Who are your "Players to Take" from your "Teams not to Draft from"?

[LunaTick 30]

Looking to change my mindset of "avoiding players from teams x, y and z". This comes off a post about not taking any Bills players this year in another post

 

Question:

Who are the diamonds in the rough of those "teams not to draft from 2016"

 

Preface:

Big difference between how I have drafted and another team in my league drafts comes down to this.

Problem with my "Don't draft from that crap team", is that you reduce the pool of talent for yourself. While increasing the talent for them. Worst yet, if they are astute in drafting. They can take the next to best player available now and get the BPA later due to this tag being placed upon them

 

I don't wish to give that ground and position any longer.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

I look for touches. Touches will equal production. It won't equal the same level of production, which is where talent and team come in to play but it's still production. I'll draft your grandma at RB from the 2008 lions if she's going to get 250 touches.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,253]

I may not end up wanting anyone from Miami in non ppr leagues. I don't see much value from that team at all. So I guess Landry maybe?

 

I will take Watkins if his draft price keeps falling. Too much upside not to eventually take him, but screw dealing with foot injuries on key players. I don't know if I want any other Bills, more for asking price.

 

It's hard to say because the league is so geared toward scoring that there is usually at least one player on a team who has value.

[phillygrrl08 139]

Isaiah Crowell/Duke Johnson could intrigue me. Have to wait and see what is coming out of the CLE training camp first and the status of Josh Gordon.

[Maulers1973 117]

Is this an FFL oxymoron. If the player is on a team that is on my "Do not draft from this team" list. Then, why would I target someone from them. Only teams on that list for me offensively is Cleveland, Miami and San Fran. I'm struggling to find the relevancy of such a question.

[Kent 228]

I may not end up wanting anyone from Miami in non ppr leagues. I don't see much value from that team at all. So I guess Landry maybe?

 

I will take Watkins if his draft price keeps falling. Too much upside not to eventually take him, but screw dealing with foot injuries on key players. I don't know if I want any other Bills, more for asking price.

 

It's hard to say because the league is so geared toward scoring that there is usually at least one player on a team who has value.

I like Ajayi a lot.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,253]

I like Ajayi a lot.

Meh. I'm not too thrilled about him.

[giraldi02 474]

I'm surprised to see Miami being listed on this thread. I like several targets from that team, including Kenyan Drake in PPR leagues.

 

Landry and Devante Parker in an Adam Gase offense? Yes please.

[weepaws 3,191]

Having a tough time finding any reason to draft any player at any postion from the Forty Niners .

 

Despite the fact that Kelly's system doesn't seem fantasy football friendly based of his usage of his rb when he was with the Eagles and I don't see a Qb on the Niners I trust to get the ball to any of their WRs or TE's , and add in the fact that they play six games vs the Rams Seahawks And Zona I don't see a trust worthy player to draft from the Forty Niners .

 

But Hyde would be the only player on that team that I would think about drafting .

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Having a tough time finding any reason to draft any player at any postion from the Forty Niners .

 

Despite the fact that Kelly's system doesn't seem fantasy football friendly based of his usage of his rb when he was with the Eagles and I don't see a Qb on the Niners I trust to get the ball to any of their WRs or TE's , and add in the fact that they play six games vs the Rams Seahawks And Zona I don't see a trust worthy player to draft from the Forty Niners .

 

But Hyde would be the only player on that team that I would think about drafting .

Hyde, Vance or Torrey if the price is right

 

Edit: Ellington too. He's prob free

[ralphster 274]

Duke Johnson, Ajayi, Hyde for rbs.

[LunaTick 30]

Is this an FFL oxymoron. If the player is on a team that is on my "Do not draft from this team" list. Then, why would I target someone from them. Only teams on that list for me offensively is Cleveland, Miami and San Fran. I'm struggling to find the relevancy of such a question.

 

Lets look at this situationally

 

Say you are in a redraft league. name your scoring system. But you are the 2nd or 3rd pick

This means in the second round you have a pick, with 1 or 2 other teams picking before your third round pick.

 

What do you do?

 

A->-BPA

B->-ADP

C->-Best value

D->-"Do not draft from this team list".

E->- Strategically slip one past the goalie.

 

Go D, shorten your list of options

Go E, hope the BPA being on a bad team, will be there in round 3

 

The thing here is there are all kinds of NFL players in the league, playing on all manners of teams.

Projections posted on sites like FFToday and others may ultimately prove to be correct. But these projections do not tell you how they get there.

 

EG Patriots WR's are notorious for being an inconsistent week to week. Gronk is the only #1 receiving option on that team that is a lock must start. Patriots are also notorious for featuring a RB that best matches strength to weakness. Another inconsistent play.

 

Yet, even on these "do not draft from teams" should have someone that is going to the the touches, as FLgatorguy 87, pointed out.

 

Do you give another team in the league position out of your anticipation of a "do not".

Projections and anticipations are nothing but paper tigers in the grand scheme of things.

 

I mean, before week1, how many thought Chargers would finish below the Raiders? That the Colts would be a .500 team. How about the Cowboys being last in the NFC or the Vikings being the division winners. The case of Davante Adams, or rather against him last season.

 

SF, how about Carlos Hyde?

[giraldi02 474]

From sheer volume alone the 49ers are going to have to be fantasy relevant...at least from a DFS perspective.

[oldtimer 84]

Is this an FFL oxymoron. If the player is on a team that is on my "Do not draft from this team" list. Then, why would I target someone from them. Only teams on that list for me offensively is Cleveland, Miami and San Fran. I'm struggling to find the relevancy of such a question.

Cleveland - I'll take Duke Johnson in PPR all day long. I see him being used early and often, especially in the passing game. After the preseason, we will know who their top WR is too. I'll be happy to draft that guy simply for the garbage time yards. He wouldn't be more than a bye week flier, but garbage time points are still points.

 

Miami - In PPR, I'll draft both Landry and Parker. Parker is an ascending stud. No reason in the world to not grab that guy. Landry & Parker could be a studly WR duo. What's not to like? Gase will put them in position to be successful. I'm not entirely sold on the RB yet, but if he looks good in the preseason, I'll draft him as well. The only thing he cannot do at this point is pass block. Good vision and power, sneaky ability to hit the hole and he's a smart runner. People forget he was considered by most to be the 2nd best RB in his class. Who cares if his knee doesn't hold up 3 years from now? I would draft him for THIS season. Don't forget Gase loves to utilize the TE as well, especially near the Red Zone.

 

49'ers - I'm almost in agreement here. The division they play in, the lack of a true stud QB, horrible offensive line and Kelly's offense does not bode well for their fantasy relevance. Hyde is intriguing, but he's also injury prone. Smith is another option I'll keep an eye on, but he's not a great route runner and Kelly doesn't seem to enjoy heaving the ball down the field. So.... When they play the Cardinals, Rams and Seattle defenses 6 times, I don't know that I would be starting any of the 49'ers players. You may be better off going with a no-name from the waiver wire.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,253]

What's not to like in Miami? Tannehill sucks. Very mediocre with very poor arm strength. I could see a Cousins and Bortles fall from Grace kind of like Tannehill had last year.

[Djgb13 2,339]

What's not to like in Miami? Tannehill sucks. Very mediocre with very poor arm strength. I could see a Cousins and Bortles fall from Grace kind of like Tannehill had last year.

Isn't it supposed to be Tannehills year this year? Hell I've heard that line for the past 3 years that Tannehill is stepping up and going to be a great QB to give the Pats a run for their money

[Ray_T 753]

Isn't it supposed to be Tannehills year this year? Hell I've heard that line for the past 3 years that Tannehill is stepping up and going to be a great QB to give the Pats a run for their money

agreed.

 

I guess at least they have a coach in there who should take him to the next level.

 

that is.... assuming he has what it takes to get there.

 

I've had him in my dynasty league team since his draft year. He's been okay, but I had hoped for more from him.

[Flgatorguy87 160]

Anybody ever compared Tanny and Lucks numbers?

[giraldi02 474]

What's not to like in Miami? Tannehill sucks. Very mediocre with very poor arm strength. I could see a Cousins and Bortles fall from Grace kind of like Tannehill had last year.

 

That still didn't stop Jarvis Landry from having the 4th most catches in the NFL last season.

 

Expectations were that prior to last season he was going to take another step in his development after each notable passing statistic had improved his three prior seasons. Perhaps the expectations were just a bit overreaching though?

 

Now he gets Adam Gase, who even had Jay Cutler throwing the ball at a 64.4% clip. Cutler's yards per passing attempt was tied for the highest of his career. Cutler threw for the fourth most yards in a season in his career, and Alshon only played half the season.

 

I'm not advocating for Tannehill here in a fantasy sense outside of best-ball. But the two main guys he's throwing to, Parker and Landry, are going to be fantasy studs in a pass happy offense, regardless of scoring format.

 

Anybody ever compared Tanny and Lucks numbers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&hint=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id1_select=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id1=TannRy00&hint=Andrew+Luck&player_id2_select=Andrew+Luck&player_id2=LuckAn00

[weepaws 3,191]

Will I think Parker is going to be a very good ppr pick up this season .

 

I like the Dolphins players Parker Landry and Ajayi all worth a pick up .

[oldtimer 84]

I disagree with anyone saying Tannehill "sucks". He had a horrible offensive coach, terrible line (somewhat due to injuries), and a bad defense that forced them to pass more than they wanted. Was he great? Absolutely not. Was he in a good situation to be successful? Nope. I'm not a Miami fan, but I do believe coaches make a huge difference. Gase has proven, many times, he can get the most out of any QB. What he did with Cutler last season was amazing. In no way, shape or form is Cutler a better QB than Tannehill. With the weapons Tannehill will have, and the MUCH better coaching staff, I think this is going to be the season people thought he would have last year. People who went all in on him last season were reading nfl.com too much, no offense to anyone. lol He had a crap coach and coaching staff. Not many QB's can overcome that.

[weepaws 3,191]

I disagree with anyone saying Tannehill "sucks". He had a horrible offensive coach, terrible line (somewhat due to injuries), and a bad defense that forced them to pass more than they wanted. Was he great? Absolutely not. Was he in a good situation to be successful? Nope. I'm not a Miami fan, but I do believe coaches make a huge difference. Gase has proven, many times, he can get the most out of any QB. What he did with Cutler last season was amazing. In no way, shape or form is Cutler a better QB than Tannehill. With the weapons Tannehill will have, and the MUCH better coaching staff, I think this is going to be the season people thought he would have last year. People who went all in on him last season were reading nfl.com too much, no offense to anyone. lol He had a crap coach and coaching staff. Not many QB's can overcome that.

 

I can't disagree with what you have to said .

[Frozenbeernuts 2,253]

 

That still didn't stop Jarvis Landry from having the 4th most catches in the NFL last season.

 

Expectations were that prior to last season he was going to take another step in his development after each notable passing statistic had improved his three prior seasons. Perhaps the expectations were just a bit overreaching though?

 

Now he gets Adam Gase, who even had Jay Cutler throwing the ball at a 64.4% clip. Cutler's yards per passing attempt was tied for the highest of his career. Cutler threw for the fourth most yards in a season in his career, and Alshon only played half the season.

 

I'm not advocating for Tannehill here in a fantasy sense outside of best-ball. But the two main guys he's throwing to, Parker and Landry, are going to be fantasy studs in a pass happy offense, regardless of scoring format.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&hint=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id1_select=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id1=TannRy00&hint=Andrew+Luck&player_id2_select=Andrew+Luck&player_id2=LuckAn00

I know. I said non ppr is where I don't like the Miami players much. Ppr yes I want Landry. Landry only averaged 10.5 YPC last year. That will probably go up a little, but we also have to expect Parker not to take away too much to maintain those 110 catches. If there was a better qb throwing to them I would be more excited. Tannehill making both relevant? I'm skeptical.

[petekrum 20]

Duke Johnson and Corey Coleman will both give nice returns.

[Matt Mueller 146]

I know. I said non ppr is where I don't like the Miami players much. Ppr yes I want Landry. Landry only averaged 10.5 YPC last year. That will probably go up a little, but we also have to expect Parker not to take away too much to maintain those 110 catches. If there was a better qb throwing to them I would be more excited. Tannehill making both relevant? I'm skeptical.

 

Parker was relevant down the stretch last year and that was with Lamar and the under rated Rishard Matthews in town.

 

I think there's more than enough room for both.

[Matt Mueller 146]

I certainly understand skewing the Dolphins as more PPR guys as they didn't see the redzone a ton last year but I'm surprised by the general pessimism.

 

They went from 181 redzone chances, the most in the league, in 2014 to 116 chances in 2015. I think there's a chance for a huge bounce back with Gase in town.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,253]

 

Parker was relevant down the stretch last year and that was with Lamar and the under rated Rishard Matthews in town.

 

I think there's more than enough room for both.

Matthews didn't play the latter part of last year at all.

[Matt Mueller 146]

^ Good call. Looks like he was out week 12 on when most of Parkers production came.

[smash-a-mus 6]

Teams not to draft from:

 

I quick glance at the playoff schedule 14,15,16. Two teams jump at me.

 

TEN: DEN, @KC, @JAX
MIA: ARI, @NYJ, @BUF

 

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sh*t i should start reading the thead titles more carefully. I'll leave this up, just cuz it is still relevant to your miami players discussion.

[worm 36]

TEN: DEN, @KC, @JAX

Not to mention they have a bye week 13, which might affect some leagues.

[-Vyse- 65]

I don't discriminate against teams. Every team usually has at least one or two good players on them for fantasy.