matter what generation they are from. When they start you need to explain the chain of command. I generally ease newbies into meetings and tell them to keep quiet and take notes. Then you slowly empower them. Let them make decisions or make them think they make decisions. They will work harder when they feel responsible. If you can't get a good effort out of anyone from that entire generation then maybe you need to improve your own managerial/motivational skills.

I agree there are a lot of piss poor managers. My biggest problem with this group is the self entitlement and they believe all the theoritical BS their professors fed them in college. The belief they should not have to work over time and should be promoted every two years is :wacko:

 

You are correct. Train them, the smart ones will get it and work hard the ones that don't you let them know they are not performing up to expectations.

The good news is they have a lot of quit in them when they are told they are underperforming. The problem takes care of itself.

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I'm not a manager, just head up a couple of projects

 

Can sizes of the Millennialettes? :wub:

 

Would it be possible to use your position of authority to effect some coerced sectural interactions? Who knows, you may discover that one or more want to be dominated. :o

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I think a lot Generation Xers's just have built up animosity towards Millennials because deep down your angry because you just BARLEY missed growing up with computers. You went threw all of HS, and all of college and then all of a sudden computers took over. Not to long after that computers were in every business in the country. Then these kids start graduating that have grown up with computers and know them like second nature and they are better at your job then you. Fock seniority. Seniority is an excuse for older people to be lazy. Its bitterness. It makes you angry while your pecking away at your keyboard one key at a time, theres a 22 year old kid sitting next to you thats already started working on what you normally start at the end of the day.

 

X = Under-qualified/Overpaid

Millennials = Over-qualified/Underpaid

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Jerry is too much of a robot to get what you're saying.

 

that right there is why jerry fockin' hates you and will take great pleasure in attacking you... his defense of, "B... B.... but he started it" would be valid in this thread.

 

Some of us are doing OK toeing the line of the old way... the old, industrial economy... we got an education, worked hard, followed the rules and did as we were told, and now have a position in management or are at/above the top 3rd of a company. Like nobody said, "now all those young guys are managers and know how productive people should be".

 

And as much as jerry's "special snowflake" comment is hilarious (I laughed), it's interesting that those who succeeded (and still defend) the old way are enraged by "special snowflake" syndrome. Listen, I'm not defending anyone being a self-centered, ignorant, silver-spoon momma's boy - so let's not debate that - but I am suggesting that "special snowflake" is what everyone is looking for in a product or service today.

You wanna' be a "special snowflake" and sell your "special snowflake" product or service? It's gonna' take some knowledge, expertise, and hard work.... but selling "special snowflakes" as a micro-entrepreneur is where it's at today and where it's going in the future.

The Millenials have the unique spot where they are in between... in between the industrial revolution's end and the connection economy's beginning.

20 years ago, if your kid told you she wanted to teach ethnic hungarian dance... as a profession... as a career... you'd have lost your mind. Today, there may be a market for it... there may be a niche for it... and that same kid may make a better life and wage for herself being that "special snowflake".

So, it's a fine line between letting kids be dreaming, no-substance, no-accountability idiots and letting them actually pursue their passion/talent without the fear that they'll never get a "real" job.

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I think a lot Generation Xers's just have built up animosity towards Millennials because deep down your angry because you just BARLEY missed growing up with computers. You went threw all of HS, and all of college and then all of a sudden computers took over. Not to long after that computers were in every business in the country. Then these kids start graduating that have grown up with computers and know them like second nature and they are better at your job then you. Fock seniority. Seniority is an excuse for older people to be lazy. Its bitterness. It makes you angry while your pecking away at your keyboard one key at a time, theres a 22 year old kid sitting next to you thats already started working on what you normally start at the end of the day.

 

X = Under-qualified/Overpaid

Millennials = Over-qualified/Underpaid

:lol:

I bet your mommy and daddy tell you you are special.

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I think a lot Generation Xers's just have built up animosity towards Millennials because deep down your angry because you just BARLEY missed growing up with computers. You went threw all of HS, and all of college and then all of a sudden computers took over. Not to long after that computers were in every business in the country. Then these kids start graduating that have grown up with computers and know them like second nature and they are better at your job then you. Fock seniority. Seniority is an excuse for older people to be lazy. Its bitterness. It makes you angry while your pecking away at your keyboard one key at a time, theres a 22 year old kid sitting next to you thats already started working on what you normally start at the end of the day.

 

X = Under-qualified/Overpaid

Millennials = Over-qualified/Underpaid

 

your whole argument boils down to keeping your skills and knowledge fresh and relevant and it doesn't stop at "computers"... I'm an 80s kid but my tech and computer skills are fantastic and I make sure I stay ahead of the curve... the college kids who come in and work with me today learn a whole lot more from me than they did on their own or in a classroom.

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your whole argument boils down to keeping your skills and knowledge fresh and relevant and it doesn't stop at "computers"... I'm an 80s kid but my tech and computer skills are fantastic and I make sure I stay ahead of the curve... the college kids who come in and work with me today learn a whole lot more from me than they did on their own or in a classroom.

This kid is too young to have any clue what you are talking about.

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your whole argument boils down to keeping your skills and knowledge fresh and relevant and it doesn't stop at "computers"... I'm an 80s kid but my tech and computer skills are fantastic and I make sure I stay ahead of the curve... the college kids who come in and work with me today learn a whole lot more from me than they did on their own or in a classroom.

 

Oh I definitely wasn't encapsulating an entire generation with my post, I'm not that naive, just stating what I have observed in my own personal life experiences.

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I work at a university,

 

 

 

 

I stopped reading right there.

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This kid is too young to have any clue what you are talking about.

 

my question(s) for iam90s would be:

1. what is your unique skill set? what is your passion?

2. how have you started to move towards being a micro-entrepreneur with that skill/passion?

- are you freelancing through on-line communities?

- are you using any local / social media to promote yourself and your product/services?

- what is it that makes you so great? and why aren't you harnessing that to create a niche for yourself?

 

if iam90s, as a young guy who likely has very little to lose when his first entrepreneurial endeavor fails, why hasn't he started something yet (or has he?).

And my "fails" comment isn't an attack on iam90s, it's just a realistic view of what happens before anyone succeeds.

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your whole argument boils down to keeping your skills and knowledge fresh and relevant and it doesn't stop at "computers"... I'm an 80s kid but my tech and computer skills are fantastic and I make sure I stay ahead of the curve... the college kids who come in and work with me today learn a whole lot more from me than they did on their own or in a classroom.

And let me touch on that again, I have learned more from my managers/bosses than I ever learned in any school, but I have had amazing people to work under, that isn't the case for everyone. You get it, 90% of the people are like hoytdwow, tanatastic,etc... wants to blame an entire generation. I know every generation complains about the one they are succeeded by, but generation x has taken it to an all time high, which to me speaks volumes about the sense of generation x because they raised most millennials. :doh:

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I stopped reading right there.

universities, government, defense contractors... these organizations are the least likely to tolerate "special snowflakes"... they are entrenched in old way- - the industrial revolution philosophies - - the folks who are there are the most likely to defend the "show up, shut up, do as your told, follow the SOP" playbook. It's what they've done their whole lives and it has, for the most part, worked for them.

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that right there is why jerry fockin' hates you and will take great pleasure in attacking you... his defense of, "B... B.... but he started it" would be valid in this thread.

 

Some of us are doing OK toeing the line of the old way... the old, industrial economy... we got an education, worked hard, followed the rules and did as we were told, and now have a position in management or are at/above the top 3rd of a company. Like nobody said, "now all those young guys are managers and know how productive people should be".

 

And as much as jerry's "special snowflake" comment is hilarious (I laughed), it's interesting that those who succeeded (and still defend) the old way are enraged by "special snowflake" syndrome. Listen, I'm not defending anyone being a self-centered, ignorant, silver-spoon momma's boy - so let's not debate that - but I am suggesting that "special snowflake" is what everyone is looking for in a product or service today.

You wanna' be a "special snowflake" and sell your "special snowflake" product or service? It's gonna' take some knowledge, expertise, and hard work.... but selling "special snowflakes" as a micro-entrepreneur is where it's at today and where it's going in the future.

The Millenials have the unique spot where they are in between... in between the industrial revolution's end and the connection economy's beginning.

20 years ago, if your kid told you she wanted to teach ethnic hungarian dance... as a profession... as a career... you'd have lost your mind. Today, there may be a market for it... there may be a niche for it... and that same kid may make a better life and wage for herself being that "special snowflake".

So, it's a fine line between letting kids be dreaming, no-substance, no-accountability idiots and letting them actually pursue their passion/talent without the fear that they'll never get a "real" job.

Yeah I know, sometimes I just can't resist ribbing him

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And let me touch on that again, I have learned more from my managers/bosses than I ever learned in any school, but I have had amazing people to work under, that isn't the cause for everyone. You get it, 90% of the people are like hoytdwow, tanatastic,etc... wants to blame an entire generation. I know every generation complains about the one they are succeeded by, but generation x has taken it to an all time high, which to me speaks volumes about the sense of generation x because they raised most millennials. :doh:

it's because I'm not "threatened"... I don't withhold info from the youngsters coming in... I'm confident with my own skills and abilities and If I'm "replaced", I believe that I am quite marketable somewhere else... in fact, I often wonder if it would be the kick-in-the-ass that I needed to make a change for the better?

 

And, I know that building a professional network is key... most of these college kids go on to other companies and over the years, many have climbed the ladder. I occasionally get calls from them about employment opportunities or projects that need some consulting.

 

But I've worked at DoD companies before... and it was nothing like that. Everyone was in silos - very protective of their job, work, knowledge, etc.

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And let me touch on that again, I have learned more from my managers/bosses than I ever learned in any school, but I have had amazing people to work under, that isn't the cause for everyone. You get it, 90% of the people are like hoytdwow, tanatastic,etc... wants to blame an entire generation. I know every generation complains about the one they are succeeded by, but generation x has taken it to an all time high, which to me speaks volumes about the sense of generation x because they raised most millennials. :doh:

Your last sentence is absolutely correct! My generation created the problems with millennials. The boomer parents were too busy working and didn't believe in touchy feely relationships with their children. The genXers went way too damn far with the "I will not treat my kid like that. I will nurture and love them and be their friend."

 

The baby boomer gen x conflict was very similar.

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my question(s) for iam90s would be:

1. what is your unique skill set? what is your passion?

2. how have you started to move towards being a micro-entrepreneur with that skill/passion?

- are you freelancing through on-line communities?

- are you using any local / social media to promote yourself and your product/services?

- what is it that makes you so great? and why aren't you harnessing that to create a niche for yourself?

 

if iam90s, as a young guy who likely has very little to lose when his first entrepreneurial endeavor fails, why hasn't he started something yet (or has he?).

And my "fails" comment isn't an attack on iam90s, it's just a realistic view of what happens before anyone succeeds.

 

I'm a content marketing specialist/basically anything you want done with a computer. I work for a company in Orlando, that is my main work. On the side I market for a few small companies in the Central Florida area. I do a little freelance website building from time-to-time, not so much anymore with companies like Weebly and Wix. I think what makes me great is my creativeness, cliche answer, but its the truth.

 

I'm also thinking about going back to UCF to get an electrical engineering degree because I want to be apart of the electric car movement.

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I think a lot Generation Xers's just have built up animosity towards Millennials because deep down your angry because you just BARLEY missed growing up with computers. You went threw all of HS, and all of college and then all of a sudden computers took over. Not to long after that computers were in every business in the country. Then these kids start graduating that have grown up with computers and know them like second nature and they are better at your job then you. Fock seniority. Seniority is an excuse for older people to be lazy. Its bitterness. It makes you angry while your pecking away at your keyboard one key at a time, theres a 22 year old kid sitting next to you thats already started working on what you normally start at the end of the day.

 

X = Under-qualified/Overpaid

Millennials = Over-qualified/Underpaid

 

This post proves the point this thread is making.

 

Who do you think developed the computers you are so skilled at using?

 

Who taught you how to use the computers you are so skilled at using?

 

Right the Xers

 

My parents are baby boomers and they are cutting edge when it comes to computers, they explain it this way. " We had to do all these things my hand and many things we can do today we couldn't do at all. Computers make everything a piece of cake"

 

It is my experience that Millennialist know how to push a button but don't under the concept of what is happening. You understand nothing about processes and procedures and if your computer dies you are helpless.

 

FYI: My father is 67 and he took computer classes in College so you are way off base.

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I'm a content marketing specialist/basically anything you want done with a computer. I work for a company in Orlando, that is my main work. On the side I market for a few small companies in the Central Florida area. I do a little freelance website building from time-to-time, not so much anymore with companies like Weebly and Wix. I think what makes me great is my creativeness, cliche answer, but its the truth.

:cheers:

that's right in my wheelhouse.

so you know that more small businesses than ever are freaking out over SEO... what is it, how do I do it... and most often, "why don't I come up on the google map when people search for "X" product or service". Every restaurant, service station, hair salon, attorney, realtor, etc. has finally realized that this stuff is important.

Should I use Facebook? Is video that expensive? Why do I need a blog? What is "list building and nurturing"?, etc, etc, etc.

 

It's a fertile market out there for a guy like you. Glad to see you're free lancing and consulting.

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that's right in my wheelhouse.

so you know that more small businesses than ever are freaking out over SEO... what is it, how do I do it... and most often, "why don't I come up on the google map when people search for "X" product or service". Every restaurant, service station, hair salon, attorney, realtor, etc. has finally realized that this stuff is important.

Should I use Facebook? Is video that expensive? Why do I need a blog? What is "list building and nurturing"?, etc, etc, etc.

 

It's a fertile market out there for a guy like you. Glad to see you're free lancing and consulting.

 

Its an easy sale, I go in throw around a few big words they don't understand and we usually have a deal shortly after. Its also fun to me to market small business because I can literally see the impact I am having. Plus I hate huge corporations and would refuse to do any work for one.

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This post proves the point this thread is making.

 

Who do you think developed the computers you are so skilled at using?

 

Who taught you how to use the computers you are so skilled at using?

 

Right the Xers

 

My parents are baby boomers and they are cutting edge when it comes to computers, they explain it this way. " We had to do all these things my hand and many things we can do today we couldn't do at all. Computers make everything a piece of cake"

 

It is my experience that Millennialist know how to push a button but don't under the concept of what is happening. You understand nothing about processes and procedures and if your computer dies you are helpless.

 

FYI: My father is 67 and he took computer classes in College so you are way off base.

 

Dumb argument, Ill save you the embarrassment.

 

Big difference between 70s-80s computer science and todays. Where did he work NASA?

 

PS I also know hardware.

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