Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted January 27, 2019 need to find someone to go to war with....they good as any I suppose I hope this is just focking around. I would expect a R to be so flippant about war and sacrificing American soldiers lives Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 27, 2019 I hope this is just focking around. I would expect a R to be so flippant about war and sacrificing American soldiers lives This war is inevitable. Its been our playbook for years now. They have oil and we want it. The timing of Maduro is perfect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,643 Posted January 27, 2019 If you add up every place I ever worked at in my career as a pipefitter and figured the one place I worked the most, it would by far be the Citgo refinery in IL, owned by the Venezuelan gov aka Hugo Chavez. It's weird being so tied to a company owned by Ven. Hehe 'pipefitter'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted January 27, 2019 This war is inevitable. Its been our playbook for years now. They have oil and we want it. The timing of Maduro is perfect.Riiiight. Bust out the ol R terminology. War is inevitable, even if this country poses no real additional threat to us. American military lives will be lost in any war, regardless of how small it seems. Maybe try hiding how willing you are to sacrifice someone else's life? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted January 27, 2019 Are some of you so focking dumb you think we are going to war with Venezuela, over oil? I have seen it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted January 27, 2019 Are some of you so focking dumb you think we are going to war with Venezuela, over oil? I have seen it all. We are not Going to war with Ven. Idk what 90s is talking about since our home grown reserves are pretty substantial. The days of fabricating Wars for the purpose of gaining access to oil for the US are over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted January 27, 2019 So if Trump supports the new guy, who do the democrats support? And more importantly, how can they blame this on Trump? The standard political playbook is if you can't support one side because it would be siding with Trump and you can't support the other side because it will be siding with Putin, then you just pick neither and criticize Trump for his handling of the situation. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 27, 2019 Are some of you so focking dumb you think we are going to war with Venezuela, over oil? I have seen it all. If war between the US and Venezuela happened what other purpose would there be? To liberate people? That seems like a waste of time. Just seems like its getting more and more tense down there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 27, 2019 The days of fabricating Wars for the purpose of gaining access to oil for the US are over. Why though? Honestly curious... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted January 27, 2019 Why though? Honestly curious... Because it's public knowledge how much oil lies below US territories. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,656 Posted January 27, 2019 I hope this is just focking around. I would expect a R to be so flippant about war and sacrificing American soldiers lives Why do you claim that stupid wars are just an R thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,044 Posted January 27, 2019 It's crazy to me that anyone would even want to run that country. They socialized themselves back into the 1700's. You have to rebuild the whole nation from scratch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted January 27, 2019 It's crazy to me that anyone would even want to run that country. They socialized themselves back into the 1700's. You have to rebuild the whole nation from scratch. Problem is, as long as the US has people like MDC and tantastic in it (actually, they are the same but it's still bad) the idea of socialism stays alive. It's tough not being able to get that out of the picture of our future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted January 27, 2019 Why do you claim that stupid wars are just an R thing? More often than not, it's an R who wants war over a D. I have seen it before on this board. I actually think the last time I talked about this was when Venezuela was brought up. The people who didn't seem to mind going to war again were the Rs. I'm not going back to find the thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 27, 2019 Well I think it's really great that our apparent big Time Ally Russia has sent Russian nuclear bombers to Venezuela. You know, for all you Russia is our friend! Types. http://time.com/5478644/venezuela-russian-bombers/ maybe they just want a little more flexibility, or some uranium, or a reset button? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,656 Posted January 27, 2019 More often than not, it's an R who wants war over a D. I have seen it before on this board. I actually think the last time I talked about this was when Venezuela was brought up. The people who didn't seem to mind going to war again were the Rs. I'm not going back to find the thread. That settles it then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted January 27, 2019 That settles it then. Pretty much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,656 Posted January 27, 2019 Anyhow, seeing as it's generally people 35 and under that fight wars, I wouldn't count on us getting into any significant ones any time soon. We can all admit that that age group right now isn't up to it. We're going to either have to send immigrants or wait until we perfect robots. Man boobs and dirty beards aren't a good look for a countries military. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 27, 2019 Because it's public knowledge how much oil lies below US territories. So? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 27, 2019 Im honestly curious what other reason would there be to go there than for oil? Just to liberate people? Just seems like a big waste of resources if we arent going to either get control of something that will eventually make us profit or controlling more territory? Probably the same crowd that bought the weapons of mass destruction line. Would like to get answer from HT or Filthy or one of the other righties here because I honestly dont know thats the only benefit I can see making sense. Im not asking these questions rhetorically I honestly dont know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted January 27, 2019 So? So you think we should sacrifice American lives just to gain even more oil? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted January 27, 2019 It's easy to desire war when you don't consider men losing their lives as significant. It's pretty sad that people can toss aside life so easy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 27, 2019 It's easy to desire war when you don't consider men losing their lives as significant. It's pretty sad that people can toss aside life so easy I never said I desired it. Not once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,643 Posted January 27, 2019 If we went to war with Venezuela, it would be for regional stability. We're already seeing what instability in Honduras and other places in Central America brings us. Amass Venezuelan boat lift is the last thing we need. Not to mention Brazil in Venezuela would most likely go head-to-head with Brazil massively winning. But with the region massively losing. We've been ignoring the shitshow on a doorstep 4 decades now. Actually, even longer. But at some point, we're going to have to clean house all the way from Mexico City to Patagonia. Beyond regional instability, we have to worry about Russia or China getting a foothold or more this close to us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,521 Posted January 27, 2019 If we went to war with Venezuela, it would be for regional stability. We're already seeing what instability in Honduras and other places in Central America brings us. Amass Venezuelan boat lift is the last thing we need. Not to mention Brazil in Venezuela would most likely go head-to-head with Brazil massively winning. But with the region massively losing. We've been ignoring the shitshow on a doorstep 4 decades now. Actually, even longer. But at some point, we're going to have to clean house all the way from Mexico City to Patagonia. Beyond regional instability, we have to worry about Russia or China getting a foothold or more this close to us. The Democrats would never allow any of that to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,643 Posted January 27, 2019 The Democrats would never allow any of that to happen. See; First word of post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,485 Posted January 27, 2019 This war is inevitable. Its been our playbook for years now. They have oil and we want it. The timing of Maduro is perfect. We don’t need it. The USA is the leading producer of oil and we are exporting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,656 Posted January 27, 2019 Can you imagine the fattest generation fighting a real war, led by the likes of Major Digby? France would laugh at us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,643 Posted January 27, 2019 The next War, half of our so-called fighters will be sitting in Jacksonville Manning the controls for a drone. The only way foreign enemy can defeat us is if they get lucky and blow up the hot pockets factory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,206 Posted January 27, 2019 The next War, half of our so-called fighters will be sitting in Jacksonville Manning the controls for a drone. The only way foreign enemy can defeat us is if they get lucky and blow up the hot pockets factory. Ender's Game, great book and pretty prescient. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted January 28, 2019 The Democrats would never allow any of that to happen. Good. There is zero reason for us to be involved in South America. If the last 50 years of foreign policy has taught us anything, it is that war to stabilize doesn't work. Now I am 100% in favor of enforcing the monroe doctrine. China, russia, and anyone else shall have zero influence in the Western hemisphere. That is worth going to war for if need be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,643 Posted January 28, 2019 Totally support the War On Vuvuzuelas. God those things were annoying during the World Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,656 Posted January 28, 2019 Good. There is zero reason for us to be involved in South America. If the last 50 years of foreign policy has taught us anything, it is that war to stabilize doesn't work. Now I am 100% in favor of enforcing the monroe doctrine. China, russia, and anyone else shall have zero influence in the Western hemisphere. That is worth going to war for if need be. You're disagreeing with yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted January 28, 2019 You're disagreeing with yourself.I meant at present there is zero reason. Venezualas sh!t show is not our concern. If a hostile power attemps to gain footholds in the region in the future, that may end up being a proper casus belli, in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,643 Posted January 28, 2019 Given the Heeb loving nature of this WH, odds much better we do Israel's bidding in Iran rather than go into Venezuela. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,656 Posted January 28, 2019 I meant at present there is zero reason. Venezualas sh!t show is not our concern. If a hostile power attemps to gain footholds in the region in the future, that may end up being a proper casus belli, in the future. It has been reported that Russian "mercinaries" have gone to Venezuela to protect Maduro. Of course Russia denies this. As if Russia would ever allow mercinaries to exist in the first place. If Russians are there, Putin ordered it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,643 Posted January 28, 2019 It has been reported that Russian "mercinaries" have gone to Venezuela to protect Maduro. Of course Russia denies this. As if Russia would ever allow mercinaries to exist in the first place. If Russians are there, Putin ordered it. There were "mercs" in Ukraine. No Russian insignia, but everybody knew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,656 Posted January 28, 2019 There were "mercs" in Ukraine. No Russian insignia, but everybody knew. Exactly. It's a joke but Russia DGAF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 994 Posted January 28, 2019 Maduro should have been taken care of already. This was Obama's job. I voted twice for the guy but he failed on a lot of levels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,643 Posted January 28, 2019 Maduro should have been taken care of already. This was Obama's job. I voted twice for the guy but he failed on a lot of levels. Wait, you voted for madero twice and you're complaining that Obama didn't take him out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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