Does this guy event want to be president?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

excellent post wiffle.

you nailed it.

 

it's been the same issue from the beginning... any guy who has to proclaim, "I'm going to be VERY presidential" while running for president - just isn't the right person for the job.

 

Trump has been good for the process. He's kicked the bees nest in a way that only he can AND in some ways it needed to be done. But he's not the answer, he's not a statesman - he's not a man of "service" - he's a born-into-wealth, business tycoon that's been able to do and say whatever he wants his whole life without repercussions.

How has he been good for the process? I'm searching for a silver lining but I'm not seeing one.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

How has he been good for the process? I'm searching for a silver lining but I'm not seeing one.

The republicans are shifting, at least on the surface, to a more populist party. They are going after working class people with more than guns and religion, actually addressing things like trade. Hey, it's something.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

How has he been good for the process? I'm searching for a silver lining but I'm not seeing one.

It's good because someone has kicked back against the party leaders and the establishment. In general, it's always a good thing when the voice of the people is heard. The problem is, the people were so set on saying 'F-U' to the establishment that they stopped caring about things like ethics and morals and grace and kindness. The theory is a good one. But it also matters who you have representing your movement. Most of the true gung-ho Trump nuts on my Facebook are trailer parkish types that would support Hitler if he said that white males will rule everyone else. But I do have a few friends who are actually intelligent, nice people who are supporting Trump. It absolutely blows my mind. If a guy like Trump was running his mouth at a local park, those very friends would be yelling and trying to drown out his bigotry and hate. But because they are so anti-Democrat, they stand behind this ass hole. And that's definitely not a good thing for our process.

[MDC 7,489]

The republicans are shifting, at least on the surface, to a more populist party. They are going after working class people with more than guns and religion, actually addressing things like trade. Hey, it's something.

I don't think you're wrong but whatever good Trump has done on that front is offset IMO by the bigotry, jingoism and general stupidity of his campaign.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Question...

 

How is a racist, misogynist, gloom and doom blowhard, who seems to know noting about global economics, foreign policy, etc. better then a shrilly beyatch who knows a ton about all of that?

Because of the letter that is next to their name.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

I don't think you're wrong but whatever good Trump has done on that front is offset IMO by the bigotry, jingoism and general stupidity of his campaign.

His lack of knowledge about the world and how it works is frightening. The guy who tells us how safe we're all going to be and how he wants to break away from NATO doesn't even know that Russia has already invaded the Ukraine! Most seventh graders know that!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

I don't think you're wrong but whatever good Trump has done on that front is offset IMO by the bigotry, jingoism and general stupidity of his campaign.

Yeah, but the party is actually shifting. Nobody talked about trade like Trump has, except Bernie. Hillary was (is) for the trade deals, until she heard from the unions and the Berners.

[MDC 7,489]

Yeah, but the party is actually shifting. Nobody talked about trade like Trump has, except Bernie. Hillary was (is) for the trade deals, until she heard from the unions and the Berners.

I don't give Trump credit for bringing up trade if he addresses it in the dumbest way imaginable and if he himself weren't personally responsible for outsourcing the jobs he claims to want to bring back.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Trump talks about trade...then has proposals that get destroyed by most economists who actually understand the issues. All while he makes his crap products all over the place.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

Economists. Ha! All preaching the same crap that got us where we are. Now I see how these clowns on TV make a living talking about Fantasy. Matthew Berry- expert.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

Economists. Ha! All preaching the same crap that got us where we are. Now I see how these clowns on TV make a living talking about Fantasy. Matthew Berry- expert.

Yeah, I'd much rather take the economic advise of Donald 'Six-Bankruptcies, Hidden-Tax-Returns' Trump.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

Yeah, I'd much rather take the economic advise of Donald 'Six-Bankruptcies, Hidden-Tax-Returns' Trump.

Wouldn't be worse than Milton Freidman and Alan Greenspan. Couldn't be.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

Wouldn't be worse than Milton Freidman and Alan Greenspan. Couldn't be.

Thankfully, we'll never have to find out. But it most certainly could be worse. Trump is a disaster.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Thankfully, we'll never have to find out. But it most certainly could be worse. Trump is a disaster.

Sums up entire thing. (sfw) https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRxjQXtmOyU8rcI/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Yeah, but the party is actually shifting. Nobody talked about trade like Trump has, except Bernie. Hillary was (is) for the trade deals, until she heard from the unions and the Berners.

I honestly don't get the anti free trade thing. Was one of my biggest bones to pick with Bernie, actually.

 

The years of tariffs, economic isolationism, etc. are over. The question is are you in the driver's seat with things like the TPP or do you let someone else take the wheel? I think letting China or Russia take front seat on trade is a terrible idea.

[hoytdwow 202]

Trump is 100% hypocrite on trade and offshore jobs. All of the stuff his shite companies make is made overseas.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

I honestly don't get the anti free trade thing. Was one of my biggest bones to pick with Bernie, actually.

 

The years of tariffs, economic isolationism, etc. are over. The question is are you in the driver's seat with things like the TPP or do you let someone else take the wheel? I think letting China or Russia take front seat on trade is a terrible idea.

What it boils down to are two things: Capital will just seek out lower costs(wages) and we cant compete there. Race to the bottom. The other big problem is that disputes between multi-nationals will be decided by an independent tribunal. They won't be accountable to sovereign governments. No regulation, and no legal recourse within the governments in the trade agreements. BP spills oil? Can't sue in the U.S., has to go to the body that is put in place.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Trump is 100% hypocrite on trade and offshore jobs. All of the stuff his shite companies make is made overseas.

There's that too

[IGotWorms 4,058]

What it boils down to are two things: Capital will just seek out lower costs(wages) and we cant compete there. Race to the bottom. The other big problem is that disputes between multi-nationals will be decided by an independent tribunal. They won't be accountable to sovereign governments. No regulation, and no legal recourse within the governments in the trade agreements. BP spills oil? Can't sue in the U.S., has to go to the body that is put in place.

See I don't think the problem is free trade I think it's a question of how its implemented. A rising tide lifts all boats. Why can't that be the result instead of a race to the bottom?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

Trump is 100% hypocrite on trade and offshore jobs. All of the stuff his shite companies make is made overseas.

Well, that is all crap, like you say. Those aren't the jobs we need to keep and get back. Nobody is going to make a decent living on that junk. But yes, he is not the best to be carrying the message, but at least it's out there.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

See I don't think the problem is free trade I think it's a question of how its implemented. A rising tide lifts all boats. Why can't that be the result instead of a race to the bottom?

Well, you're preaching supply side, tickle down then. Hasn't worked. You're right though, this is all about China and Russia, but these trade deals are just way too lopsided in favor of multi nationals. If you ask me, I think Russia amd China's methods are not sustainable. China will have a cultural shift at some point, you can't keep that many people down forever. And Russia is all about oil, something that should have decreasing importance as time goes on. I don't think we have to give everything away today. And also, these will not just be manufacturing jobs going out the window. Technology makes labor markets elsewhere much more viable, and the multis know this. Teach your kids another language, a useful one. I will.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Welp, Trump speaks in about an hour and a half in Maine today. Let's see if he can go one news cycle without tripping on his diick,

[wiffleball 4,790]

That didn't take long.

 

Trump claimed he saw TOP SECRET VIDEO of the cash for Iran being taken off the plane, He'll never forget the scene!

 

 

His aides had to yet again 'clarify':He actually saw public video of the hostages deplaning in Sweden.

 

 

stupid, or pathological liar?

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

That didn't take long.

 

Trump claimed he saw TOP SECRET VIDEO of the cash for Iran being taken off the plane, He'll never forget the scene!

 

 

His aides had to yet again 'clarify':He actually saw public video of the hostages deplaning in Sweden.

 

 

stupid, or pathological liar?

He's spent his entire life bullshitting contractors and business developers without ever being fact checked. He's having a hard time making the transition. His first instinct is to lie and hope people believe him. Like in the good old days.

[hoytdwow 202]

He's spent his entire life bullshitting contractors and business developers without ever being fact checked. He's having a hard time making the transition. His first instinct is to lie and hope people believe him. Like in the good old days.

He also said Hitlery was the one who started negotiations with Iran for the $400 million payout, which is completely false. But his protruding-forehead supporters don't care that nearly 2/3 of his fact-checked claims are already false. What's one more?

[MDC 7,489]

Well, that is all crap, like you say. Those aren't the jobs we need to keep and get back. Nobody is going to make a decent living on that junk. But yes, he is not the best to be carrying the message, but at least it's out there.

Construction on his properties isn't a job people want? Manufacturing his clothes isn't a job people want?

[cyclone24 1,914]

Haven't checked on this thread in a while. The best way I can sum up this thread visually is essentially the same five liberals all standing in a circle. Each one is taking their right hand and jerking off the person to the right of them and then with their left hand is patting the one on the left saying "effing Trump huh?"

 

Just over and over again.

 

Sinners.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Haven't checked on this thread in a while. The best way I can sum up this thread visually is essentially the same five liberals all standing in a circle. Each one is taking their right hand and jerking off the person to the right of them and then with their left hand is patting the one on the left saying "effing Trump huh?"

 

Just over and over again.

 

Sinners.

And you're the dude in the middle taking face shot after face shot.

[cyclone24 1,914]

And you're the dude in the middle taking face shot after face shot.

Uhh..sure... I only came in to make fun of you because it's essentially the same five of you just stroking each other about Trump. I'd hardly call that being in the middle of it brother.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Uhh..sure... I only came in to make fun of you because it's essentially the same five of you just stroking each other about Trump. I'd hardly call that being in the middle of it brother.

Oops, sorry, didn't mean to get it in your eye.

 

 

No I'm lying, I totally did mean to

[cyclone24 1,914]

Oops, sorry, didn't mean to get it in your eye.

 

 

No I'm lying, I totally did mean to

I have zero doubts you know what it's like to blow it on a dude. No question

 

Interesting angle for an insult.

[MDC 7,489]

I have zero doubts you know what it's like to blow it on a dude. No question

 

Interesting angle for an insult.

Imagining a circle jerk is totally normal tho.

[kutulu 1,680]

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=stats&do=who&t=455932

[cyclone24 1,914]

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=stats&do=who&t=455932

Says the guy with 51 THOUSAND posts...JFC.

[kutulu 1,680]

Says the guy with 51 THOUSAND posts...JFC.

most of them don't count

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cyclone24 1,914]

most of them don't count

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dammit.....good point. Solid argument...i relent.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Imagining a circle jerk is totally normal tho.

[cyclone24 1,914]

 

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Trophy reply...well..we know who youre standing next to.

[parrot 789]

Imagining a circle jerk is totally normal tho.

 

I feel like that was a second draft and the first probably contained words like "veiny" and "engorged".

[MDC 7,489]

 

I feel like that was a second draft and the first probably contained words like "veiny" and "engorged".

:throbbing member: