They kneeled for the National Anthem and stood for the Brit anthem.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/24/alex-smith-trump-couldnt-condemn-violent-neo-nazis/amp/

[Joey Gladstone 33]

 

The ignorance of the movement has pushed the right further to the right. The left talks about injustice...where? Show us an example, you want to claim systemic racism, then show us. It is now your turn to produce the burden of proof. We generalize them as thugs, because they are uneducated on the matter, they have yet to show us anything to get behind. They have yet to bring forth a solution to their alleged problem. As far as LGBT in the military, I only refer to trannies as trannies, the rest of the gays are gays. But gender dysphoria is a medical condition, a mental medical condition, one that leads to a 40% suicide rate. It is not someone who should be serving on the front lines in the military, where PTSD cause so many more suicides daily than we can even grasp. I would like "trannies" to get help, mental help.

White people saying "derrr what racism?! I no see racism!"

[seafoam1 1,879]

 

You speak of the falseness of systemic racism while simultaneously spewing prejudice. Why does the irony not surprise me? Education level is irrelevant when labeling someone a thug. A thug by definition is a violent person and/or a criminal. "Tranny" is widely regarded as a derogatory and offensive term. And fyi, the burden of proof is out there. You just choose to turn a blind eye to it because it undermines your intolerant agenda.

Oh. So dumb... "The burdon of proof is not there but you turn a blind eye to it." Jeez. So dumb.

[seafoam1 1,879]

White people saying "derrr what racism?! I no see racism!"

Im white and I see a ton of racism from black people. Reginald Denny was 1992 but the prevailing attitude is still today.

[ralphster 274]

 

there are platforms where you demonstrate, and platforms where you dont. Almost everyone of us would be fired if we pulled this type of crap at our real jobs

Save that none of us are extremely skilled athletes making millions of dollars, and none of our employers play the national anthem each morning before we start work.

 

Any platform that garners the most possible attention is the best platform to demonstrate in. The whole "its ok just not here" arguement is crap. Almost as if those who share your thoughts expect these demonstrators to ask for your permission before kneeling.

 

If the country was as upset with ongoing issues as they were with anthem protests this would be over by now.

[ralphster 274]

and thug is the new n word

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Employees who have the right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

 

League and owners won't do squat. Nobody cares what the Dotard says.

They have zero freedom of speech on their employers premises wearing his uniform.

 

Go stage a protest at the fryolater at McDonalds and see how fast your ass gets canned.

[MudDawgs4Life 6]

Cool it with the name calling folks. If you want to sling childish insults at each other, exchange email addresses or phone numbers and do it directly.

Or become president

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

I am against both sides on this. Can't stand Kaepernick or Bennett and think they're probably as racist as the people they're protesting about. And Trump's statement's were so over-the-top ignorant that all he served to do was unite the movement and move it forward tenfold. Last Sunday, six players i the entiore league knelt during the anthem. It was basically a disappearing story. Yesterday, entire teams knelt. Ot never bothered coming out for the anthem at all. Trump just threw gasoline on the fire. Reignited their cause and made it 100 times bigger.

[ChinaCat 21]

 

One lone player broke rank and came out to stand for our anthem. Army veteran and o-lineman Alejandro Villanueva defied Tomlin's order.

 

A man that understands what the anthem actually represents and embraces the solemn respect it deserves. Someone who has seen firsthand the sacrifice involved in preserving freedom....always with hardship, and often with blood. A man who will not be party to this useless, divisive, disrespectful, baseless, and ridiculous fad.....even if he must stand alone.

 

Hat's off, sir. Hooah!

As they say. People who disrespect the flag have never been handed a folded one.

[ChinaCat 21]

At what point will you lock this thread Mike? Guess I'll have to protest causing you to lose all of your sponsors because you'll have one less consumer like the rest of the dummies who canceled their NFL ticket.

Typical. A liberal wants to halt the freedom of speech in a thread about freedom of speech.

 

 

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

Typical. A liberal wants to halt the freedom of speech in a thread about freedom of speech.

 

 

Isn't Trump a Republican? He seems to be the one with a freedom of speech issue. And all of his sheep.

[RoadLizard 73]

Love to see these thugs protest violence against women which is a "hobby" for most of these clowns. Or, drug use. Or a protest against performance enhancing substances. But...nah.... they'd rather pull this crap. The NFL is such a joke and they are so full of themselves. They dont matter as much as they think they do, thats for sure.

 

Spoiled brats. Most of them would be working at Taco Bell if it werent for football since its painfully obvious how dumb most of them are. Like...have you ever heard these guys actually speak? Its barely English and usually just mumbling.

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

Love to see these thugs protest violence against women which is a "hobby" for most of these clowns. Or, drug use. Or a protest against performance enhancing substances. But...nah.... they'd rather pull this crap. The NFL is such a joke and they are so full of themselves. They dont matter as much as they think they do, thats for sure.

 

Spoiled brats. Most of them would be working at Taco Bell if it werent for football since its painfully obvious how dumb most of them are. Like...have you ever heard these guys actually speak? Its barely English and usually just mumbling.

Your racist rant was awesome. Definitely a Trump voter. However, to say that 'most' NFL athletes are women beaters might be a bit over the top.

[RoadLizard 73]

Your racist rant was awesome. Definitely a Trump voter. However, to say that 'most' NFL athletes are women beaters might be a bit over the top.

Blah blah blah. The term "racist" is so over used and silly now that it doesnt even matter anymore. Try again. My post was valid and never mentioned race, did it? The NFL players are quite over-represented when it comes to domestic violence. This just in.

[Voltaire 4,563]

Keeping OJ in the HOF didn't bother you?

Letting Mike Vick back in the league didn't bother you?

Pouncey twins supporting Aaron Hernandez didn't bother you?

Burying concussion data for decades didn't bother you?

 

But now you're making your stand??

 

And doing so on a NFL-related board?

Those are all punches in the nose. This is pancreatic cancer.

[MudDawgs4Life 6]

I am against both sides on this. Can't stand Kaepernick or Bennett and think they're probably as racist as the people they're protesting about. And Trump's statement's were so over-the-top ignorant that all he served to do was unite the movement and move it forward tenfold. Last Sunday, six players i the entiore league knelt during the anthem. It was basically a disappearing story. Yesterday, entire teams knelt. Ot never bothered coming out for the anthem at all. Trump just threw gasoline on the fire. Reignited their cause and made it 100 times bigger.

 

This.

[ChinaCat 21]

The Left always hated the NFL. Until yesterday.

 

 

 

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2017/09/carr_president_instantly_sidelines_criticism_of_nfl

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

Blah blah blah. The term "racist" is so over used and silly now that it doesnt even matter anymore. Try again. My post was valid and never mentioned race, did it? The NFL players are quite over-represented when it comes to domestic violence. This just in.

I'd like to see stats that back that up. And yes, you will be called a racist when you run your mouth calling people thugs, saying 'most' abuse their women, and point out how dumb they are. Only thing missing is the white hood.

[ChinaCat 21]

I'd like to see stats that back that up. And yes, you will be called a racist when you run your mouth calling people thugs, saying 'most' abuse their women, and point out how dumb they are. Only thing missing is the white hood.

Why is the word thug racist?

[IMMensaMind 459]

wait they think that there is inherent discrimination in the US so they don't stand for the anthem

 

but then they show how educated they are while standing for God Save the Queen

 

hate to break it to you people but that is hypocrisy at its finest

Oh, they're not educated enough on the topic to even realize that they're hypocrites. Wait until marching orders come down from the prog braintrust behind this movement if your point becomes commonly discussed. We, after all, inherited slavery from England.

 

I agree with your sentiment though, and what it shows you is that the vast majority of the skulls of mush who think they're protesting the right thing by kneeling for the Anthem or Pledge are easily brainwashed and misinformed.

 

These same people claim that they want #unity. The hashtag is all over Twitter; nearly exclusively used by those following an agenda which is anything but.

 

So tell me, people, what symbol better represents what is supposed to unify us than the US Flag? And what better way to demonstrate that #unity than to all honor that which binds us?

 

The Flag stands for the ideals of this country; not for the injustices perpetrated in its name. It stands for the country which overcame slavery. It doesn't stand for human weaknesses and shortcomings; it stands for that to which we should aspire. If you cannot support and defend the ideals of this country, then you are no legitimate citizen of this country. The Oath of Citizenship could not be more plain in this regard.

 

Why, then, kneel and disrespect the very thing that grants one the right to disrespect it?. Further, how could you possibly expect to be able to do so without drawing wrath from all corners, including the figurehead of this country himself?

 

I'll tell you why, but many are not going to like the answer. Most of those kneeling would be swayed by this argument, if their hearts and minds were open. Some will not accept it because they've already been hardened to the argument; hardened by the propaganda which has set their biases.

 

What many are not going to like to hear is that the component of this movement which forms the conscious strategy is agenda-driven politics, and it is broad and deep; affecting our culture in nearly every way. It is the cause of the constant assault on our core values while it harnesses the hot topics of the day and the next aggrieved special interest group. It is purely political, and it has co-opted a whole lot of people who are not nearly sufficiently educated. The underlying purpose of this movement is anti-American; globalist; communist/socialist - however you want to characterize it, it is a political movement whose fundamental precepts do not gel with the Constitution. It is the thing of Alinsky; the thing of Soros. It is an agenda which seeks to eliminate national autonomy; to erase borders.

 

It is manifest in Khrushchev's words, which i believe he uttered in 1957: "we do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within". What is happening now is what he meant. He knew that he could insert the collectivist ideology into our country, and it would take root like weeds and choke out individualism and liberty.

 

These chickens are now coming home to roost; the infection has broken through the skin; the cancer has metastasized - whatever analogy you wish to use is appropriate. This collectivist illness and grievance culture has broken through. No movement is comprised strictly of fully aware and knowledgeable people. Most are driven by propaganda, and the useful idiots/lemmings comprise the majority of the school of fish.

 

And right now, fishin's good.

 

These people have lost their way. They've lost what it really means to be American; they've been taught over a very long period of time that there are injustices all around them, and the US is largely to blame. That they "didn't built that". They have lost their patriotism - if they were ever in possession of it with which to begin - because they've been taught to be equal parts ashamed to be American and resentful that America is "unfair".

 

The flag is only the scapegoat. By disrespecting the flag, we are disrespecting each other. We are saying that we don't want anything to tie us together. We've been on that road for a very long time, and now it is hitting the fan. There are two diametrically opposed ideologies attempting to cohabit, and they are not able to do so.

 

Those who claim they wish to be #unified - that they abhor divisive speech - are and have been engaging in subterfuge, most without even being aware of it.

[Antiramie 50]

The players have every right to kneel, just like the owners have every right to punish them for doing so (which they're choosing not to). /thread

 

But as some of you have clearly demonstrated with your diction and tone, this isn't a freedom of speech issue but a platform to try and garner support for your hate-filled racism. Please boycott the NFL and take your prejudice to a more close-minded forum.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Isn't Trump a Republican? He seems to be the one with a freedom of speech issue. And all of his sheep.

 

I'm not sure how you can legitimately conclude this. He's not suggesting that the players be thrown in jail for saying something.

 

He said that it would be nice if an NFL owner stood up and told his employee to stand up or be fired. He said it because he knows that a huge swath of the country agrees, and they are people who would tend to vote for someone who feels likewise. It's part of why he got elected.

 

In so doing, he was engaging in his own free speech. As we can see - from both perspectives - just because someone can say or do something does not mean that they should. These players, in protesting the flag, decided to pick a fight with their own fans.

 

That's monumentally stupid - unless their concern isn't their employer, or their own fans, but their political ideology. Then, it's just irresponsible, but does directly challenge the hegemony of the NFL. Whose ideology is going to triumph here? The Americana which was traditionally found in the sport of football? Apple pie, hotdogs, and Sunday Football?

 

The Constitution's declaration in the 1st Amendment doesn't forbid an employer from acting if the employee engages in behaviour that is considered detrimental to the employer.

 

The actions of these players is clearly detrimental. Politics has been brought into sports by the players; not the President. This is a bored which discusses that which happens in football. And this certainly happened, and - because it is an attack on our flag - Trump was compelled to address it.

 

Obama wouldn't have. We know why.

[Eddie Kennison 12]

I cancelled my Center Ice.

 

 

Oh wait, I never focking had it and had to Google what they called it

[Antiramie 50]

Mensa is Alex Jones confirmed. JFC you are out of touch with reality.

[IMMensaMind 459]

The players have every right to kneel, just like the owners have every right to punish them for doing so (which they're choosing not to). /thread

But as some of you have clearly demonstrated with your diction and tone, this isn't a freedom of speech issue but a platform to try and garner support for your hate-filled racism. Please boycott the NFL and take your prejudice to a more close-minded forum.

I haven't read most of the thread, but you think some in here is pushing racism? Is it fair to declare yourself the open-minded one with only general insinuations - and declare others 'racists' the same way - or would it more fair to take on this racism on a post-by-post basis?

 

I find that those who cannot call out the racists by name aren't as much interested in stomping out racists as they are stomping out all arguments which oppose their general position.

 

That said, it doesn't appear that I'm one of them. I agree with your first sentence. That also said, it isn't a /thread issue. There is, as Voltaire has pointed out, a cancerous underpinning to this which is a clear threat to America's unity. How can "united we stand" if we're not united?

 

And - by united - I mean at least find commonality with the Flag?

[IGotWorms 3,315]

I am against both sides on this. Can't stand Kaepernick or Bennett and think they're probably as racist as the people they're protesting about. And Trump's statement's were so over-the-top ignorant that all he served to do was unite the movement and move it forward tenfold. Last Sunday, six players i the entiore league knelt during the anthem. It was basically a disappearing story. Yesterday, entire teams knelt. Ot never bothered coming out for the anthem at all. Trump just threw gasoline on the fire. Reignited their cause and made it 100 times bigger.

And that was purposeful.

 

He needs the racists inflamed and motivated.

 

It's how he "won" the presidency and it's how he "governs."

 

Nothing gets the racists going like BLM etc., so he fanned the flames.

[Antiramie 50]

Ive already quoted the terms considered racist/sexist. So go back and search for the posters that used them and you have your answer. I don't need to spell everything out for you. But you'd rather use every excuse in the book to avoid the obvious.

 

And yes, freedom of speech is very much a cut and dry, /thread issue. You either believe in the Consitution of the United States or you don't. Utilizing your 1st Amendment rights in no way undermines this country.

[Eddie Kennison 12]

FFToday board is looking more and more like a Stormfront board. The lack of racial sensitivity illustrated here is pathetic. People using their platform to create change and demand equality is not disrespectful to the flag. That's not what this is about. Don't forget, this is about police brutality and loss of lives.

 

People really need to make the effort to step outside of their comfort zones and empathize with folks of all ethnic groups and issues they face instead of getting angry because everyone doesn't "get with the program."

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

And that was purposeful.

 

He needs the racists inflamed and motivated.

 

It's how he "won" the presidency and it's how he "governs."

 

Nothing gets the racists going like BLM etc., so he fanned the flames.

It's incredible how he comes out harder against a half-dozen black guys peacefully kneeling before a football game than he did against white supremacists beating people with clubs and screaming Nazi chants. Welcome to Trump's America.

[IMMensaMind 459]

A lesson from Buzz Williams to his players. Instead of allowing these players to demonstrate a "show of unity", here's what each team should have done:

 

[Antiramie 50]

FFToday board is looking more and more like a Stormfront board. The lack of racial sensitivity illustrated here is pathetic. People using their platform to create change and demand equality is not disrespectful to the flag. That's not what this is about. Don't forget, this is about police brutality and loss of lives.

 

People really need to make the effort to step outside of their comfort zones and empathize with folks of all ethnic groups and issues they face instead of getting angry because everyone doesn't "get with the program."

You're speaking of people who misguidedly think their racism and unconditional nationalism is the majority opinion in this country. Many of those same people are experiencing civil rights protests (this, BLM, etc) for the first time in their life. It's a natural reaction to denounce those protests with false reasoning. Remember "Fear is a stinky cologne".

[LOD01 191]

I am against both sides on this. Can't stand Kaepernick or Bennett and think they're probably as racist as the people they're protesting about. And Trump's statement's were so over-the-top ignorant that all he served to do was unite the movement and move it forward tenfold. Last Sunday, six players i the entiore league knelt during the anthem. It was basically a disappearing story. Yesterday, entire teams knelt. Ot never bothered coming out for the anthem at all. Trump just threw gasoline on the fire. Reignited their cause and made it 100 times bigger.

 

Yep. K-Stink created this whole mess and Trump threw some gas on it right as the flame was burning out. How about both go away and we call it even.

[stonewall 647]

Disturbing to see so many people referring to our flag as "a piece of cloth".

 

Apparently, many have no idea how many thousands of gallons of blood have been spilled to keep her aloft, including on the night of Sept. 14, 1814, the night our national anthem was penned. Francis Scott Key witnessed the British naval bombardment of Fort McHenry, as he was being detained aboard a British ship, while trying to negotiate the release of a captured Washington doctor named Beanes. That foggy/rainy night, the Fort was pounded with 1,800 bombs, rockets, and shells...400 of them landing inside. When dawn arrived, Key fully expected to see the Fort destroyed and the soldiers inside either dead or retreated. Instead, he saw the battered and tattered flag still aloft, waving defiantly. He was so shocked and moved by the tenacity and courage of these soldiers in the name of freedom, that he penned the words to our anthem on an envelope. He and the prisoners were sent ashore, and the British fleet withdrew.

 

Here is the actual flag that would not be furled that fateful night:

 

https://www.si.edu/encyclopedia_si/nmah/images/banner.jpg

[IMMensaMind 459]

Mensa is Alex Jones confirmed. JFC you are out of touch with reality.

Who? The loon conspiracist? What does what I wrote have to do with him?

 

If you need to instantly resort to ad hominems, you shouldn't have written anything at all. You are not debating; you're trying to shut up those with whom you disagree.

 

Which doesn't harm my initial claim that those who cry racism so readily do it not so much because they actually see racism, but that they want to shut up opposing viewpoints.

[Jesus Chrysler 29]

A lesson from Buzz Williams to his players. Instead of allowing these players to demonstrate a "show of unity", here's what each team should have done:

 

I've seen that video and like what Williams did. Still is irrelevant to the NFL's situation. Trump needs better advisors. Or, he just needs to start listening to the ones he has. He couldn't have possibly done more to further the players' movement on this. This was dying out. Only 6 players in the entire league knelt last week. Trump can't seem to get out of his own way.

[IMMensaMind 459]

You're speaking of people who misguidedly think their racism and unconditional nationalism is the majority opinion in this country. Many of those same people are experiencing civil rights protests (this, BLM, etc) for the first time in their life. It's a natural reaction to denounce those protests with false reasoning. Remember "Fear is a stinky cologne".

You seem to presume that you speak for so many. You don't seem to have any problem at all claiming that there are zillions of racists, and also characterize their 'nationalism' as binary. Both points are asinine; the first demonstrably: if there were as many racists as you claim, Obama would never have been elected.

 

As for specifics: I, for one, grew up in the inner city of Milwaukee. You think this is the first time I've been exposed to civil rights protests? You - once again - are lumping large swaths of people together while simultaneously attempting to call them an inconsequential minority.

 

You're not debating honestly. You're debating with ad homs and avoiding the real central issues I cite regarding the purpose of protesting a flag.

 

Race has absolutely nothing to do with it, and I feel exactly the same about players of any color engaging in it.

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

People in this country are nuts. Under Obama's administration, Canadian fans were protesting the American National anthem during Hockey games, people in this country bashed them. Now, under Trump, we're doing it ourselves.

 

People are too emotional today. Not enough logic. Everyone is a victim anymore. Give me a break.

[Antiramie 50]

A lesson from Buzz Williams to his players. Instead of allowing these players to demonstrate a "show of unity", here's what each team should have done:

 

You are preaching that these protests undermine the fabric of unity that is woven into the American flag while at the same time stating that there is a right and wrong way of protesting. These protests aren't meant to make you comfortable. They're meant to force open people's eyes to things they wouldn't normally be subjected to.

 

What you are so blind to is that the American flag stands for exactly what these players are doing, having every right/freedom to express themselves and the injustices they feel are being inflicted to specific groups. The only people I see trying to undermine anyone is people like you.

[Antiramie 50]

Mensa, when there is racial motivation to denounce a movement, it's fair to call those people racists. It's not an ad-hominem. It's critical reasoning.

 

This thread was literally started with racist, ad-hominem attacks in it...not by me. Take your double talk and mental hoops elsewhere.

 

This thread could have easily been concluded with a couple yes/no questions. Do the players have a right to protest? Do the owners have a right to not punish them?

/thread

 

Every other argument mentioned is irrelevant.