No Muslim Refugee has ever committed an act of terror in the U.S.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Don't worry Petunia: You can go shopping at Talbots and stop by Cold Stone on the way home without fear of a missile hitting your fat ass.

Says the guy from east cupcake Long Island. Who's terrified of the Knights of Columbus

[NewbieJr 541]

Don't worry Petunia: You can go shopping at Talbots and stop by Cold Stone on the way home without fear of a missile hitting your fat ass.

I don't know about that. The judges are being meanies and don't care about safety. Hardcore may get decapitated coming out of Lane Bryant

[crackattack 520]

This whole election and shift in policy is absolutely fascinating. Seeing the hypocrisy from democrats now. Using the "it's unconstitutional" arguments, all the while trampling the constitution the previous 8 years.

 

1. ACA was undeniably unconstitutional. Forcing Americans to buy a product or face fines. Completely un-American and a huge overreach by our government. No violence, no protests.

 

2. Guns. Well, we all know what the left wants to do with that. National registry, ban assault weapons, magazine restrictions, bullet restrictions, mental health screenings and so on and so on. No violence, no protests.

 

3. Killing Americans abroad without due process. Silence from the left. That's a impeachment style offense. No violence, no protests.

 

4. Violating the 4th ammendment by continuing the NSA and homeland security spying on American citizens. No violence, no protests.

 

5. Illegal war in Libya violated the war powers act, yet we have no protests, no violence and nobody in the main stream media calling Obama a war criminal.

 

Let's look at some of the other hypocritical outrage from the left. Remember when Obama chastised and scolded the Supreme Court members on live tv in 2010 during the state of the Union address, yet Trump is the anti-christ for voicing his opinion, or questioning the judiciary. No outrage, no violence, no protests.

 

People complaining trump is pissing off our allies, but let's not forget Obama got caught spying on our allies. I'm pretty sure that pissed off some allies, yet no protests, no violence.

 

I'm all for people using the constitution as their base of an argument, but stand by the entire constitution. You want to claim ID's required to vote is unconstitutional, great! Then say putting further restrictions on guns ownership is also unconstitutional. You want people to respect federal law on things like gay marriage and abortion, yet ignore federal law on Marijuana, illegal immigrants, sanctuary cities.

 

It's truly amazing how hard the left will fight for non-American, non-citizens and foreigners, but yet shitt on American citizens protected constitutional rights. You can't have it both ways or you're a hypocrite. Obviously the same can be said for some on the right also. We have a process, but we are allowing those processes to be abused. The Senate and house are failing to make laws and putting things in the hands of a politicized Supreme Court. We have a process to change the constitution, yet we allow a politicized Supreme Court to make law. Yet the American people bicker and fight about bathrooms all while the government takes takes takes a little more of our personal freedoms and violates the constitution.

 

Sorry so long. Rant over.

[MDC 7,887]

Says the guy from east cupcake Long Island. Who's terrified of the Knights of Columbus

I bet the Knights of Columbus have killed more people than refugees. Or at least they potentially could.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

It's truly amazing how hard the left will fight for non-American, non-citizens and foreigners, but yet shitt on American citizens protected constitutional rights. You can't have it both ways or you're a hypocrite. Obviously the same can be said for some on the right also. We have a process, but we are allowing those processes to be abused. The Senate and house are failing to make laws and putting things in the hands of a politicized Supreme Court. We have a process to change the constitution, yet we allow a politicized Supreme Court to make law. Yet the American people bicker and fight about bathrooms all while the government takes takes takes a little more of our personal freedoms and violates the constitution.

 

Sorry so long. Rant over.

Problem is, Trump's ban also included American citizens returning from trips. If Trump would simply take his terrible ban off the table and take some time (and advice from people much smarter about the constitution and laws) and create a totally separate EO, he'd have a great chance of getting it passed. The problem is, Trump's little boy-ego won't allow him to admit he focked up.

[crackattack 520]

Problem is, Trump's ban also included American citizens returning from trips. If Trump would simply take his terrible ban off the table and take some time (and advice from people much smarter about the constitution and laws) and create a totally separate EO, he'd have a great chance of getting it passed. The problem is, Trump's little boy-ego won't allow him to admit he focked up.

I agree with this. I'm pretty sure they did fix that part, but it's hard to keep up, and moot now.

[Sho Nuff 720]

8 out of 10 decisions by the 9th get overturned.

Expect the same.

Perhaps Trump's boys should have made a better argument.

I hope it goes to the SC after Gorsuch is confirmed. Would be funny if he was the deciding vote against Trump (given his history on Executive Authority).

[Sho Nuff 720]

why are you in favor of waiting for American bloodshed before doing anything about it ?

 

This immigration ban didn't do anything about that. It wasn't about safety...we have already seen that.

Im for strengthening vetting process...Im for making it more difficult for killers to get weapons to do major damage...Im for strengthening ties with allies even if they happen to be muslim...Im for Freedom of Religion (even Islam). Im for many things that keep us safer than this immigration ban ever would.

 

Why are you so against such things?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Brilliant logic we should wait before there's actual deaths before we do anything about these countries that both sides have identified as terrorist states that are doing a terrible job of vetting people. Truly brilliant.

I'm not sure taking a case specifically to 1 court and probably the only Court they would actually win and is b**** slapping. It's just delaying the inevitable. It's a court that has there cases overturned 80% of the time and one of the judges actually yelled blacklivesmatter in a court proceeding. But tell me how they are not activist judges again.

 

It was in court in Minnesota too...and there are many cases that have been brought about by this immigration ban.

And the unanimous decision and the opinion filed was a slapping.

As for Judge yelling black lives matter? You should read what the case was about before just spouting what you read somewhere. I don't agree with everything he did there...but seems many of your are repeating a talking point without really knowing a thing about what was being ruled on. And that the Police there in Seattle were enacting his reforms (until some were leaked to the press and BLM...then they started a bit of push back). And he didn't yell black lives matter...so you can start by knowing that before spouting it.

 

How is he an activist judge? Because you read it somewhere? Id love to see where...

[Sho Nuff 720]

well I hope, if the ruling stands it doesn't turn out to be a told you so moment with the judge and his supporters having American blood on their hands.

But understanding what radical islam truly is and what those evil fockers are capable of, it's likely that will end up being the case.

I don't live in the "Islam is a religion of peace" fairy tale world. I live in the real one.

 

The judge won't have blood on his hands.

You don't understand what radical islam truly is...neither does Trump. You all think saying radical islam makes some difference.

And no...nothing you have ever posted on this board is an indication that you live in the real world at all.

[drobeski 3,061]

Someone's come down from his opiates.

[Sho Nuff 720]

JFC... are you guys really this painfully stupid? Nobody is worried about refugees fleeing for their lives it's who's with those refugees. We've had numerous reports that they are trying to sneak in with refugees. Heck today even the Syrian president said they were. Some of these countries are not even functioning governments much less properly vetting people. That's the concern.

Holy crap is it dumb to just hang on to the refugee angle of this.

 

Ok...lets hang on the legal visa holders part of this. Which other part do you want to focus on that made Trump look stupid.

Their entire argument to the court was basically...Trump is President...he can do this because he says so. Thats why they got bitchslapped by the court.

And part of why they have a chance to get it overturned if they make an actual argument as to why it is needed vs. because we said so....and because Obummer named these countries. That works in convincing the rubes...but not guys in robes who know the focking law.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

(Via CNN) No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, according to an analysis of terrorism immigration risks by the Cato Institute.

 

Oh Really? No Refugees implicated in terrorism? Read on

 

7-nation-visa-ban

 

1 Yemen Anwar al-Awlaki was an American and Yemeni imam and Islamic lecturer. U.S. government officials allege that he was a senior recruiter and motivator who was involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda (link) al-Awlaki spoke with and preached to three of the alleged 9/11 hijackers who were al-Qaeda members. Awlaki presided at the funeral of the mother of Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who later e-mailed him extensively in 200809 before the Fort Hood shootings. Awlaki was the mastermind behind Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who attempted the 2009 Christmas Day (underwear) bombing of an American airliner.

 

 

2 Somalia More than 20 people in Minnesota have faced federal charges related to Al Shabaab, an African terror group, with at least 10 more cases related to ISIS. Defendants have usually been detained while awaiting trial, as prosecutors have argued that they remain flight risks and threats to the community. (link)

 

On November 18, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, Issa Doreh was sentenced to ten years in prison for conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist, conspiracy to provide material support to foreign terrorist organization, conspiracy to launder monetary instruments, and providing material support to foreign terrorist organization. Doreh was admitted to the United States as a refugee from Somalia and subsequently obtained a green card and became a citizen. Doreh worked at a money transmitting business that was at the center of the conspiracy, which also involved Ahmed Nasir Taalil Mohamud.

 

On January 31, 2014, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, Ahmed Nasir Taalil Mohamud was sentenced to six years in prison for conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Mohamud was admitted to the United States as a refugee from Somalia. He worked as a cabdriver in Anaheim, California where he raised money for the terrorist organization Al-Shabaab. According to the Department of Justice, [t]he United States presented evidence that Nasir . . . conspired to provide money to al Shabaab, a violent and brutal militia group that engages in suicide bombings, targets civilians for assassination, and uses improvised explosive devices.

 

On April 20, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota, Abdurahman Yasin Daud was charged (along with six others) with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Daud, a Somalian refugee who came to the United States as a child, and subsequently obtained a green card. Daud and another individual drove from Minnesota to San Diego to attempt to get passports, cross the border into Mexico, and fly to Syria in to join ISIS.

 

On February 5, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas, Abdinassir Mohamud Ibrahim was sentenced to 15 years in federal prison for conspiring to provide material support to Al-Shabaab, a designated foreign terrorist organization, and for making a false statement in his immigration paperwork. Ibrahim is a native of Somalia who came to the United States as a refugee in 2007 at the age of 22 and subsequently obtained a green card. Ibrahim knowingly lied on his citizenship application and previously lied in his request for refugee status, by falsely claiming that he was of a member of the minority Awer clan in Somalia and subject to persecution by the majority Hawiye clan. Ibrahim was actually a member of the Hawiye clan and not subject to persecution. In fact, according to court documents, Ibrahims family was famous . . . [and] [t]hrough his clan lineage, Ibrahim was related to known Somali terrorists[.] Ibrahim also admitted he lied on his citizenship application by having previously lied on his refugee application by falsely claiming that he had not provided material support to a terrorist group, when he had in fact provided material support in the form of cash to an Al-Shabaab member.

 

3 Syria An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment. Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to kill three or four American soldiers execution style, according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didnt work, the charges said. The indictment also says Mohamuds brother, Abdifatah Aden, fought with Jabhat al-Nusrah, a State Department-designated terrorist group, until he was killed in battle in Syria in June 2014. (link)

 

On January 7, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California, Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab was charged with providing materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations to the United States government. He was separately indicted on March 17, 2016 for attempting to provide material support to acts of violence overseas. Al-Jayab a Palestinian born in Iraq was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2012. According to the criminal complaint, beginning in October of 2012 the very same month he first arrived in the United States Al-Jayab began communicating with numerous individuals about his intention to go to Syria and fight for terrorist organizations. In April 2013, Al-Jayab made multiple statements to another individual (later identified as Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan) regarding his experience handling weapons and killing individuals in Syria. In November 2013, just one year after being welcomed to the United States as a refugee, he traveled to Syria and posted on social media that he was fighting with various terrorist organizations, stating America will not isolate me from my Islamic duty. Only death will do us part.

 

On February 5, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Nihad Rosic was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, providing material support to terrorists, and conspiring to kill and maim persons in a foreign country. Rosic is a native of Bosnia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. According to the indictment, Rosic sent funds to terrorists abroad, and attempted to travel to Syria to join terrorists in Syria and Iraq. According to press accounts, Rosic was a truck driver and former mixed martial arts fighter who had previously been charged with endangering the welfare of a child after punching a woman in the face while she held a child, and in a separate incident, was charged with assault after allegedly beating his girlfriend with a belt.

 

4 Sudan Idaho, Twin Falls Police Chief Craig Kingsbury has confirmed that three boys who were allegedly involved in the rape of a five-year-old girl in Twin Falls were of Iraqi and Sudanese descent. (link) Sudan was designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1993 due to concerns about support to international terrorist groups. Elements of al-Qaida-inspired terrorist groups remain in Sudan. groups continued to operate in Sudan in 2014 and there continued to be reports of Sudanese nationals participating in terrorist organizations. In 2014, Sudan continued to allow members of Hamas to travel, fundraise, and live in Sudan. In June 2010, four Sudanese men sentenced to death for the January 1, 2008 killing of two U.S. Embassy staff members escaped from Khartoums maximum security Kober prison. (link)

 

On April 20, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota, Guled Ali Omar was charged with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Omar was born in a Kenyan refugee camp, and sources indicate he came to the United States as a refugee when he was a child, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. Omar is the younger brother of another indicted fugitive, Ahmed Ali Omar, who left the United States in 2007 to fight for Al-Shabaab. Another one of his brothers, Mohamed Ali Omar, was convicted in March of 2015 of threatening federal agents when they came to the familys residence to interview Guled Omar. During a press conference, U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota, Andy Luger, said that Omar never stopped plotting, and had previously attempted to leave the United States.

 

On January 29, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, a federal warrant was unsealed for the arrest of Liban Haji Mohamed for allegedly providing material support to Harakat Shabaab Al-Mujahidin, also known as Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda. Mohamed is a native of Somalia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. He is believed to have left the United States on July 5, 2012, with the intent to join Al-Shabaab in East Africa. Mohamed previously lived in the Washington, D.C. area and worked as a cab driver, and is believed to have snuck across the border to Mexico after being placed on the no-fly list. Carl Ghattas, Special Agent in Charge of the FBIs Washington, D.C. Field Office emphasized the importance of locating Mohamed, because he has knowledge of the Washington, D.C. areas infrastructure such as shopping areas, Metro, airports, and government buildings . . . [t]his makes him an asset to his terrorist associates who might plot attacks on U.S. soil.

 

5 Iraq The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky who later admitted in court that theyd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists fingerprints. (link) An ABC News investigation of the flawed U.S. refugee screening system, which was overhauled two years ago, showed that Alwan was mistakenly allowed into the U.S. and resettled in the leafy southern town of Bowling Green, Kentucky.

 

On February 18, 2015, Al-Hazmah Mohammed Jawad was arrested as he attempted to board a flight to Jordan to join and fight with ISIS in Iraq. Jawad was admitted to the United States in 2013 as an Iraqi refugee and he subsequently obtained a green card. Jawad was charged with making a false statement to U.S. government officials. He also stated that he had been to the shooting range and had been running to get in shape and prepare for his upcoming travels, and that a uniform was waiting for him in Iraq.

 

On January 7, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas, Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan was charged in an indictment with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, making false statements, and attempting to procure citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. The indictment states that he attempted to provide training, expert advice and assistance, and personnel specifically himself to a terrorist organization. Al Hardan a Palestinian born in Iraq was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009, and obtained a green card in 2011. When applying to become a U.S. citizen, he knowingly responded, certified, and swore untruthfully that he was not associated with a terrorist organization when, in fact, he associated with members and sympathizers of ISIS throughout 2014. During an interview in October 2015, Al Hardan falsely represented that he had never received any type of weapons training, when in fact he had received automatic machine gun training. According to media accounts, Al Hardan told his wife I will go to Syria. I want to blow myself up. . . . I am against America.

 

On May 25, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Bilal Abood was sentenced to four years in prison for making a false statement to the FBI. Abood, an Iraqi translator for the U.S. military, was admitted to the United States through the Special Immigrant Visa program for Iraqi translators in 2009, and subsequently became a citizen. Abood enlisted in the Army and went through basic training at Fort Jackson in 2010, but left for unknown reasons. According to court documents, after being prevented from boarding an international flight, Abood told FBI agents that he intended to go to Iraq to visit family. Subsequently, Abood left the United States through Mexico and then traveled through various countries to get to Syria to join ISIS. A subsequent search of his computer revealed that he pledged an oath to the leader of ISIS, despite denying that he had ever made such a pledge.

 

On January 29, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky, Waad Ramadan Alwan was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison, followed by a life term of supervised release for a number of offenses related to terrorism. Alwan is a native of Iraq who was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009. According to the Department of Justices press release, Alwan, whose fingerprints were found on an unexploded IED found in Iraq, pleaded guilty earlier in the case on December 16, 2011, to all counts of a 23-count federal indictment. He pleaded guilty to conspiring to kill U.S. nationals abroad; conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction (explosives) against U.S. nationals abroad; distributing information on the manufacture and use of IEDs; attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to AQI; and conspiring to transfer, possess, and export Stinger missiles. (emphasis added). During the investigation, while unwittingly working with an FBI informant, Alwan drew diagrams of roadside bomb models and boasted about attacks on American troops in Iraq. In a discussion with an FBI informant, Alwan allegedly said that he was skilled with a sniper rifle, and that his lunch and dinner would be an American [soldier].

 

6 Iran FBI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a significant terrorist act in the United States tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today. The officials said the plot included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C. Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were also discussed, according to the U.S. officials. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in an announcement today that the plan was conceived, sponsored and was directed from Iran by a faction of the government and called it a flagrant violation of U.S. and international law. The U.S. is committed to holding Iran accountable for its actions, Holder said. (link)

 

On January 29, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi was sentenced to life in prison for a number of offenses related to terrorism. Hammadi is a native of Iraq who was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009. According to the Department of Justices press release, Hammadi pleaded guilty on August 21, 2012, to a 12-count superseding indictment. Charges against him included attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to AQI; conspiring to transfer, possess, and export Stinger missiles; and making a false statement in an immigration application.

 

7 Libya A U.S. citizen was among nine killed when gunmen stormed a luxury hotel in the Libyan capital of Tripoli on Tuesday, a senior State Department official said. The attack on the Corinthia Hotel, which sits along the Mediterranean Sea, triggered an hours-long standoff that ended when two assailants set off a grenade that killed them, officials said. Four foreigners and five guards were killed in the attack. The State Department official didnt provide additional details. (link) There is no current central government in Libya.

 

♦ President Obama puts six month ban on Iraqi refugees in 2011 and media. crickets.

♦ President Trump puts 120 day suspension on Syrian refugees 2017 media explodes.

 

♦ Obama selects 7 countries for enhanced visa security policy and media crickets.

♦ Trump uses Obama law, same Obama DHS policy, and same 7 countries; for a 90-day visa suspension and media explodes.

 

For those that can't think beyond the talking points of the Democrats, It's not only what acts have been committed but what acts have been prevented.

 

I quoted Drobs and give him props for ferreting out this info.

[Sho Nuff 720]

This whole election and shift in policy is absolutely fascinating. Seeing the hypocrisy from democrats now. Using the "it's unconstitutional" arguments, all the while trampling the constitution the previous 8 years.

 

1. ACA was undeniably unconstitutional. Forcing Americans to buy a product or face fines. Completely un-American and a huge overreach by our government. No violence, no protests.

 

2. Guns. Well, we all know what the left wants to do with that. National registry, ban assault weapons, magazine restrictions, bullet restrictions, mental health screenings and so on and so on. No violence, no protests.

 

3. Killing Americans abroad without due process. Silence from the left. That's a impeachment style offense. No violence, no protests.

 

4. Violating the 4th ammendment by continuing the NSA and homeland security spying on American citizens. No violence, no protests.

 

5. Illegal war in Libya violated the war powers act, yet we have no protests, no violence and nobody in the main stream media calling Obama a war criminal.

 

Let's look at some of the other hypocritical outrage from the left. Remember when Obama chastised and scolded the Supreme Court members on live tv in 2010 during the state of the Union address, yet Trump is the anti-christ for voicing his opinion, or questioning the judiciary. No outrage, no violence, no protests.

 

People complaining trump is pissing off our allies, but let's not forget Obama got caught spying on our allies. I'm pretty sure that pissed off some allies, yet no protests, no violence.

 

I'm all for people using the constitution as their base of an argument, but stand by the entire constitution. You want to claim ID's required to vote is unconstitutional, great! Then say putting further restrictions on guns ownership is also unconstitutional. You want people to respect federal law on things like gay marriage and abortion, yet ignore federal law on Marijuana, illegal immigrants, sanctuary cities.

 

It's truly amazing how hard the left will fight for non-American, non-citizens and foreigners, but yet shitt on American citizens protected constitutional rights. You can't have it both ways or you're a hypocrite. Obviously the same can be said for some on the right also. We have a process, but we are allowing those processes to be abused. The Senate and house are failing to make laws and putting things in the hands of a politicized Supreme Court. We have a process to change the constitution, yet we allow a politicized Supreme Court to make law. Yet the American people bicker and fight about bathrooms all while the government takes takes takes a little more of our personal freedoms and violates the constitution.

 

Sorry so long. Rant over.

 

1. The Supreme Court has ruled on this...if its so unconstitutional...why is it law? Why did it survive appeal after appeal by Republicans. Funny how they tried over and over to overturn and repeal ACA while Obama was in office. Now...majority plus the Oval and they claim they won't do anything for a year. THey will tweak a few things...not fix anything..name it Trump care and act as if they fixed everything. And the rubes will celebrate.

 

2. Guns...we heard for 8 years he was going to take all the guns...we heard then than Hillary would. Guess what..there will be some gun reform when Democrats have any power to do it...they won't take them all away.

 

3. Assassination of one guy...and it was wrong without due process. Many have said as much. And there were protests if you take the time to google such things. And many have spoke out against how much we have used drones. I do prefer it to Boots on the ground...but the amount of collateral damage is still a bit much for me.

 

4. They have lessened that since the previous admin. Trump proposed steps (or maybe it was just Flynn that had wanted steps) to take away some restrictions that were put into place during Obama's term. Also the want of many in the administration to go back to some torture techniques. Thankfully Mattis says hell to the no on that.

 

5. Try facts rather than opinion for that one.

 

What Obama did during the State of the Union was nowhere close to what Trump has done with 2 judges now questioning their legitimacy (Curiel first...now the latest in the 9th circuit)

 

Its amazing how much you whine about hypocrisy to things that are not hypocritical. How much so many of you can't even say a thing about Trump without whining about Obama or Hillary.

The guy has done very little that could be construed as fiscally conservative thought...and even socially not all that conservative. Yet posters proclaim he is doing so much and winning. So focking stupid.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I bet the Knights of Columbus have killed more people than refugees. Or at least they potentially could.

 

They do have those swords.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

For those that can't think beyond the talking points of the Democrats, It's not only what acts have been committed but what acts have been prevented.

 

I quoted Drobs and give him props for ferreting out this info.

 

And thats what we do...prevent such things.

Care to make a list of things that were prevented by people from other countries? Other religions?

Talking points of democrats? The only thing you all spout is talking points of the far right. Focking hilarious.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

And thats what we do...prevent such things.

Care to make a list of things that were prevented by people from other countries? Other religions?

Talking points of democrats? The only thing you all spout is talking points of the far right. Focking hilarious.

 

I didn't get the number of refugee/immigrants you're willing to sponsor last night. How many can we put you down for?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

I didn't get the number of refugee/immigrants you're willing to sponsor last night. How many can we put you down for?

 

Because Im not playing into your BS argument that you tried pulling.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

And thats what we do...prevent such things.

 

 

Exactly!!!!! So you don't think it's easier to prevent things BEFORE you admit allow them access to our country? Should we remove metal detectors from courthouses then charge the bailiffs with monitoring the crowd or just do some screening on the entry point to make things a lot easier?

[Sho Nuff 720]

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=chuck+cooper+solicitor+general

 

Chuck Cooper pulls his name from consideration for Solicitor General.

 

Up next...George Conway...Kellyanne's husband.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Because Im not playing into your BS argument that you tried pulling.

 

Put your money where your mouth is. You want the illegals/immigrants to stay so you should help pay for them.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

I didn't get the number of refugee/immigrants you're willing to sponsor last night. How many can we put you down for?

What is that, 15 times you said the same thing? Everyone laughs at you. Again, does everyone who is pro-life have to adopt a baby? LOL Same as the morons on Facebook who post one day that America shouldn't take in refugees as long as there are homeless veterans. Are they willing to take in those veterans? LOLOL You sound like maybe you're retarded when you say such dumb things.

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1. The Supreme Court has ruled on this...if its so unconstitutional...why is it law? Why did it survive appeal after appeal by Republicans. Funny how they tried over and over to overturn and repeal ACA while Obama was in office. Now...majority plus the Oval and they claim they won't do anything for a year. THey will tweak a few things...not fix anything..name it Trump care and act as if they fixed everything. And the rubes will celebrate.

 

The SCOTUS literally changed the wording in the Obummercare law to make it "pass" constitutional muster. It's one of the most blatant acts of legislating from the bench I can recall. Disgusting.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Exactly!!!!! So you don't think it's easier to prevent things BEFORE you admit allow them access to our country? Should we remove metal detectors from courthouses then charge the bailiffs with monitoring the crowd or just do some screening on the entry point to make things a lot easier?

Those were put after countless episodes. Not as preventive maintenance. hth

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Exactly!!!!! So you don't think it's easier to prevent things BEFORE you admit allow them access to our country? Should we remove metal detectors from courthouses then charge the bailiffs with monitoring the crowd or just do some screening on the entry point to make things a lot easier?

 

Yes...you vet them as much as you can. How many more people do you need to tell you that the immigration ban did nothing to make us safer...and actually made us (and our people across the globe) less safe?

 

Yet another stupid argument with the metal detectors...where did you read that stupid talking point now?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Those were put after countless episodes. Not as preventive maintenance. hth

 

Moron..................don't they PREVENT future incidents? FFS................lay off the a$$ munching; it's rotting your brain.

 

 

Yes...you vet them as much as you can. How many more people do you need to tell you that the immigration ban did nothing to make us safer...and actually made us (and our people across the globe) less safe?

 

Yet another stupid argument with the metal detectors...where did you read that stupid talking point now?

 

Only a moron wouldn't get the analogy. Congrats.........

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Put your money where your mouth is. You want the illegals/immigrants to stay so you should help pay for them.

 

I pay my taxes. I donate to certain charities.

Then again...logic and actual relevant arguments are not your strong suit.

[Strike 6,021]

 

My wife I pay my taxes. My wife I donates to certain charities.

Then again...logic and actual relevant arguments are not your strong suit.

 

FYP.

[cyclone24 1,935]

 

Ok...lets hang on the legal visa holders part of this. Which other part do you want to focus on that made Trump look stupid.

Their entire argument to the court was basically...Trump is President...he can do this because he says so. Thats why they got bitchslapped by the court.

And part of why they have a chance to get it overturned if they make an actual argument as to why it is needed vs. because we said so....and because Obummer named these countries. That works in convincing the rubes...but not guys in robes who know the focking law.

The people in the robes? Is that why they had to take it to that specific Court? Give me a freaking break.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Moron..................don't they PREVENT future incidents? FFS................lay off the a$$ munching; it's rotting your brain.

 

 

Sure they do. And they were driven by past incidents. Many people have entered courtrooms with guns. If many people from those seven countries commit a terroristic act here in the states, I'll be all for Trump's little e/o. (as long as he's bright enough to exclude legal citizens this time, D'oh). Hell, maybe even ONE. But banning simply because you promised your base at the 500 rallies that you'd do something and now you don't want to look like an ass hole? Not happening. lol

 

Oh, and as for the ass munching...real good chance that'll be happening later tonight. Going to a happy hour with her after work. Sangria specials. She'll get buzzed and want that for sure.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

FYP.

 

You made it less accurate. But nice try.

[cyclone24 1,935]

Sure they do. And they were driven by past incidents. Many people have entered courtrooms with guns. If many people from those seven countries commit a terroristic act here in the states, I'll be all for Trump's little e/o. (as long as he's bright enough to exclude legal citizens this time, D'oh). Hell, maybe even ONE. But banning simply because you promised your base at the 500 rallies that you'd do something and now you don't want to look like an ass hole? Not happening. lol

 

Oh, and as for the ass munching...real good chance that'll be happening later tonight. Going to a happy hour with her after work. Sangria specials. She'll get buzzed and want that for sure.

I would rather you just said you want to take a retroactive approach to terrorism. That's essentially what you are advocating.

 

And again I don't know how you reconcile the fact we had about the same number of immigrant and Isis related mass killings in the United States in the last decade as we have had white male mass shootings. So clearly our vetting process and other countries processes are not very good.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The people in the robes? Is that why they had to take it to that specific Court? Give me a freaking break.

 

Give you a break? You should read up more on what happened that led that court to hear this appeal.

You seem to be quite ignorant of what actually happened.

The only one to blame here is Trump. He (and likely Bannon) rushed this thing through without input from DOJ, State, or Homeland Security. Did so with poor language...without real great legal standing. Then made a half assed argument during their appeal.

If he had taken the time...got Sessions actually involved and input from proper sources...he may have been able to get this through the right way. But he didn't.

 

Now...how will he proceed? Scrap it...start new with a proper EO going through the proper channels? I doubt it...that would make him admit his first attempt was wrong. IMO...he pushes forth with his stubborn ways and keeps fighting what may ultimately be a losing fight. Then...any attack, no matter who it is from...he will scream "I told you so" and the rubes will support any action he wants to take even more so out of ignorance and fear. Because the biggest tools he has right now is ignorance and fear from some. Logic, law, and facts don't seem to be on his side.

[NewbieJr 541]

I would rather you just said you want to take a retroactive approach to terrorism. That's essentially what you are advocating.

 

And again I don't know how you reconcile the fact we had about the same number of immigrant and Isis related mass killings in the United States in the last decade as we have had white male mass shootings. So clearly our vetting process and other countries processes are not very good.

Eliminate all those that have been done at the hands of people born here. Now it doesn't look so bad. What's Trump's plan with them? Those are the real threat. The angry, domestic Muslim that has either seeked out ISIS or been recruited by them. Like the Orlando shooter.

And yes, you don't discrimi9nate against an entire religion because you want to be proactive in case one day, someone from those countries actually does something. You continue vetting and doing what you can, while still abiding by the constitution and not discriminating.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Liberals going to the mat to let Muslims in. Funny.

[Baker Boy 1,710]

They are a new kind of stupid. They are not logical. They make no sense whatsoever. But they are going to have the media on their side, and that's the danger.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

They are a new kind of stupid. They are not logical. They make no sense whatsoever. But they are going to have the media on their side, and that's the danger.

They are contrarian to anything from the other side. Doesn't matter. Which makes them stupid. Emotions make you stupid.

[NewbieJr 541]

They are contrarian to anything from the other side. Doesn't matter. Which makes them stupid. Emotions make you stupid.

Do you believe we should be proactive and halt the sale of guns to prevent future deaths? Yes or no.

[MDC 7,887]

Repubtards wetting themselves over something that less likely to happen than getting struck by lightning, lolz

[drobeski 3,061]

Repubtards wetting themselves over something that less likely to happen than getting struck by lightning, lolz

weren't you at the woman's march?